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Semi-serious question. Could Oprah win an election to be president? Women love her, I would think she would have the minority vote and she seems quite articulate. Aside from a couple of blunders on her tv show, would anyone really have enough dirt on her to make her go away?

Personally, I would be torn on voting for her (although I am from Canuckistan so it doesn't matter anyway). People seem to really love her though.
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A TV personality as President??? Don't be stupid. Nobody would be dense enough to vote for someone like that.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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I was about to start the same thread.

Quite a speech she made last night.

http://www.cnn.com/...ranscript/index.html

She certainly looks good next to the current so-called president.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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A TV personality as President??? Don't be stupid. Nobody would be dense enough to vote for someone like that.

I'll put you down as undecided.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Over the years I've found her to be a really obnoxious, even odious person. But as a progressive I'd have to vote for her unless the Republican party does some sort of about face in the near future.

I guess it would increase my empathy for all those conservatives who had to vote for Trump against their good sense.



As a caveat, she is probably even more out of touch with reality than Trump is.
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Over the years I've found her to be a really obnoxious, even odious person. But as a progressive I'd have to vote for her unless the Republican party does some sort of about face in the near future.

I guess it would increase my empathy for all those conservatives who had to vote for Trump against their good sense.



As a caveat, she is probably even more out of touch with reality than Trump is.

I'd give her credit for being more informed than Trump even if he is a stable genius.
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Over the years I've found her to be a really obnoxious, even odious person. But as a progressive I'd have to vote for her unless the Republican party does some sort of about face in the near future.

I guess it would increase my empathy for all those conservatives who had to vote for Trump against their good sense.



As a caveat, she is probably even more out of touch with reality than Trump is.

Probably true, but on the positive side she can't lose. She's known for giving away "free stuff", and that what most voters apparently want.



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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Id think she would have a greater challenge in the primaries going against E.Warren and other veteran democrats. If she made it to the general election, she would have a very good chance.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [ThisIsIt] [ In reply to ]
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As a caveat, she is probably even more out of touch with reality than Trump is.

A quick review of her early life, and a comparison to that of Trump, would change your view on that. I'm guessing Oprah pretty well understands the reality of life.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [mck414] [ In reply to ]
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She's known for giving away "free stuff", and that what most voters apparently want.

She's a natural. She gets someone else to donate the goods, then makes it look like she's the one giving people free stuff.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Does Putin like her?

If so, she's in

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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I am just looking forward to Trump's twitter nickname for her.

With his continuing mental decline I am guessing it will contain the n-word ;)

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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She's known for giving away "free stuff", and that what most voters apparently want.


She's a natural. She gets someone else to donate the goods, then makes it look like she's the one giving people free stuff.

Do you know how much of her own money she has donated to various charities? An order of magnitude estimate will do fine, thanks.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [rick_pcfl] [ In reply to ]
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A TV personality as President??? Don't be stupid. Nobody would be dense enough to vote for someone like that.

Not a 3rd time anyway...

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Do you know how much of her own money she has donated to various charities? An order of magnitude estimate will do fine, thanks.

Less than President Trump?

But, to the point I was making, do you believe that Oprah paid for the cars SHE gave away?

https://www.motor1.com/...giveaway-didnt-know/

The idea for the car giveaway came from Oprah’s friend Gayle King, who sat next to someone from Pontiac on a flight and struck up a conversation. The show had originally asked Pontiac for 25 cars to giveaway, but kept asking the automaker for more until the total number reached 276. The value of the cars to Pontiac was about $7.7 million.




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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Please no.

President is a skill position. Turns out knowledge and experience are actually a thing. Who could have possibly known?

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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As far as celebrities go, I don't know that you could find a person who seems to be more genuinely caring, hard working, polished in their delivery, poised, inclusive, and diplomatic than Oprah. She's worked her ass off to get to where she is, seems to know how to spot and take advantage of an opportunity and does well to bridge sides. That said, I'm not sure that her skills translate to the position of POTUS and she'd have progressive stigmas to overcome in the type of anti-entitlement spending culture that got Trump elected. She'd be hit hard with claims of being unqualified, with the right claiming that Trump's business experience made him qualified but Oprah "only" has celebrity status so "obviously" she's not qualified. The reality is that she's a far more diplomatic and stable individual than the current POTUS and would do a better job. But doing a better job than the current POTUS is really a low bar and my opinion is that we need someone with the organizational skills and capacity to understand the magnitude of the problem's we're facing and get things done, someone with some stronger understandings of governmental inner workings. Of course, Oprah would be surrounded by incredibly qualified people who she could entrust to doing the job without her misguided opinions and lack of IQ being an issue -- rather than making excuses and apologizing for her behavior, as is the case with current POTUS -- so perhaps it wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't love it, but I also feel fairly confident that a rotting road kill opossum would make for a superior President than DJT.



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Semi-serious question. Could Oprah win an election to be president? Women love her, I would think she would have the minority vote and she seems quite articulate. Aside from a couple of blunders on her tv show, would anyone really have enough dirt on her to make her go away?

Personally, I would be torn on voting for her (although I am from Canuckistan so it doesn't matter anyway). People seem to really love her though.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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efernand wrote:
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She's known for giving away "free stuff", and that what most voters apparently want.


