No, this sounds like Constitutional rights.

I meet all that criteria, except I'm not a Trump supporter. I don't feel attacked. I think there are different segments of society that show contempt for people with some of those traits - but I've never felt attacked. I might feel differently if I attended something at Berkeley or at some leftist rallies - but overall, no.

I'm pretty sure you don't have a constitutional right to not be "attacked" for pretty much anything, including all those things.

Are you talking about speech? (Both the criticism and defense of the list of traits)

Attacked? No. But, I'm covered in tattoos, so people have been "judging" me for years, so I am used to the tut-tut crowd (which consists of people from all political persuasions).

Trump seems to be giving a certain segment of the population the green light to speak up about "issues" that are not issues. He is pushing segments of Right to take a page from the Team Donkey playbook and cry victim.

This stuff happened long before Trump. Remember Obama's comments about clutching guns and Bibles? Remember Romney's comments about the 47% who pay no taxes?

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Yeah, I'm pretty much all those except a Christian.

I've only ever felt attacked once for any of them and that was for being a male. A female colleague sent around the results of survey that showed that females don't think males help out enough in academic programs.

I'm an atheist, which I think are held in less esteem than even Muslims by many Americans, yet I've never even felt attacked for that.

I'm not talking about being attacked.

Freedom of religion and the 2nd Amendment; many people, even if they don't own a gun, and aren't particularly religious, bristle at attempts to take away or curtail Constitutional rights.

As far as free speech, there have been many occasions recently, where white, christian males, were basically told to sit down, and shut up. That they didn't have a voice in whatever 'conversation' was going on.

Yeah, if not wanting to pay for someone else's birth control is a "War on Women", and "taking away their reproductive rights", it's pretty easy to see how other groups might now feel "under attack."

It's fascinating.

As he alternates these posts with vulgar jokes. Pretty tasteless, "locker room" stuff that you would think anybody would know not just to broadcast on Facebook. My mother has said he is "disgusting" as a result of these posts.

It's also interesting that in at that bottom of the post about being attacked for those things, it said something like " I'm kind, don't discriminate and just want to be treated decently."

I'm not sure who's treating him so badly. He's management at a utility company, not exactly some peon.

He also routinely refers to black people as niggers and I've heard him actually say "I would never hire a towel head" in reference to Muslims.

So he actually is guilty of some of the things people accuse "deplorables" of being yet he's playing up the victim card on social media.

Right. It's also the first time a prominent Republican politician gave legitimacy and power to those sentiments, as far as I can tell. There's always been the Pat Buchanan faction of the right, but Trump is really the first one to channel it through Average Joe populism. I suppose that was inevitable, as the left moves further left into identity and victimhood politics. It's been building on the right for some time now.

I wouldn't at all say I feel attacked, but I will say it's undeniable to anyone paying attention that people are increasingly viewing progress and success as a zero sum game and that "cis" white males are the power structure that needs to be upended. Society seems to be far less concerned about the plight of men (white men in particular) even though the data suggests that men are falling behind the curve in substantial numbers, in areas that really matter. Drug abuse, unemployment, suicide, college admissions, homelessness, etc.

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Is that what the first amendment protects?

It's probably time to check on that privilege.

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How does Danny Hart sit down with balls that big?

In progress...

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Had it too easy for too long :)

Even among the "high achieving" students we get in our professional graduate program which is usually skewed toward females, it seems like the slackers are always males. Probably flunk out rate is similar male/female but it seems like every cohort there are a few males who are just chronic slackers.

I do the hiring for my law firm. Female law school grads seem to be out-pacing their male counterparts. I hired 3 women in a row and, in all three cases, I struggled to find male candidates worthy of even making it through the screening process to get to the interview process. In my little corner of the world, it sure seems like the women are simply working harder and achieving more as a result.

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Your uncle sounds a lot like.. ChrisCooper's character in "American Beauty"...

That movie has been on my list to watch again for a long time. I remember it as excellent.

