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I guess since Jim says it's awesome I should go ahead and just send my money over now, even though my Alpha X bars work just fine. I'm curious to see how this bar improves on the Alpha X.
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Re: TriRig One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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I was going to start a thread to see everyone’s guesses on the improvement over the alpha x.

I’ll start.... 10 watts or 3 min over an IM.

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Re: TriRig One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I already asked him on IG if I could go ahead and send him my money, no response lol.

I think the main improvement is going to be ease/quickness of adjustment, not necessarily that much more aero. And that is reason enough for me to buy it and sell my alpha x as I'm planning to go see Jim in a couple of months. Being able to make changes quickly during aero testing should be huge.

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Re: TriRig One [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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I thought the alpha x was supposed to be super adjustable already. Is there really that much room for improvement?
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Re: TriRig One [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone want to sell their Alpha X to upgrade? I am ready to buy. 😀
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Re: TriRig One [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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There is always room to make minor changes, call them game changers, upgrades etc and cause everyone to want to pay more money for your product. See Apple.

I bet it will be pretty cool though. I’m looking forward to at least seeing it.

Reminds me of this...


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Re: TriRig One [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
I thought the alpha x was supposed to be super adjustable already. Is there really that much room for improvement?

If you put someone on a fit bike and get there exact measurements, then the alpha x is pretty awesome. Except you have to buy an additional tilt kit if you want to angle your arms up. And you have to buy an additional adapter if you want your pads slammed with the extensions in line with the base bar.

But if you want to tinker it is a complete pain in the ass. Have to swap out little spacers and every time you do that you have to basically take the thing completely apart and put it back together again. Very time consuming.

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Re: TriRig One [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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But if you want to tinker it is a complete pain in the ass. Have to swap out little spacers and every time you do that you have to basically take the thing completely apart and put it back together again. Very time consuming.

it's pretty much like this with every bike. If you have Di2 or eTap it becomes a little bit easier but still.

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Re: TriRig One [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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cloy wrote:
Does anyone want to sell their Alpha X to upgrade? I am ready to buy. 😀[/quote



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Re: TriRig One [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Unless one is a massive disappointment my alpha x will be for sale.

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Re: TriRig One [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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No, really. PM me if you decide to pull the trigger.
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Re: TriRig One [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Can you hit any reach numbers ( with in reason)? The pad adjustments look pretty large 20 mm and no stem adjustment. I'm not super happy with my Zipp Vuka but I'm really dialed in so I'm hesitant to change.
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Re: TriRig One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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If anyone wants to get ride of their Alpha's PM me.
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Re: TriRig One [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Did you use the calculator on the website? If you are locked in on a specific stack and use of stem shims vs pad shims (like if you want to completely slam the stem and only use pad spacers), then you only have 3 reach options. But the pads are pretty large and can accommodate you moving in between the 3 fixed positions.

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Re: TriRig One [imswimmer328] [ In reply to ]
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imswimmer328 wrote:
I thought the alpha x was supposed to be super adjustable already. Is there really that much room for improvement?

it was super adjustable. but not super duper adjustable. its one achilles adjustment heel was in length: it was a long bar, and didn't adjust back as well as it adjusted in every other plane.


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Re: TriRig One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe I'm dumb....where is info on the One? Can't find any.
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Re: TriRig One [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Dumbass! It’s scheduled for release tomorrow.

Cheers,

Scott
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Re: TriRig One [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Yeah I did. But I'm still Leary about the reach adjustment.
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Re: TriRig One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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refthimos wrote:
I guess since Jim says it's awesome I should go ahead and just send my money over now, even though my Alpha X bars work just fine. I'm curious to see how this bar improves on the Alpha X.


I hope:
  1. Enough of the one bolt, steerer crushing (at below specified torque) stem. 2 bolt works just fine thanks.
  2. Improve the wire routing. Some holes/routing are unusable due to carbon pieces blocking the path.
  3. Make room for the Blip Box or please talk Sram into improving their monstrosity.
  4. Integrate the Hydration (see Profile Design for ideas but ignore their use of a 2lb stem).
  5. Don't take everyone's money with the promise of a totally unrealistic delivery timeframe (see TriRig or Tesla for examples)

Otherwise, still love the Alpha X.
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GreatScott wrote:
Hey Dumbass! It’s scheduled for release tomorrow.