She's a natural. She gets someone else to donate the goods, then makes it look like she's the one giving people free stuff.

That's pretty much what Trump does too (as a businessman). They're both natural deal-makers. And comparable net worth!
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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efernand wrote:
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Do you know how much of her own money she has donated to various charities? An order of magnitude estimate will do fine, thanks.


Less than President Trump?

But, to the point I was making, do you believe that Oprah paid for the cars SHE gave away?

https://www.motor1.com/...giveaway-didnt-know/

The idea for the car giveaway came from Oprah’s friend Gayle King, who sat next to someone from Pontiac on a flight and struck up a conversation. The show had originally asked Pontiac for 25 cars to giveaway, but kept asking the automaker for more until the total number reached 276. The value of the cars to Pontiac was about $7.7 million.




I have no idea, nor do I care, whether she used her personal funds or facilitated this giveaway.

What I care about is that her *personal* charitable giving is at least two, if not three, orders of magnitude greater than Trump, and as far as I know she has never been accused of using her charitable foundation for personal gain.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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and as far as I know she has never been accused of using her charitable foundation for personal gain

Then clearly she is not fit for office and doesn't know the first thing about being a politician !

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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I have no idea, nor do I care, whether she used her personal funds or facilitated this giveaway.
What I care about is that her *personal* charitable giving is at least two, if not three, orders of magnitude greater than Trump, and as far as I know she has never been accused of using her charitable foundation for personal gain.

So, you just want to argue about an unrelated topic.

She's a natural politician because she is good at spending (giving away) other people's money.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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Who knows what the hard dollar amount of charitable contributions is in comparison to Trump. It's indisputable that her nearly $3billion estimated net worth was earned by way of her hard work and pulling herself up, making something out of nothing. With her work ethic and self-fulfilled success, she's employed a ton of people and has a stellar track record as a human. Trump's "business intelligence" is a complete sham, made possibly only by the fact that he inherited between $200-250million. He's never been in a position where his failure could sink him, never had to rely on actual skill other than being surrounded by the right yes men. He hasn't actually had to do anything on his own, if he's even actually capable. At his age and with his inheritance, it wouldn't take much of a person to have the cash he does...which, coincidentally, isn't a significant percentage more than Oprah, but their paths are obviously different. As far as his charity, he's been full of highly publicized, empty, unfulfilled promises on that front. Not that Oprah is qualified or should be POTUS, but DJT is an absolute huckster who's completely unqualified for the role and obviously in over his head.



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Do you know how much of her own money she has donated to various charities? An order of magnitude estimate will do fine, thanks.


Less than President Trump?

But, to the point I was making, do you believe that Oprah paid for the cars SHE gave away?

https://www.motor1.com/...giveaway-didnt-know/

The idea for the car giveaway came from Oprah’s friend Gayle King, who sat next to someone from Pontiac on a flight and struck up a conversation. The show had originally asked Pontiac for 25 cars to giveaway, but kept asking the automaker for more until the total number reached 276. The value of the cars to Pontiac was about $7.7 million.



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Re: Could Oprah do it? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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As people said, would her skills translate over?

Can you see Oprah standing up to Putin? Iran? NK? Being Commander in Chief ordering slowguy and our military around?
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [AndysStrongAle] [ In reply to ]
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Id think she would have a greater challenge in the primaries going against E.Warren and other veteran democrats. If she made it to the general election, she would have a very good chance.

I'm sorry, but if Opie runs against Elizabeth Warren she is a shoe in. Can the Democratic Party please find some new blood? I have a dream that both parties get it together by 2020 and we see Kasich against... I guess on the Dem side you need to look at Governors, there are several current Dem Governor's who live in the real world and has clue. Just give us someone.

Maybe, just maybe the country can decide between two intelligent people instead of Trump v one of the idiot Left (Opra/Liz Warren/Bernie Sanders)
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [AndysStrongAle] [ In reply to ]
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That's what I also mentioned in my first reply, just without the specific Putin, etc. instances.

Honestly, any worse than Trump? Let's face it, Russia, Iran, NK are outliers on the global front when it comes to diplomacy. I don't see any of those examples listening to DJT or being swayed by him. Certainly Oprah wouldn't hold less credibility with those, but she would hold a far greater amount of credibility with more mainstream diplomatic partners and be better equipped to work with them than DJT will be, a net benefit.

As far as the military is concerned -- is Trump any more respectable than Oprah when he's rage tweeting about bringing us to the brink of nuclear war? Is that something that should make our troops want to stand in line behind him? He wasn't any more qualified to be Commander in Chief than Oprah would be, although I'd imagine her behavior and ability to take sound advice to be far greater than Trump's.


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As people said, would her skills translate over?

Can you see Oprah standing up to Putin? Iran? NK? Being Commander in Chief ordering slowguy and our military around?
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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//What I care about is that her *personal* charitable giving is at least two, if not three, orders of magnitude greater than Trump, and as far as I know she has never been accused of using her charitable foundation for personal gain. //


wrt becoming POTUS? Who cares? Why is this a criteria...why not measure her against HRC or Obama in that regard?

As for the OP, I don't think she could win. Maybe the primary but not the general. IMO.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Depends, is she going to face Dwayne Johnson in the general election or a primary?

