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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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windschatten wrote:
grumpier.mike wrote:
It would be cool to get Slowtwitch do an article on the ride, preparation, and equipment choice


and what kind of drug testing he has been subject to...

Otherwise that record is not better than 'winning' Strava segments on a Moto.

What a nasty ill informed comment this is. Clearly you are too lazy and ignorant to read up on the doping control requirements for UCI hour records.

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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Morelock wrote:
jens wrote:
windschatten wrote:
grumpier.mike wrote:
It would be cool to get Slowtwitch do an article on the ride, preparation, and equipment choice


and what kind of drug testing he has been subject to...

Otherwise that record is not better than 'winning' Strava segments on a Moto.



Dude. This isn't one of those threads where we anonymously rag on TDF riders who will never read it. Many of us have met Kevin or raced with him and he's been a contributor here for many years. So the tenor of your comments is way out of line.

agreed, and also for a UCI hour attempt to take place drug testing is required to be present so i think they got it covered.

Yep, I didn't get out of the velodrome until 11:30pm. Took me two hours and about 6 bottles of water to produce a sample.

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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Side effect of breaking the record!

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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nslckevin wrote:
Morelock wrote:
jens wrote:
windschatten wrote:
grumpier.mike wrote:
It would be cool to get Slowtwitch do an article on the ride, preparation, and equipment choice


and what kind of drug testing he has been subject to...

Otherwise that record is not better than 'winning' Strava segments on a Moto.



Dude. This isn't one of those threads where we anonymously rag on TDF riders who will never read it. Many of us have met Kevin or raced with him and he's been a contributor here for many years. So the tenor of your comments is way out of line.

agreed, and also for a UCI hour attempt to take place drug testing is required to be present so i think they got it covered.

Yep, I didn't get out of the velodrome until 11:30pm. Took me two hours and about 6 bottles of water to produce a sample.

You would think they would let you rehydrate with a cerveza or two after that effort.
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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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seems you also need congrats for a new 2k record!

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [Morelock] [ In reply to ]
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Morelock wrote:
seems you also need congrats for a new 2k record!
We were still there, so why not give it a shot, right?

Kevin

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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Kevin,

Congratulations on the new World Record(s)! Also, thank you for posting about the training and preparation leading up to the effort - very interesting!

Michael
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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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Freakin awesome ride! I watched most of it. I can't imagine the amount of suffering that took. Nearly 49.2 km!! Holy hell.


Thanks everybody. That one kind of hurt a little... I am super stoked. The ride is up on Strava now.

Congratulations Kevin! Love your blog

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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Reading about you now...Smashing!
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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [LifeTri] [ In reply to ]
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as i finished writing this up and publishing it, with photos, on the front page, kevin remembered he had a gopro video of this. which i also stuck into that article. here's the video:



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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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Dude, it's Dennis R formerly RCSWC. Congrats on an awesome job. Delighted to see you're still in top form. Just curious if you've considered shorter cranks. Many of the cyclists I've coached find less resistance at tdc (hip flexibility) with shorter cranks. You can test this by doing high-power/low rpm (~55-60rpm) single legs on a CompuTrainer (full aero position) or equivalent. Feel how challenging it is or isn't going over the top. Shorter cranks, higher seat often gets higher cadence for same power.


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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [Cousin Elwood] [ In reply to ]
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Great job, that is an outstanding accomplishment! Thanks for taking us along for the ride!
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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [Cousin Elwood] [ In reply to ]
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Cousin Elwood wrote:
Dude, it's Dennis R formerly RCSWC. Congrats on an awesome job. Delighted to see you're still in top form. Just curious if you've considered shorter cranks. Many of the cyclists I've coached find less resistance at tdc (hip flexibility) with shorter cranks. You can test this by doing high-power/low rpm (~55-60rpm) single legs on a CompuTrainer (full aero position) or equivalent. Feel how challenging it is or isn't going over the top. Shorter cranks, higher seat often gets higher cadence for same power.
Increasing saddle height can be a doubled edged aero sword.

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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so is the dehydration exacerbated by the "people are in the next urine so it's hard to pee" syndrome?
must be tough peeing in front of someone on demand!
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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [arca_tern] [ In reply to ]
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so is the dehydration exacerbated by the "people are in the next urine so it's hard to pee" syndrome?
must be tough peeing in front of someone on demand!

At 56 it's probably less of an issue than it might have been in my 20's. Now IDGAF. :-) But I didn't even bother to try for the first couple of hours until I got some water into me.

