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Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist?
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The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch??? It seems that most of the teams exist to promote a brand and the team members get access to highly discounted product in return. Slowtwitch is a brand with Facebook being arguably the greatest competition going forward - some Facebook groups already have teams going like the Pathetics group. Dan has arguably the most connections in the business and should have considerable pull in getting to work with sponsors that Slowtwitch users would want to work with.


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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Great idea! Discounted team kits, gear!

How has no one thought of this before ?
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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there were slowtwitch kits for a while, that much i know.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [EnderWiggan] [ In reply to ]
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I still have a OLD Slowtwitch (orange and blue) kit. I think there was a lack of interest.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Every Man Dan sponsored by Velotron™
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Derekl] [ In reply to ]
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Didn't know Dan made Quintanaroo deodorant?

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Wil there be factions within the team? Infighting? Will Dave get snowflaked? Frank Day will bandit and Paulo heckle the team from the sidelines?

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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This sounds more like a weekly comic strip

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I guess because a team needs at least a little unity?

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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JasoninHalifax wrote:
Wil there be factions within the team? Infighting? Will Dave get snowflaked? Frank Day will bandit and Paulo heckle the team from the sidelines?

I was thinking of Frank as coach and Dave as equipment manager.

What could go wrong ?
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [IT] [ In reply to ]
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We could have:

Disc brake lovers
Vehemently anti-disc brake
I hate Cervelo
I love Cervelo
All Europeans cheat
All Americans cheat

Factions to the team, among many, many others.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [IT] [ In reply to ]
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IT wrote:
I guess because a team needs at least a little unity?


You can do:

  • Biannual Training Camps (A challenge to get everyone together but EMJ does it)
  • Team Training Challenges like 100/100
  • Specific Races Where Everyone Is Expected To Compete And Thus Gain Special Treatment From The Race (more of a challenge but brings the community together)
  • USAT Clubs National Triathlon Challenge (Easy to do online)
  • Message Board With PM Functionality And Forum (this is ST)
  • Team Coach With Team Rates (I think coaches would kill for this consistency of business)



I think this would be a great idea and I think that it should be difficult to get on the team.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [LifeTri] [ In reply to ]
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LifeTri wrote:
IT wrote:
I guess because a team needs at least a little unity?


You can do:

  • Biannual Training Camps (A challenge to get everyone together but EMJ does it)
  • Team Training Challenges like 100/100
  • Specific Races Where Everyone Is Expected To Compete And Thus Gain Special Treatment From The Race (more of a challenge but brings the community together)
  • USAT Clubs National Triathlon Challenge (Easy to do online)
  • Message Board With PM Functionality And Forum (this is ST)
  • Team Coach With Team Rates (I think coaches would kill for this consistency of business)



I think this would be a great idea and I think that it should be difficult to get on the team.

Yes, it should be difficult!

After adding the much desired "Thumbs-up/Thumbs Down" feature to Slowtwitch, membership eligibility would be determined by the UP/DOWN ration on your posts. :)
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Way to steal my idea! (just kidding)

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...ost=6471702#p6471702

Matt
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Dan can't afford to order that many trucker hats.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Pun_Times] [ In reply to ]
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [the_thief] [ In reply to ]
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the_thief wrote:
Dan can't afford to order that many trucker hats.

Crap, I missed out on the trucker hat order?
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Only the most egregious aero sinners need apply.

Presenting... the Slowtwitch branded round bottle!
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Why is there not a Team Gerlach? Andy Potts, Chris McDonald and AJ Baucco have fielded teams in recent years.

You could offer special deals to your team members to the sponsors already listed in your signature. As you develop a brand more potential sponsors can come on board which would benefit you as an athlete.

Based on the content of your blog and posts here you could make your niche be a group that thinks outside of the box and finds some creative solutions. This could potentially open doors with supporters who aren't currently in the multisport market but could benefit from getting involved. Just some food for thought...
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch??? It seems that most of the teams exist to promote a brand and the team members get access to highly discounted product in return. Slowtwitch is a brand with Facebook being arguably the greatest competition going forward - some Facebook groups already have teams going like the Pathetics group. Dan has arguably the most connections in the business and should have considerable pull in getting to work with sponsors that Slowtwitch users would want to work with.

