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Which brand of latex tubes would you pair with GP4000iis 700x23 on HED Jet Black 60/90 and Disc?

Are they all basically the same or are the Vittoria, Bontrager, Specialized, or Michelin's any better than the rest?

Thanks for you recommendations!
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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I’m using the pink Vittorias in the same setup as you. No issues. Don’t forget your rim tape though.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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Vittorias have worked well for me, use them in Vittoria Corsa and GP4000II. Main advantage is removable valve core, so can use the same tube in standard or deep rims with a proper valve extender (moves valve out to end of extender). The open-end extenders that go over the valve have always given me trouble.

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [ergopower] [ In reply to ]
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What type of problem did the valve extenders give you?
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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I love my Vittoria tubes. Not a single road failure yet.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [jimatbeyond] [ In reply to ]
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Changing a tube on the side of the road with deep rims, I pulled out my spare tube with simple tubular extender already mounted and found the hand pump wouldn't generate enough pressure to push down the valve (which was definitely left open). Had to take the tubular extender off and push down the valve manually to free it. Has happened at least twice.

Every once in a great while when topping off a tire, I will notice that a valve needs extra force to push it open after unscrewing the lock nut; I have no idea what causes that, but it's never an issue if the valve is out at the end of the extender.

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [ergopower] [ In reply to ]
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That seems a bit strange to me. I have been using regular valve extenders for about 31 years and have never had a problem.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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While I have no data, the green Michelin latex tubes 'feel' much thinner and more supple than the Vittoria tubes. Not sure if that means anything though. I bought some Bontrager latex tubes just before IM Texas last year as they were the only ones I could find locally. I was charged about $25.00 per tube if I remember correctly. I have found the Vittoria latex for sale online for $3.99 and bought four of them. I should have bought twenty.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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NewbieTri100 wrote:
Which brand of latex tubes would you pair with GP4000iis 700x23 on HED Jet Black 60/90 and Disc?
Are they all basically the same or are the Vittoria, Bontrager, Specialized, or Michelin's any better than the rest?
Thanks for you recommendations!
I've used Vredestein latex in my GP4000s for past five years (switched to Conti TT this year). Come pre-powdered, never a flat/problem and come with removable cores. Just throwing out another option
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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NewbieTri100 wrote:
Which brand of latex tubes would you pair with GP4000iis 700x23 on HED Jet Black 60/90 and Disc?

Are they all basically the same or are the Vittoria, Bontrager, Specialized, or Michelin's any better than the rest?

Thanks for you recommendations!

I have used them all and have been on Vittoria Latex for the last many years. Although Josh at Silca is coming out with some branded latex tubes which are *pink* but have shorter valve stems which would be ideal for disc rims.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [ergopower] [ In reply to ]
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Changing a tube on the side of the road with deep rims, I pulled out my spare tube with simple tubular extender already mounted and found the hand pump wouldn't generate enough pressure to push down the valve (which was definitely left open). Had to take the tubular extender off and push down the valve manually to free it. Has happened at least twice.

Every once in a great while when topping off a tire, I will notice that a valve needs extra force to push it open after unscrewing the lock nut; I have no idea what causes that, but it's never an issue if the valve is out at the end of the extender.


I always take a bent paperclip with me for that reason: also necessary when you want to let out rest air out of the tube, that is when the tube looses air but you can't get the outer tire off because there is still rest air in the tube.
I furthermore secure the lock nut in an open position with locktite.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [hblake] [ In reply to ]
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While I have no data, the green Michelin latex tubes 'feel' much thinner and more supple than the Vittoria tubes. Not sure if that means anything though.

Same experience here; had been using the Michelin tubes for a couple of years and then couldn't get any long-valved ones when I needed them, so gave the pink Vittoria ones a try.

I swear the Vittorias are slower and even started a thread to that effect but was politely told that the margins between different latex tubes are negligible.

I'm still waiting for them to pop so that I can replace them with some Michelins again :)
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone have any experience running latex full time. Is this possible/advisable?

It would be one less thing to "change" right before my race. I am riding pancake flat training so heat buildup in descents won't be an issue (if that is one, so I hear). Don't mind pumping up every ride so not concerned about that either.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [TravelingTri] [ In reply to ]
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TravelingTri wrote:
Does anyone have any experience running latex full time. Is this possible/advisable?

It would be one less thing to "change" right before my race. I am riding pancake flat training so heat buildup in descents won't be an issue (if that is one, so I hear). Don't mind pumping up every ride so not concerned about that either.
Yes, I do. I have been running the Michelin Latex with GP4000s for years now, both for racing and training on 404FC rims and not ever had a tyre related problem. The roads I ride are the roughest crappiest gravelly pot holed debris ridden roads you have seen short of a jaunt through a smashed glass factory but it has all been reliable so far. Hills no probs either.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
NewbieTri100 wrote:
Which brand of latex tubes would you pair with GP4000iis 700x23 on HED Jet Black 60/90 and Disc?