Cheers,

Scott

How do we know this?
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Re: TriRig One [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone have a idea on the price of the ONE?
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Re: TriRig One [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Seeing how it’s not released till tomorrow...

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Re: TriRig One [damon.lebeouf] [ In reply to ]
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Ok.... let's guess
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Re: TriRig One [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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I’ve been sworn to secrecy, but it’s a good price if what I heard was true.

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Re: TriRig One [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Last edited by: GreatScott: Nov 21, 17 17:46
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Re: TriRig One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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While i was reading the thread, the video just dropped on YouTube
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Re: TriRig One [Elktonkool] [ In reply to ]
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It looks beautiful!!!
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Re: TriRig One [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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Looks really clever, though would be good to see a real one and not just the rendering.

I guess for non-Omni bikes you're supposed to cut any extra length of the "stack bar" once you figure out your stack?

Edit: It's also up in the store on TriRig's page. Slowman gets the award for most puns ever in a promotional blurb.
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Re: TriRig One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lJ7tDsv4A

I will say that Nick has a knack for coming up with what simple, but still new, designs.
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Re: TriRig One [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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Doesn’t ship until March 2018.

get comfortable being uncomfortable
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Re: TriRig One [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lJ7tDsv4A

I will say that Nick has a knack for coming up with what simple, but still new, designs.

This one should pay some homage to Cervelo, though. (though it does improve upon Cervelo a little, at least by initial inspection)
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Re: TriRig One [cloy] [ In reply to ]
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They have my money.....impatiently waiting. Hell yes. Bad ass.
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Re: TriRig One [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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A more detailed look from aerogeeks! Looks good and makes me want to buy a P2/3 frame then use The One and make it super slick!

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Re: TriRig One [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lJ7tDsv4A

I will say that Nick has a knack for coming up with what simple, but still new, designs.

I wonder how that monopost is secured, really like the idea but if it’s just friction I’d like some evidence that hitting a bump wouldn’t result in it falling down (much)
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Re: TriRig One [SteveM] [ In reply to ]
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Wow, just wow. I thought this was going to be more like Trek's or speedshop's design. This is impressive. And UCI legal, too!


I am wondering how it would look on a regular bike. It looks tailored to their on Omni.

- Do you cut the monopost once you dial in your fit? The monopost will probably look out of place on another bike.
- Does it still hide a DI2 junction box? Does it hide DI2 cables. Loved how clean DI2 looks on an alpha X
- Love the design of the dragon fly, but can't help but be a bit concerned with its strength. If you ride really long and hit a bump. Can the dragon fly stand up to all the forward torque? The monopost looks solid as hell but the dragon fly less so
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SteveM wrote:
DFW_Tri wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lJ7tDsv4A

I will say that Nick has a knack for coming up with what simple, but still new, designs.


I wonder how that monopost is secured, really like the idea but if it’s just friction I’d like some evidence that hitting a bump wouldn’t result in it falling down (much)

There is a 4mm bolt on the front of the base bar.
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Re: TriRig One [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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Just sending my money in now as well. This will work perfect on a IA

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bloodyshogun wrote:
Wow, just wow. I thought this was going to be more like Trek's or speedshop's design. This is impressive. And UCI legal, too!


I am wondering how it would look on a regular bike. It looks tailored to their on Omni.

- Do you cut the monopost once you dial in your fit? The monopost will probably look out of place on another bike.
- Does it still hide a DI2 junction box? Does it hide DI2 cables. Loved how clean DI2 looks on an alpha X
- Love the design of the dragon fly, but can't help but be a bit concerned with its strength. If you ride really long and hit a bump. Can the dragon fly stand up to all the forward torque? The monopost looks solid as hell but the dragon fly less so

Putting mine on a Shiv. Plan to experiment a bit and then cut off the excess to clean up the front end. However, if you didn't cut it.....you are talking about an aerodynamic piece that sits in front of a wider head tube. It is possible that having the smaller piece in front of the head tube actually breaks up the wind and helps aerodynamically. Hoping that data is in the aero results when they publish.