Because way back then, Slowtwitch was a Tribe.

But Times Change.
We have gotten or grown so far away from the Original, everything should be possible.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [kbd] [ In reply to ]
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kbd wrote:
Why is there not a Team Gerlach? Andy Potts, Chris McDonald and AJ Baucco have fielded teams in recent years.

You could offer special deals to your team members to the sponsors already listed in your signature. As you develop a brand more potential sponsors can come on board which would benefit you as an athlete.

Based on the content of your blog and posts here you could make your niche be a group that thinks outside of the box and finds some creative solutions. This could potentially open doors with supporters who aren't currently in the multisport market but could benefit from getting involved. Just some food for thought...

I would consider running it with Kiley ;)

Being serious, the main reason I haven't done teams in the past is I don't like pushing things I don't believe in. Being locked in that contract where you sign "I will not say anything that is even ever so slightly disparaging about XYZ its products, services, etc" simply doesn't work for my ethos. That doesn't mean bashing them, but when I get a warning for this post and I am asked to take it down from a sponsorship manager that pisses me off. I test things for my own curiosity and am searching for my own free speed and frankly companies should like that I actually test other things than just their products. It gives me a foundation to provide better feedback and it also gives me that niche you describe.

I do recognize how important the team culture and structure is and how everyday it is more and more important. Thinking about that ProFundMe, it is crazy that she thinks she has something to offer in triathlon. We are a me-me-me sport and professionals have very little influence, nor in this particular sport do you have the time to go full bore on sponsorship when these team essentially have someone working more or less full time on it. It is simply about efficiency at some point. Individual athletes are the mom-and-pop shops, while the teams are the Amazon's of the world.


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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I’d rock a slowtwitch onesie and/or a trucker hat. Fuck, this forum has helped me enormously to flatten the learning curve.

Then again...is Dan wanting a “winning team”...because unless there is a fight at the end of the race, not sure i can help there.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [the_thief] [ In reply to ]
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the_thief wrote:
Dan can't afford to order that many trucker hats.

I guess what would the hat look like. Would it be a big logo on the front then a slogan on the back that reads "where your seat is always too high and your cranks are too long"


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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I'm assuming by 'a big logo in the font' you mean:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._getting_P2888355-6/
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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timbasile wrote:
Only the most egregious aero sinners need apply.

Presenting... the Slowtwitch branded round bottle!

I am definitely going to be on the aero sinner faction

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [windschatten] [ In reply to ]
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windschatten wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch??? It seems that most of the teams exist to promote a brand and the team members get access to highly discounted product in return. Slowtwitch is a brand with Facebook being arguably the greatest competition going forward - some Facebook groups already have teams going like the Pathetics group. Dan has arguably the most connections in the business and should have considerable pull in getting to work with sponsors that Slowtwitch users would want to work with.


Because way back then, Slowtwitch was a Tribe.

But Times Change.
We have gotten or grown so far away from the Original, everything should be possible.

Still a tribe, the only difference is back then we were a Peaceful Tribe.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch??? It seems that most of the teams exist to promote a brand and the team members get access to highly discounted product in return. Slowtwitch is a brand with Facebook being arguably the greatest competition going forward - some Facebook groups already have teams going like the Pathetics group. Dan has arguably the most connections in the business and should have considerable pull in getting to work with sponsors that Slowtwitch users would want to work with.

i think you just need to look at his partners and you see this would not work
as he said in a trisport thread he does not want to be a competitor with shops as it is the shops that mainly attend his bike fitting camps ,
i would think that one of the reasons he is president of triathlon business is that he is seen as a more neutral person that brings people togheter and is more interested to grow the cake rather than getting a bigger slice of the cake.