So that is the other side exercising their free speech rights to say shut the f up and sit down. It isn't taking away the white folks ability to say whatever the hell they want. They just don't have to be given a platform to do it. But they could put it on a website for anyone to see.

It's interesting how you rarely see right wing protesters shutting down progressive speakers and taking away their platforms.

Why is that?

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Horse pucky. It absolutely goes both ways.

I’m another one that hits every one of those boxes, minus trump supporter.

I live in a very, very liberal (but not Cali-liberal ;) ) house, city(ish), and state. There are times where people speak out against a lot of these different boxes here, but I don’t feel personally attacked. I feel like people are expressing their views and opinions, and they might stand for things that I don’t, and I might stand for things they don’t. But that’s human nature. If everyone had the exact same views, what fun would that be? (:

Now I will agree that there are people on all sides that convey their message poorly, and I have been “shamed” that I am a white male so it’s my fault that people are treated poorly, and that I am a Christian so I must not believe in science. However, maybe it’s my rather relaxed attitude about life, but I don’t feel personally attacked by those people. I just feel that they don’t understand my views or life, so I will attempt to help them understand what my life is like and what my views are, and I will attempt to do the same about them. I don’t think of it as attacking me, more then just not understanding.

Oh well, who knows what i’m even saying anymore, I’ve got to go to class now 🤷🏼‍♂️

Prove it.

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Because conservatives are no longer culturally ascendant?

I can't. Just my perception.
Maybe it's because right wingers realize the left is always right. ;)

Now that you mention it, I don't identify myself as a Christian any longer. I still "support" those who do believe and will often defend them against people who hate anything Christian. Anytime there is an article on Yahoo about Christianity, the haters appear in droves. I usually avoid those discussions.

Out of curiosity, who did that to you?

How can you be responsible for things you didn't actually do or believe?

I used to be Mormon. I was never a good one, always struggled with their truth claims, and only stayed in for family reason. My wife and I eventually left. I have a sister-in-law who, since then and to this day, will barely speak with me and won't have her kids around me. She's apparently afraid that my heathen ways will unduly influence her kids. Thing is, when I was Mormon, I was always a bad Mormon who swore, drank, smoked cigars, and rarely attended church. As a bad Mormon, I also often criticized the church at any opportunity. But not that I'm out, I rarely if ever talk about, especially around family, and I don't nearly drink as much. But, in her mind, it's still worse.

One time in my BA degree program a female professor overtly attacked males in general and myself in particular in the first class in that session. She pointed me out (in uniform), as the reason for females being "downtrodden and persecuted" and then ranted about how men were the reason for every problem in our civilization, all while pointing at me when mentioning war, military, police abuse of minorities, etc, etc. She ended with a flat statement that males would not be granted any grades above 80% in her class to "make up" for our failings.

That diatribe took up the first hour of class so she let us out on a break afterwards. I asked her how those general problems would fairly be assigned to the individuals in her class and she told me to "suck it up, buttercup" and turned away to talk to a female who was also against her position.

During the break I and several other students went to the Dean's office to complain about the professor's statements. He went to the classroom, closed the door and when he came out, he asked for us (all the students in that class) to meet with him in the break room. He apologized for the statements, said that they were not the position of the school and that the professor would be terminated based on not following school policies on appropriate grading for students.

The dean was our professor for that class that day and a new professor was there the following classes.

This was back in 1993 at a private, for profit university, in Southern California. Today I would not be surprised if white males faced overt discrimination as a normal policy without any support from the administrators at public and private universities in some programs.

I'm all for religious freedom even if I think they are pretty much all built on spurious metaphysical claims.

I mostly take issue with in name only Christians.

At some level, I like what Jesus was about, maybe it's the iconoclast in me. Many Christians don't really seem to care all that much for what he was about. I mean you can't really get much further from Jesus' message than the prosperity preachers and the like.

I would bet the exact same thing would happen. You are protected legally against that sort of discrimination. It would only take getting it to the level in the chain of command that understands that.

The best Christians I know are atheists or agnostic.

Have you called him on it?

My mom and sister, and quite a few of their friends, and a few people at my college.