It looks like the Di2 junction box fits under the dust cover. Would have been awesome if you could squeeze a blip box in there.
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I think everyone is assuming that the blip box will be going away soon, thus not designing for it.

Mike Alexander wrote:
Would have been awesome if you could squeeze a blip box in there.
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bloodyshogun wrote:
I think everyone is assuming that the blip box will be going away soon, thus not designing for it.

Mike Alexander wrote:
Would have been awesome if you could squeeze a blip box in there.

Yeah...I have heard those rumors.
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Re: TriRig One [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Looks amazing on the Omni - really completes that bike.

Questions for Nick:
- What is the extension width?
- Does the Aerobar Y include a headset cover?
- Any reason that the pad mount holes aren't 6mm wider each side to make the narrowest pad setting possible?
- Expected weight?
- What HTA is the straight Y increment based on?

Some observations:
- 8x as many possible configurations as the Alpha X, though this number is a little inflated by modelling the riser in 1mm increments. Even if we worked to 5mm steps (which is a pretty tight tolerance for most aerobar XY searches) it's still a significant step up from the Alpha X
- Still on the long side for reach for the wider market, good for those pursuing fast positions

XY Fit range vs Alpha X is the same apart from greater granularity on stack



Not as low as the extreme undermount position with Enve, but more overall Y range


Finer adjustment on Y and a touch lower than Profile Design Aeria Ultimate, but a lot less adjustment in X



More useful pad width options than Alpha X




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Doesn’t ship until March 2018.

Dammit!

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Re: TriRig One [Sean H] [ In reply to ]
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The specific shape of the BTA mount let me think that we'll can clip a aero hydration system ?
Perhaps tririg upgrade ?

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Re: TriRig Alpha One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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Does anyone know if this will work on older p2's as well? Looks great and have been thinking about a upgrade.
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Re: TriRig Alpha One [oscaro] [ In reply to ]
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as mentioned, first thing i thought when i saw it was P5X.

looks quite awesome and looks killer on the tririg bike.

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jrielley wrote:
A more detailed look from aerogeeks! Looks good and makes me want to buy a P2/3 frame then use The One and make it super slick!

I have three TriRig Alpha X bars, one on a P3. It is pretty nice, looks very sharp. I guess this new bar looks super adjustable, which is awesome, but I'm having a hard time understanding what is better about this bar if you have no trouble fitting the existing Alpha X? Given TriRig history with product quality, surprised so many people are lined up to be first users! Think I'd happily buy an Alpha X on sale instead.

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Re: TriRig One [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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ericlambi wrote:
jrielley wrote:
A more detailed look from aerogeeks! Looks good and makes me want to buy a P2/3 frame then use The One and make it super slick!

I have three TriRig Alpha X bars, one on a P3. It is pretty nice, looks very sharp. I guess this new bar looks super adjustable, which is awesome, but I'm having a hard time understanding what is better about this bar if you have no trouble fitting the existing Alpha X? Given TriRig history with product quality, surprised so many people are lined up to be first users! Think I'd happily buy an Alpha X on sale instead.

All the bike fitters are getting excited: easy to adjust so it makes their job much simpler and quicker.

And of course you'll need to visit them again to make more minor adjustments to get an even "better" position. And again. And again.

And where's the data/tests to show it really is their "fastest bar ever"?

Apart from the ease of adjustment I'd be surprised if there's any measurable real world performance benefit over the Alpha X.
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Re: TriRig One [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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Those running DI2 where would you put the junction box? Would I be better off with the Alpha X?
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Re: TriRig One [moonmonkey02] [ In reply to ]
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moonmonkey02 wrote:

And where's the data/tests to show it really is their "fastest bar ever"?