Are they all basically the same or are the Vittoria, Bontrager, Specialized, or Michelin's any better than the rest?

Thanks for you recommendations!


I have used them all and have been on Vittoria Latex for the last many years. Although Josh at Silca is coming out with some branded latex tubes which are *pink* but have shorter valve stems which would be ideal for disc rims.

Wow, $25 per tube at Amazon right now. I need some for this season but at that price I be shopping elsewhere.

It looks like Micheline is a good deal from overseas at around $8 per tube.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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That's definitely price-gouging; the Vittorias are usually around the same price as the Michelins if not a bit cheaper.

e.g. http://www.wiggle.co.uk/...ia-latex-inner-tube/
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Slunnie] [ In reply to ]
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Perfect and thanks. Going to give it a shot. Trying to minimize the amount of race day changes and variables from the norm.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [TravelingTri] [ In reply to ]
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TravelingTri wrote:
Does anyone have any experience running latex full time. Is this possible/advisable?
I run latex full time also. No reason not to. Inner tubes do not wear out. And, to your point, everything you change before a race introduces a failure risk.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [TravelingTri] [ In reply to ]
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I run latex, and then carry butyl tire in case of flats (which rarely happen)

Random story. I once had a 1†nail go through my tire and get stuck in the rim. When I finally got It out, the latex tube wasn’t punctured!
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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svennn wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
NewbieTri100 wrote:
Which brand of latex tubes would you pair with GP4000iis 700x23 on HED Jet Black 60/90 and Disc?

Are they all basically the same or are the Vittoria, Bontrager, Specialized, or Michelin's any better than the rest?

Thanks for you recommendations!


I have used them all and have been on Vittoria Latex for the last many years. Although Josh at Silca is coming out with some branded latex tubes which are *pink* but have shorter valve stems which would be ideal for disc rims.

Wow, $25 per tube at Amazon right now. I need some for this season but at that price I be shopping elsewhere.

It looks like Micheline is a good deal from overseas at around $8 per tube.

Thats 25 bucks for 2 tubes which is about normal price for them.

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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Mostly Vittoria pinks with Conti GP4000IIS tires. Knock on wood, not a single flat tire in the past 4 years.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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stevej wrote:
svennn wrote:
Wow, $25 per tube at Amazon right now. I need some for this season but at that price I be shopping elsewhere.

It looks like Micheline is a good deal from overseas at around $8 per tube.


Thats 25 bucks for 2 tubes which is about normal price for them.

Damn, reading fail on my part.

I can live with that price for two tubes.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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What size Vittoria latex tube do I select for a 700x38 gravel tire? There road specs only go up to 25s. Is there a conversion on the 26x and 27x size tubes?
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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My question is are latex tubes patched the same way as rubber tubes?

Thanks.

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [hblake] [ In reply to ]
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hblake wrote:


My question is are latex tubes patched the same way as rubber tubes?

Thanks.


My assumption is that most folks use latex tubes as an upgrade for slightly less rolling resistance, and probably wouldn't bother patching a damaged one for fear that it might blow during an important race and/or affect the rolling resistance...


But, to your question:

http://weightweenies.starbike.com/...ewtopic.php?t=146492
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [TravelingTri] [ In reply to ]
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TravelingTri wrote:
Does anyone have any experience running latex full time. Is this possible/advisable?

It would be one less thing to "change" right before my race. I am riding pancake flat training so heat buildup in descents won't be an issue (if that is one, so I hear). Don't mind pumping up every ride so not concerned about that either.

Yes it is fine. If you are riding latex though in training chances are you are interested in going fast. In which cases you should probably be swapping out tires as well for races.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [TJ56] [ In reply to ]
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Challenge makes latex tubes for 700x38 tires.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [svennn] [ In reply to ]
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svennn wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
NewbieTri100 wrote:
Which brand of latex tubes would you pair with GP4000iis 700x23 on HED Jet Black 60/90 and Disc?

Are they all basically the same or are the Vittoria, Bontrager, Specialized, or Michelin's any better than the rest?

Thanks for you recommendations!


I have used them all and have been on Vittoria Latex for the last many years. Although Josh at Silca is coming out with some branded latex tubes which are *pink* but have shorter valve stems which would be ideal for disc rims.


Wow, $25 per tube at Amazon right now. I need some for this season but at that price I be shopping elsewhere.

It looks like Micheline is a good deal from overseas at around $8 per tube.

Yeah you can usually find them cheaper overseas. I am not fan of Michelin for the fact they don't have removable cores.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [hblake] [ In reply to ]
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hblake wrote:


My question is are latex tubes patched the same way as rubber tubes?

Thanks.

It has come up before on here but this isn't something I have done. It can be done from what I know but I never have tried and can't speak to it.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
svennn wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
NewbieTri100 wrote:
Which brand of latex tubes would you pair with GP4000iis 700x23 on HED Jet Black 60/90 and Disc?

Are they all basically the same or are the Vittoria, Bontrager, Specialized, or Michelin's any better than the rest?

Thanks for you recommendations!