And that’s their point of view that I don’t necasarily understand 🤷🏼‍♂️

I'm calling BS on your whole story.

No male of any ethnicity would use that emoji for any reason.

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Fixed that for you.

I'm about as WASPy a guy as you can get, and I struggled quite a bit to get where I am today. I used to bristle at terms like "male privilege" because, after all, I'm living proof that even us white guys have to struggle to get our piece of the pie. I didn't want to hear other people complain about how it was too hard for them to make it. It was hard for me too! Suck it up, Buttercup! Don't use your gender or ethnicity as an entitlement to the stuff I worked so hard for!

Then I started paying some attention to what was actually going on around me. Sure, I struggled, but I started to see how certain others had to struggle harder than I did to get to the same place. It was because at every turn they were swimming against a slightly faster current. It wasn't (usually) overt, but I started to see that there were a million little stumbling blocks that others (mostly women and minorities) had to swerve around that I never had to. I definitely worked hard. They had to work harder.

So when I feel "attacked" for being a white guy, I remind myself that what someone is really doing (unless they're being a dick) is letting me know that maybe their struggles might be a little tougher than I might think, if I'm using my own experience as a yardstick.

Also, most people would consider me an atheist, which is synonymous with child-eater to many people, so I do get legitimately "attacked" for that at times. Fun!

This exactly. I meet the criteria and I didn't vote for trump either. I've never felt "attacked". There are times I self censor because there is so much hysteria these days that at times it just doesn't seem worth it to engage.

I've been attacked for being white or male or hetero way more than I've ever been attacked for atheist. Not that I'm attacked all that often, it's just never for atheist. I guess it depends on the type of people you're around. I must hang out with more lefties than you. Also, attacked is a pretty strong word. I prefer the more modern "had shade thrown my way" for something.

I think this comes from watching too much foxnews.

My mother, retired for 10 years, has foxnews on 24x7. A few years ago she asked about buying a gun, she wanted one in case Obama banned them; she’s never fired a gun and never had any interest in them previously. In her rural community, everyone is Christian, but she’s convinced that there is a war on Christmas (and I can’t figure out how this would affect her even if there was a war on Christmas).

Well, if there's a war on Christmas she's probably going to need a gun so she can get in the fight, right...;)

Does it change your stance if I point out that I am 18 years old? ;)

Just another one of them damn millennials...

Nah, your not even a millennial. The youngest Millennial was born in 1996 and turns 22 this year (according to Earnst and Young, and Pew, 23 according to PWC)

Oh okay, according to Pew i’m a gen z!

Shit, I’ve been given so much crap my whole life by adults for being a millennial I don’t know how to feel about being a gen z!

Ah, oh well. I’m still the same person I was before this revelation (:

I don't feel particularly done by but then I'm only three out of the five. But I expect some of Trump's base supporters would consider me "elitist" for having a post secondary education.

When was the last time you read an article or saw something on the news that was positive about any of these things?

Don't sell yourself short. Remember, having "Vote Trump" written in chalk was enough for some snowflakes to declare that they felt literally, physically threatened.

Straight -- That's me, but I've never felt any hint of discrimination because of it, even when I was the only straight person in my office.

Christian -- I'd probably be labeled most closely as Christian, even with my stance that Christianity doesn't lay claim to a truth that's superior to anything else (and the same could be said for any other faith, spiritual practice, or atheistic practice for that matter). While my beliefs have been challenged and I've had to learn to support them, they've never actually been attacked or threatened in any actual way. Where they have been threatened for some Christians with certain beliefs is how they've been challenged in public policy, i.e. not making public policy solely out of one's religious beliefs that are not also held by the rest of society. Case in point, gay marriage, which is absolutely not an attack on those who believe it's against their Christianity (I happen to know that it is not) because gay marriage is about civil marriage, not a requirement for the church to perform gay marriage ceremonies.