Apart from the ease of adjustment I'd be surprised if there's any measurable real world performance benefit over the Alpha X.

It’s slowtwitch.....

People are going to buy it because someone said it was fast

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Re: TriRig One [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
SteveM wrote:
DFW_Tri wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27lJ7tDsv4A

I will say that Nick has a knack for coming up with what simple, but still new, designs.


I wonder how that monopost is secured, really like the idea but if it’s just friction I’d like some evidence that hitting a bump wouldn’t result in it falling down (much)

There is a 4mm bolt on the front of the base bar.

Yeah, saw that, but how is it holding the monopost? If it's like the cervelo seatpost then it could drop over time, if it only falls a short way then it's probably not a big issue, but if a big bump caused a big drop it could get a bit sketchy.
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Re: TriRig One [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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where do you hide a di2 junction box? doesn't look like there is any place to do that on the bars and no mention on tririg site

personally, i'd prefer a more drop integrated stem to get base bar lower like the enve or profile set ups
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Re: TriRig One [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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What Am I missing...how does the One adjust back any more or differently than the Alpha ?
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Re: TriRig One [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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The bar looks sooo easy to adjust so, for me, getting a new bike and dialing in fit would be a lot easier. Now if I were to be putting a bar on an existing frame where I knew coordinates I don’t think it would matter as much.

But love the easy stack adjustment. I remember Trevor Wuertle saying he lowers/raises his P5x bats depending on course and distance of the race.

I’d be happy to take someone’s X cheap when they upgrade to The One!

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Re: TriRig One [jrielley] [ In reply to ]
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Will sell you mine for sure
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Re: TriRig One [jeffp] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, can a Di2 junction box fit be hidden? Also, is there any public data out there that compres the Enve bar/stem to this one? If the Di2 box won't fit inside the One, what does that do to its drag? Before I trade in my Enve bars, I'd need to know what I was gaining if anything.
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Re: TriRig One [Fishbum] [ In reply to ]
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Surprised it isn’t much more (at least with the free extensions special) than the now discounted alpha x
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Re: TriRig One [TPerry] [ In reply to ]
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TPerry wrote:
Yes, can a Di2 junction box fit be hidden?

Just looking at the photo, it appears to have the same sort of cavity inside the stem that the Alpha X has. The junction box fits in there.

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Re: TriRig One [UKINNY] [ In reply to ]
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Sorry... Weight question

What bar parts are actually weighed.... on the TriRig website it says

Alpha X - 650g
Alpha One - 920g

Anyone know ?
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Re: TriRig One [ericlambi] [ In reply to ]
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ericlambi wrote:
TPerry wrote:
Yes, can a Di2 junction box fit be hidden?


Just looking at the photo, it appears to have the same sort of cavity inside the stem that the Alpha X has. The junction box fits in there.

I already talked to them about the junction box. Here is what they said.


Me: Is there a compartment for the DI2 junction box on the Alpha one?

Tririg: Not exactly. Some smaller junctions can fit inside the stem cavity but not all of them.
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Re: TriRig One [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:
Looks amazing on the Omni - really completes that bike.

I don't know about you but seeing this bar makes me want to by the *Omni* and not just the One.... compelling.

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Re: TriRig One [TPerry] [ In reply to ]
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I would presume the stem asnper the previous bar/stem. I doubt there has been a direct comparison between the two bars particularly as it is Just out. Jim (ERO) might have some idea on how compatible they are aero wise.
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Re: TriRig One [TPerry] [ In reply to ]
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way too much time on your hands.......get back on your bike
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Re: TriRig One [Willi3ja] [ In reply to ]
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Willi3ja wrote:
Surprised it isn’t much more (at least with the free extensions special) than the now discounted alpha x

You guys will hate me for this, but I told Nick he wasn't charging enough for it. In fact, I think the price is waaaay to low. Luckily for you, he didn't listen to me.

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Re: TriRig One [Keith-OH] [ In reply to ]
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Keith-OH wrote:
ericlambi wrote:
TPerry wrote:
Yes, can a Di2 junction box fit be hidden?