I have used them all and have been on Vittoria Latex for the last many years. Although Josh at Silca is coming out with some branded latex tubes which are *pink* but have shorter valve stems which would be ideal for disc rims.


Wow, $25 per tube at Amazon right now. I need some for this season but at that price I be shopping elsewhere.

It looks like Micheline is a good deal from overseas at around $8 per tube.

Yeah you can usually find them cheaper overseas. I am not fan of Michelin for the fact they don't have removable cores.

This.

Consider the specific use. For example, a H3/Renn combo is perfect for the Michelin because the Valve Stem is the perfect length. For deep wheels, Vittoria/Challenge would be preferable due to the RVC.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [P McCatty] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:

Yeah you can usually find them cheaper overseas. I am not fan of Michelin for the fact they don't have removable cores.


This.

Consider the specific use. For example, a H3/Renn combo is perfect for the Michelin because the Valve Stem is the perfect length. For deep wheels, Vittoria/Challenge would be preferable due to the RVC.

Yep and I am pretty sure this is where Josh at Silica found an opportunity to make latex tubes providing a Vittoria like durability and RVC, with the shorty stem of Michelin.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
P McCatty wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:

Yeah you can usually find them cheaper overseas. I am not fan of Michelin for the fact they don't have removable cores.


This.

Consider the specific use. For example, a H3/Renn combo is perfect for the Michelin because the Valve Stem is the perfect length. For deep wheels, Vittoria/Challenge would be preferable due to the RVC.

Yep and I am pretty sure this is where Josh at Silica found an opportunity to make latex tubes providing a Vittoria like durability and RVC, with the shorty stem of Michelin.

Silca makes latex tubes? Did I miss something?

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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I have two that were sent to me to test out but no idea on future availability of sale to public. If I had to guess they are made by Vittoria to Silca spec with a shorter valve stem. I haven’t seen anyone else talk about them and maybe I wasn’t supposed to mentioned it but I did. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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 Interesting. I was hoping about a year ago that Silca would come out with their own. If they come out with a shorter valve stem, I'm going to have to redo all my valve extenders. :(

Thanks

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [stevej] [ In reply to ]
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The best way to patch latex tubes is by using a bit of an old latex tube and superglue.
Normal tyre glue squirms and the patches usually develop slow leaks.
Superglue just works and is ready in seconds.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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I really like Challenge latex. Removable valve cores, never had a bad one, good selection of sizes, and not too expensive.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [FindinFreestyle] [ In reply to ]
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I really like Challenge latex. Removable valve cores, never had a bad one, good selection of sizes, and not too expensive.

It has been about six years since I used a Challenge latex tube. Do they still come with greasy coating?


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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what is the stem length on the Vittoria's?
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [tlc13] [ In reply to ]
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51 mm

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tlc13 wrote:
what is the stem length on the Vittoria's?

51mm

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/...r-tube/rp-prod124087


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [FindinFreestyle] [ In reply to ]
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I really like Challenge latex. Removable valve cores, never had a bad one, good selection of sizes, and not too expensive.

I just noticed my local shop has these for about the same price as Vittoria. I think I'll try them out and support my local shop some.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
FindinFreestyle wrote:
I really like Challenge latex. Removable valve cores, never had a bad one, good selection of sizes, and not too expensive.


It has been about six years since I used a Challenge latex tube. Do they still come with greasy coating?

They are talc-ish just like the Vittoria or Michelins. Doesn't talc get greasy if wet? Anyways, I'm another who like Challenge...
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [woodys737] [ In reply to ]
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woodys737 wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
FindinFreestyle wrote:
I really like Challenge latex. Removable valve cores, never had a bad one, good selection of sizes, and not too expensive.


It has been about six years since I used a Challenge latex tube. Do they still come with greasy coating?


They are talc-ish just like the Vittoria or Michelins. Doesn't talc get greasy if wet? Anyways, I'm another who like Challenge...

Sounds like the formula has changed since I last used them. They definitely were not talced way back when like Vittoria, Mich, and Vred.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Sounds like the formula has changed since I last used them. They definitely were not talced way back when like Vittoria, Mich, and Vred.

I noticed a change whenever their packaging changed about 3 years back. When they went from the clear plastic "case" to the paperboard boxes there was a distinct change in the tubes. Tubes seemed less translucent (more pink than red) and also had more talc pre-applied. I currently use the 28-35 mm Challenge tubes for my 25 and 27 mm road tires. My 23 mm TT tires I use the 19-23 mm Vittoria tubes.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [GingerAvenger] [ In reply to ]
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GingerAvenger wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:


Sounds like the formula has changed since I last used them. They definitely were not talced way back when like Vittoria, Mich, and Vred.


I noticed a change whenever their packaging changed about 3 years back. When they went from the clear plastic "case" to the paperboard boxes there was a distinct change in the tubes. Tubes seemed less translucent (more pink than red) and also had more talc pre-applied. I currently use the 28-35 mm Challenge tubes for my 25 and 27 mm road tires. My 23 mm TT tires I use the 19-23 mm Vittoria tubes.