At the same time I guess you are right many smaller tri forums feeling the pressure from facebook groups.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [pk] [ In reply to ]
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PK,

^^^ I think you nailed it. Good call. ^^^

I guess this puts more pressure on Thomas G to put a team together.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch??? It seems that most of the teams exist to promote a brand and the team members get access to highly discounted product in return. Slowtwitch is a brand with Facebook being arguably the greatest competition going forward - some Facebook groups already have teams going like the Pathetics group. Dan has arguably the most connections in the business and should have considerable pull in getting to work with sponsors that Slowtwitch users would want to work with.


Tom,

You and I discussed this privately earlier this year.

I really question the validity of these types of teams. Already, almost EVERY cyclist and triathlete in North America is eligible for some form of at minimum 15% discount for something - member of a club/team/association, entered in a race/event, etc . . It's important to understand that, that 15% is most retailers margin and a huge chunk of the wholesale margin - and it's just default being given away.

Now, let me be clear, discounting when used specifically and strategically, as a marketing/promotional tool can be VERY effective in creating sales and driving business. BUT, when it's so pervasive, wide-spread and a default thing in a whole business, then the goal-posts in the whole business has been moved!

The bike/tri business is in some challenging times right now. In fact, John Burke the CEO of Trek recently said in a speech, that if you are above being 3.5% DOWN in the business, you are doing well!!

It's got to the point that many consumers in the bike/tri business, feel like they are being ripped off, when they are paying MSRP or even paying that now default 15% off, at retail and they are demanding even greater discounts all the time!!

Good read here from Bike Business veteran Rick Vosper - https://www.linkedin.com/...ou-offf-rick-vosper/ - "No, Your Bike Shop Is Not Ripping You Off"

So, where I would start with the discussions with these Elite Triathlon Teams or ANY triathlon club/team is what purpose are they serving?


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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
the_thief wrote:
Dan can't afford to order that many trucker hats.


I guess what would the hat look like. Would it be a big logo on the front then a slogan on the back that reads "where your seat is always too high and your cranks are too long"



I didn't think about anything on the back, sorry

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:


I would consider running it with Kiley ;)


I like Team Cobra Ki...ley or Team Yippie Ki Ley Mutha Fucka

Here are some kit ideas;


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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Seriously - I consider any triathlete I see at the local races who's rocking FLO carbon wheels part of team ST. Where else would one find out about FLO wheels? (Ok, a few in BT.com, but mostly ST.)
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch???

i will host a team, under 2 conditions:

1. some folks among you all run it. you, for example, thomas. happy to have you run it.
2. there is a good reason to have it. a compelling reason that would make me want to join my own team.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Wil there be factions within the team? Infighting? Will Dave get snowflaked? Frank Day will bandit and Paulo heckle the team from the sidelines?

There have to be roles for Trash Talk and maybe R10C.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [FatandSlow] [ In reply to ]
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FatandSlow wrote:
JasoninHalifax wrote:
Wil there be factions within the team? Infighting? Will Dave get snowflaked? Frank Day will bandit and Paulo heckle the team from the sidelines?


There have to be roles for Trash Talk and maybe R10C.

Hotman will coach the team.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch???


i will host a team, under 2 conditions:

1. some folks among you all run it. you, for example, thomas. happy to have you run it.
2. there is a good reason to have it. a compelling reason that would make me want to join my own team.

I don't care who does what. I hope someone mandates that the kits MUST have only the athlete's ST username on it.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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I'm content supporting my local tri team, but I would love to be able to buy a ST t-shirt (cotton preferred) that I would wear at every race so I could connect face to face with others proud to wear the ST brand on their chest and promote ST to the multisport masses.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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I'd like it if Slowtwitch will sponsor my very very small 1 person team for next year. Maybe for a discount on the annual membership fee?

In return, I promise to rock the logo and never use capitalization.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Mark Lemmon] [ In reply to ]
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Mark Lemmon wrote:
I'm content supporting my local tri team, but I would love to be able to buy a ST t-shirt (cotton preferred) that I would wear at every race so I could connect face to face with others proud to wear the ST brand on their chest and promote ST to the multisport masses.
That is what the ST tattoo is for. /pink

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [kbd] [ In reply to ]
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kbd wrote:
Why is there not a Team Gerlach? Andy Potts, Chris McDonald and AJ Baucco have fielded teams in recent years.