Just looking at the photo, it appears to have the same sort of cavity inside the stem that the Alpha X has. The junction box fits in there.


I already talked to them about the junction box. Here is what they said.


Me: Is there a compartment for the DI2 junction box on the Alpha one?

Tririg: Not exactly. Some smaller junctions can fit inside the stem cavity but not all of them.

so no hidden DI2 box? well crap.

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Re: TriRig One [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Willi3ja wrote:
Surprised it isn’t much more (at least with the free extensions special) than the now discounted alpha x


You guys will hate me for this, but I told Nick he wasn't charging enough for it. In fact, I think the price is waaaay to low. Luckily for you, he didn't listen to me.

You always say this about new products that launch with top-of-market pricing. The Giro Aerohead was and is expensive as shit, and so is the TriRig One (and all other TriRig products). $1,000 is a huge sum of money for a component on a bicycle, and this is a component sold directly to consumers! You have to figure 80% gross margins on this stuff.

Let me guess, though.... You tested it at the velodrome and it's 15 watts faster that the Alpha X? Is that less or more than Tim O'Donnell gained from the Aerohead?
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Re: TriRig Alpha One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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refthimos wrote:
I guess since Jim says it's awesome I should go ahead and just send my money over now

Which is just such a ridiculous thing. Especially when this is the same person arguing for you to need to send as much money over as possible!
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Re: TriRig One [UKINNY] [ In reply to ]
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Sweet! Good thing is the March date leaves me enough time to save money and find a good deal on a frame.

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Re: TriRig One [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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Jim@EROsports wrote:
Willi3ja wrote:
Surprised it isn’t much more (at least with the free extensions special) than the now discounted alpha x


You guys will hate me for this, but I told Nick he wasn't charging enough for it. In fact, I think the price is waaaay to low. Luckily for you, he didn't listen to me.

kind of a category killer... not only is he not charging more, or more than other brands, but he's only charging what he used to charge for AlphaX and is passing the savings on to that tier by discounting the X.

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Re: TriRig One [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
Is that less or more than Tim O'Donnell gained from the Aerohead?

Tim gained because he stopped being a "periscope head"

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Re: TriRig One [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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ericMPro wrote:
kileyay wrote:
Is that less or more than Tim O'Donnell gained from the Aerohead?


Tim gained because he stopped being a "periscope head"

Actually, no, Tim gained because of Jim @ERO. I saw it right here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BbxMHSUHJIJ/

Night and day difference! Somebody fire Steinmetz!

And power output increased too!
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kileyay wrote:
Jim@EROsports wrote:
Willi3ja wrote:
Surprised it isn’t much more (at least with the free extensions special) than the now discounted alpha x


You guys will hate me for this, but I told Nick he wasn't charging enough for it. In fact, I think the price is waaaay to low. Luckily for you, he didn't listen to me.


You always say this about new products that launch with top-of-market pricing. The Giro Aerohead was and is expensive as shit, and so is the TriRig One (and all other TriRig products). $1,000 is a huge sum of money for a component on a bicycle, and this is a component sold directly to consumers! You have to figure 80% gross margins on this stuff.

Let me guess, though.... You tested it at the velodrome and it's 15 watts faster that the Alpha X? Is that less or more than Tim O'Donnell gained from the Aerohead?

Considering what competitors are selling their bars for, I would say $1K is pretty cheap for what you're getting. The market will let him know, but I'm betting he could have raised that price. I never blame anyone for creating something and selling it for what the market is willing to pay.

Haven't aero tested it yet. Likely don't plan to do so unless he wants to pay me to do it, or someone comes in to test.

Who said anything about the Aerohead testing fast on TO? We tested it, the P09, the Oakley, Smith, Bontrager, and others. You'll know what was best when you see him race in 2018. Assuming anything from a GIF is not wise.

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Re: TriRig One [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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To defend Matt, not that he needs it, that position wasn't from him. He's positioned TO in the past, but that was not his work.