A yes, I was used to the clear plastic case. Sounds like they definitely changed the formula, may have to try Challenge now too.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Going to give Vittoria latex a shot. Never used rim tape before and read it's suggested to use with latex. Any recommendations on brand and size? Velox rim tape 16mm good? Zipp 808 wheels
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [TriathleteWes] [ In reply to ]
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TriathleteWes wrote:
Going to give Vittoria latex a shot. Never used rim tape before and read it's suggested to use with latex. Any recommendations on brand and size? Velox rim tape 16mm good?

I don't like the cloth rim tape myself - I much prefer Stan's Rim Tape. Stan's 21mm tape should work depending on which wheels you have.


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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
I have two that were sent to me to test out but no idea on future availability of sale to public. If I had to guess they are made by Vittoria to Silca spec with a shorter valve stem. I haven’t seen anyone else talk about them and maybe I wasn’t supposed to mentioned it but I did. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

Could you tell them to make long stem ones too? That is the unicorn a lot of the deep dish wheel users want. Some 80mm stems and 110mm (or so) versions would be great to not deal with valve extenders.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
I have two that were sent to me to test out but no idea on future availability of sale to public. If I had to guess they are made by Vittoria to Silca spec with a shorter valve stem. I haven’t seen anyone else talk about them and maybe I wasn’t supposed to mentioned it but I did. Can’t put that genie back in the bottle.

Silca latex tube info on Bikerumor: https://www.bikerumor.com/...ew-larger-seat-roll/
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [SummitAK] [ In reply to ]
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Silca Latex Tubes up for sale!
https://silca.cc/...cts/latex-inner-tube

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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They have 40mm stems too, which means they will be a little easier in a disc. I shall be ordering some of those.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [exxxviii] [ In reply to ]
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I just ordered 2. Now I need to get some new training tires.

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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Ditto... Two new Silca latex tubes on pre-order.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [SummitAK] [ In reply to ]
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Yep, it's official, SILCA latex tubes launch today!

To answer the speculation:

Yes, they are made by Vittoria. We found Vittoria to not only make the most consistent tube, but their latex has a higher temperature resistance than any other we've seen by 20-30F.

These tubes have removable valve cores and use the same ultra-high end valve cores we use in our tubeless stuff... these are the valve cores that are spec'd by all the pro teams for their tubulars and are prized by the Euro pro mechanics (most people have no idea that is even a thing, but it is!)

We are specifying a 42mm valve length, as that works in ALL disc wheels including older Zipp and Lightweight discs: no more using a dremel on your expensive disc.

Lastly, we are sized for 24-30mm which is much more representative of the actual tire sizes everybody is riding today. Note, if you are riding a 23mm tire on a 17+mm rim, it will measure 25mm or more, and falls within the spec.

We will be also be selling these pre-packaged with 40mm or 70mm valve extenders beginning early March.. This made sense to us so that you could purchase tubes and extenders based on variable depth wheels, disc, etc, and packing them together saves a few $$ compared to buying everything separate.

Any other questions, please let me know!
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Congrats on the launch Josh.

I'm curious about trying latex and these look interesting.

These may be dumb questions :):
- Sealant - would you recommend putting sealant in the latex tub for clinchers? I'm planning to use them on Zipp 808 firecrest carbon clinchers with 25m Conti Tyres GP 4000sii. Just for races, I thought sealant might help with any "small" issues.
- Rim tape - what do you recommend? I have Zipp rim tape already, do I need to add another layer for latex or replace my existing rim tape?

Thank you!
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Silca makes great rim tape https://silca.cc/...um-tubeless-rim-tape

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I'll bite.

Why would I buy these for $15 when I can buy the Vittoria ones for $8-9 (or better in bulk)? Is there an advantage to these outside of the shorter stem (the regular Vittoria ones seem to come with 51mm?).

ETA: not trying to be snarky, it's an honest question. I love your stuff!
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I just made the purchase decision, so I can answer as a first-hand consumer. I bought them because I have a rear disc wheel, and the shorter 41mm stems are easier than Vittoria's 51mm stems. The best price I have found on Vittoria tubes has been around $13, so that is worth an extra $2 to me. I just bought two, to use on my rear wheel. As my supply pops over the next few years, I may standardize all my tubes on the shorter stems.
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The shorter stem is a legit reason if you have that concern for sure.

Probikekit has the Vittorias for $10CAD right now which should be closer to $8USD - with 51mm stems of course. If the difference was only $13 vs $15 then it makes a lot more sense to me.
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So why the combo with the threaded valve extenders?

Why not a combo with the RVC extensions?

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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [Zenmaster28] [ In reply to ]
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You beat me to it.
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Maybe use 2 of them per tire?

Next races on the schedule: none at the moment
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TRI@THLETE:

Sealant works great in them, we recommend CafeLatex or OrangeSeal. The CafeLatex seems to have longer life, but the OrangeSeal seems to seal larger punctures a bit faster. We are actually using OrangeSeal with team Bora right now following some 6 months of testing and the results have been really promising.

