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What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good?
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But he, personally, is still the disaster that he appears to be.

So in 2020, the economy is humming along, NK has been brought to heel, Russia hasn't invaded anyone, gas prices are still low, ISIS is defeated, gun laws have been passed, no major foreign policy problems, health care is fixed'ish, ...

But Trump is confirmed to have worked with Wikileaks directly, the Russians collaterally, the affair with Stormy is confirmed, campaign finance laws broken all over the place, Kushner goes to jail, Melania won't speak to him, ...

Do we re-elect him?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Almost certainly

What would someone run on against That? That he's a nasty person?

The offer would have to be demonstrably better because a porn star won't put his core off and the rest is all fake news

MAGA
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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How many presidencies have ended bad(ly)? Looking back (since 1970), Bush43, Carter, Nixon? Outside of really major debacles, everything else is "fake news".
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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the goodest. so much goodnest. very very goodness, perhaps the best - if not THE best, good'ly. #MGGA
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
How many presidencies have ended bad(ly)? Looking back (since 1970), Bush43, Carter, Nixon? Outside of really major debacles, everything else is "fake news".

You left out Obama44. ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
But he, personally, is still the disaster that he appears to be.

So in 2020, the economy is humming along, NK has been brought to heel, Russia hasn't invaded anyone, gas prices are still low, ISIS is defeated, gun laws have been passed, no major foreign policy problems, health care is fixed'ish, ...

But Trump is confirmed to have worked with Wikileaks directly, the Russians collaterally, the affair with Stormy is confirmed, campaign finance laws broken all over the place, Kushner goes to jail, Melania won't speak to him, ...

Do we re-elect him?

Bill Clinton served two terms ...

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
How many presidencies have ended bad(ly)? Looking back (since 1970), Bush43, Carter, Nixon? Outside of really major debacles, everything else is "fake news".

Well, I'm not saying 'not bad'. I'm saying actually good. What if it is actually good?

What if he is confirmed to have done all the bad things we think he may have done, everyone of them, but the outcomes from his time in office are actually good?

So you have a very successful but also serial sexual assaulting, colluding, lying, corrupt, bribe taking, campaign finance flouting, law breaking president who defiles the office.

Do you ignore the bad and re-elect him?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
Do you ignore the bad and re-elect him?

No.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [JSA] [ In reply to ]
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JSA wrote:
j p o wrote:
But he, personally, is still the disaster that he appears to be.

So in 2020, the economy is humming along, NK has been brought to heel, Russia hasn't invaded anyone, gas prices are still low, ISIS is defeated, gun laws have been passed, no major foreign policy problems, health care is fixed'ish, ...

But Trump is confirmed to have worked with Wikileaks directly, the Russians collaterally, the affair with Stormy is confirmed, campaign finance laws broken all over the place, Kushner goes to jail, Melania won't speak to him, ...

Do we re-elect him?


Bill Clinton served two terms ...

I know, we ignored all those murders and re-elected him. But Clinton never did what Trump is accused of doing.

And Lewinsky came out after he was re-elected. Not sure how '96 would have turned out if it had come out earlier. He may have won even with it.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [trail] [ In reply to ]
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trail wrote:
j p o wrote:

Do you ignore the bad and re-elect him?


No.

Everybody knew the bad about him and still elected the guy. What? The badder-er stuff is going to cause him not to be reelected? Color me skeptical on that front, at least right now -- and barring some superstar Democrat that comes out of nowhere.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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You left out Obama44. ;-)


Yup, the gold standard for disaster. Witness Calamity Jeans:



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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
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You left out Obama44. ;-)



Yup, the gold standard for disaster. Witness Calamity Jeans:



The proper term is "mom jeans," big daddy. ;-)

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
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Everybody knew the bad about him and still elected the guy.

Everybody? Did I screw up my ballot?
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
Do you ignore the bad and re-elect him?
He has core 35% support no matter what, so it would come down to the collective intelligence of the remaining 65%.
(Crap, we're in real trouble...)
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
JSA wrote:
j p o wrote:
But he, personally, is still the disaster that he appears to be.

So in 2020, the economy is humming along, NK has been brought to heel, Russia hasn't invaded anyone, gas prices are still low, ISIS is defeated, gun laws have been passed, no major foreign policy problems, health care is fixed'ish, ...

But Trump is confirmed to have worked with Wikileaks directly, the Russians collaterally, the affair with Stormy is confirmed, campaign finance laws broken all over the place, Kushner goes to jail, Melania won't speak to him, ...

Do we re-elect him?


Bill Clinton served two terms ...


I know, we ignored all those murders and re-elected him. But Clinton never did what Trump is accused of doing.

And Lewinsky came out after he was re-elected. Not sure how '96 would have turned out if it had come out earlier. He may have won even with it.

I am not alleging as much. But Clinton was a horribly failed man. Many, many people around him/her went to jail or ended up dead. But, he did well for the country, so all the baggage was ignored. I'm not claiming that was a bad thing (for the country).