The guy was pretty funny though in that there were two urinals next to each other and as I was trying to get things going he said, "sometimes this helps" and started flushing the other toilet again and again. Not sure if that was the key, but I was able to do what I needed to do.

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [Cousin Elwood] [ In reply to ]
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Cousin Elwood wrote:
Dude, it's Dennis R formerly RCSWC. Congrats on an awesome job. Delighted to see you're still in top form. Just curious if you've considered shorter cranks. Many of the cyclists I've coached find less resistance at tdc (hip flexibility) with shorter cranks. You can test this by doing high-power/low rpm (~55-60rpm) single legs on a CompuTrainer (full aero position) or equivalent. Feel how challenging it is or isn't going over the top. Shorter cranks, higher seat often gets higher cadence for same power.

Hey Dennis. I know some guys who have used shorter cranks and I'm interested in the idea but inertia and the logistics of getting shorter cranks and testing has kept me from going any further.

Kevin

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [nslckevin] [ In reply to ]
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I played with them for a while, at the suggestion of Frank Day. He replaced my Power Cranks on my Trek with a pair that are drilled for multiple lengths. I found torque reduced somewhat as I went shorter (all the way to 90mm for a short time). I found that, due to tight hips (that's just asking for a joke) I could pedal a lot faster with no restrictions. I was turning 125-140 on Danville Bl and it was less tiring. Torque only matters for acceleration and steep climbs. Horsepower didn't seem to suffer. I never tested it with CT or PM, but my ride times to San Ramon seemed quicker. At 90mm it was all I could do to get up the hill from Alcosta headed east on Bollinger. Probably a 15-18% grade. Also not great for accelerating after looking both ways and finding a hole in traffic to cross a busy street. But for the rest of my ride, which was mostly flat, they felt good after a really short period of adjustment. I was riding down a few gears and spinning much faster. I think I settled on 150 as the best compromise, but if I were summiting Diablo, I'd definitely prefer 170 or better. But then I'm the world's worst climber. All my best races were basically flat.


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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [arca_tern] [ In reply to ]
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Absolutely true but for a drop of 10 cm you only raise the saddle 5 (<2") which reduces all 10 cm from the top of the stroke. I'm 10 years older than Kevin and it makes a huge difference for me. Chris Kautz, who was my aero guru always said "power outranks aero." If you get a few tics more aero and lose sustainable wattage, it's a bad trade. Most of the guys I've worked with see improvements in both bike split and run times with shorter cranks.


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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [Cousin Elwood] [ In reply to ]
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Cousin Elwood wrote:
Absolutely true but for a drop of 10 cm you only raise the saddle 5 (<2") which reduces all 10 cm from the top of the stroke. I'm 10 years older than Kevin and it makes a huge difference for me. Chris Kautz, who was my aero guru always said "power outranks aero." If you get a few tics more aero and lose sustainable wattage, it's a bad trade. Most of the guys I've worked with see improvements in both bike split and run times with shorter cranks.
Having tested quite a few, including more than one hour record holder, it's just not always the case that raising the saddle even a little is a good trade off. The simple fact is it's individually variable. It's worth trying but it's not a given it will result in a better outcome.

As for what trumps what in hour records, minimal sustainable lap times trump all else.

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Re: 55-59 world hour record attempt tonight (7/15) ~8-8:30 central time [AlexS] [ In reply to ]
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Can't say as I disagree, but coaching during the Jan Ulrich era I had to talk a lot of guys out of trying ride his position. Yeah, reduced drag buys you something, but most of the guys I tested on CompuTrainer produced significantly more watts in a slightly less aero position with greater comfort, which translated into noticeably better bike splits and less trouble getting upright again off the bike. As to raising the saddle, as all Slowtwitchers know, saddles are always too high when you go in for a fitting. I don't like raising the saddle as a stand alone goal, because it's leg angles and power production that matter. For old farts like me, lacking flexibility, having an extra 20 cm (going from 170 to 150mm) gave me a significant power boost in the aero bars because I didn't have to flex my tight hips nearly as far. Did feel weird for the first week or so being f\4" further from the ground. When I tested at 90mm it felt like an old time bigwheel bike and I thought I needed a step ladder to get on - felt very weird. As always, YMMV. Since Kevin isn't particularly tall, 175 cranks strike me as being longer than optimal. Just my 2¢. Since he's an old friend whom I haven't seen in about six years, I thought I'd share the thought. For me, anything is worth trying. Changing cranks isn't hard to do nor particularly expensive and a little time on a CompuTrainer would provide a definitive answer.


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