For rim tape, we recommend using Tubeless tape with adhesive backing that is the full width of the tire well. We make a very high quality tape that we'd love for you to use, but the Stan's tape and ENVE road tape are also very good solutions. The SILCA tape is the thinnest of these options and with 2 wraps on a road wheel will reduce effective the bead seat diameter by around 0.5-1mm compared to other tapes which make tire installation much easier. The smoothness of the tape allows the tube to better settle in the rim and the adhesive backing keeps it from moving during install.

ZENMASTER:

The recommended price for Vittoria and SILCA latex are both $15 which allows retail bike shops to make a few $$ selling them. However, the ProBikeKit business model is about market share and upselling/cross-selling so they often sell items like this at or below their cost to try and drive other business. As a consumer that's a heck of a deal, they are literally selling those for less than wholesale cost of the item. As a business person and responsible member of this industry this situation breaks my heart as the strategy here is more about driving other sellers out of the market than anything else.

STEVEJ

We are now only providing our RVC extenders to wheel manufacturers who both bundle them with wheels and also resell them. Because they are so readily available we are focusing our inventory and sales on threaded extenders with SpeedShield which work on tubeless or standard. For these latex tubes, we found that the threaded extender with SpeedShield setup actually reduces stress on the tube at the base of the valve stem and increases tube life. Since latex tubes have to be inflated daily, the most common failure over time comes at the base of the valve stem which is stressed repeatedly pushing and pulling off the the chuck and SpeedShield greatly reduces this stress.

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Thanks for the reply Josh, much appreciated. I just wasn't sure if there was some other difference that I wasn't picking up on.

I've got a decent supply of tubes at the moment but I will certainly consider yours when I am looking again.
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$15 seems reasonable for a latex tube. Regular Specialized Butyl tubes are now like $8 anyway.
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The two differentiators between us and the Vittoria, is that our tube is slightly larger accommodating up to 30mm tires and uses a 42mm valve stem instead of 51. So while it's made by Vittoria, it is not exactly the same.

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joshatsilca wrote:
The two differentiators between us and the Vittoria, is that our tube is slightly larger accommodating up to 30mm tires and uses a 42mm valve stem instead of 51. So while it's made by Vittoria, it is not exactly the same.

None of the stock photos show the valve stem on your new Silca tube Josh, but I'm assuming it isn't externally threaded, similar to the standard Vittoria valve stems.

If it was threaded it could offer that same benefit for fixing the valve stem in a disc cutout against the pressure of pushing on a pump head. Along the lines of using the extender and rubber Speedshield with something similar for fixing the valve stems against the bottom of a disc cutout. Maybe a small inverted cone shaped spacer that presses into foam with a thin valve extension nut? Or a tee flange tube fitting that is pressed in permanently and offers a solid surface for the valve extension nut?

I have been running the shorter valve Michelin latex because the extra space helps, but airing up race mornings in the dark takes a extra care. Pressing down too much against an almost fully inflated latex tube can easily cause a tube failure. This is my biggest worry when pumping up a Zipp disc with latex tubes. I've had this happen:( Deflating before pushing on the pump head is a safe option if a floor pump is available.

Anyway, something to consider moving forward!
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I'm very pleased with Vittoria tubes. No reason for me so far to use another brand.

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Silca tubes are made by Vittoria

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So why the combo with the threaded valve extenders?

Why not a combo with the RVC extensions?


I will never buy non threaded valve extenders again, because threaded ones work for tubeless use while unthreaded don’t. I have now learned this (obvious) lesson twice when going to do a deep wheeled road tubeless setup...there I am with my big bag of every length of valve extender on earth, including a dozen of those RVC ones you get with the old rim braking wheels, and none of them work for the tubeless task at hand.

Besides that, Josh is on here telling everyone to use tubeless tape, which I sort of agree with, but his RVC extenders are, in my experience, nearly impossible to push through tubeless tape and through the valve hole without the little rubber jawn getting all scrunched up...so then you have to remove it, defeating the entire purpose of that extender. I hate that product for this reason and for the reason that if you don’t use butyl tubes anymore for any purpose ever, which I don’t know why you would, then none of the extenders are the right length in the hole (with Vittoria latex).

Josh has explained why this is but to me this new solution of coming out with a slightly different length latex tube valve is coming at the problem from the wrong angle. Why not give us this tube with 80mm and 100mm valve lengths? Nobody wants to use extenders. Dealing with extenders is just another unnecessary piece of kit complexity and an unnecessary point of failure for race day.

