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We, of course, expected that the request will eventually arise. The question is: what path will be taken by the two sides, and what will be the form of the final interaction? Affidavit, written questions, live interview, grand jury appearance, Mexican stand-off?

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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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The outcome will be an updated version of "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is"



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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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We, of course, expected that the request will eventually arise. The question is: what path will be taken by the two sides, and what will be the form of the final interaction? Affidavit, written questions, live interview, grand jury appearance, Mexican stand-off?

why are you promoting racial and ethnic stereotypes? :-)
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Pay-per-view?
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Voluntary interview under oath. I don't think he will force a subpoena.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [mck414] [ In reply to ]
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Eastwood is Mueller, van Cleef is Trump: who is the third guy?

(great GIF, by the way!)

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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Regarding Muller's investigation.. I kind of just thought of this and dont mean to hi jack your thread... But is Pence squeaky clean in all of this? Not one mention of impropriety about him that I have heard.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [orphious] [ In reply to ]
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orphious wrote:
Regarding Muller's investigation.. I kind of just thought of this and dont mean to hi jack your thread... But is Pence squeaky clean in all of this? Not one mention of impropriety about him that I have heard.

That depends. He could be have been complicit in a cover up of impeachable offenses relating to the meetings with Kislyak during the transition, if those meetings discussed reducing sanctions. Pense said on TV that Flynn did not discuss reducing sanctions with Kislyak, but may have known that wasn't true depending on when he learned Flynn lied to him. He was chairman of the transition team, so it's hard to believe he knew nothing of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak.

He could also be implicated in the firing of Comey, depending on what he knew and how that firing was justified. I presume that would require Comey's firing to be considered an attempt at obstruction of justice.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [Kay Serrar] [ In reply to ]
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What about this?:

http://fxn.ws/2AKcDpl

Maybe JSA can weigh in, but if a crime has been committed (ostensibly murder in this case), shouldn’t this person be legally compelled to provide all knowledge of the potential crime?

Crazy assertion.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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klehner wrote:
We, of course, expected that the request will eventually arise. The question is: what path will be taken by the two sides, and what will be the form of the final interaction? Affidavit, written questions, live interview, grand jury appearance, Mexican stand-off?

Cultural appropriation?

You need to go to progressive re-education camp.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [JD21] [ In reply to ]
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JD21 wrote:
What about this?:

http://fxn.ws/2AKcDpl

Maybe JSA can weigh in, but if a crime has been committed (ostensibly murder in this case), shouldn’t this person be legally compelled to provide all knowledge of the potential crime?

Crazy assertion.

No idea. Presumably the alleged killing took place in Russia?
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Mrs sphere raised an interesting if not entirely serious question: what good is the testimony of who literally cannot separate truth from fiction?

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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Mrs sphere raised an interesting if not entirely serious question: what good is the testimony of who literally cannot separate truth from fiction?

Like any other testimony, if it contradicts the testimony of others who are deemed credible, it can lead to charges like obstruction of justice or perjury.

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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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On "The Story," Judge Napolitano said any of those options would be a bad idea for the president because he cannot know what Mueller's team knows and what evidence they already have.

"One lie or one close-to-a-lie about a material matter and he's facing a potential indictment," he explained.

He said that FBI investigators are "very, very good" at trapping people, and Trump should avoid falling into such a trap by declining to submit to an interview, which he is legally entitled to do.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [JD21] [ In reply to ]
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On "The Story," Judge Napolitano said any of those options would be a bad idea for the president because he cannot know what Mueller's team knows and what evidence they already have.

"One lie or one close-to-a-lie about a material matter and he's facing a potential indictment," he explained.

He said that FBI investigators are "very, very good" at trapping people, and Trump should avoid falling into such a trap by declining to submit to an interview, which he is legally entitled to do.

Did he also say that no prosecutor would resort to a sworn affidavit or submitted written questions (as the responses would be just the lawyers speaking)?

Given that rock and that hard place, it would seem that the grand jury subpoena (after much legal wrangling) would be the absolutely unacceptable (from the defense perspective) last resort that would make them submit Trump to a live deposition (with some limits, no doubt). One theory is that trying to smear Mueller now will allow Trump's team to cry "witch hunt!" when Trump refuses to testify to a grand jury (thereby affirming his standing with his 30% support).

