Actually, "we" didn't do anything during the Crusades since they were in the 11th century.

" WE " (pissed off white prudish Europeans, that came for land , natural resoruces , to avoid taxes - Mad leaders & religious trouble makers. demonstrate our skill in manufacturing steel weapons to kill native people & animals, run at a higher speed /drive compared to those lazy Europeans that eat dinner for 4 hours, sipping wine.
That would be US.

" WE " (pissed off white prudish Europeans, that came for land , natural resoruces , to avoid taxes - Mad leaders & religious trouble makers. demonstrate our skill in manufacturing steel weapons to kill native people & animals, run at a higher speed /drive compared to those lazy Europeans that eat dinner for 4 hours, sipping wine.
That would be US. "

That's the same crap thinking that says "we" kept slaves, and "we" held women down, and "we" slaughtered the American Indians. I personally didn't do any of those things, so you can leave me out of that "we".

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That's the same crap thinking that says "we" kept slaves, and "we" held women down, and "we" slaughtered the American Indians. I personally didn't do any of those things, so you can leave me out of that "we".


I have a viking branch that got lost ,in the rape & pilaging ( god knows what fun they had ) Most of my family came over after the war, so the best we could do,, is steely eyed looks wondering if they were, a Holocausti or holocauster,

Perhaps they erased your memory ,on your last alien abduction, since your off the" WE "list.

I didn't understand a word of your last post.

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Your not taking any reasonability or acknowledging, you heritage, family history, immigration, wars, as group / extended family. If you can't link your heritage to any of these acts or movements I apologize , I think. since your not a "we".

"Your not taking any reasonability or acknowledging, you heritage, family history, immigration, wars, as group / extended family."

How am I responsible for the actions of people who came before me, whom I never knew? It is impossible to be responsible for the past.

"If you can't link your heritage to any of these acts or movements I apologize , I think. since your not a "we"

I'm sure that someone in my family tree somewhere had a slave, or oppressed a woman, or something, I just don't see how I am in any way responsible for their actions. The unfortunate fact is that although the evil men do lives after them, the responsibility has to die with the perpetrators. No amount of me feeling bad is going to erase the effects of the past.

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"Your not taking any reasonability or acknowledging, you heritage"

OK, try this on for size: I'm Irish - the KKK used to chase my grandfather. My people never owned slaves, but they were treated like crap.

It's not about what happened in the past, it's about what's happening now, and what will happen in the future. I don't owe reparations to anybody, and I don't think anybody alive today is due reparations from anyone else in the US. That's not how you move forward.

TODAY, there is opportunity for everyone. What each person makes of it is up to him or her.

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Hey , tell it to the holocaust survivors , african land return , The reality is the guilt is meaningless , Show me the money. Which I am not big on. All is fair in love and war in my book, Its not what you and I think its that PC world .

On a positive side aren't you thankful to your "kin" who got you here ,away from the potato famine & getting shot by englishmen, your DNA was along for the ride. All those stepping stones of good or bad are meaningless in getting you to where you are now.

"On a positive side aren't you thankful to your "kin" who got you here?"

I am. The PC crowd can kiss my yaktabay. If anyone offered me reparations, I'd be too proud to accept it anyway...

And too stupid; I'm Irish!

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Cousin Elwood wrote "The PC crowd can kiss my yaktabay" Hey isnt that an Otis Redding song , Sittin by the yaktabay ,,,watching the tide, roll away ,,,, ooew.

"isnt that an Otis Redding song"

Nah, Otis had some interesting words that he made up, but that one was from Andy Kaufman as Latka on the old Taxi show.

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I suspect blowing people up is a good way to breed more terrorists rather than get rid of them. I think the USA is seen by the people of many nations as a corrupt, meddling, bully boy rather than the benevolent uncle that it thinks it is.
To restrict the growth of terrorism you need to look to see what the real cause is rather than just trying to kill them all off. You only have to look at N.Ireland and Israel to see that the heavy handed approach breeds resentment and yet more terrorists.
I respect the USA had a just right to seek out and destroy Al Quieda and have no qualms about hunting down this and other such organisations. But the reality is until you can alter the perspective of the people who hate the US more will just join up.

"ou only have to look at N.Ireland and Israel to see that the heavy handed approach breeds resentment and yet more terrorists. "

Unfortunately, I think it takes decades of dealing with those problems before you start to learn that lesson. I'm afraid we're in for a "long hard slog" on this one.

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in Saudi.

Another attack is probably inevitable, the British had, apparently, a shoot to kill policy (allegedly) but that did not stop the IRA in Brighton, Hyde Park, Docklands, Manchester (was there at school for that one).

I dont think terrorists find the threat of "over-whelming" force that intimidating as you actually have to find them to overwhelm them.

What is interesting however is how this is being played out politically...........

I don't think so.

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"Look, will you guys at leats accept that you are a bunch of dumb asses and just trust me on this one? Please?" BarryP 7/30/2012

Nice thread resurrection.

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I miss YaHey

it absolutely is over-stated. and i was on the forum in 2004.

Not timely. Isn't resurrection more Easter than Christmas?

Re-birth would have been better.

I so enjoy reading through the old threads. Seeing who has come and gone who still think they are the smartest in the room.

Same here,,,, I wonder if we should have a vote for the smartest Lava Room Man,,,, all us old white dudes know it can't be a female, right? So who do you think? BarryP, Slowguy,,,, it has to be one of those two, because neither has ever been wrong, right? A fitting acronym should go along with it.

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#WeAreTheForge #BlackGunsMatter

"Look, will you guys at leats accept that you are a bunch of dumb asses and just trust me on this one? Please?" BarryP 7/30/2012

They know who they are...