So that leaves me two reasons to buy this product:

a) it’s the only option on the market that (ostensibly) provides a discount, via the bundle, on the kind of valve extender I increasingly need to use for tubeless setup. I just bought a bunch of these so that all the short tubeless valves I have can actually be used with modern wheels.

b) This “optimized for wider tires†claim. Somebody is going to have to have to help me understand how a tube made for 24 to 30mm does anything for me. Yes my tires inflate to 26ish on Zipp and 27ish on Enve and on the HED Vanquish or Enve 4.5 AR it's more like 29-30, but I still don’t get the optimized thing. Is there really a material difference in longevity of the tube optimized for 24-30mm (Silca) vs. 25-28mm (Vittoria classic)? I don’t believe it.

Somebody should make 80mm and 100mm valve lengths on these tubes. Big missed opportunity for Silca in my opinion, and there is no problem this new offering solves for me unless there's a mega discount on those threaded extenders.
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joshatsilca wrote:
the ProBikeKit business model is about market share and upselling/cross-selling so they often sell items like this at or below their cost to try and drive other business.


I think you mean "every business model".

How can I reconcile the following two statements?

joshatsilca wrote:
As a consumer that's a heck of a deal, they are literally selling those for less than wholesale cost of the item. As a business person and responsible member of this industry this situation breaks my heart as the strategy here is more about driving other sellers out of the market than anything else.


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We are now only providing our RVC extenders to wheel manufacturers who both bundle them with wheels and also resell them. Because they are so readily available...


Do you also require exclusive or 'most favored nation' retailing of your extenders by your wheel partners? Last I checked I couldn't buy non Silca valve extenders from Enve.

Sounds like your business model is all about market share and cross selling...
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Can someone show me a study the backs up the theory that latex tubes are actually faster. I'm not being a smart-ass here I just have never truly right up on it.
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kileyay wrote:
stevej wrote:
So why the combo with the threaded valve extenders?

Why not a combo with the RVC extensions?

I will never buy non threaded valve extenders again, because threaded ones work for tubeless use while unthreaded don’t. I have now learned this (obvious) lesson twice when going to do a deep wheeled road tubeless setup...there I am with my big bag of every length of valve extender on earth, including a dozen of those RVC ones you get with the old rim braking wheels, and none of them work for the tubeless task at hand.

Besides that, Josh is on here telling everyone to use tubeless tape, which I sort of agree with, but his RVC extenders are, in my experience, nearly impossible to push through tubeless tape and through the valve hole without the little rubber jawn getting all scrunched up...so then you have to remove it, defeating the entire purpose of that extender. I hate that product for this reason and for the reason that if you don’t use butyl tubes anymore for any purpose ever, which I don’t know why you would, then none of the extenders are the right length in the hole (with Vittoria latex).

Josh has explained why this is but to me this new solution of coming out with a slightly different length latex tube valve is coming at the problem from the wrong angle. Why not give us this tire with 80mm and 100mm valve lengths? Nobody wants to use extenders. Dealing with extenders is just another unnecessary piece of kit complexity and an unnecessary point of failure for race day.

So that leaves me two reasons to buy this product:

a) it’s the only option on the market that (ostensibly) provides a discount, via the bundle, on the kind of valve extender I increasingly need to use for tubeless setup. I just bought a bunch of these so that all the short tubeless valves I have can actually be used with modern wheels.

b) This “optimized for wider tires†claim. Somebody is going to have to have to help me understand how a tube made for 24 to 30mm does anything for me. Yes my tires inflate to 26ish on Zipp and 27ish on Enve, but I still don’t get the optimized thing. Is there really a material difference in longevity of the tube? I don’t believe it.

Somebody should make 80mm and 100mm valve lengths on these tires. Big missed opportunity for Silca in my opinion

What's tubeless??? ;)

But yes you make many good points. I wondered about the valve length many many years ago. There used to be many threads/posts on here about valve extender issues. I never understood why people were using extenders when they could get a 100mm valve stem in a butyl tube. But that was before I figured out latex. That said.... yes I agree 100% that someone needs to create a longer valve stem in a latex tube. Though I believe one of the main drivers for a shorter vittoria latex tube valve stem has everything to do with disc wheels. We need both short and long IMO.

I have struggled with the rubber piece on the RVC extenders too when mounting it on a front 808 with silca rim tape. I've taken the extender off the tube and put the piece back on only for it come back off again when mounting the tube. Frustrating to say the least for someone with OCD.

My only issue with the threaded extenders is the length. I want more options for length (specifically ~45-60 mm). Running a silca latex tube (42 mm) plus a 70 mm threaded valve extender on a rear enve 7.8 or zipp 808 just looks like crap. Or a enve 7.8 front with a 70mm valve extender which is even worse (since a 40 mm won't work). But that's just me.

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I'm a complete moron. I just received an order of Michelin latex tubes and didn't realize they didn't have removable cores. Can't use my screw-in valve extenders with these, so they're worthless. #Facepalm


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Super D wrote:
I'm a complete moron. I just received an order of Michelin latex tubes and didn't realize they didn't have removable cores. Can't use my screw-in valve extenders with these, so they're worthless. #Facepalm

How much do you want for them?
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NealH wrote:
Super D wrote:
I'm a complete moron. I just received an order of Michelin latex tubes and didn't realize they didn't have removable cores. Can't use my screw-in valve extenders with these, so they're worthless. #Facepalm


How much do you want for them?