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Re: TriRig One [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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I watched the video and thought “it’s a cool concept”. But then the showed the shot of the Omni and how it covers the monospacer when it’s below the stem and my thoughts became “well crap, should’ve waited a couple months to buy a new bike”

Matt
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Re: TriRig One [DFW_Tri] [ In reply to ]
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DFW_Tri wrote:
What Am I missing...how does the One adjust back any more or differently than the Alpha ?

i don't know that you're missing anything. the alpha x had one adjustment limitation: it didn't go back as far as i'd have liked. down? yes. out? yes. up? yes. back? less so.

i don't see that this is changed materially in the alpha one.


Dan Empfield
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Re: TriRig One [ericMPro] [ In reply to ]
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ericMPro wrote:
Jim@EROsports wrote:
Willi3ja wrote:
Surprised it isn’t much more (at least with the free extensions special) than the now discounted alpha x


You guys will hate me for this, but I told Nick he wasn't charging enough for it. In fact, I think the price is waaaay to low. Luckily for you, he didn't listen to me.


kind of a category killer... not only is he not charging more, or more than other brands, but he's only charging what he used to charge for AlphaX and is passing the savings on to that tier by discounting the X.

Actually, no. That's not how this stuff works. He has developed a new mold now, which is a huge fixed cost, so the new products have to remain expensive to cover that incremental cost. As you amortize the...fuck it. Just, this isn't going to save anyone money, including TriRig.

I have to say, I don't understand this product. I don't understand why you announce it 6 months in advance of its best case ready-by date, which is "March" (July? September?) when it doesn't even seem there is a working/functional prototype. Nobody domestically is buying new front ends right now. It's cold as all hell outside. So why do fire sale pricing on your soon-to-be -- or not so soon to be, as it may turn out -- 'legacy' product, just so that you can clear out a bunch of inventory months in advance, with the new product leaked days before Black Friday. So I don't get any of that.

I also don't understand how we hear all this talk about UCI-Illegal front ends and monster air foils and the wisdom of hiding your junction box and wires and how that means SPEED, but then we are supposed to put this 'improvement' on the bike, which takes a big step backwards in all of those categories except for the speed you can get at your annual pilgrimage to A2. And it's heavier? The Omni is already heavy as shit.

Besides all that, what about this single 4 MM bolt that holds the mono riser jawn, secured by a pushing wedge? If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what does. The hell if I'm running that at the top of the stack envelope on the roads I ride, not that I would need to. We all saw the Factor-gate video. And then for those, like me, who are riding the lowest line on the stack envelope, this product makes even less sense compared to an Alpha X.

Is it possible that we are going too far in the name of adjustability with all this? It just feels like there are too many compromises.

And I don't see how the compromises make it make sense as a front end for someone who either a) knows their fit and/or desired fit well or b) knows nothing about how to alter their on fit. So, for the most experienced and simply for most triathletes, the primary advantage of the product is largely lost. Sure, this makes the life of a fitter recently...I get that. There are already a bunch of fitters shilling for it here. And it seems to nicely complete the Omni. But I just don't see it being successful -- or at least, not as successful as predecessor products -- unless the execution is just unspeakably good. And that has not always been the case with TriRig's most ambitious new products.

The Alpha X is already a best in class front end, and probably among the fastest. I think I would stick with it for the foreseeable future.
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Re: TriRig One [Slowman] [ In reply to ]
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Oh ok I thought you indicated the One addressed that limitation.
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Re: TriRig One [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:

Questions for Nick:
- Does the Aerobar Y include a headset cover?

One of the renderings on the TriRig site shows that the stem includes an inset underside to function as a built in headset cover. So my guess would be the y data is based on it sitting down near the toptube w/o an additional headset cover.
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Re: TriRig One [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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My primary concern in failure would be not the mast but the two bolt inserts that most of your weight will be on(arduro high V)

Also how are your shifter cables/wires being run from extensions back? I can’t see anything internal.

