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Clifton 4 Any blister issues?
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I ran in the OG Clifton's and loved them, both the 2 and 3 gave me blisters on the insides of my arches and I never had blisters at all...ever. Wondering if anyone experienced the same? If so, have you tried the 4 any luck there?
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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1 and 3 we had very little problems with customers getting blisters at the arch just behind the big joint. 2 and 4 gave a lot of issues at that point. Send back all 4’s.

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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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I had major issues with the 2's, but the 3's were fine for me. Absolutely loved the 1's and still have a treadmill only pair that has around 1000 miles on them. I really wish that Hoka would reissue those Clifton 1's - perfect shoe in my mind!!

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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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Goes to show everyone is different. My order of preference so far has been:

2 - Absolutely loved them. Favorite shoe of all time.
1 - Really liked them. They were like magic. How could a shoe be that big yet so light?
3 - They're ok. Don't cause any issues. They just lack the "it" factor for me.
4 - Haven't tried them yet but will be my next pair of road shoes when I need some.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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I think the 4s are the best ones yet, but I haven't had blisters with any of them.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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Hey Hoka! :) Bring back Clifton 1, just make the toe box a tiny bit more rounded so it doesn't taper so severely toward the little toe. Clifton 1 was the best shoe ever. I still have one pair left. Bring it back. Call it whatever you'd like. Doesn't have to be Clifton. As long as it's back. Pleeeease.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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I posted about this about a month or so ago. Clifton 4s are my first pair of Hokas. Ran 7.5m in them and started developing hot spots/blisters on the inside arch where the insole rubs. Still trying to figure out what the best solution is to fix this.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [cdoug55] [ In reply to ]
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i think the fix is the same thing i did to my 3's that made them stop rubbing my arch and that was to just trim a little off the insert where it rubs the arch. Easy fix.

No issues with my 4's love them.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [1xatbandcamp] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone found a shoe comparable to the Clifton 1 or 2? The 1 was good, the 2 was my favorite shoe of all time. Three never felt right and the 4 is ok, but heavy. I bought 8 pairs of the 2 when they were on close out. I’m down to my last pair and I’m pretty bummed. I’m hoping to find a good replacement shoe for next season.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [gregarious] [ In reply to ]
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One thing that I’ll add is that I saved the insoles from my Clifton 1’s and continue to use them. Much better and thinner insoles that latest iterations.

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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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My first Cliftons were V3. I never got running blisters until I tried those Cliftons. It was blister city! I got off the Hoka bandwagon and I'm back using a different brand/model. So, while I didn't hang around long enough to attest to V4, the V3 was plenty bad for me.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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I still have the 1's and the 2's and 3's. Maybe I'll try the insoles from the 1's and see if that works.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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I've run in the Infinite & Arahi and the Hoka insole is very sharp on the arch. Replaced it and no more blisters.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [jdais] [ In reply to ]
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I still have scars on my arches from using v3. When you compare the transition in that area to any other shoe competently made, you instantly see why it happens. The fact that they never got it right boggles my mind, but then again they never seemed to learn regarding toe boxes so what the hell.
Now I just use them for recovery runs so it's fine until they get fully retired to shoe heaven. And chicks dig scars.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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Have been blessed with being able to run in a variety of shoes inclusive of many, many marathons and IM's without issues. Clifton 4's for me cause blisters. Made an otherwise pleasurable day at IMLP this year a real painful affair. Stuck with them to figure it out and it is ~80% due to sock liner and the rest fit in my case. Replacing insole helps a lot, but they are off the list for long stuff, like some others just recovery runs. Oddly enough it never show itself in training, but likely the sweat and moisture from swim and bike made the feet a little more susceptible.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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My N=1

Ran 1 pair of Clifton 1 - no issues
Ran 4 pairs of Clifton 2 - no issues
Ran 1 pair of Clifton 3 - no real issues, but I also started running a pair of Clayton 2 at same time and these caused blisters inside the arch for me, or the combination of Clayton2/Clifton3 did. Although nothing to stop me from using them...

No idea yet on Clifton 4.

The only reason I ran more Clifton 2 tan the rest is because I found a great deal on them after 3 came out. Otherwise they're all almost the same to me... So far...
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [lordhong] [ In reply to ]
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Good to know that I'm not alone with the Clifton 4 blister issue...
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [amimarc] [ In reply to ]
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I noticed that there is still stock in a new color of the clifton 3's on hoka.com. I bought 4 pair of them. Any idea why Hoka would add a new Clifton 3 after they released the Clifton 4?
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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They're not calling it a Clifton though. As to the why, I have no idea. They're also having three (very) similar shoes at the same time around the Clayton. I don't get Hoka's strategy at all and in terms of economics it seems to my consumer mind like way too many SKUs, but hey.
Honestly I couldn't care less. I've steered away from Hoka to Saucony and plan on using the forthcoming Altra Duo (if it delivers as it seems it will) as my maxi cushioned trainer effectively retiring the Clifton 3 once and for all.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
I noticed that there is still stock in a new color of the clifton 3's on hoka.com. I bought 4 pair of them. Any idea why Hoka would add a new Clifton 3 after they released the Clifton 4?