Gun rights -- I'm a gun owner and haven't felt like my right to own guns is being attacked at all. I'm all for sensible regulations against the types of guns people can obtain and think the fear mongering about getting more guns in the hands of "good guys" is rubbish. Guns aren't a moral right and the 2nd amendment has taken on a completely different meaning in today's society than what it was intended for at our founding. Calling sensible regulations an "attack on 2A rights" is a red herring.

Male -- I don't have to look far to see who leads businesses, institutions, and government in this country to recognize that the claim of males being under attack is also bogus. I wish males weren't consistently portrayed as bumbling idiots in sitcoms and comedy films, though. Those stereotypes do irritate me, but the only thing that I think is being strongly challenged about males is the hyper "faux-masculine" side of being male, i.e. the notion that being a "real man" is being someone who's gigantic, strong, loud, boisterous, pursues material and financial success in business, is into sports, etc. That's a part of being male to some, but there's more to being male than that, so I'm all for that notion being challenged. Males wear a lot of masks. Lewis Howes did a good podcast on the Tony Robbins show about this recently and published a book about it, which I haven't read yet but have borrowed the audio version of to listen to this week.

Really, most of these claims of "attack" when there isn't an attack are just projections of insecurity from the one claiming they're being attacked. There's really nothing rational behind it.

I find it amusing that so many white males are whining about the shitty view from the back of the bus now that all the womens and coloreds have decided to crowd to the front; Efernand and the rest of the Trumpers apparently don't like how the shoe fits once it's on the other foot. It's only taken less than half a generation to grow tired of the reality that women and minorities have been living under for the last 200+ years here in the U.S.

Funny, I didn't hear the same guys rushing to LeBron's defense when Ingraham told him he should just shut up and dribble...

Of course not (only got 4 out of 5). I am sometimes called an elitist baby-murdering libtard, but who cares? Far too big an industry on both sides dedicated to victimhood.

You think so? How did that work out at Boston University?


https://www.cnn.com/...ce-tweets/index.html




Online fury over Boston University professor's tweets on race



By Katia Hetter, CNN
Updated 1:54 PM ET, Wed May 13, 2015




The Boston University community is debating incoming professor Saida Grundy's tweets on race and gender.
Story highlights

• An incoming Boston University professor's personal tweets on race are debated online
• While some call for her firing, others stand in solidarity with her

(CNN)Fury erupted this month over incoming Boston University sociology and African-American studies professor Saida Grundy's tweets about white men, race and slavery.
College student Nick Pappas wrote about Grundy's tweets on his website SoCawlege.com a week ago with the headline "Boston University assistant professor Saida Grundy attacks whites, makes false statements on Twitter."

Controversy erupted over tweets by incoming Boston University assistant professor Saida Grundy.
Pappas, who will be a senior at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst next school year, launched the site last fall, intending it as a conservative BuzzFeed-style website.
Grundy, a sociologist who studies race, gender and class, received her doctorate last year from the University of Michigan's joint program in sociology and women's studies. She is to start work in a tenure-track position at Boston University -- the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s alma mater -- on July 1.
Her personal Twitter account has since been made private, but the Boston Globe reported some of the tweets: "why is white america so reluctant to identify white college males as a problem population?" and "every MLK week i commit myself to not spending a dime in white-owned businesses. and every year i find it nearly impossible."
"Why are young white males a singled out issue to you Ms. Grundy, as opposed to all young males?" asked the SoCawlege article. "If you are going to work at Boston University you have to teach college aged white males eventually no?"
And the Twitter fight was on.
Twitter user @ClairelyParker wrote, "Okay to be a racist professor as long as you target the "white" race @BU_Tweets #BostonUniversity #SaidaGrundy SHAME ON YOU Boston U."
Another, @PossumAndPintos, tweeted "@greywoolhat Why does Boston University employ bigots? like @saigrundy @BU_Tweets This is what bigotry looks like pic.twitter.com/EC6H61nkNn."
Her supporters also came out in force.
"I find it deplorable that #SaidaGrundy has been labeled a racist and a bigot for speaking an inconvenient truth. #ISupportSaida," tweeted @raulspeaks.
"Only in an inherently racist system can YOU be a racist for calling out racism. That's where we are. #SaidaGrundy," tweeted @sunnydaejones.
The online petition supporting Grundy has more than 2,000 signatories, while the petition demanding that she be fired has more than 200 signatories as of Wednesday morning.
A few days after the debate went into overdrive, Grundy made a statement to the Boston Globe.
"I regret that my personal passion about issues surrounding these events led me to speak about them indelicately," she said in the statement. Issues of race "are uncomfortable for all of us, and, yet, the events we now witness with regularity in our nation tell us that we can no longer circumvent the problems of difference with strategies of silence."
Boston University President Robert Brown weighed in, defending Grundy's right to express her opinions but expressing "concern and disappointment" about her tweets.