Maurice

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Re: TriRig One [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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“The Alpha X is already a best in class front end, and probably among the fastest. I think I would stick with it for the foreseeable future.“

Thanks for good perspective on the One.

How would you rate the Alpha X relative to Profile Design’s Aeria Ultimate? In other words, which bar do you think is a better choice for those that have settled into a position and are looking for something fast and reliable?

Scot
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Re: TriRig One [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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GreatScott wrote:
“The Alpha X is already a best in class front end, and probably among the fastest. I think I would stick with it for the foreseeable future.“

Thanks for good perspective on the One.

How would you rate the Alpha X relative to Profile Design’s Aeria Ultimate? In other words, which bar do you think is a better choice for those that have settled into a position and are looking for something fast and reliable?

Scot

i would be intersted in this too. with a qr pr6 disc with an integrated stem, i can't use the alpha x or one, so I'm choosing beteen the pd aeria ultimate and the new morf bars.

2018 Races: IM Santa Rosa, Vineman Monte Rio, Lake Tahoe 70.3
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Re: TriRig One [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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GreatScott wrote:
“The Alpha X is already a best in class front end, and probably among the fastest. I think I would stick with it for the foreseeable future.“

Thanks for good perspective on the One.

How would you rate the Alpha X relative to Profile Design’s Aeria Ultimate? In other words, which bar do you think is a better choice for those that have settled into a position and are looking for something fast and reliable?

Scot

If you are in the exact position (+/- 2mm) that you need on the Alpha X, I can’t imagine a scenario that the AU is going to be superior aerodynamically.

But because of how weird aero is and how dependent it is on your body and on your body being in the best position, there’s a very real possibility that the superior adjustability of the PD’s AU could trump the aero superiority of TriRig’s AX.

And that’s what Profile Design’s product may be boasting, even as their super adjustable bar solution doesn’t seem like a competitor aerodynamically. Look at the AU next to the 3T Ventus and they just aren’t similar.

But TriRig Alpha X seems pretty similar to the Ventus. Not as similar as the Premier Tactical bar is to the Ventus, but pretty similar.

They’re both good bars. As to what takes precedence — fit or aero — the answer is that they are equivalent and interchangeable and one in the fucking same. Fit is aero and aero is fit.

You’ll never be able to know which product is better for you (I.e. faster for you) without extensive testing. So just choose one in this case.

As we get into this era of peak aero and our equipment is, for all intents and purposes, performance equivalent, I guess we start to focus the conversation on fit and adjustability.

Which is great. Let’s have that talk.

But let’s not lose sight of the goal which is to get from point A to point B as fast as possible — and in specific cases, with enough left in your spine to run very fast for some distance.
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Re: TriRig One [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Thank you.

While I chew on that, there is also the viability of the AX. As you pointed out earlier, TriRig’s blowout of that bar implies a decision to discontinue the product and (eventually) the related customer support.

All good food for thought over the Thanksgiving Day feast.

Scott
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Re: TriRig One [Jim@EROsports] [ In reply to ]
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I guess if you go too expensive you move into the territory of super bikes with integrated front ends. In the UK the Trek Speed Concept frameset sells for £2500 and the new Cube Aerium C68 around £3500 both of which include integrated front ends (The cube also includes brakes).

If you go for a Cervelo P3 the frameset is £2299 add in a bar/stem combo if it is much over a grand then it become a bit less of a value way to gain a super bike.
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Re: TriRig One [GreatScott] [ In reply to ]
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GreatScott wrote:
How would you rate the Alpha X relative to Profile Design’s Aeria Ultimate? In other words, which bar do you think is a better choice for those that have settled into a position and are looking for something fast and reliable?

I expect the Alpha X would handily beat the AU in the tunnel for bike only testing. And the Alpha One would be further ahead.
Things change with a rider on though, much smaller gaps and sometimes reversed order.

AU far more adjustable so there is a higher chance of getting into a better position. Sometimes a 'settled position' turns out not to be the last word when gaining adjustability opens more positional options.