You could offer special deals to your team members to the sponsors already listed in your signature. As you develop a brand more potential sponsors can come on board which would benefit you as an athlete.

Based on the content of your blog and posts here you could make your niche be a group that thinks outside of the box and finds some creative solutions. This could potentially open doors with supporters who aren't currently in the multisport market but could benefit from getting involved. Just some food for thought...

This. I would be more likely to join a Team Gerlach than a Slowtwitch team. Gerlach is always a good guy whereas some people REALLY don't like other people on ST and make it known.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Here's the official logo to be rocked:



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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:

I guess what would the hat look like. Would it be a big logo on the front then a slogan on the back that reads "where your seat is always too high and your cranks are too long"

let me know when yall get these hats made and ill paypal whoever the money haha.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
kbd wrote:
Why is there not a Team Gerlach? Andy Potts, Chris McDonald and AJ Baucco have fielded teams in recent years. Individual athletes are the mom-and-pop shops, while the teams are the Amazon's of the world.

Thomas, I so seldom disagree with what you say; yet, let's scale back on the Amazon analogy.

EnduranceTeams are much more like mom-and-pop shops that are likely to go out of business at the pro level and last only as long as the founders or their children stay involved. Individuals are individuals with an "anything to make a buck" approach to the sport. You are pretty respectable and good example of an Individual.

Most agree there are too many factions on ST at this time. We wouldn't have some people even shaking hands if they met, given the impression that I get.

Trying to get a team going might take away from your already proven success as an Individual.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Thomas Gerlach] [ In reply to ]
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Am I on the team if I have a ST kit in Zwift? It is the only reason I get any thumbs-up....

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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how do you unlock the ST kit?

the world's still turning? >>>>>>> the world's still turning
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [JasoninHalifax] [ In reply to ]
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Will there be a team LR---or will that merely be a warring faction, the dark underbelly as-it-were?

Maybe add an AR-15 and an LGBT rainbow to their special version of the kit.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Tom_hampton] [ In reply to ]
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Tom_hampton wrote:
Will there be a team LR---or will that merely be a warring faction, the dark underbelly as-it-were?

There will be a LR group, but they don't race. They'll just go to the pub and argue about guns.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch???


i will host a team, under 2 conditions:

1. some folks among you all run it. you, for example, thomas. happy to have you run it.
2. there is a good reason to have it. a compelling reason that would make me want to join my own team.

We wouldn't really need equipment discounts, perhaps we just meet up after races and argue with each other in person.

A list of topics can be published prior to each year so athletes can also take their post race debate into consideration when picking their race schedule.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Callin'] [ In reply to ]
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Callin' wrote:
how do you unlock the ST kit?

Enter the promo code SLOWTWITCH.

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
A list of topics can be published prior to each year so athletes can also take their post race debate into consideration when picking their race schedule.

Oh Oh oh! Post race seminars:

The Scientific method - how to talk like you use it without generating any meaningful data whatsoever
Sock Puppets for forum members
Technique vs. Propulsion - how to avoid getting faster in the water
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:

We wouldn't really need equipment discounts, perhaps we just meet up after races and argue with each other in person.



no sponsors | no races | nothing to see here
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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I would be happy to help. I have ran a team for a bike shop and been sponsorship coordinator for team I raced bikes with through this month..
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Travis R] [ In reply to ]
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You need to take off Kenny Powers. He's not trying to be the best at exercising. lol
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [SLOgoing] [ In reply to ]
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I've love rocking the Slowtwitch kit........on Zwift
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Culley22] [ In reply to ]
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Culley22 wrote:


Then again...is Dan wanting a “winning team”...because unless there is a fight at the end of the race, not sure i can help there.

You could always punch someone on your way through the finish chute like that one guy did...

Long Chile was a silly place.
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Slowman wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch???


i will host a team, under 2 conditions:

1. some folks among you all run it. you, for example, thomas. happy to have you run it.
2. there is a good reason to have it. a compelling reason that would make me want to join my own team.