$15 for two 60mm unused, how's that?

But you'd have to pick them up in San Diego. If I have to ship them, I'll jump off the Coronado bay bridge. That is a curiosity, though... Wonder how many flips I could get on the way down..
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$15 for two 60mm unused, how's that?

But you'd have to pick them up in San Diego. If I have to ship them, I'll jump off the Coronado bay bridge. That is a curiosity, though... Wonder how many flips I could get on the way down..

Good price but I'm in Florida, therefore will have to pass. Someone will surely jump on these.
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NealH wrote:
Super D wrote:
$15 for two 60mm unused, how's that?

But you'd have to pick them up in San Diego. If I have to ship them, I'll jump off the Coronado bay bridge. That is a curiosity, though... Wonder how many flips I could get on the way down..

Good price but I'm in Florida, therefore will have to pass. Someone will surely jump on these.

Darn it, was kind of looking forward to the bridge flyer. I will live to ride another day. :)
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What size of valve extender do i need for HED jet 9 black front wheel?
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Depends on the length of the valve that your tube has.
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jimatbeyond wrote:
Depends on the length of the valve that your tube has.

Sorry, i didn't ask correctly.

What size of valve my latex tube should have to fit in HED 9 front wheel?(corsa speed open tlr 23mm tire)
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90mm wheel should have at least 105mm total length valve, so that could be a 51mm Vittoria with 60mm+ valve extender, 42mm SILCA with 70mm+ extender. 60mm Michelin with 45mm+ extender

There are a bunch of ways to get there, but tube valve + extender needs to be 105mm or greater to guarantee functionality with all pump heads and CO2 regulators. Also be sure to get an extra extender or 2 for your spare!

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HED includes extenders with their wheels that are sized for 41mm valve stems. I have not measured it, but I think it is 75mm. I like the HED extenders because they say "HED" on them. I happen to have a 51mm Vittoria latex tube in my front wheel, so my HED extension pokes out extra far.
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Re: Which brand of Latex tubes? [NewbieTri100] [ In reply to ]
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Ok, why the flying eff you cee kay do no companies make an extended valve latex tube? I'd do it, but I'm not going to run extenders.

I searched hard online the other night, no equivalent to a standard 80ish mm length stem you can find in a normal butyl tube.

Grrrrr.
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burnthesheep wrote:
Ok, why the flying eff you cee kay do no companies make an extended valve latex tube? I'd do it, but I'm not going to run extenders.

I searched hard online the other night, no equivalent to a standard 80ish mm length stem you can find in a normal butyl tube.

Grrrrr.

Been discussed a few times in other forums.....just not a big market for latex tubes so valve length choices are very limited. You can buy extenders in various lengths to match up best with your wheels. Connect them correctly and you should have no problems. Really no reason not to use. I prefer the silca/enve versions with the rubberized section to avoid the rattle.
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The best way to patch latex tubes is by using a bit of an old latex tube and superglue.
Normal tyre glue squirms and the patches usually develop slow leaks.
Superglue just works and is ready in seconds.
Huh? Do you let the glue sit a bit before applying the patch (as you are supposed to)? I use standard Rema patches and Rema vulcanizing fluid on latex tubes *all* *the* *time* and it works much better than on butyl tubes. You don't even have to sand the tube down. Within about 24 hours the patch bonds so thoroughly to the latex that it literally looks and acts like it is part of the original tube material. If it weren't a different color, I don't think you could even tell there was a patch there, and there's certainly no way you could get it off no matter how hard you tried. It's seamless. On butyl that never happens.
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Nup, use the six seconds stuff, glue it , ride it.
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Rema green cement works with latex very well. Personally I don't use standard patches as they don't streach as good as the latex ones. I cut patches from old vredestein tube (the lightest of all of them).
Before applying glue I use alcohol based cleaner.
I tried all available, to my knowladge, latex tubes on the market, at least in Europe.
For ultimate performance and weight - Vredestein (I think Veloflex use them in their tubs). On the other side Michelin with its over 80g and not removable valve core tube. Not a big problem if you don't use valve extenders and not planning use sealant.
But still why would anybody prefer heavier tube over lighter one? Vittoria pink is ok red Challenge too.
The other one, which seems to be very rear, is purple Vittoria latex tube It's lighter than it's pink sister and have threaded valve.



It is good too.
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The purple Vittoria tubes have not been made for some years now and were replaced by the pink ones which are slightly thicker and contain modifiers to improve heat resistance. The purple Vittoria and also the Vredestein are too light/thin and were highly susceptible to heat failure when used on carbon rims. The pink latex which Vittoria is now using is more tolerant of heat, and also loses less air overnight due to a combination of compounding of the material and also the slightly greater thickness of the latex itself. The end result is a few grams heavier, but significantly more robust.

