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Re: Race Day Ethics - question [Trirunner] [ In reply to ]
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What bothers me is that it seems some people cannot face the fact that there are rules that are written in black and white which entail no interpretation. If you do this, then that....... People like to look at rules and personalize them to their own feelings (i.e. if I don't think I am bothering anyone, then I must not be), but a rule is a rule.

If someone wants to face the possible penalties, then, as long as they accept the consequences, it is their decision.
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Re: Race Day Ethics - question [waytooslow] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you for the explanation.

Maybe is it not much unlike people driving over the posted speed limit?
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grey area [ In reply to ]
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ok rules are black and white i think rules should be followed. the question is what if you aren't competing? what if you have no real dreams of placing and just want to do a triathlon?

i ask this because i have a buddy who is a golf nut. in his bag are clubs and balls the usga have said are illegal. the catch is he does not have a handicap. he just pays his greens fees and plays the round with the best equipment he can. is he bad?

in races i always try to hang with a group that is faster than me. i have no illusions of beating these guys and gals. i just want to hang with the group and finish strong. isn't that pacing?

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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>> the question is what if you aren't competing? what if you have no real dreams of placing and just want to do a triathlon?<<

That's called TRAINING.

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Re: grey area [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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so a husband "pacing" his wife should be ok.

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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>> the question is what if you aren't competing? what if you have no real dreams of placing and just want to do a triathlon?
That's called TRAINING. <<

the overwhelming majority of racers go to a race and have no chance of placing. Don't cheapen their efforts and tell them they are TRAINING when they are out there busting their balls. Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to go fast. These "training" people will give an eyeball to outsprint somebody at the end even if they are crossing the line at 3:30 for an oly.
ps. thanks trirunner

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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>>so a husband "pacing" his wife should be ok.<<

Sure, on a nice day in the neighborhood, alone or with friends.

In a race (and we'll call "race" something that a third party puts on, people pay some sort of consideration to enter said race), no way, if it's a USAT sanctioned race. If it's not, then it's whatever the RD says.

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Re: grey area [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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so unless your going for that time or win stay the hell off the course?

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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no but if you have finished your race stay off the course. I dealt with 3 couples that one partner caused the other to get a 2 minute pacing penalty at WF Olympic. Lets just say the pacer was probably going to end up on the couch for the next few nights.

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Re: grey area [eric] [ In reply to ]
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true dat. what if the rd oks it? with the understanding that no place is up for grabs.

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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RD doesn't have the power to void USAT rules. We [USAT Referees] enforce the rules as written. There are exceptions but they require a Petiton to USAT that must be approved by USAT's Executive Director in writing well in advance.

Course saftey issues can also crop up IE: wet steel bridge at WF Long Course being declaired a no ride must walk zone. that is something the RD can declair

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Re: grey area [eric] [ In reply to ]
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back to my orginal point. you put a penalty on my wife because i paced her. finishing time means nothing to her because she just loves swimming and biking and running. is she cheating?

i know you are right about the rules. i believe anyone who is racing and breaks any rule should be punished as required by the rules. i get that. other than the pacing rule that i just don't dig, i wondering about the ethics of a non-compitive triathlete being escorted by a faster runner during the last couple of miles of the run. why is that bad?

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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technically yes she is.

somehow I bet this senario would piss you off:

You are on your bike and you keep getting stuck behind people riding in the middle of the road having a good time yakking to the rider on the right and you can't pass, then there is the wheel sucker on your tail. they have been written up more than 3 times by different marshals and are DQ,ed but they don't care because they are out for fun and don't care about finish times. are they cheaters? yes, is your wife? yes, are you? yes [ you are knowingly assisting someone in violating the competative rules]

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Re: grey area [eric] [ In reply to ]
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yes in that case it is true. but i'm not talking about the bike or swim. i'm talking about if i finish a race and duck back in and jog my wife through the last part of the run and drop off before the chute.

this happens in road races all the time. a lot of runner will rejog part of the course after thier race and incourage slower friends on. as far as pacing during the run being cheating i always paced my self during the run by hanging on to a faster runner and i did the same thing during the swim. the bike is another issue because of the no drafting rule which i support.

i just dont see helping a slower triathlete as bad.

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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ok so here is your position some rules I will follow others I won't because I don't feel like it. as for keeping up with someone else on the run: as long as you are a competitor in the event you can be on the course running right behind anyone you choose and thats legal. the second you cross the finish line you go from competitor to spectator period [you have finished the event and are no longer competing]. If you go back out and run with someone it's pacing and thats cheating. that form of cheating is no different than drafting ,blocking, cutting the course etc. I don't care how you rationalize it IT IS CHEATING.

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Re: grey area [eric] [ In reply to ]
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wow the more i talk the more i sound like a dope. i will give in. it is cheating. i will leave the is it cheating if you are not competing to a bunch of college freshman in ethics 101. in the real world we should follw the rules to the letter.

same subject just your opion. is it fair in road racing that the men can hire pacers to pull them through the race but a woman is kicked out of the race if she is paced? sounds like a huge double standard.

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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my opinion is that rules must be executed in an equitable manner. In otherwords to be fair a rule must be apllied to all competitors in exactly the same manner with no bias [allowances for challenged athletes should permitted] for or against any one group. that said I am not familiar with "Road Racing rules" so I really have no idea why or if those are the rules and their application.

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Re: grey area [customerjon] [ In reply to ]
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My God! Do you have a thick head or what?

There are these things that occur on many weekends. They are called RACES. You pay your money, you race. Just because one is slow or not the top person doesn't mean he or she isn't RACING. If your wife loves swimming, biking and running, good on her. She can do it on most any road in the nation. If she enters a RACE, abide by the frigging rules, whether you like them or not.

Lastly, this is TRIATHLON. It's not road racing. It's not cycling races, it's not swimming competitions. Each have separate and distinct rules from TRIATHLON.

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Re: grey area [ironclm] [ In reply to ]
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dear shiva can you not read!!! i gave in. i turned my view. i saw y'alls point! i give up! i will now walk hot coals! bad jon! bad!

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Re: Race Day Ethics - question [Gary in SD] [ In reply to ]
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depends on the behaviour of the roadie. Stay out of the way of the racers then it might be OK - but if you're time-trialing, probably won't be able to do this. Do the marked out course the weekend before the race or after the race instead.

On last year's Boulder tri, while descending Old Stage hill, I was cut off and forced to slow down by a roadie. He passed on a bend, but didn't pedal on the flatter stretches, and I didn't feel like fighting him off at every curve, so stayed behind. At the bottom of the hill, there's a stop sign and a T-junction, race goes L, he went R without stopping. Clearly a jackass. If I see him next year, I'm going to run him into the brambles..
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Re: Race Day Ethics - question [dave in chicago] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Dave,

Make sure you take off your chip or your splits might get screwed up.
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