I think they know the 4 has real issues. I saw where there already coming out with a 5 in the spring I think.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [Thorax] [ In reply to ]
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Thorax wrote:
They're not calling it a Clifton though. As to the why, I have no idea. They're also having three (very) similar shoes at the same time around the Clayton. I don't get Hoka's strategy at all and in terms of economics it seems to my consumer mind like way too many SKUs, but hey.
Honestly I couldn't care less. I've steered away from Hoka to Saucony and plan on using the forthcoming Altra Duo (if it delivers as it seems it will) as my maxi cushioned trainer effectively retiring the Clifton 3 once and for all.

The one I am referring to is called the Clifton 3. The color way showed up after the Clifton 4 was released and they still have every size available.

https://www.hokaoneone.com/...tart=8&cgid=sale
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
Thorax wrote:
They're not calling it a Clifton though. As to the why, I have no idea. They're also having three (very) similar shoes at the same time around the Clayton. I don't get Hoka's strategy at all and in terms of economics it seems to my consumer mind like way too many SKUs, but hey.
Honestly I couldn't care less. I've steered away from Hoka to Saucony and plan on using the forthcoming Altra Duo (if it delivers as it seems it will) as my maxi cushioned trainer effectively retiring the Clifton 3 once and for all.


The one I am referring to is called the Clifton 3. The color way showed up after the Clifton 4 was released and they still have every size available.

https://www.hokaoneone.com/...tart=8&cgid=sale

They were going to call it something else...C3 bottom with a slightly different shell. If you look at Runnignwarehouse's blog it was shown in that color but under a different name back in the early fall.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [anthonypat] [ In reply to ]
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I honestly have no idea what they're thinking. They bring in the Clifton 4 and d/c Clifton 3. Then they announce the Napali (Clifton 3 with a better more conforming upper) for January 2018. Then out of nowhere they make the Clifton 3 available again with new colourways?
So they'll have Clifton 3, Clifton 4 and Napali at the same time. What a braintrust.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [Thorax] [ In reply to ]
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How about just bring back the Clifton 1 and never change it.....ever. That was an awesome shoe!

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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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I have a pair of recent Cliftons, that I guess must be the 4 - they are my 3rd pair over the past few years

I did get a gnarly blister when I went for my first long run in them - at the junction between my arch and ball of my foot. I did a few more short runs and decided it was the insole and just trimmed a small bit off the hotspot and that solved it.

I wonder if it's the thick cushion underneath that makes it tough for Hoka to get insoles right? I had problems with my first pair (2?) that kept slipping out of place - I ended up buying some Superfeet insoles to put in those. I've never had blister problems with other shoes...

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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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And...........
Here's the Clifton 5! ahah.

http://www.roadtrailrun.com/...views-bondi.html?m=1

Available June '18, heavier still than its predecessor at 9.4oz/266g (C4 9.3oz, C3 8.6oz). Supposedly featuring a more open mesh but it doesn't seem like the shape is much better and there's definitely added structure where the toes will meet the toebox.

Ah well.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [logella] [ In reply to ]
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logella wrote:
Goes to show everyone is different. My order of preference so far has been:

2 - Absolutely loved them. Favorite shoe of all time.
1 - Really liked them. They were like magic. How could a shoe be that big yet so light?
3 - They're ok. Don't cause any issues. They just lack the "it" factor for me.
4 - Haven't tried them yet but will be my next pair of road shoes when I need some.

Here's my subjective evaluation for Clifton's:
1 - Great shoe, would buy again.
2 - OK. Why did they change what wasn't broken? Dorks.
3 - Not as good as #1, but back on track although the weight is creeping up.
4 - Not even going to try it. They've lost their way.

The Clayton 1 did not work for me and I blistered in it, but I may give the Clayton 2 a try.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [natethomas] [ In reply to ]
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natethomas wrote:
How about just bring back the Clifton 1 and never change it.....ever. That was an awesome shoe!

I've been very lucky in the past couple months and have run with a few people that work for Hoka. I have picked and picked at what are you doing, what should we expect and WHERE THE FUCK IS THE CLIFTON 1?!?!