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.motor1.com/...giveaway-didnt-know/

The idea for the car giveaway came from Oprah’s friend Gayle King, who sat next to someone from Pontiac on a flight and struck up a conversation. The show had originally asked Pontiac for 25 cars to giveaway, but kept asking the automaker for more until the total number reached 276. The value of the cars to Pontiac was about $7.7 million.

Who moves into the White House with her? Gayle or Stedman?

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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Or celebrity businessman billionaire Mark Cuban.

This is just rich.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [last tri in 83] [ In reply to ]
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Or celebrity businessman billionaire Mark Cuban.

This is just rich.

Please no.

I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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By the time the next electioneering primaries roll around America will be so sick and disappointed by Trump that no TV personality will have a shot. It will be a traditional politicians. Almost certainly a Democrat.
Maybe E. Warren or Bernie, but maybe a new face will emerge.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Semi-serious question. Could Oprah win an election to be president? Women love her, I would think she would have the minority vote and she seems quite articulate. Aside from a couple of blunders on her tv show, would anyone really have enough dirt on her to make her go away?

Personally, I would be torn on voting for her (although I am from Canuckistan so it doesn't matter anyway). People seem to really love her though.

I think she should run. I mean, what the hell? Look at the mamzers we've had since 2000. She couldn't be any worse and may even be better. And at least we know we'll all get free stuff from her. ;-)

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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M~ wrote:
Semi-serious question. Could Oprah win an election to be president? Women love her, I would think she would have the minority vote and she seems quite articulate. Aside from a couple of blunders on her tv show, would anyone really have enough dirt on her to make her go away?

Personally, I would be torn on voting for her (although I am from Canuckistan so it doesn't matter anyway). People seem to really love her though.


I think she should run. I mean, what the hell? Look at the mamzers we've had since 2000. She couldn't be any worse and may even be better. And at least we know we'll all get free stuff from her. ;-)

I can't wait until she releases all of her tax returns.

I wonder what Team Biden is up to this morning??
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As people said, would her skills translate over?

Can you see Oprah standing up to Putin? Iran? NK? Being Commander in Chief ordering slowguy and our military around?

Hey, she already stood up to Lance, thats almost the same right?

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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I don't see men connecting with Oprah but she's a better candidate than Hillary.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Unrelated, but does anyone have any insight into the NZ immigration process?

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't read the whole thread, but why is this even an option?

Please tell me that their are more qualified applicants for the job of POTUS than OW.

Or is this just one of those threads joking about it, then hahahaha.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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Sure she could but let's wait until we get this shit show is over before we get to the next one.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [Nova] [ In reply to ]
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Nova wrote:
I didn't read the whole thread, but why is this even an option?

Please tell me that their are more qualified applicants for the job of POTUS than OW.

Or is this just one of those threads joking about it, then hahahaha.

Just for fun, why isn't it an option. She created a multi billion empire out of nothing so obviously has some sense to either surround herself with competent people, or is a fast learner. She is articulate, she seems fairly level headed and people seem to like her around the world.
Someone pulling themselves out of poverty and working their ass off to become something is precisely who I would want as the leader of the country.
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Unrelated, but does anyone have any insight into the NZ immigration process?

Asking for a friend.

It's going to get a lot tighter now Labour are in, but you can buy your way in pretty easily. Ask Thiel.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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what's remarkable is the extent to which her candidacy (or anyone's really, but hers in particular) is now discussed in relation to trump. he's really set a new bar.

again with the parallels - which i think are many - to rob ford. after he left office toronto stayed with a conservative (despite other options including an labour-left option and a centrist technocrat), but elected basically the most boring, dry-toast, rich white corporate conservative in central casting.

so maybe post-trump it's not opera but mitt romney who's the smart money?

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Too much dirt.


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Re: Could Oprah do it? [Perseus] [ In reply to ]
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Oprah should run.

But as a GOP candidate.

First female black president and she's GOP. That'd be awesome. To hear the Dems talk, a good fraction of the GOP spends their days at home in trailerparks, so surely they're very familiar with daytime TV. She probably have a huge GOP female following. The ladies just need to rise up and get their menfolk on board.

Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.

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Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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no chance in hell... but I've said that before :)
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [MidwestRoadie] [ In reply to ]
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That's what I also mentioned in my first reply, just without the specific Putin, etc. instances.

Honestly, any worse than Trump? Let's face it, Russia, Iran, NK are outliers on the global front when it comes to diplomacy. I don't see any of those examples listening to DJT or being swayed by him. Certainly Oprah wouldn't hold less credibility with those, but she would hold a far greater amount of credibility with more mainstream diplomatic partners and be better equipped to work with them than DJT will be, a net benefit.

As far as the military is concerned -- is Trump any more respectable than Oprah when he's rage tweeting about bringing us to the brink of nuclear war? Is that something that should make our troops want to stand in line behind him? He wasn't any more qualified to be Commander in Chief than Oprah would be, although I'd imagine her behavior and ability to take sound advice to be far greater than Trump's.


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As people said, would her skills translate over?

Can you see Oprah standing up to Putin? Iran? NK? Being Commander in Chief ordering slowguy and our military around?

The bolded part is key for me, that is really want I want most in a President or a Prime Minister and where Trump seems to fail the most. Oprah certainly wouldn't be my first choice but if she has a proven track record of listening to advisers in business then I think that would be really positive.

