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Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-)
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Good, if somewhat biased, article on the furor:

Heather MacDonald

Feminists Get Hysterical
First it was Harvard vs. Summers—and now Estrich vs. Kinsley. | 24 February 2005




Gee thanks, Susan. Political pundit Susan Estrich has launched a venomous campaign (links here and here and here) against the Los Angeles Times’s op-ed editor, Michael Kinsley, for alleged discrimination against female writers. As it happens, I have published in the Los Angeles Times op-ed pages over the years, without worrying too much about whether I was merely filling a gender quota. Now, however, if I appear in the Times again, I will assume that my sex characteristics, rather than my ideas, got me accepted.

Estrich’s insane ravings against the Times cap a month that left one wondering whether the entry of women into the intellectual and political arena has been an unqualified boon. In January, nearly the entire female professoriate at Harvard (and many of their feminized male colleagues) rose up in outrage at the mere suggestion of an open discussion about a scientific hypothesis. That hypothesis, of course, concerned the possibly unequal distribution of cognitive skills across the male and female populations. Harvard President Larry Summers had had the temerity to suggest that the continuing preponderance of men in scientific fields, despite decades of vigorous gender equity initiatives in schools and universities, may reflect something other than sexism. It might reflect the fact, Summers hypothesized, that the male population has a higher percentage of mathematical geniuses (and mathematical dolts) than the female population, in which mathematical reasoning skills may be more evenly distributed.

A feminist gadfly in the audience, MIT biology professor Nancy Hopkins, infamously reported that she avoided fainting or vomiting at Summers’s remarks only by running from the room. And with that remarkable expression of science-phobia, a great feminist vendetta was launched. It has reduced Summers to a toadying appeaser who has promised to atone for his sins with ever more unforgiving diversity initiatives (read: gender quotas) in the sciences. But the damage will not be limited to Harvard. Summers’s scourging means that, from now on, no one in power will stray from official propaganda to explain why women are not proportionally represented in every profession.

The Harvard rationality rout was a mere warm-up, however, to the spectacle unfolding in Los Angeles, brought to light by the upstart newspaper, the D.C. Examiner. USC law professor, Fox News commentator, and former Dukakis presidential campaign chairman Susan Estrich has come out as a snarling bitch in response to L.A. Times’s editor Michael Kinsley’s unwillingness to be blackmailed. Estrich had demanded that Kinsley run a manifesto signed by several dozen women preposterously accusing him of refusing to publish females. When Kinsley declined, while offering Estrich the opportunity to write a critique of the Times in a few weeks, Estrich sunk to the lowest rung imaginable: playing Kinsley’s struggle with Parkinson’s disease against him. Said Estrich: Your refusal to bend to my demands “underscores the question I've been asked repeatedly in recent days, and that does worry me, and should worry you: people are beginning to think that your illness may have affected your brain, your judgment, and your ability to do this job.”

It is curious how feminists, when crossed, turn into shrill, hysterical harpies—or, in the case of MIT’s Nancy Hopkins, delicate flowers who collapse at the slightest provocation—precisely the images of women that they claim patriarchal sexists have fabricated to keep them down. Actually, Estrich’s hissy fit is more histrionic than anything the most bitter misogynist could come up with on his own. Witness her faux remorse at engaging in blackmail: “I really do hate to be doing this. I counted e-mail after e-mail that I sent and was totally ignored. I can’t tell you how much I wanted to help quietly. If this is what it takes, so be it.” Witness too her self-pitying amour propre: “You owe me an apology. NO one tried harder to educate you about Los Angeles, introduce you to key players in the city, bring to your attention, quietly, the issues of gender inequality than I did—and you have the arrogance and audacity to say that you couldn’t be bothered reading my emails.” Add to that her petty insults: “if you prefer me to conduct this discussion outside your pages . . . that makes you look even more afraid and more foolish.” And finally, mix in shameless self-promotion: “I hope [this current crusade is] a lesson in how you can make change happen if you’re willing to stand up to people who call you names, and reach out to other women, and not get scared and back down. If you recall, I wrote a book about that, called Sex and Power. It’s what I have spent my whole life doing.”

Selective quotation cannot do justice to Estrich’s rants. But their underlying substance is as irrational as their tone. Estrich lodges the standard charge in all fake discrimination charges: the absence of proportional representation in any field is conclusive proof of bias. Determining the supply of qualified candidates is wholly unnecessary.

For the last three years, Estrich’s female law students at USC have been counting the number of female writers on the Los Angeles Times op-ed pages (and she complains that there aren’t more female policy writers? Suggestion to Estrich: how about having your students master a subject rather than count beans.). She provides only selective tallies of the results: “TWENTY FOUR MEN AND ONE WOMAN IN A THREE DAY PERIOD [caps in original]” (she does not explain how she chose that three-day period or whether it was representative); “THIRTEEN MEN AND NO WOMEN” as authors of pieces on Iraq.