Here's an example of a fit I did last week where we switched a P3 from the stock 3T Vola (which are basically as fast as AU bike only). Had previously optimised his fit as much as possible with the Vola so baseline was with AU matched to that position.

Fit performed with Velogic 3D Motion (to track angles and lateral motion) and 3D Aero (dynamic frontal area measurement)



We could have hit the same position by tilting the whole Vola bar up 12 degrees and fitting a longer stem, but that's not really a practical solution. And while it turned out that his existing pad width was best for him - AU gave the possibility to make small changes to test that.

So having a more adjustable aerobar opened up the opportunity for far more significant aero changes than could be achieved by a change in the aerodynamics of the bar itself. And for an Elite - this is a big deal.

Note for Grill: 3D Aero is not intended to give an absolute CdA - it will be in the ballpark but is really intended for measuring changes in FA. His actual CdA would be a little lower than that.


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Re: TriRig One [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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When I look at the pictures on TriRig I am surprised by how much frontal area is a "flat plate". There aren't many shapes that have a higher Cd and the area, especially under the arm pads, looks to have a decent amount of surface area exposed. In the age of marginal gains, this doesn't look good to the eyeball windtunnel. Let's hope this is the prototype.
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Re: TriRig One [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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grumpier.mike wrote:
When I look at the pictures on TriRig I am surprised by how much frontal area is a "flat plate". There aren't many shapes that have a higher Cd and the area, especially under the arm pads, looks to have a decent amount of surface area exposed. In the age of marginal gains, this doesn't look good to the eyeball windtunnel. Let's hope this is the prototype.


Also the shaders used in rendering can only do some with a black model. I wouldn't assume that what looks flat really is.
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Re: TriRig Alpha One [refthimos] [ In reply to ]
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I have a TriRig Alpha X with tilt kit and gamma extensions that I'm about to place in the classifieds. If anyone is interested, please PM me.

I switched to the PD Aeria Ultimate. For no reason other than because I wanted to try it. The Alpha X is awesome. Nothing bad to say about it.

2018 Races:
Oceanside 70.3, Oceanside, CA, April 7th | Ironman Texas, The Woodlands, TX, April 28th | Finland 70.3, Lahti, Finland, June 30th | Jonkoping 70.3, Jonkoping, Sweden, July 8th | Waco 70.3, Waco, TX, October 28th

Gear: Dimond Bikes | Desoto Sport | Hoka One One
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Re: TriRig Alpha One - Gamma one [ In reply to ]
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If I remember right, if you pre ordered the Alpha One, you got a free set of Gamma One extensions that were due to be shipped in January.
Has anyone received their free extensions?
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Re: TriRig Alpha One - Gamma one [ccassidy] [ In reply to ]
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Gamma One has not shipped yet. They are finished, on their way from the factory now, and should be shipping before the month is out. Same with Gamma 24, same shipment.

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Re: TriRig One [Sanrafaeltri] [ In reply to ]
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Sanrafaeltri wrote:
GreatScott wrote:
“The Alpha X is already a best in class front end, and probably among the fastest. I think I would stick with it for the foreseeable future.“

Thanks for good perspective on the One.

How would you rate the Alpha X relative to Profile Design’s Aeria Ultimate? In other words, which bar do you think is a better choice for those that have settled into a position and are looking for something fast and reliable?

Scot


i would be intersted in this too. with a qr pr6 disc with an integrated stem, i can't use the alpha x or one, so I'm choosing beteen the pd aeria ultimate and the new morf bars.

As a MORF advocate and someone who really likes QR's bikes, I'd be cautious with combining the PR6 with the MORF bar. Make sure you have a plan for your hydration system. The MORF bar brings with it some new and interesting challenges :)

WTB: TriRig Omega SV (not x). PM me if you have one :)
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Re: TriRig One [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Green,

I talked with Frank about BTA hydration. He said this would work:

http://www.profile-design.com/product/hydration/aerodrink-basebar-bracket/


What are your thoughts?



2018 Races: IM Santa Rosa, Vineman Monte Rio, Lake Tahoe 70.3
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