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Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies.

Sadly, I think that statement is pretty accurate.
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Nova wrote:
I didn't read the whole thread, but why is this even an option?

Please tell me that their are more qualified applicants for the job of POTUS than OW.

Or is this just one of those threads joking about it, then hahahaha.

There are lots of qualified candidates. There seem to be no qualified candidates willing to run. We only have the rejects who are crazy enough to run.

If I had my choice I would pick someone like Bill Gates. I don't even really like him, but I do admire what he has done. He has put his money where his mouth is, the complete opposite of the current president.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [RangerGress] [ In reply to ]
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What about shacking up in the White House? How does that play with the GOP?

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As a caveat, she is probably even more out of touch with reality than Trump is.


A quick review of her early life, and a comparison to that of Trump, would change your view on that. I'm guessing Oprah pretty well understands the reality of life.

Yeah, this. Like her or not (I don't find her very likeable, but whatever), she's the real deal. Self-made billionaire media mogul who never, to my knowledge, made her fortune on the backs of others.

I mean, in the age of celebrity leadership, why not Oprah on the Democrat ticket. I guarantee you she'd be running a tighter ship than what we've seen over the last year plus. Whether you like where she's steering it or not.

I think she's far better equipped intellectually and temperamentally for the office, by a wide margin. And I say that as someone who'd never vote for her.

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RangerGress wrote:

Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.

That would explain why the current administration is rolling back all the environmental protections from previous administrations. And many of the financial regulations/consumer protections. You still going with the view that you don't see any differences?

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klehner wrote:
RangerGress wrote:


Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.


That would explain why the current administration is rolling back all the environmental protections from previous administrations. And many of the financial regulations/consumer protections. You still going with the view that you don't see any differences?

Donny Two-Scoops is quite something to behold, that's for sure. I fear what comes after him, too, precisely because he seems to have increased our tolerance level for the foolish and inane to near-cosmic levels. Ugh.

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big kahuna wrote:
M~ wrote:
Semi-serious question. Could Oprah win an election to be president? Women love her, I would think she would have the minority vote and she seems quite articulate. Aside from a couple of blunders on her tv show, would anyone really have enough dirt on her to make her go away?

Personally, I would be torn on voting for her (although I am from Canuckistan so it doesn't matter anyway). People seem to really love her though.


I think she should run. I mean, what the hell? Look at the mamzers we've had since 2000. She couldn't be any worse and may even be better. And at least we know we'll all get free stuff from her. ;-)


I can't wait until she releases all of her tax returns.

I wonder what Team Biden is up to this morning??

Licking their chops in anticipation, most likely.

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Trending on twitter #OprahKnew


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sphere wrote:
klehner wrote:
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As a caveat, she is probably even more out of touch with reality than Trump is.


A quick review of her early life, and a comparison to that of Trump, would change your view on that. I'm guessing Oprah pretty well understands the reality of life.


Yeah, this. Like her or not (I don't find her very likeable, but whatever), she's the real deal. Self-made billionaire media mogul who never, to my knowledge, made her fortune on the backs of others.

I mean, in the age of celebrity leadership, why not Oprah on the Democrat ticket. I guarantee you she'd be running a tighter ship than what we've seen over the last year plus. Whether you like where she's steering it or not.

I think she's far better equipped intellectually and temperamentally for the office, by a wide margin. And I say that as someone who'd never vote for her.

Hey, I guarantee the first time she goes Crazy, Wild-Eyed Black Woman on Iran they'll surrender right away. This is a good thing.
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Trending on twitter #OprahKnew

That is fucking creepy.
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Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.


That would explain why the current administration is rolling back all the environmental protections from previous administrations. And many of the financial regulations/consumer protections. You still going with the view that you don't see any differences?


Donny Two-Scoops is quite something to behold, that's for sure. I fear what comes after him, too, precisely because he seems to have increased our tolerance level for the foolish and inane to near-cosmic levels. Ugh.

This has nothing to do with Trump. He put in place ideologues who are going with their radical agendas (can't have scientists in science roles, for instance).

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Unrelated, but does anyone have any insight into the NZ immigration process?

Asking for a friend.

Good choice, Canada is too fucking cold.
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Oprah should run.

But as a GOP candidate.

First female black president and she's GOP. That'd be awesome. To hear the Dems talk, a good fraction of the GOP spends their days at home in trailerparks, so surely they're very familiar with daytime TV. She probably have a huge GOP female following. The ladies just need to rise up and get their menfolk on board.

Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.

She's a very intelligent woman. That would disclaim her from ever being a GOP. Besides, the GOP is a club for old rich white conservative men.
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Honestly, I just don't see her as a leader. She's definitely charismatic but she's also just another populist. Worse still as much as Trump is a misogynist she is as much a misandrist. That might be okay for TV but at some point it's not going to fly with the voting public. Please America, stop treating your elections like nationalized versions of Survivor or Big Brother. The world needs you at your best.
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Re: Could Oprah do it? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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here ya go, and I don't see any rich minorities on that list!


  • Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) ...
  • Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) ...
  • Rep. Dave Trott (R-MI) ...
  • Rep. Jared Polis (D-CO) ...
  • Sen. Mark Warner (D-VA) Net Worth: $90.85 million. ...
  • Rep. John Delaney (D-MD) Net Worth: $91.68 million. ...
  • Rep. Michael McCaul (R-TX) Net Worth: $107.61 million. ...
  • Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) Net Worth: $254.65 million.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [cerveloguy] [ In reply to ]
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    cerveloguy wrote:
    RangerGress wrote:
    Oprah should run.

    But as a GOP candidate.

    First female black president and she's GOP. That'd be awesome. To hear the Dems talk, a good fraction of the GOP spends their days at home in trailerparks, so surely they're very familiar with daytime TV. She probably have a huge GOP female following. The ladies just need to rise up and get their menfolk on board.

    Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.


    She's a very intelligent woman. That would disclaim her from ever being a GOP. Besides, the GOP is a club for old rich white conservative men.
    You've been drinking the lefty koolaid. The GOP is at least as diverse as the Dems. For example, the Dems have pushed out their budget hawks, yet the GOP still has there's. GOP even has "log cabin" gay Republicans. A pair of them used to live across the street from us. They were rabidly Conservative.

    IMO there's 2 fundamental issues where the Dems and the GOP don't agree. The GOP unwisely went after immigration. That was a dumb play for tinybrain voters that will hopefully embarrass them for the next several generations. 20yrs from now all Western nations will be looking for immigrants to come and pay taxes to support the gray hairs, some nations desperately so. Abortion. That should never have become a federal issue. Should have been left to the states. Should still be left to the states. So as long as a person doesn't have rabid feelings on one of those 2 issues, I could see them easily being swayed by the rhetoric of a charismatic candidate to vote for a party they don't normally do.

    Look how many GOP types switched over and voted for Obama just because he was a great speaker and he was black. Most everyone loved the idea of a black becoming President. Sure, the Dems don't believe that, but a critical pillar of Dem self-esteem is that "everyone else" is racist.

    GOP has had a number of black and female presidential candidates. None of them did all that well, but that was lack of charisma and rhetorical skills, not gender or race.

    Heck, given that both parties are largely advocating the same programs, the real differences are in what kind of rhetoric resonates with what kinds of voters.

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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [RangerGress] [ In reply to ]
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    Everyone knows that the entire LGTBQ and feminist communities are automatically aligned with the left of center. Its the natural law of politics! How dare you challenge the narrative!
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    //the real differences are in what kind of rhetoric resonates with what kinds of voters. //

    ...at that specific point in time.

    I completely agree with your sentiment which is why we find so many older videos of Dems/Pubs taking positions the exact opposite of the current platform.
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    RangerGress wrote:
    cerveloguy wrote:
    RangerGress wrote:
    Oprah should run.

    But as a GOP candidate.

    First female black president and she's GOP. That'd be awesome. To hear the Dems talk, a good fraction of the GOP spends their days at home in trailerparks, so surely they're very familiar with daytime TV. She probably have a huge GOP female following. The ladies just need to rise up and get their menfolk on board.

    Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.


    She's a very intelligent woman. That would disclaim her from ever being a GOP. Besides, the GOP is a club for old rich white conservative men.

    You've been drinking the lefty koolaid. The GOP is at least as diverse as the Dems. For example, the Dems have pushed out their budget hawks, yet the GOP still has there's. GOP even has "log cabin" gay Republicans. A pair of them used to live across the street from us. They were rabidly Conservative.

    IMO there's 2 fundamental issues where the Dems and the GOP don't agree. The GOP unwisely went after immigration. That was a dumb play for tinybrain voters that will hopefully embarrass them for the next several generations. 20yrs from now all Western nations will be looking for immigrants to come and pay taxes to support the gray hairs, some nations desperately so. Abortion. That should never have become a federal issue. Should have been left to the states. Should still be left to the states. So as long as a person doesn't have rabid feelings on one of those 2 issues, I could see them easily being swayed by the rhetoric of a charismatic candidate to vote for a party they don't normally do.

    Look how many GOP types switched over and voted for Obama just because he was a great speaker and he was black. Most everyone loved the idea of a black becoming President. Sure, the Dems don't believe that, but a critical pillar of Dem self-esteem is that "everyone else" is racist.

    GOP has had a number of black and female presidential candidates. None of them did all that well, but that was lack of charisma and rhetorical skills, not gender or race.

    Heck, given that both parties are largely advocating the same programs, the real differences are in what kind of rhetoric resonates with what kinds of voters.

    Seriously? Just look at Trump's cabinet and tell us again how "diverse" it is.

    This chart will dispute some of your other claims.


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    Heck, given that both parties are largely advocating the same programs, the real differences are in what kind of rhetoric resonates with what kinds of voters.

    You must have missed my response to your earlier claim of this, so I'll repeat it here:

    That would explain why the current administration is rolling back all the environmental protections from previous administrations. And many of the financial regulations/consumer protections. You still going with the view that you don't see any differences?

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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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    klehner wrote:
    RangerGress wrote:

    Heck, given that both parties are largely advocating the same programs, the real differences are in what kind of rhetoric resonates with what kinds of voters.


    You must have missed my response to your earlier claim of this, so I'll repeat it here:

    That would explain why the current administration is rolling back all the environmental protections from previous administrations. And many of the financial regulations/consumer protections. You still going with the view that you don't see any differences?