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Millennials. In October 2004, researchers Neil Howe and William Strauss called Millennials "the next great generation," which is funny. They define the group as "as those born in 1982 and approximately the 20 years thereafter." In 2012, they affixed the end point as 2004.

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Dammit, so I am?! How the hell do I decide who to listen to? What am I? Who am I??

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If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Was reading yahoo and found this.


http://www.foxnews.com/...nly-two-genders.html


A religious studies major was barred from Christianity class at Indiana University of Pennsylvania for saying during class that there are only two genders.
Lake Ingle, a senior at the university, said he was silenced and punished by IUP Professor Alison Downie for questioning her during a Feb. 28 “Christianity 481: Self, Sin, and Salvation” lecture.


After showing a 15-minute TED Talk by transgender ex-pastor Paula Stone Williams discussing the “reality” of “mansplaining,” “sexism from men,” and “male privilege,” the professor asked the women in the class to share their thoughts. When no women in the class said anything, Ingle spoke up, challenging the professor on biology and the gender wage gap.


He told the class that the official view of biologists is that there are only two genders.

The feminist professor booted him from class and asked him not to come back. She referred him to the public university’s Academic Integrity Board (AIB). Ingle needs to complete the class to graduate at the end of the semester.

Ha, suck it world! I knew I was special!

;)

It's true, though there's some context to those situations (some are intentionally engineered)

Though since the subject line has the word "attack" it's fair to keep in mind the the more extreme right-wing protesters are pretty lethal. Very recently, the stabbing of Blaze Bernstein (for being gay and Jewish), Charlottesville car ramming, Portland train attack, etc. The "Atomwaffen" among other extremists groups enact extreme right-wing ideology with lethal effect.

By comparison I don't believe there's a single documented fatality caused by antifa (the modern U.S.-based variety), despite the breathless coverage of antifa by the conservative media.

Both death and risk of death stifle speech.

No, getting into a discussion of that sort on Facebook couldn't possibly end well.

How does the attack go for being hetero? That just doesn't make any sense to me if we are going to buy into the "people are born that way" line of reasoning.

Was there evidence she actually discriminated against students in the classroom similar to the example vechia gave?

And so what happened?

Just because a professor does it, doesn't mean it will stand or that there aren't any legal repercussions because she may have broke the law.

That being said, I'm not sure just being misguided is a protected class, unless he claims his ignorance is religious based :) On the other hand I can't see what legal grounds she would have for kicking him out of class either.

It's not so much levied as a personal attack, but as a way to delegitimize an argument by framing the person as speaking from a place of hetero privilege and thus ignorant to or immune from how things "really are" among the oppressed.

Objective reality can not, apparently, be identified and critiqued unless you share all the necessary traits in common. It's why Intersectional Feminism spends most of its ammo in crossfire.

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Apparently this is ongoing. Note the last sentence of the article. He needs to complete the class to graduate at the end of the semester. In other words, 4 years of school, ready to graduate but may not be able to because of this. That is a significant thing, don't you think?

It’s very significant.

Does driving their car into the progressive protesters count? Took away a lot more than a platform.

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Yes, that would fit squarely into the "rarely" category I described.

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Does murdering someone in Charlottesville count?

Not gonna lie, that's a weird bump from three months ago, especially since someone said the same thing two posts above you