How soon you forget....

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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [BCtriguy1] [ In reply to ]
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BCtriguy1 wrote:
Culley22 wrote:


Then again...is Dan wanting a “winning team”...because unless there is a fight at the end of the race, not sure i can help there.


You could always punch someone on your way through the finish chute like that one guy did...

I've always said to "balance the weight difference" there should be a sliding scale for results...with a fight to decide the final winner. I mean, I'm 6' 220, and in the scheme of the world that isn't "that big"...but at an Ironman race it's the anomaly (especially if you finish at a decent time). I remember looking around the finishing chute and thinking I was in the Wizard of Oz. Made me chuckle (both at the size difference and that these "skinny little people" dominated me).
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Re: Team Slowtwitch - Why does this NOT exist? [Trimeon] [ In reply to ]
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Trimeon wrote:
I would be happy to help. I have ran a team for a bike shop and been sponsorship coordinator for team I raced bikes with through this month..

well, bless your heart. that's half the problem (partly) solved. i don't think anyone should be tasked with all of that by himself (you included). i would like to think we'd have regional ambassadors or managers, because the expression of such a community would be physical, and local, and in-person. but i think that's a detail. that shouldn't be too hard.

now for the other parts. to me, i'm just not that interested in the discounts thing. for two reasons. first, i don't think the team's reason for being should conflict with the businesses of local service and goods providers. let's take trishop plano as an example, because trent nix may well read this. i don't want to go to cervelo and wrangle a 10 or 15 percent discount instead of that bike coming to our metro-dallas members thru trent's shop. i'd rather than trent, of his own accord, recognize the benefit of doing business with such a club and decide how he might work with the club to the mutual benefit of all. just, on trent's terms. i would wager that trend could come up with something much more valuable to members than any discount the club could negotiate directly with a vendor. (i can think of several things i would do if i was trent that would crush any discount a club could wrangle).

second, if slowtwitch was going to have its own club, i would want our ambitions to be grand. i'm 60. i can see the distant lights of the runway guiding my tenure as a multisporter in for a landing. i'm still afloat. i'm still flapping my wings. but nobody lives forever. in whatever time i have left i would want a slowtwitch club effort to have a mission or missions that were both inward and outward facing. rather than simply edifying ourselves i'd like to use our collective strength to good purpose. i'm specifically animated by the preservation, use, championing of our public lands. now more than ever, as we are about ready to basically privatize for heavy industry 2 million acres of the land currently held in public trust, i feel like using my voice to express what public lands have meant to me and will continue to mean to the citizens of this country.

so, whether it's this issue that animates me, or other themes important to you who live in atlanta or milwaukee or seattle or wherever, i would hope that a slowtwitch team means more than a jersey.

finally, there is one axiom that permeates everything i do or have always done on slowtwitch: we aren't swim/bike/run. we are getting from point A to B under human powered locomotion. we are about finding new and unique ways, thru technology, thru imagination, thru the power of community, to make that journey. if i have "one more left in me" it's probably going to be in the race production arena. i really wouldn't want to gin up interest in a club if that club's interest didn't include new, novel, unique expressions of multisport.

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Then again...is Dan wanting a “winning team”...because unless there is a fight at the end of the race, not sure i can help there.


You could always punch someone on your way through the finish chute like that one guy did...

I've always said to "balance the weight difference" there should be a sliding scale for results...with a fight to decide the final winner. I mean, I'm 6' 220, and in the scheme of the world that isn't "that big"...but at an Ironman race it's the anomaly (especially if you finish at a decent time). I remember looking around the finishing chute and thinking I was in the Wizard of Oz. Made me chuckle (both at the size difference and that these "skinny little people" dominated me).

Definitely. I was watching the finish line of a marathon once, and this guy comes flying by around 3 hours, shirt off, absolutely jacked, at around 6'1 and 200-220. He was an ex-NHL star in his 50's. I swear when he ran by everyone stopped cheering and just stared with a "wtf" look on their face at the anomaly running past. He looked like an absolute beast next to all the tiny skinny folk.

