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Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona?
 
I'm not going to give names of those involved, or identifying information, other than to say the person (who I will refer to as RX - Racer X) is not in my husband's age group.


You know when you travel to a race, you get to know others staying in the same place. I keep an eye out for them on race day so I can cheer for them too. I've spectated a lot of Ironmans (my husband has done 20, and multiple Konas.) He had a good race, and afterwards he said "hey you know RX from the condo - he must have had a really good day as I passed him at mile 22 on the run". I said he couldn't have passed him, as RX was almost an hour behind him pretty much the whole day. He said he definitely did, and I said he definitely didn't. It was one of those conversations where each person knows the other is wrong, and you are right.


Later we found out RX had a finish time of 10:11, but "lost his chip during the run" so had to go to the officials to get an official time registered. He was really bragging about his 3:10 marathon split, and how he was running faster than almost all the pros during the second half of the marathon. I thought it was surprising for someone who qualified with a 3:49 marathon, and my husband and I started talking to each other about what we were thinking - he must have cut the course and not gone into the energy lab.


Heading out of town at the hot corner (Alii Dr. and Hualalai), RX was 50 minutes (almost exactly to the second) behind my husband. I checked athlete tracker and RX had a timing chip up until the 10.2 mile mark, where he was averaging 8:15 miles. Here's where things get weird. How then, did my husband end up passing RX at mile 22, when RX was so far behind him? And even more weird, my husband crossed the finish line almost 20 minutes ahead (his time was 9:52, and RX 10:11). My husband's pace for the last four miles was 8:02, so if he put 20 minutes on RX in that interval that means RX was running 13 minute miles for those last four.


For RX to finish in 10:11, based on the first 10.2 mile pace and his last 4 mile pace, that meant the middle 12 miles (which coincidentally there is no time split for since he "lost" his timing chip so the mats in the energy lab didn't register him) he would have had to run 4:30 miles. 4:30 MILES FOR 12 MILES? In the middle of IM Hawaii? That's world record OPEN half marathon pace, and I'm 100% sure there's no single pro in the world that can run that in any Ironman! Even if my husband hadn't seen him at mile 22, so we didn't know how slow RX's final 4 miles were, according to the last official time he had, he would have run the last 16 miles in 6:30 pace. Yeah right. Who starts the first third of an Ironman at 8:15 pace, and then the last two-thirds at 6:30 pace? Nobody. That's one hell of a negative split! But RX was sure bragging at the pool the next day to anyone who was in earshot.


I couldn't take this kid bragging anymore, so asked RX "hey what did you think of the energy lab?" He stared at me for a few seconds and didn't say anything, and then said a weak "pardon?" I repeated my question, and his answer was "oh yeah all the solar panels were cool". The solar panels are next to the highway, not in the energy lab, so I asked him what he saw and thought of the actual energy lab. He said he thought it was cool. Hmm. I really wanted to shout "CHEATER" for everyone at the pool, but I didn't. I kept my mouth pretty much shut (for once), but said enough so he knows we know. If you know what I mean.


We talked about what to do for awhile, and decided we should go talk to the refs. They agreed that he couldn't have run that, and DQ'd him. (Incidentally he is listed as DNF on the results, not DQ). But here's the thing - he crossed the finish line and has a finisher medal and a finisher shirt.


I am totally disgusted with RX and feel like he's disrespecting an incredible event. I have seen people work their asses off to qualify for Kona, do almost anything in their physical power to experience that hallowed ground and finish honorably. Now here's this twit who cut the course and his bragging to everyone about how he outsplit the pros. I want him to give his finisher stuff back, the bastard!


What do you think? Should he be listed as a DQ, not DNF? Should there be some kind of penalty for this? Kona is a big deal and it bothers me to no end that he would do this.
Last edited by: alligatorCAN: Oct 14, 11 16:12
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
He got his results negated... they can't repo his t-shirt and medal.
Last edited by: iJen0311: Oct 11, 11 20:07
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
some people are psychopaths

can't fix it

wonder if he cheated his way to the KQ spot too

check out his KQ race, suspicious splits there?



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Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
If he had to cheat, and then had to brag about a fictitious marathon split, it sounds like he's in a pretty shitty place.

I would just take solace in that and forget it.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [chunt] [ In reply to ]
 
Yep, and he'll remember it every time he looks at that medal or wears his shirt.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [chunt] [ In reply to ]
 
Well said Chunt.

And I'm sure you do not mean the ST user with the same name (Racer X).

If ever I am so lucky as to do Kona, I guarantee I'll love every minute of the misery, especially the energy lab. I can't imagine missing it.