Several questions present themselves: how many pieces by women that met the Times’s standards were offered during these periods? What is the ratio of men to women among experts on Iraq? Estrich never bothers to ask these questions, because for the radical feminist, being a woman is qualification enough for any topic. Any female is qualified to write on Iraq, for example, because in so doing, she is providing THE FEMALE PERSPECTIVE. (This belief in the essential difference between male and female “voices,” of course, utterly contradicts the premise of the anti-Larry Summers crusade.) Thus, to buttress her claim that Kinsley “refuses” to publish women, Estrich merely provides a few examples of women whose offerings have been rejected: “Carla Sanger . . . tells me she can't get a piece in; I have women writing to me who have submitted four piece [sic] and not gotten the courtesy of a call—and they teach gender studies at UCLA. . . .” It goes without saying, without further examination, that each of those writers deserved to be published—especially, for heaven’s sakes, the gender studies professors!

Self-centered? Thin-skinned? Takes things personally? Misogynist tropes that sum up Estrich to a T. It is the fate of probably 98 percent of all op-ed hopefuls to have their work silently rejected, without the “courtesy of a call.” But when a woman experiences the silent treatment, it’s because of sexism. Similarly, it is the fate of most e-mail correspondence to editors to be ignored. But when Estrich’s e-mails are ignored (“I sent e-mails to my old friends at the Times. Neither time did they even bother to respond.”), it’s because the editor is a chauvinist pig.

The assumption that being female obviates the need for any further examination into one’s qualifications allows Estrich to sidestep the most fundamental question raised by her crusade: Why should anyone care what the proportion of female writers is on an op-ed page? If an analysis is strong, it should make no difference what its author’s sex is. But for Estrich, it is an article of faith that female representation matters: “What could be more important—or easier for that matter—than ensuring that women's voices are heard in public discourse in our community?” Her embedded question—“or easier for that matter?”— is quickly answered. She is right: Nothing is easier than ensuring that “women’s voices” are heard; simply set up a quota and publish whatever comes across your desk. But as for why it is of paramount importance to get the “women’s” perspective on farm subsidies or OPEC price manipulations, Estrich does not say.

She provides a clue to her thinking, however. For Estrich, apparently, having a “woman’s voice” means being left-wing. She blasts the Times for publishing an article by Charlotte Allen on the decline of female public intellectuals such as Susan Sontag. Allen had argued that too many women writers today specialize in being female, rather than addressing the broader range of issues covered by their male counterparts. For Estrich, this argument performs a magical sex change on Allen, turning her into a male. After sneering at Allen’s article and her affiliation with the “Independent Women's Forum which is a group of right-wing women who exist to get on TV,” Estrich concludes: “the voices of women . . . are [not] found within a thousand miles” of the Los Angeles Times.

In other words, Allen’s is not a “voice of a woman” because she criticizes radical feminism. Estrich does not disclose if she conducted this sex change operation on all conservative women when compiling her phony statistics on the proportion of female writers on the op-ed page.

“Women’s liberation,” for the radical feminists, means liberation to think like a robot, mindlessly following the dictates of the victimologists. But if all bona fide women think alike, then publishing one female writer every year or so should suffice, since we know in advance what she will say.

Depressingly, Estrich’s crusade, no matter how bogus, will undoubtedly bear fruit. Anyone in a position of power today, facing accusations of bias and the knowledge that people are using crude numerical measures to prove his bias, will inevitably start counting beans himself, whether consciously or not. Michael Kinsley could reassure every female writer out there that Estrich has not cowed him by publishing only men for the next six months. It would be an impressive rebuff to Estrich’s blackmail. I’ll happily forgo the opportunity to appear in the Times for a while in order to get my pride back.
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I'll say it again:

"Here's some things I like about women:

-the way her pony tail bounces up and down when she is running.
-the way she cocks her head and uses her hands to put her earrings on.
-the way my bathroom smells after she's done getting ready to go out.

Here's some things I don't like about women:

-the fact that she's the spawn of the devil.
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Slowguy

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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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So, I'm counting you in the "yes" camp on this one? ;-)



T.
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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The shopping thing alone proves that we are different.

We buy, they shop. Plus they are infinitely more maniacal with their "Does this make me look fat?" questions. I live in constant fear I'll get asked that.
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [Tridiot] [ In reply to ]
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My wife hits me with that one all the time. I just say "thank you" ;-) Then I run away as fast as I can.

T.

P.S. NEVER, EVER discuss weight, appearance or age with a woman. EVER.
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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 I agree with Heather, the fact that Eldrich and the other woman that ran away from the conference have to act like emotional idiots just confirm what most people believe about women: "too emotional to do the job". Can't a professional woman wait until the question and answer part of the conference to ask the guy questions and refute his position? She had to run out to avoid vomiting? Give me a break! I would have waited and then given him something to think about. Besides we may not be wired differently but we have a different cocktail mix of hormones to deal with everyday, that is enough to makes us different.