    We'd have to go case by case on those. It's so easy to spin those kinds of things one way or another. GOP presidents have pushed all sort of environmental and financial regulations over the years and all sorts of Dems were against those programs. Because party politics "trump" personal values.

    Dems have a history of histrionics in environmental, financial regulations, and consumer protections because it plays well to their masses. Some ideas are good, some aren't. Just because the Dems get excited over an issue doesn't make it a substantive issue that genuinely separates folks with different world views. It's very often just the rhetoric that causes separation.

    Re. "all the environmental protections". All? Really?

    Cervelo guy. The issue here is GOP vs. Dem, not Trump vs. Dem. Good try tho.

    When a conservative black or female rises to a position of power, the lefties treat them like shit. The lefties value diversity in gender and color, but not the most important kind of diversity....diversity of opinion, of worldview. I give you, for example, that bastion of lefty thought, our nation's universities.

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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [RangerGress] [ In reply to ]
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    Most importantly, what odds is modophal giving us on an oprah White House?
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [RangerGress] [ In reply to ]
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    "oreo cookie" is what I remember that fake god lover calling an AA GOP candidate.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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    Thanks, Trump.


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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [MOP_Mike] [ In reply to ]
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    I just came back from a month in the Philippines and during my time there, met up with an American and we talked about politics there. In the Philippines, they have 2 main qualifications for politicians, money and celebrity (that’s why Manny Pacqiao is a legitimate threat to be a future President, despite his complete lack of political skill and almost constant absence.

    The Philippines and many other countries have money and celebrity politics. Their Congress is full of former actors and beauty queens once they are voted in, they and/or their family members will be in office for generations.

    With Obama and Trump in the U.S and Trudeau in Canada, it seems we aren’t immune to the same.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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    big kahuna wrote:
    klehner wrote:
    RangerGress wrote:


    Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.


    That would explain why the current administration is rolling back all the environmental protections from previous administrations. And many of the financial regulations/consumer protections. You still going with the view that you don't see any differences?


    Donny Two-Scoops is quite something to behold, that's for sure. I fear what comes after him, too, precisely because he seems to have increased our tolerance level for the foolish and inane to near-cosmic levels. Ugh.

    Trump is a narcissistic buffoon, the real threat of Trump is that someone comes along using his playbook who is actually a danger to our institutions.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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    My teen daughter summed it up perfectly. “She’s got it in the bag; She’s Oprah!”
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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    Cripes, I forgot she was responsible for unleashing Dr Phil and Dr Oz onto the world. That would be a no from me.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [Sanuk] [ In reply to ]
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    Sanuk wrote:
    I just came back from a month in the Philippines and during my time there, met up with an American and we talked about politics there. In the Philippines, they have 2 main qualifications for politicians, money and celebrity (that’s why Manny Pacqiao is a legitimate threat to be a future President, despite his complete lack of political skill and almost constant absence.

    The Philippines and many other countries have money and celebrity politics. Their Congress is full of former actors and beauty queens once they are voted in, they and/or their family members will be in office for generations.

    With Obama and Trump in the U.S and Trudeau in Canada, it seems we aren’t immune to the same.

    I'd hardly call Obama or Trudeau a "celebrity". Justin was well known because his dad was a former PM. That makes only him well known (at least in Canada), but not a celebrity.
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    Cripes, I forgot she was responsible for unleashing Dr Phil and Dr Oz onto the world. That would be a no from me.

    I forgot about that too.
    https://www.inquisitr.com/...s-dr-phils-response/

    And then she goes and makes her speech at the Golden Globes.

    I'm beginning to think that we are much more fucked than I thought.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [M~] [ In reply to ]
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    Cripes, I forgot she was responsible for unleashing Dr Phil and Dr Oz onto the world. That would be a no from me.

    She won't run. Because she knew:



    She was apparently willing to serve as starlet bait for the man, too. So she knew. And did nothing.

    "Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [AndysStrongAle] [ In reply to ]
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    As people said, would her skills translate over?

    Can you see Oprah standing up to Putin? Iran? NK? Being Commander in Chief ordering slowguy and our military around?



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    She'd be hit hard with claims of being unqualified, with the right claiming that Trump's business experience made him qualified but Oprah "only" has celebrity status so "obviously" she's not qualified.

    Nevermind that she started with nothing and built up a media empire worth just as much as Trump's dealings.

    Personally, I'm waiting for Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson to throw his hat in the ring. The debates will be epic. "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!!"
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    RangerGress wrote:
    Oprah should run.

    But as a GOP candidate.

    First female black president and she's GOP. That'd be awesome. To hear the Dems talk, a good fraction of the GOP spends their days at home in trailerparks, so surely they're very familiar with daytime TV. She probably have a huge GOP female following. The ladies just need to rise up and get their menfolk on board.

    Ok, her leanings might not be obviously right-of-center, but frankly, I've not seen much difference between GOP actions and Dem actions in decades. They talk a little different, but once they're in office they all seem to push pretty much the same policies. So she's one clever script writer from being the GOP candidate.

    To say that 2020 would be a change election would be an understatement. Both sides would blow up. Seriously the Dems wouldn't know what to do--it literally would crush their remaining base + open up the big tent that the repubs love to talk about in a very real way.