When developing the SILCA latex tube, we found the pink Vittoria latex formulation and construction method to be far and away the most consistent, most durable and most heat resistant of all the manufacturers. If you haven't been on latex tubes for a few years or had bad experience in the past, you will find the current state of technology here to be a notable step forward and certainly worth a few grams of weight increase.

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Josh, any issues with using the Silca latex tubes in a 22mm tire (Conti Attack) on an older (i.e. narrower) 404 rim?
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WelshinPhilly, the larger tube will work fine in that setup as that tire is likely 23-24mm when mounted, just be extra careful during the install as larger tubes are easier to pinch in narrower setups. Be sure to use tubeless tape to give yourself some extra room and also make install easier and also check the full circumference of both beads well before inflating and you'll be fine.

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What about a 20 mm supersonic on zipp fc or nsw 808? Is the silca tube suitable for that narrow of tire or is a vittoria tube better off?

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stevej - just ordered the Silca latex inner tube and rim tape. i'll report back about how it works with my old narrow Hed H3 wheel with Conti Grand Prix 4000s 20mm tire.

UPDATE: The Silca/Conti/Hed combo works fine. In other words, the Silca 700x24-30mm tube can be used with the Conti 700x20 tire. I also used 1 wrap of Silca Platinum rim tape (but doubled it over the tube stem hole).

I inflated to 120psi no problem; however I have not actually put the wheel on a bike for a ride.

I should also tell you that the Conti/Hed combo is tight. And by tight I mean the tightest tire I've ever put on, and no way to put the tire on without a tire lever. But it worked fine with the Silca tube, and no worse than a smaller (700x18-25) butyl tube.
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I thought that I owe you few words of explanation regarding Victoria purple inner tubes.
I stated above that they were good, because I was sure that one of my wheels is equipped with this inner tube....
Well... yesterday I decided to prepare my 808nsw for the new season. For curiosity, since I bought them I have been riding using supplied butyl inner tubes. I felt that the ride was a bit harsher comparred to Veloflex tubs and for example Open Pave with latex inner tubes.
So decided to mount purple Victorias. At that point I realized that my other wheelset is not on purple Victorias (I have four different brands of latex tubes, hence the confusion ).
Ererything was mounted, one wheel pumped to 30-40psi, when pumping the other one, again within the range of 30-40psi I heard pssssssss. When pulling the tyre of the rim, the other wheel produced the same sound pssssss.
What I found both tubes had a punctures within 10cm from the valve. In fact one tube had already two patches in this area.
Of course rim tapes were perfect, nothing thay could couse these failures. And the patched tube never been mounted on these wheels.
Under close inspection I found that the inner part ofthe tube, where all four failures occurred, is discoloured.
Long story short, it looks like the latex material is in advanced deterioration state.
Finally enden up with pink Victorias, 100psi, no issues.
Well still having few unpacked purple inner tubes I will have supplies of latex patches for decades to come :)
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Did you manage to get the tube in with this wheel/tyre combination ok?
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esox.flucius - just placed the order 3 days ago and it hasn't arrived yet. hopefully I can work on it this weekend (4/7/18).


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Thanks Bru, look forward to your answer.
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updated my earlier post
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Bro, great to hear that everything fit up so nicely for you. However, we, (and all the other tubeless tape makers) strongly recommend 2 wraps of tape for road pressures.. the tapes are very strong, but once you factor in the potential for heat, the benefit of 2 wraps far outweighs the penalty (about 5-6 grams..)

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Thanks Bru,

Appreciate the update. Will be interesting to know how real world riding goes. I can struggle with getting tyres on, but don't find the Conti SS(20mm) too difficult (the old style SS), I'd want to use levers definitely in a race for speed. The Trispoke is an old version though.

Thinking of puttIng got some sealant in the tubes for iron-distance racing, got a bunch of Bontrager SLR for that arrive today.
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Got my first set of latex tubes installed a few days ago. Silca / Vittoria with 2 wraps of Silca Tape . 2 thoughts so far.

#1) mounting the tire. My wheel tire combo is probably on the easier side in terms of mounting but nonetheless the latex tubes were hardly any more difficult than butyl. I just did a thorough bead check with only a few PSI all the way around pushing the tire off of the bead to see if there was any pinched latex.

#2) loss of air. As far as I can see they aren't losing any more air than a butyl tire. I read somewhere up to 1 PSI per hour. No way in my experience so far. As the tube ages we shall see but right now they seem rock solid in holding air.

I have to say talking to almost anyone in a shop in the industry they were completely reluctant to offer even a scrap of advice. They mostly just told me all the bad things. I felt like there were lawyers hovering over every conversation.

Reminds me the movie Fight Club....

The first rule of latex tubes is: you do not talk about latex tubes


Looking forward to my first race with these things especially since I have Best Bike Split set up pretty accurately but without latex so if everything goes according to plan I hope to get a measurable boost over 180KM. If I end up flatting thats fine, but I know it's going to have nothing to do with choosing latex.

Thanks to all who added to this thread, especially Thomas Gerlach.
Last edited by: TravelingTri: Apr 26, 18 1:09
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