I'm 6'1 and 190ish, pretty normal size, but on the bigger side for an endurance 'athlete'.

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i would wager that trend could come up with something much more valuable to members than any discount the club could negotiate directly with a vendor. (i can think of several things i would do if i was trent that would crush any discount a club could wrangle).


EVERYONE seeking some form of sponsorship read this line of Dan's over, and over again, and make sure you FULLY understand it. Pitch to add VALUE, not get a 15% discount.

ALWAYs ASK -How can I add VALUE to the relationship? And no, getting a 15% discount, is not helping anyone, because as I noted earlier, EVERYONE now get's that discount!

Get it in your heads that the bike/tri business is actually suffering because of all the discounting. It's not helping, it's hindering!

No you are not getting ripped off at the bike shop. Go back to my previous post, and read the linked article, written by Rock Vosper. Starbucks - yes, you are being "ripped off" there! :)


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Trimeon wrote:
I would be happy to help. I have ran a team for a bike shop and been sponsorship coordinator for team I raced bikes with through this month..

well, bless your heart. that's half the problem (partly) solved. i don't think anyone should be tasked with all of that by himself (you included). i would like to think we'd have regional ambassadors or managers, because the expression of such a community would be physical, and local, and in-person. but i think that's a detail. that shouldn't be too hard.

now for the other parts. to me, i'm just not that interested in the discounts thing. for two reasons. first, i don't think the team's reason for being should conflict with the businesses of local service and goods providers. let's take trishop plano as an example, because trent nix may well read this. i don't want to go to cervelo and wrangle a 10 or 15 percent discount instead of that bike coming to our metro-dallas members thru trent's shop. i'd rather than trent, of his own accord, recognize the benefit of doing business with such a club and decide how he might work with the club to the mutual benefit of all. just, on trent's terms. i would wager that trend could come up with something much more valuable to members than any discount the club could negotiate directly with a vendor. (i can think of several things i would do if i was trent that would crush any discount a club could wrangle).

second, if slowtwitch was going to have its own club, i would want our ambitions to be grand. i'm 60. i can see the distant lights of the runway guiding my tenure as a multisporter in for a landing. i'm still afloat. i'm still flapping my wings. but nobody lives forever. in whatever time i have left i would want a slowtwitch club effort to have a mission or missions that were both inward and outward facing. rather than simply edifying ourselves i'd like to use our collective strength to good purpose. i'm specifically animated by the preservation, use, championing of our public lands. now more than ever, as we are about ready to basically privatize for heavy industry 2 million acres of the land currently held in public trust, i feel like using my voice to express what public lands have meant to me and will continue to mean to the citizens of this country.

so, whether it's this issue that animates me, or other themes important to you who live in atlanta or milwaukee or seattle or wherever, i would hope that a slowtwitch team means more than a jersey.

finally, there is one axiom that permeates everything i do or have always done on slowtwitch: we aren't swim/bike/run. we are getting from point A to B under human powered locomotion. we are about finding new and unique ways, thru technology, thru imagination, thru the power of community, to make that journey. if i have "one more left in me" it's probably going to be in the race production arena. i really wouldn't want to gin up interest in a club if that club's interest didn't include new, novel, unique expressions of multisport.

I'd absolutely love to help out as well, and I agree 100% with what the goals should be (outside of the actual "tri" events)

For anyone not aware of the land issue, Patagonia has a write up on their page, as well as ways to help
http://www.patagonia.com/home/

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i would hope that a slowtwitch team means more than a jersey.

Agreed! I'll help.

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I don't care who does what. I hope someone mandates that the kits MUST have only the athlete's ST username on it.

What if our racing kits already already spell out our username?


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Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch???


i will host a team, under 2 conditions:

1. some folks among you all run it. you, for example, thomas. happy to have you run it.
2. there is a good reason to have it. a compelling reason that would make me want to join my own team.

The appeal to me for a team is the camaraderie and cool kits. My local cycling team has both. We train together every weekend and Wednesdays in the summer. We have cool kits.