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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [sphere] [ In reply to ]
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Seems to me that if one were to give testimony under oath that was later proven to be untruthful, it might be viewed as very, very naughty and could result in some heavy consequences.

For some reason, I can't help but envision the final courtroom scene from "A Few Good Men". I wonder how much playing to the witness' inflated ego (coupled with an apparent lack of D.C. 'streetwisdom' and inability to think on his feet) it would take before he admits that he did indeed order the Code Red.

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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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JD21 wrote:
On "The Story," Judge Napolitano said any of those options would be a bad idea for the president because he cannot know what Mueller's team knows and what evidence they already have.

"One lie or one close-to-a-lie about a material matter and he's facing a potential indictment," he explained.

He said that FBI investigators are "very, very good" at trapping people, and Trump should avoid falling into such a trap by declining to submit to an interview, which he is legally entitled to do.


Did he also say that no prosecutor would resort to a sworn affidavit or submitted written questions (as the responses would be just the lawyers speaking)?

Given that rock and that hard place, it would seem that the grand jury subpoena (after much legal wrangling) would be the absolutely unacceptable (from the defense perspective) last resort that would make them submit Trump to a live deposition (with some limits, no doubt). One theory is that trying to smear Mueller now will allow Trump's team to cry "witch hunt!" when Trump refuses to testify to a grand jury (thereby affirming his standing with his 30% support).

I'm expecting the "I don't have to answer because I'm the president" defense. Then he'll tweet its all fake news and he's still a genius.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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//Did he also say that no prosecutor would resort to a sworn affidavit or submitted written questions (as the responses would be just the lawyers speaking)? //

Wait...what? I’m no expert on such matters but isn’t this precisely what HRC did?

If imagine, as POTUS, he has a lot of leeway as to what he’s willing to do or not do. Would he even be compelled to react to a Grand Jury subpoena? I’d so, whilst I know an attorney cannot be in the room it is my understanding his lawyer can sit out of the room and Trump can literally walk out after each question and consult.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [JD21] [ In reply to ]
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On "The Story," Judge Napolitano said any of those options would be a bad idea for the president because he cannot know what Mueller's team knows and what evidence they already have.

"One lie or one close-to-a-lie about a material matter and he's facing a potential indictment," he explained.

He said that FBI investigators are "very, very good" at trapping people, and Trump should avoid falling into such a trap by declining to submit to an interview, which he is legally entitled to do.

How fucked up is what you just wrote? Here is an idea - just tell the truth for once!

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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [TiDriver] [ In reply to ]
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TiDriver wrote:
Seems to me that if one were to give testimony under oath that was later proven to be untruthful, it might be viewed as very, very naughty and could result in some heavy consequences.

For some reason, I can't help but envision the final courtroom scene from "A Few Good Men". I wonder how much playing to the witness' inflated ego (coupled with an apparent lack of D.C. 'streetwisdom' and inability to think on his feet) it would take before he admits that he did indeed order the Code Red.

Isn't this how Ken Starr got Bill Clinton into a very precarious position?
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [RZ] [ In reply to ]
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RZ wrote:
TiDriver wrote:
Seems to me that if one were to give testimony under oath that was later proven to be untruthful, it might be viewed as very, very naughty and could result in some heavy consequences.

For some reason, I can't help but envision the final courtroom scene from "A Few Good Men". I wonder how much playing to the witness' inflated ego (coupled with an apparent lack of D.C. 'streetwisdom' and inability to think on his feet) it would take before he admits that he did indeed order the Code Red.


Isn't this how Ken Starr got Bill Clinton into a very precarious position?

No. Clinton was sued for sexual harassment. A pattern of harassment going back decades was alleged. Clinton needed to lie about his current harassment in order to deny the pattern. It certainly was not to keep it a secret from Hillary; she knew all about his long history taking advantage of his subordinates.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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And still the President
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [dvfmfidc] [ In reply to ]
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dvfmfidc wrote:
And still the President

and still a stable genius. :-)
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [JD21] [ In reply to ]
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On "The Story," Judge Napolitano said any of those options would be a bad idea for the president because he cannot know what Mueller's team knows and what evidence they already have.