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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big kahuna wrote:
trail wrote:
j p o wrote:

Do you ignore the bad and re-elect him?


No.


Everybody knew the bad about him and still elected the guy. What? The badder-er stuff is going to cause him not to be reelected? Color me skeptical on that front, at least right now -- and barring some superstar Democrat that comes out of nowhere.

But would YOU vote for him?

BTW - this post was prompted by this guy:

A pastor closely linked to Donald Trump said he’s against sex with adult film stars but isn’t holding the alleged affair with Stormy Daniels against the president.

“Evangelicals still believe in the commandment: Thou shalt not have sex with a porn star,” Robert Jeffress told Fox News on Thursday. “However, whether this president violated that commandment or not is totally irrelevant to our support of him.”

Jeffress, who is an evangelical adviser to the president, said Trump’s personal behavior isn’t an issue.

“Evangelicals knew they weren’t voting for an altar boy when they voted for Donald Trump,” he said. “We supported him because of his policies and his strong leadership.”

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Sure Trump is an embarrassment. But how much has he actually done, for good or ill?

If things turn out poorly. Trump's detractors will nod knowingly, while his detractors say "outside of his control". If things turn out well, vice-versa.

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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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It seems the personal character and integrity of a President is no longer relevant to being elected. It's kind of like the quaint idea that Presidents should have military experience but looking back since Clinton, it seems that having military experience will just about guarantee you are not going to be in the Whitehouse.

Maybe Trump will set the standard that your personal life is your private business and anything goes as long as you are on the right team.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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Back to the question. No. I wouldn't. Trump has cavalierly increased the deficit past $1Trillion dollars during a boom period. The best thing Obama did was drop the deficit from an eye-popping 1.2T to a still-too-high 400B (shout out to sequestration). Trump's approach should help for several years (my 401K salutes you!) but it will end badly. If there are only two choices, I'll take "tax and spend" over "borrow and spend".
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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//Back to the question. No. I wouldn't. Trump has cavalierly increased the deficit past $1Trillion dollars during a boom period. The best thing Obama did was drop the deficit from an eye-popping 1.2T to a still-too-high 400B (shout out to sequestration). Trump's approach should help for several years (my 401K salutes you!) but it will end badly. If there are only two choices, I'll take "tax and spend" over "borrow and spend". //

I agree with this sentiment. Seems to me Trump is not thinking strategically for the long-term and looking for quick sound bites by implementing policies that are for the short-term. This does not mean some of these policies won’t be good for the long-term but it’ll be by happenstance. My only caveat to the above is the other candidate. If it’s another HRC then I won’t vote for either nominee (again). I would prefer Trump step aside and a Kasich-like candidate emerge. Then again, I liked Romney so perhaps I’m just not woke.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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j p o wrote:
But he, personally, is still the disaster that he appears to be.

So in 2020, the economy is humming along, NK has been brought to heel, Russia hasn't invaded anyone, gas prices are still low, ISIS is defeated, gun laws have been passed, no major foreign policy problems, health care is fixed'ish, ...

But Trump is confirmed to have worked with Wikileaks directly, the Russians collaterally, the affair with Stormy is confirmed, campaign finance laws broken all over the place, Kushner goes to jail, Melania won't speak to him, ...

Do we re-elect him?

Who's running against him? Who is the DNC's best shot at the moment? Given what happened last election, I'm not sure who they would even match with him. Biden?
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [matt_cycles] [ In reply to ]
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Who's running against him? Who is the DNC's best shot at the moment?

Who cares? You are going to get a mainstream Dem (Clinton/Obama/Kerry/Biden/Cory Booker/Sherrod Brown school) or someone to the left of that (Gillibrand/Kamala Harris/Warren/Bernie, working right to left). Once one jettison's Hilary's baggage, there is a large pool of candidates who are plausible.For a list, go here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.4b2e45ad59f5
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
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Who's running against him? Who is the DNC's best shot at the moment?


Who cares? You are going to get a mainstream Dem (Clinton/Obama/Kerry/Biden/Cory Booker/Sherrod Brown school) or someone to the left of that (Gillibrand/Kamala Harris/Warren/Bernie, working right to left). Once one jettison's Hilary's baggage, there is a large pool of candidates who are plausible.For a list, go here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.4b2e45ad59f5[/quote[/url]]

I will say that I am glad there is time for that list to change.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [j p o] [ In reply to ]
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What will 'good' look like to you?

Quite frankly, If we are all not dead in a global nuclear apocalypse I will be pleased.
If the are all alive and the global economy hasn't gone the way of the Trump Maj Tahal I will be ecstatic.

Remember - It's important to be comfortable in your own skin... because it turns out society frowns on wearing other people's
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Re: What do we do if a Trump presidency ends up good? [oldandslow] [ In reply to ]
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oldandslow wrote:
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You left out Obama44. ;-)


Yup, the gold standard for disaster. Witness Calamity Jeans:



Riding on the sidewalk is illegal if you’re over 12 in Chicago—that’s a bigger crime than those jeans
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