The continental teams like EMJ are appealing to me because they have some of the best LD tri folks around and they have an awesome looking training camp. And cool kits.

A big part of being on a slowtwitch team would hopefully be a training camp or two throughout the year at a cool location. And cool kits. I mean the forum here already does a lot for the camaraderie part too.
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i don't think the team's reason for being should conflict with the businesses of local service and goods providers.

i would want our ambitions to be grand. i'm specifically animated by the preservation, use, championing of our public lands. now more than ever, as we are about ready to basically privatize for heavy industry 2 million acres of the land currently held in public trust, i feel like using my voice to express what public lands have meant to me and will continue to mean to the citizens of this country.

i would hope that a slowtwitch team means more than a jersey.

we aren't swim/bike/run. we are getting from point A to B under human powered locomotion.

Sign me up for this stuff.

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Trimeon wrote:
I would be happy to help. I have ran a team for a bike shop and been sponsorship coordinator for team I raced bikes with through this month..


well, bless your heart. that's half the problem (partly) solved. i don't think anyone should be tasked with all of that by himself (you included). i would like to think we'd have regional ambassadors or managers, because the expression of such a community would be physical, and local, and in-person. but i think that's a detail. that shouldn't be too hard.

now for the other parts. to me, i'm just not that interested in the discounts thing. for two reasons. first, i don't think the team's reason for being should conflict with the businesses of local service and goods providers. let's take trishop plano as an example, because trent nix may well read this. i don't want to go to cervelo and wrangle a 10 or 15 percent discount instead of that bike coming to our metro-dallas members thru trent's shop. i'd rather than trent, of his own accord, recognize the benefit of doing business with such a club and decide how he might work with the club to the mutual benefit of all. just, on trent's terms. i would wager that trend could come up with something much more valuable to members than any discount the club could negotiate directly with a vendor. (i can think of several things i would do if i was trent that would crush any discount a club could wrangle).

second, if slowtwitch was going to have its own club, i would want our ambitions to be grand. i'm 60. i can see the distant lights of the runway guiding my tenure as a multisporter in for a landing. i'm still afloat. i'm still flapping my wings. but nobody lives forever. in whatever time i have left i would want a slowtwitch club effort to have a mission or missions that were both inward and outward facing. rather than simply edifying ourselves i'd like to use our collective strength to good purpose. i'm specifically animated by the preservation, use, championing of our public lands. now more than ever, as we are about ready to basically privatize for heavy industry 2 million acres of the land currently held in public trust, i feel like using my voice to express what public lands have meant to me and will continue to mean to the citizens of this country.

so, whether it's this issue that animates me, or other themes important to you who live in atlanta or milwaukee or seattle or wherever, i would hope that a slowtwitch team means more than a jersey.

finally, there is one axiom that permeates everything i do or have always done on slowtwitch: we aren't swim/bike/run. we are getting from point A to B under human powered locomotion. we are about finding new and unique ways, thru technology, thru imagination, thru the power of community, to make that journey. if i have "one more left in me" it's probably going to be in the race production arena. i really wouldn't want to gin up interest in a club if that club's interest didn't include new, novel, unique expressions of multisport.

Two of my Facebook peeves is people asking for discounts to local races and people asking for discounts on team clothing

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The Lavendar Room already has a team.

Here’s a photo....



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Does it come with power crank bibshorts?
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Two of my Facebook peeves is people asking for discounts to local races and people asking for discounts on team clothing


So back to the whole discounting thing.

If you look at the average income in triathlon and cycling, it's probably by most people's standards pretty good. There is no recent data on this, but a survey from 2010 by USAT found the average income for triathletes to be $128,000. I've seen something in IRONMAN press releases that the average for IM races is over $150,000!

Yet there you have, the banker, the doctor, the lawyer, and the average triathlete standing in the bike/tri shop, haggling for even more than what is now the default standard discount, that I've noted a number of times that EVERYONE get's of 15%. They want more off. No, they are demanding that they get more off, like they REALLY need it! Do they?