Trump does know everything he did or said so not knowing what evidence Mueller has should, in theory, not matter. The only option is to tell the truth, which admittedly does seem a stretch for Trump but we can still cling to being naive.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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I suspect his ego is big enough for him to want to sit down and set them straight and so far it appears be listens to no one who advises him to do something he disagrees with.

If it did not go well it would all be fake news and he would obfuscate.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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From the stuff I have read of Trump's previous efforts when answering questions from hostile lawyers, and from what I have seen of Trump over the last year, I can tell you that were I representing him I would move heaven and earth to avoid and prospect of a one-to-one verbal interaction.

Even with advance notice of the questions and scripted answers, I wouldn't trust Trump to stay on script. He's too easily goaded and too willing to talk. He is genuinely the client from hell, from that point of view.
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Re: Mueller reportedly to interview Trump Prediction Thread [Greg66] [ In reply to ]
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i'm a bit of a broken record on this, but it's really instructive to look up rob ford's testimony when he was in court for breaking municipal conflict of interest laws. i think the parallel there is strong.

basically i'd expect that trump's lawyers would want to keep him off the stand, at all cost. but if he did testify, i think the same mix of "i use my own definitions for that word" and "i never bothered to read that" and a touch of "i don't recall" tinged with "rules are for little people" thrown in.

trump's already got form on this - the testimony in which he talks about how he calculates his own net worth is. . . interesting.

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JD21 wrote:
On "The Story," Judge Napolitano said any of those options would be a bad idea for the president because he cannot know what Mueller's team knows and what evidence they already have.

"One lie or one close-to-a-lie about a material matter and he's facing a potential indictment," he explained.

He said that FBI investigators are "very, very good" at trapping people, and Trump should avoid falling into such a trap by declining to submit to an interview, which he is legally entitled to do.


I sort of resent the use of the term "trapping people" when it comes to our interviews. A good investigative interviewer knows the answers to the vast majority of the questions being asked. If the subject fails to tell the truth that's THEIR problem. I ask you X, and I know the answer is Y, and you answer Z. Well, you're potentially on the hook for a 1001 charge. I will then use that against you in an effort to get you to tell the truth, and you deal with the consequences... or you can stick to your guns and deal with a whole other set of consequences.

My guess is that I've definitively known the answers to 75-90% of questions that I asked during subject interviews. We do our homework. The person being interviewed most often thinks they are there to tell us the who, what, where, why, and hows but they're really there to either confess or lie to us. Either hammer eventually works.

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One theory is that trying to smear Mueller now will allow Trump's team to cry "witch hunt!" when Trump refuses to testify to a grand jury (thereby affirming his standing with his 30% support).

On cue:

"The single greatest Witch Hunt in American history continues. There was no collusion, everybody including the Dems knows there was no collusion, & yet on and on it goes. Russia & the world is laughing at the stupidity they are witnessing. Republicans should finally take control!"


Hey Don, news flash... the Republicans ARE in control. Mueller is a registered Republican and he was appointed by your own Deputy Attorney General, who continues to support his efforts.


Methinks Trump is beginning to feel the heat.


So what happens if he appoints a new AG, who then fires Mueller and closes the investigation? I assume the FBI can pick up any financial crime probes and continue them, no?


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Kay Serrar wrote:
klehner wrote:

One theory is that trying to smear Mueller now will allow Trump's team to cry "witch hunt!" when Trump refuses to testify to a grand jury (thereby affirming his standing with his 30% support).


On cue:

"The single greatest Witch Hunt in American history continues. There was no collusion, everybody including the Dems knows there was no collusion, & yet on and on it goes. Russia & the world is laughing at the stupidity they are witnessing. Republicans should finally take control!"


Hey Don, news flash... the Republicans ARE in control. Mueller is a registered Republican and he was appointed by your own Deputy Attorney General, who continues to support his efforts.


Methinks Trump is beginning to feel the heat.


So what happens if he appoints a new AG, who then fires Mueller and closes the investigation? I assume the FBI can pick up any financial crime probes and continue them, no?


Wouldn't the actual Salem witch hunt be the greatest in American history? Just wondering.

If Trump gets Mueller fired, the Congress will (believe it or not) appoint its own Special Counsel to pick up the investigation. To not do so would be politically toxic for them.

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