1) Cavu -- if you like the Clifton 1, this will be the closest thing you'll get for a while.
2) Mach -- supposedly they dropped the weight even more, cushioning didn't disappear and it should be a better shoe for Clayton lovers
3) What to expect --- LIGHT --- VERY FUCKING LIGHT --- 118 grams --- he was wearing a prototype (literally called the 118). He wore it once before I saw him and the bottom was already destroyed. He really liked the shoe but it was at best a 10k race shoe and you're only getting a few uses out of it.


And the most important information of all ---- THE CLIFTON 1 possible return --- absolutely NOTHING concrete. Sorry but we're a ways out... with that said... this was the first conversation I had where he basically said, "we're debating what to do exactly". They have the shoe, they're tweaking it but they know what we want supposedly. I've spoken with numerous people at the company and always say the same thing, "you can charge $250, we'll pay it"... they laugh but I think they're finally realizing there is a market thanks to Nike Vaporfly. The only other detail is that the upper is the "tweaking", at least that is what I took from our conversation. Keep the sole and tweak the look/feel of the upper.


And Hoka if you're reading this --- just bring it back. Don't change anything! Seriously. It was a dream. Whatever people complained about. Whatever dude talked about in THIS thread of the taper on the front... ignore them. JUST. BRING. IT. BACK.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [BrentwoodTriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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Similar to what I heard about a 5th anniversary c1, using most of the original shape and styling but tweaking it for comfort and longevity.

Looking forward to Cavu and Mach...and the Zero drop Clifton 5, the Altra Duo. : )
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [anthonypat] [ In reply to ]
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anthonypat wrote:
Similar to what I heard about a 5th anniversary c1, using most of the original shape and styling but tweaking it for comfort and longevity.

Looking forward to Cavu and Mach...and the Zero drop Clifton 5, the Altra Duo. : )

I totally forgot about that.. He did mention something about an "anniversary". Longevity typically means heavier... hopefully that is not the case.

I'm interested in the Cavu, they seem to like and anticipate people liking that shoe the most but it's slightly heavier and no sidewall which scares me off. However, if the Mach feels like the Clayton and comes in at 7.8oz (like he claimed), that is a pretty damn impressive IM shoe. I've had great results with the Clayton 1 and 2, so fingers crossed.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [BrentwoodTriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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Definitely try a Clayton Kona...it’s basiclaly a Clayton 2.5. Best riding one yet in my opinion, though had to trim the insole so it would ‘fit’ the footbed.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [anthonypat] [ In reply to ]
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anthonypat wrote:
Definitely try a Clayton Kona...it’s basiclaly a Clayton 2.5. Best riding one yet in my opinion, though had to trim the insole so it would ‘fit’ the footbed.

Thanks for the heads up... I'll snag a pair when they go on deep discount in February/March.
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [anthonypat] [ In reply to ]
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anthonypat wrote:
Definitely try a Clayton Kona...it’s basiclaly a Clayton 2.5. Best riding one yet in my opinion, though had to trim the insole so it would ‘fit’ the footbed.

SMUGLY!
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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [CBO] [ In reply to ]
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I have migrated over to mostly wearing Hokas even though I resisted for a long time. I now have Tracer, Hupana, Speed instinct, Clayton, and Clifton. My 1st Clifton was the 2 . . . perhaps it was because I was getting used to them and low drop, but I really didn't fully love the 2. I thought the 3's were GREAT! Because of this thread I thought I'd get a 4 just to see. I think the 4's may be my favorite shoes I have ever run in. For me, better fit and more responsive while still maintaining the Hoka feel. Note, I wear Superfeet and did not have the blister issue.

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Re: Clifton 4 Any blister issues? [BrentwoodTriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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BrentwoodTriGuy wrote:
anthonypat wrote:
Similar to what I heard about a 5th anniversary c1, using most of the original shape and styling but tweaking it for comfort and longevity.

Looking forward to Cavu and Mach...and the Zero drop Clifton 5, the Altra Duo. : )

I'm interested in the Cavu, they seem to like and anticipate people liking that shoe the most but it's slightly heavier and no sidewall which scares me off. However, if the Mach feels like the Clayton and comes in at 7.8oz (like he claimed), that is a pretty damn impressive IM shoe. I've had great results with the Clayton 1 and 2, so fingers crossed.

I’ve been running in the Cavu for a few weeks and absolutely love the shoe. It has replaced the Kinvara in my rotation. The upper is great and the shoe just feels good to run in. Perfect weight/cushion. I don’t recommend it for recovery days as I find it makes me want to run faster. I did just get in a pair of tracer 2s for races but haven’t tried them yet. Definitely recommend the Cavu though.
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