    I've said for 2-3 years that whoever won in 2016 was likely to be a one term POTUS. That belief solidified when the unfortunate choice was Shrillary or The Donald. He hasn't done anything in his first term, outside of Gorsuch (and the rest of the judicial picks who I'm 99% sure TD couldn't pick out of a lineup) and signing whatever was put in front of him, that leads me to believe otherwise.

    2018 is going to make the RNC double-think their current all-in positioning. CA just lost another red seat with Ed Royce retiring. I don't think AZ is stupid enough to nominate Sherrif Joe for Senator, but anything is possible though that would be certain suicide/loss of a senate seat. But if the current RCP #s hold, and it is a 30-40 seat swing in the House, then suddenly 2020 becomes a very likely get-primaried time for POTUS.

    If I'm Nikki Haley I'm watching the polls in the 2nd half of 2018 & thinking about resigning at EOY. She would destroy TD in a primary, but only IF she could get the RNC's backing. Mitt could possibly do it, but I doubt the establishment wants to bet on him a second time around. Though a 40+ swing in House & RNC will run from TD and back anyone non twitter crazy. I have zero idea who the Dems will run--Biden blew it when he didn't just ease into Obama's seat, and Warren is a cancer on a number of levels. Gov Moonbeam would have an interesting run, and he's been on the national stage twice + has a very good track record of turning CA around (though the economy did more than he really did, but that applies to most politicians). I literally can't name another national Dem aside from Cuomo, and that name carries just as much baggage as it does identity....

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    what's remarkable is the extent to which her candidacy (or anyone's really, but hers in particular) is now discussed in relation to trump. he's really set a new bar.

    again with the parallels - which i think are many - to rob ford. after he left office toronto stayed with a conservative (despite other options including an labour-left option and a centrist technocrat), but elected basically the most boring, dry-toast, rich white corporate conservative in central casting.

    so maybe post-trump it's not opera but mitt romney who's the smart money?

    The last person to win the nomination, lose the general election, then come back and win later on was Nixon. Plus Romney's got prostrate cancer. I doubt he has a chance now..
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    Yup, I made that point that she started with $0 and is an insignificant percentage away from Trump's wealth herself, with him starting out with $200-250million in gift funds. Thus the quotation marks around "only" and "obviously," as those are the likely claims against her from the right.

    But now there are the Weinstein memes, which is just a bunch of conjecture that "she knew." It would take all of .000826 seconds of GoogleFu to find plenty of popular righties and lefties posing with that pig. But, of course, let's not talk about things like actual facts in our elections.

    A crapfest all around.


    RZ wrote:
    MidwestRoadie wrote:
    She'd be hit hard with claims of being unqualified, with the right claiming that Trump's business experience made him qualified but Oprah "only" has celebrity status so "obviously" she's not qualified.


    Nevermind that she started with nothing and built up a media empire worth just as much as Trump's dealings.

    Personally, I'm waiting for Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson to throw his hat in the ring. The debates will be epic. "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!!"
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    Yea, "she knew" but let's forget about the tape in which Trump himself brags about sexually assaulting women. What a shit-show.
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    But that was all locker room talk, wasn’t it? /pink

    Well, except for the specific married woman he was talking about when he said he “tried to move on her like a bitch.”


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    Yea, "she knew" but let's forget about the tape in which Trump himself brags about sexually assaulting women. What a shit-show.
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    Yea, "she knew" but let's forget about the tape in which Trump himself brags about sexually assaulting women. What a shit-show.

    Wait! What?!? Where is this tape? Why haven't I heard about it before?

    I know about the leaked Access Hollywood tape where he says:

    Trump: And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
    Bush: Whatever you want.
    Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.
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    Yea, "she knew" but let's forget about the tape in which Trump himself brags about sexually assaulting women. What a shit-show.


    Wait! What?!? Where is this tape? Why haven't I heard about it before?

    I know about the leaked Access Hollywood tape where he says:

    Trump: And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
    Bush: Whatever you want.
    Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

    So because Trump said "they let you do it," it means they all welcomed it?

    Seems not though...

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/...m_term=.6df924d5b414
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    So because Trump said "they let you do it," it means they all welcomed it?

    No, it means that there is not a tape where he 'brags about sexually assaulting women'.
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    So because Trump said "they let you do it," it means they all welcomed it?


    No, it means that there is not a tape where he 'brags about sexually assaulting women'.

    Yes, I know what you were inferring, but just because he *thinks* they let him do it, doesn't mean they wanted him to do it, which effectively makes it sexual assualt. Anyway, good to know you are keen to defend him in this way. I guess it fits with your overall narrative.
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    efernand wrote:
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    So because Trump said "they let you do it," it means they all welcomed it?


    No, it means that there is not a tape where he 'brags about sexually assaulting women'.


    Um, I am pretty sure that people who do sexually assault people don't go around saying things like "Yeah when you are a celebrity, you can sexually assault whomever you want." I am sure HE thinks they "let him" do it. That doesn't make it so.
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    Yes, I know what you were inferring, but just because he *thinks* they let him do it, doesn't mean they wanted him to do it, which effectively makes it sexual assualt. Anyway, good to know you are keen to defend him in this way. I guess it fits with your overall narrative.

