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Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck
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http://joegamblesracing.com/...triathlon-gerardmer/

Interesting story from Joe Gambles.


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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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What a d-bag move from Guerra though.


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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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more athlete need to stand up like this and send the clear message that once your caugh....your never welcome back.

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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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Dude sprayed Gambles family and friends with champagne? Wow...someone should have knocked his teeth out.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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That's one of the best RR I've ever read! He told it like it is, my hat's off to him.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [tttiltheend] [ In reply to ]
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i would have walked back on stage and punched him in the dick if he sprayed my family.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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It is good to see Gambles taking a stance.

I wonder what would happen if before the race even started all the pros said to the RD we aren't racing if
you are knowingly allowing an athlete with a history of doping to participate?
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [dirtbag] [ In reply to ]
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dirtbag wrote:
It is good to see Gambles taking a stance.

I wonder what would happen if before the race even started all the pros said to the RD we aren't racing if
you are knowingly allowing an athlete with a history of doping to participate?

I read the entire thing and liked the read. Relative to your question, how does a race director not allow someone who is legally entitled to race from racing. I believe Gerardmer is part of the Challenge group of races and they are locally governed under national federation rules, making it legal for the ex cyclist doper to race. Having said that, I believe that Fexlix from Challenge has said no ex doper will ever get a pro invite to Roth, so not sure how he does it. For example, I don't believe that WTC can keep Antonio Colom of of WTC races. He was suspended for doping as a pro cyclist. He is still the holder of the Mortirolo stage from the 2008 Giro....after his suspension was complete, he got into triathlon and later won IM Frankfurt 2014 and won the 2014 70.3 World's in Tremblant in 35-39
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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He doped, he got suspended, served his ban and returned to racing. He's allowed to do so. Maybe the rule needs to be changed but until it is changed, it is the rule. Who's this Gambles dude to decide that such or such athlete is not welcome to race anymore? The "pro" thing to do would have been to accept the ruling of his governing body, suck it up and acknowledge the winner's victory. Then find means to make his opinion known, other than by shaming him on stage.

I'm all for tougher sentences towards dopers. But I don't think they should be ostracize or discriminated against beyond what the ruling called for.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [nchristi] [ In reply to ]
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nchristi wrote:
He doped, he got suspended, served his ban and returned to racing. He's allowed to do so. Maybe the rule needs to be changed but until it is changed, it is the rule. Who's this Gambles dude to decide that such or such athlete is not welcome to race anymore? The "pro" thing to do would have been to accept the ruling of his governing body, suck it up and acknowledge the winner's victory. Then find means to make his opinion known, other than by shaming him on stage.

I'm all for tougher sentences towards dopers. But I don't think they should be ostracize or discriminated against beyond what the ruling called for.


oh boy...



if you can read this
YOU'RE DRAFTING!
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [dirtbag] [ In reply to ]
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dirtbag wrote:
It is good to see Gambles taking a stance.

I wonder what would happen if before the race even started all the pros said to the RD we aren't racing if
you are knowingly allowing an athlete with a history of doping to participate?

The doper would still win the money.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [flogazo] [ In reply to ]
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flogazo wrote:
nchristi wrote:
He doped, he got suspended, served his ban and returned to racing. He's allowed to do so. Maybe the rule needs to be changed but until it is changed, it is the rule. Who's this Gambles dude to decide that such or such athlete is not welcome to race anymore? The "pro" thing to do would have been to accept the ruling of his governing body, suck it up and acknowledge the winner's victory. Then find means to make his opinion known, other than by shaming him on stage.

I'm all for tougher sentences towards dopers. But I don't think they should be ostracize or discriminated against beyond what the ruling called for.


oh boy...


Sometimes punishments handed down aren't really enough. Sometimes, extra steps can be taken by the public to further place sanctions on someone who has wronged the public in some way. The justice system isn't always the best system for doling out punishments.
Good for him for taking a stand.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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side rant, my work firewall blocked access because the site has been categorized as , "Gambling". You can't make this stuff up.

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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [nchristi] [ In reply to ]
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All Gambles did was decline to shake his hand. Going after someone's family is way over the line and speaks volumes about Guerra's character (or lack thereof.)
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [dongustav] [ In reply to ]
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This is how I wrote the race story:

http://www.slowtwitch.com/...rardmer_XL_5328.html


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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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Gerardmer is not under Challenge. It's a historic race. Maybe 29th edition.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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Is anybody else struggling to view the OP's link?
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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Those are some slow bike splits. That must be one heck of a great bike course!
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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I don't know. Mixed feelings. I am not entirely comfortable with the whole refusing to applaud for the winner or shake their hand. It seems childish to me. I don't think there is a solution since the person served their ban. If he doesn't want to compete against "dopers", he should probably be venting some of this concern to the race directors and governing bodies that allow the athlete to compete.
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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Who was the genius that gave him a magnum of champagne at a banquet? Did they expect him to go round to tables pouring it out to audience members?
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [jonnyo] [ In reply to ]
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There is a real cognitive dissonance here in that I'll be upset at some one who's ethics allows them to cheat but if I'm offered a cheque I can look past alleged shady behaviour.

So I wonder if guerra had paid him cash would he have been OK with finishing second and shook his hand
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [Andrewmc] [ In reply to ]
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this is a story of doper in sport. Try to stay on track....

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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [rbuike] [ In reply to ]
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Who sponsors Guerra anyway? (No, I won't google it....don't want to give him any visits to a webpage.) And more importantly, why would they sponsor him? A convicted doper that's now arguably a mediocre pro: what would be the upside to sponsoring a guy like this?
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Re: Joe Gambles - Dopers Suck [devashish_paul] [ In reply to ]
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devashish_paul wrote:
dirtbag wrote:
It is good to see Gambles taking a stance.

I wonder what would happen if before the race even started all the pros said to the RD we aren't racing if
you are knowingly allowing an athlete with a history of doping to participate?

I read the entire thing and liked the read. Relative to your question, how does a race director not allow someone who is legally entitled to race from racing. I believe Gerardmer is part of the Challenge group of races and they are locally governed under national federation rules, making it legal for the ex cyclist doper to race. Having said that, I believe that Fexlix from Challenge has said no ex doper will ever get a pro invite to Roth, so not sure how he does it. For example, I don't believe that WTC can keep Antonio Colom of of WTC races. He was suspended for doping as a pro cyclist. He is still the holder of the Mortirolo stage from the 2008 Giro....after his suspension was complete, he got into triathlon and later won IM Frankfurt 2014 and won the 2014 70.3 World's in Tremblant in 35-39

Any of these races are private enterprise. They can deny someone entry for any reason that is allowable under the law. Like, "no shirt, no service."

There's no doubt that any of these races COULD disallow someone convicted of doping from starting. The question is SHOULD they? I don't know. WADA has set up the code to allow athletes to serve their suspension and then return. It's not a perfect system, but it's the best we've got for now.

WTC could indeed disallow Colom. But as a WADA signatory, what does it achieve? WTC supports the WADA Code. Disallowing Colom, who served his suspension, would undercut that.

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