I do not consider my self a feminist because of what these women do, whenever they open their mouth they just sound like they hate men...everything is a man's fault, what a load of crap. I could say that it is my husband's fault that I married and not finished college (got pregnant before I could start school again after getting married) but I am not doing that. It was my choice to be a stay home mom until now, and with his support I'm now back in school at 40. We all make choices and have to live with them without blaming others but these women would rather blame men for women choosing family over work. And lets face it, that is the reason many women can't climb the professional ladder faster, they choose their kids over their job.



Diana ;')

Hook'em!
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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For the life of me I can't figure out why feminists reject the idea of men and women being different. Different doesn't equal wrong or bad, just different.
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I have never been with a woman, so I can't comment. But thanks for the links.


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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Well, I don't care to read that whole article that you copy/pasted. BTW, is that article not copyrighted?

I'd hate to see you serving up to 5 years and paying the $250,000.00 fine for copyright infringement.



BUT... To comment on you subject line... I thought harvard was a bastion of free thought? Apparently not. Same issue as the Hoppe case a while back.
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [maybourne] [ In reply to ]
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I took it from a hyperlink. Imputed permission was derived from the original posters :-)

Harvard's a bastion of thought, though I don't know how "free" that that thought is, nowadays.

Tony
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Our society is Sooooo screwed. [ In reply to ]
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On one hand we have a plethora of people "trying to be different". Purple hair, tattoo's, scarring, different cloth's and on and on and on. OTOH simply mention the idea that people are different and someone fly's off the handle.

This is certainly not rocket science. Men and women are different and thank (enter you're deity or belief system or lack thereoff here).

As someone mentioned different is not necessarily better or worse. The older I get the more I celebrate differences. It is these differences that create the strength that allows us to learn and grow as a society...IMHO.

I just don't get it. How can anyone say that women and men aren't different?

Too add more fuel to fire since it is, IMO, without doubt that men and women are different does it not make sense that men and women are more or less suited to different occupations?

Again to me completely obvious.

~Matt
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Well, I would suggest that they aren't genetically wired differently, but we are socialized differently to be sure.

In 2005 and the two decades prior the process of socialization for females has become a confusing one. There are a lot of confusing and conflicting roles and expectations. If the female fails at any one of them, it may compromise their self image, resulting in a host of bizarre behavioral manifestations.

figuring out female behaviopr may be tough, but figuring out my own is much more difficult and more pressing....

Tom Demerly
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Well, I would suggest that they aren't genetically wired differently, but we are socialized differently to be sure.

Ludicrous.








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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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" Well, I would suggest that they aren't genetically wired differently"

I think that we are actually genetically wired different. In fact I'm nearly 100% sure of it.

A few years back I saw an intersting documentary on Discovery channel, and youknow if it's on TV it must be true. The one thing that stood out in my mind is they took a group of infants and put them in front of a screen with a "pull switch", like that on the old lamps and lights. Each time that the child pulled on the string the picture changed. After the child "Learned" this little trick they suddenly shut the picture off after one of the pulls. In a majority of the cases the female infants would pull a couple times and start crying. Also in a majority of the case the male children would continue to pull harder and harder and for a much longer period than the female children and breaking down at a much later stage.

Certainly not the end all to be all type of test but maybe an indicator that there are definate mental difference even at an age before societal impacts are possible.

If I rememebr right it was a series called "Brain Sex" very interesting and pretty much laid the case that we are "genetically wired differently"

~Matt
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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I would suggest that they aren't genetically wired differently, but we are socialized differently to be sure.


I bet genetics and socialization both play a role...



An aside on the Harvard affair... Summer's comments really had very little backing in evidence, and they were a really dumb thing to say. I support free speech, and I think there was some overreaction, but freedom of speech doesnt mean he shouldn't have been criticized for making dumbass comments.

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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [jhc] [ In reply to ]
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"An aside on the Harvard affair... Summer's comments really had very little backing in evidence, and they were a really dumb thing to say. I support free speech, and I think there was some overreaction, but freedom of speech doesnt mean he shouldn't have been criticized for making dumbass comments."

My understanding of the situation was that they were in a brainstorming type of atmosphere, with a non-attribution policy to ensure no one would be afraid to say something a little iffy. Summer apparently prefaced his remarks by saying he was going to throw something out there that was out of the box, and maybe would offend some people, so they would all be prepared. Then his staement was phrased in the form of a question, not a statment. I really don't see the problem except that he didn't know his audience was such a bunch of pantywaist crybabies.

Slowguy

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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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There's something about a Y chromosome that would lead me to believe that at the fundamental DNA level men and women are wired differently.
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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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he didn't know his audience was such a bunch of pantywaist crybabies.
It's Harvard! What does he expect!

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Re: Are Male and Female Brains Wired Differently? Can We Even Talk About It Without Taking A Smackdown? ;-) [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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Bit off topic



In prison , 95% of men try too make a weapon .

95% of the women hoard food & clothing.

From the first day , to a 30 yr convict. ????? cave man wiring ??
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