    I wasn't inferring anything. Or defending President Trump. I was just pointing out that you were incorrect (or lying to fit your narrative) about what he said on tape.
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    Hate to break it to you, but it was RZ who wrote that, not me. Talk about lying to fit a narrative.
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    Hate to break it to you, but it was RZ who wrote that, not me. Talk about lying to fit a narrative.

    Ooops. My bad. My original reply was directed at RZ.

    So, why did you insert yourself in that exchange, if not to support their narrative that he admitted to sexual assault on tape?
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    Well, let’s be clear about his entire exchange with Bush. He (DJT) pointed to a specific woman and said that he “tried to move on her like a bitch,” and then continued to speak about how they “let you do whatever you want.” People who exhibit normal mating behavior don’t think in those terms of conquest and conquer.



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    So because Trump said "they let you do it," it means they all welcomed it?

    No, it means that there is not a tape where he 'brags about sexually assaulting women'.
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    People who exhibit normal mating behavior don’t think in those terms of conquest and conquer.

    I never said they did.

    But it's tiring to continually hear people say that he actually admits to sexual assault on that tape.

    Constantly repeating a lie, doesn't make it the truth.
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    Assault in the rape sense? No.

    Assault in the, “I’m going to try to force myself onto someone in a creepy way and move before asking for consent” sense. Abso-fucking-lutely did he admit to that.

    On that tape is a specific description of a specific person, a description of how he gets away with things, and no other reasonable way to read that than DJT is, at best, a gropey, self-entitled, misogynistic pig.

    Admit it, if this were Bill Clinton you’d come to the same conclusion.


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    People who exhibit normal mating behavior don’t think in those terms of conquest and conquer.

    I never said they did.

    But it's tiring to continually hear people say that he actually admits to sexual assault on that tape.

    Constantly repeating a lie, doesn't make it the truth.
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    I'd hardly call Obama or Trudeau a "celebrity". Justin was well known because his dad was a former PM. That makes only him well known (at least in Canada), but not a celebrity.[/quote]
    Yes, he’s not a celebrity in terms of an actor or athlete but he was well known as a former PM’s son, had no political experience and ran on a platform of doing things differently because of those qualities. In his case, the term celebrity is probably wrong but given his age, focus on his looks and the idea that he isn’t part of the establishment, it’s not a big leap to see similarities.
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    FishyJoe wrote:
    There are lots of qualified candidates. There seem to be no qualified candidates willing to run. We only have the rejects who are crazy enough to run.

    I was in an audience where Colin Powell gave a speech to a bunch of business people. He addressed what needed to be fixed in government and what traits were required to make a good President. I think everyone in attendance was ready to vote him in right there.
    He mentioned there is no way he would ever run for President. I think he is too sane as well as not being vain enough to run for President.
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    Bumble Bee wrote:
    FishyJoe wrote:
    There are lots of qualified candidates. There seem to be no qualified candidates willing to run. We only have the rejects who are crazy enough to run.


    I was in an audience where Colin Powell gave a speech to a bunch of business people. He addressed what needed to be fixed in government and what traits were required to make a good President. I think everyone in attendance was ready to vote him in right there.
    He mentioned there is no way he would ever run for President. I think he is too sane as well as not being vain enough to run for President.

    I was at an event where Powell spoke, back in 2008 or 2009 I think, and thought he came across as very balanced and a great potential candidate for POTUS.

    Then Rudy "9/11" Giuliani spoke and re-established the "douchebag politician" meme.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [efernand] [ In reply to ]
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    So because Trump said "they let you do it," it means they all welcomed it?


    No, it means that there is not a tape where he 'brags about sexually assaulting women'.


    All those women (they) "wanted it" and gave their explicit consent (as defined by law) to have their genitals fondled now didn't they Harvey?
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [RZ] [ In reply to ]
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    All those women (they) "wanted it" and gave their explicit consent (as defined by law) to have their genitals fondled now didn't they Harvey?

    Not sure what this has to do with mis-quoting the tape.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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    Ken, I'm quickly reminded of why I blocked that idiot years ago.

    Person gives away free stuff, and efernand has a problem with it because its not her stuff.

    Then when you call him out on the fact that she DOES give away lots of money, its irrelevant because she arranges to get other people to give free stuff.



    Anyone who can pull off that kind of mental gymnastics is not worth having in your feed.








    "I have no idea, nor do I care, whether she used her personal funds or facilitated this giveaway.

    What I care about is that her *personal* charitable giving is at least two, if not three, orders of magnitude greater than Trump, and as far as I know she has never been accused of using her charitable foundation for personal gain."

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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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    klehner wrote:
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    As a caveat, she is probably even more out of touch with reality than Trump is.

    A quick review of her early life, and a comparison to that of Trump, would change your view on that. I'm guessing Oprah pretty well understands the reality of life.

    The story going around Chicago was that she would throw a fit whenever the stylists would give her bigger size clothes. So the stylists started buying 2 of every dress; a small size and a larger size. They would then take the small tag and sew it into the larger dress, so she would always think she was maintaining the same size clothes.
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    Re: Could Oprah do it? [RZ] [ In reply to ]
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    On a positive note, its taking longer and longer before trump is brought into the discussion....way to ruin a thread...don't you have trump tweets to go whine about?


    Speaking of wine, I don't drink it, so, I am going to have some whiskey!
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