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Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [chunt] [ In reply to ]
 
chunt wrote:
If he had to cheat, and then had to brag about a fictitious marathon split, it sounds like he's in a pretty shitty place.

I would just take solace in that and forget it.

Pretty good call, that.

I couldn't begin to understand what would drive a person to do such a thing.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [iJen0311] [ In reply to ]
 
iJen0311 wrote:
Yep, and he'll remember it every time he looks at that medal or wears his shirt.
Worst thing, you are probably wrong: if he can think this behaviour is OK, then he will probably carry on and possibly really think 'I had a great race', even more so as time goes by! Sad. to the OP, DQ should be the correct listing.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [Fix] [ In reply to ]
 
Then yeah, he's just a psychopath. Silly too, since he KQ'd and it's not like he can't complete an Ironman.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [Rokko] [ In reply to ]
 
No, I didn't even know there was an ST poster using the Racer X name! I just meant X as a generic term. Sorry to the real Racer X out there!

I agree with Chunt - he's obviously in a crappy place. But by being listed as a DNF, he can show off his finisher medal and continue the "lost chip" story. There are a lot of people who would love the chance to race the ENTIRE course, so his behaviour IMO needs some sort of penalty.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
But at this point, they can't really penalize him other than banning him from future WTC events (maybe USAT). Or put some kind of cheater asterisk next to his name on the results.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
This is why I love Slowtwitch. I love the fact that you did all of the math and presented the facts.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [Fix] [ In reply to ]
 
As Kona gets even more exclusive you are going to see more people cheating to get there. Cheating to get a decent time at Kona and then bragging about it, is asking to get caught.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
Anyone caught cutting the course at Hawaii should be DQ'd and banned from entering again.

How did he think he would even get away with that?

He's likely a pretty sick puppy.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
What's his #?

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Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [bluepoint] [ In reply to ]
 
Honestly he probably would have got away with it if it hadn't been for the argument my husband and I had after the race - "I passed him" / "impossible he was almost an hour behind you"...

My intent is not to name him/ give his number publicly and humiliate him, but just wondering what the appropriate reaction from WTC could be.
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
alligatorCAN wrote:
Honestly he probably would have got away with it if it hadn't been for the argument my husband and I had after the race - "I passed him" / "impossible he was almost an hour behind you"...

My intent is not to name him/ give his number publicly and humiliate him, but just wondering what the appropriate reaction from WTC could be.

You do realize by this time tommorow the ST police will have his name all over the internet...
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
It'd be awesome if you managed to get a photo with an accurate timestamp of him at any given time before he "lost his chip"
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [furiousferret] [ In reply to ]
 
furiousferret wrote:
alligatorCAN wrote:
Honestly he probably would have got away with it if it hadn't been for the argument my husband and I had after the race - "I passed him" / "impossible he was almost an hour behind you"...

My intent is not to name him/ give his number publicly and humiliate him, but just wondering what the appropriate reaction from WTC could be.


You do realize by this time tommorow the ST police will have his name all over the internet...

It really wasn't that hard...

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Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [furiousferret] [ In reply to ]
 
Yeah, pretty easy to tell. Just search the finishers at 10:11 and check their marathon splits. :/

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Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [Devlin] [ In reply to ]
 
I hope you don't have the wrong guy, as when I look at the results he's a DNF, not a 10:11 finisher.
I wasn't looking for a smear campaign, just to see if others thought he should be a DQ. Oh well - karma?
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
alligatorCAN wrote:
I wasn't looking for a smear campaign

I believe you.

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Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
alligatorCAN wrote:
I hope you don't have the wrong guy, as when I look at the results he's a DNF, not a 10:11 finisher.
I wasn't looking for a smear campaign, just to see if others thought he should be a DQ. Oh well - karma?


Oh, I'm not looking at all. I really don't care to find out who. I think he's a sad person that needs to be banned from Kona I think there should be a just penalty, but that's as far as my engagement goes.

Edited for consideration and reflection.

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Last edited by: Devlin: Oct 12, 11 11:43
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [alligatorCAN] [ In reply to ]
 
People like that SHOULD have their names thrown out there so people can look out for him in the future trying to do the same thing.

I mean, he did bring it on himself. If he did something spectacular his name would be thrown out there. Shouldn't be any different when you do something spectacularly wrong either.
Last edited by: SpeedRacer1: Oct 11, 11 21:40
 
Re: Should this be a DQ or DNF at Kona? [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
 
It's gonna be finman all over again. I better go get another beer and some popcorn...
 

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