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If you look at the average income in triathlon and cycling, it's probably by most people's standards pretty good. There is no recent data on this, but a survey from 2010 by USAT found the average income for triathletes to be $128,000. I've seen something in IRONMAN press releases that the average for IM races is over $150,000!

All I can say is I wish I made anything even remotely close to those numbers. Heck within 30-40k of those numbers would make me ecstatic.
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Slowman wrote:
Thomas Gerlach wrote:
The James Haycraft thread over here got me thinking. Why on earth is there NOT a Team Slowtwitch???


i will host a team, under 2 conditions:

1. some folks among you all run it. you, for example, thomas. happy to have you run it.
2. there is a good reason to have it. a compelling reason that would make me want to join my own team.


The appeal to me for a team is the camaraderie and cool kits. My local cycling team has both. We train together every weekend and Wednesdays in the summer. We have cool kits.

The continental teams like EMJ are appealing to me because they have some of the best LD tri folks around and they have an awesome looking training camp. And cool kits.

A big part of being on a slowtwitch team would hopefully be a training camp or two throughout the year at a cool location. And cool kits. I mean the forum here already does a lot for the camaraderie part too.


Yeah, let's do it for the cool kits and the satisfaction of individuals that need to belong somewhere.

Satisfy all the seedy, needy and greedy.

I'd advice Slowman against taking up with that nonsense. Not worth it (even for a noble cause).
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tyme wrote:
Fleck wrote:
If you look at the average income in triathlon and cycling, it's probably by most people's standards pretty good. There is no recent data on this, but a survey from 2010 by USAT found the average income for triathletes to be $128,000. I've seen something in IRONMAN press releases that the average for IM races is over $150,000!

All I can say is I wish I made anything even remotely close to those numbers. Heck within 30-40k of those numbers would make me ecstatic.

I think he is talking “house hold” if you are in your 40’s + not that hard if you don’t have kids.

Of course I am Canadian so grain of salt.

Also depends on disposable availability, if you stay in a small house, don’t have kids and keep your cars for a while then you are in better shape.

For us disposable time is now 10x more important than disposable $$.

Maurice
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tyme wrote:
Fleck wrote:
If you look at the average income in triathlon and cycling, it's probably by most people's standards pretty good. There is no recent data on this, but a survey from 2010 by USAT found the average income for triathletes to be $128,000. I've seen something in IRONMAN press releases that the average for IM races is over $150,000!


All I can say is I wish I made anything even remotely close to those numbers. Heck within 30-40k of those numbers would make me ecstatic.

Household or individual???

Not like it matters, because we're way below on either metric

#BOPPP = Back of Pack Poor Person

I can barely squeeze a local 5 fucking K into the budget; that why I do free shit like 100/100 challenges, Screaming Tortise Black Fridays and so on

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second, if slowtwitch was going to have its own club, i would want our ambitions to be grand.

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Two of my Facebook peeves is people asking for discounts to local races and people asking for discounts on team clothing


So back to the whole discounting thing.

If you look at the average income in triathlon and cycling, it's probably by most people's standards pretty good. There is no recent data on this, but a survey from 2010 by USAT found the average income for triathletes to be $128,000. I've seen something in IRONMAN press releases that the average for IM races is over $150,00

Yet there you have, the banker, the doctor, the lawyer, and the average triathlete standing in the bike/tri shop, haggling for even more than what is now the default standard discount, that I've noted a number of times that EVERYONE get's of 15%. They want more off. No, they are demanding that they get more off, like they REALLY need it! Do they?

How many companies, in how many industries, have regained pricing power in the last decade? Consumers were trained to seek discounts and there's still a LOT of that. Almost everything has a JCPenney-style discount built in, so people avoid retail prices like the plague.

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that speed, for lack of a better word, is good. Speed is right, Speed works. Speed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
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hadukla wrote:
timbasile wrote:
Only the most egregious aero sinners need apply.

Presenting... the Slowtwitch branded round bottle!

I am definitely going to be on the aero sinner faction

We should have a "poor fit" cadre while we're at it. Everyone's seat should be too high.
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