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Let's do this. I'm considering a couple of options (still) including a giant advanced pro sx and a niner RLT 9 BDO. Show me what you got.
Include tire clearance (we ain't got no hills in North Central Florida, but we have sand).

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I ride a stock Focus Mares CX. More of a true CX bike as 40C tires would barely fit.
As a light rider I think I can get away with slightly thinner tires.

I would consider an Orbea Terra if I just wanted a single purpose gravel bike.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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[/img]I built a Seven Red Sky this year. Mix between road and gravel bike. You can safely put up to 32mm tires on it. Rode it in a wet and muddy gravel/dirt race recently and it performed well.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I've got one of these.....

https://www.instagram.com/...en-by=blackdogenduro

and I'm getting one of these in November.....

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Happy days :-)
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Wifey's new bike. Firefly custom titanium with full carbon seattube/integrated seat post. It's an absolute thing of beauty.



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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GT Grade for me. Love this bike
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Fuji Jari w/Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700Cx44 tires

Here's what I wrote about it last spring after being asked about it post-Belgian Waffle Ride:

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"Bang-for-the-buck", it's really mind-blowing. The frame/fork is only $550 list. They've got the geometry right so it handles great both on and off road (it's currently my favorite bike for paved descents...just barely edging out my '86 Bianchi road bike). The rear dropouts are both QR and thru-axle compatible. It can handle 700c tires up to 47mm wide (IIRC) and it appears with a 650B wheel, even wider. Fender mounts (including fork eyelets), rack mounts, 3 water bottle positions, and even a set of top tube mounts for a bag/bento are all included. And the chainstays easily have clearance for even a standard road double crankset (53/39).
I picked up the frameset a few months ago and swapped most of the parts over from my previous MTB frame-based "all-road Frankenbike". As shown, it built up at just a hair over 20lbs. Of course, the Zipp 30 Course wheels and Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires help keep the weight reasonable.

Having ridden a 3T at Interbike last year (so having a point of comparison), I like to call the Jari a "poor man's Exploro" ;-) Yes, it's that good...and it even outshines the Exploro in a couple areas IMHO.



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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No idea of the tire clearance, but even with the 700C x 53 tires (installed below), it is enormous:



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I've got the Why Cycles R+ Force Carbon Kit. I have a 10-42 cassette, and I've been riding with 40mm tires. The bike has done gravel, grass, singletrack, and cross. I am going to put on Schwalbe Pro One Tubeless tires for the road when it gets wintry and I'll put away the rim brake bikes.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Diamondback Haanjo Trail. Currently stock. Handles singletrack pretty well, good road & gravel road behavior. Runs 42mm tires stock, should take 45's on 700 rims, can also run 650b, I think up to 50mm (haven't tried yet).
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Mine is the Orange OPEN U.P. (now the Classic). I'm running 2.1" 650B Schwalbe Thunder Burts. Clearance gets a little tight near the dropped stay, but I've no issue with rubbing. While I love the orange, I kind of wish I was in your position to be buying today. The NEW U.P. looks a lot cleaner with the new fork and there is also the option of the U.P.P.E.R if you're a weight weenie.

FWIW, the 3T in the back can run the same rubber as the OPEN.



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [boutreefitty] [ In reply to ]
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I have the same bike and absolutely love it
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [boutreefitty] [ In reply to ]
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How'd it do for cross? I've wanted an all 'rounder bike and thought about grabbing this or a Dean Antero but I'm a little apprehensive just given the reputation of overseas titanium. I'm not a little guy and throw down decent power...
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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My 2017 Diverge on Mt Evans - it goes anywhere!

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [JASpencer] [ In reply to ]
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I'm very new to cross, but I never once felt like I had to fight the bike. To me, it cornered well and got up to speed with no problem. I have the old i9 wheels (rebadged Reynolds Assaults), and the bike weighs in with egg beaters at about 18 pounds with the big 40mm Ramblers. I don't know if you can ask for much better from an alloy cross bike with 41mm deep rims and 40mm wide tires.

In all reality though, CX is an easy day for this type of bike. I'm not a 'little' guy and currently come in around 75kg. I did a gravel gran fondo that had about 20 miles of washboard downhill. I charged through the washboards and the bike came out like new. I was way more nervous about having carbon handlebars than having overseas titanium.
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Built this about 2 years ago around a steel frame from Ride Endpoint, called the Coffeegrinder. Had wheels made by a local guy, (ErGottwheels.com) with White industries hubs and a front dyno for some B&M Lights. Also have a Thomson dropper post and they gave me a beta handlebar mount for gravel bikes. Using Ultegra Di2 w/hydraulic discs. 700's are tight with my 35mm Schwalbe G-Ones but just capped 5K on this with most of it commuting. Recently brought the stem further down with a spacer rearrangement.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for this, Tom. I'm in the same boat as Francois...considering my gravel/adventure bike options. After photographing the Hell Hole Gravel Grind stage race the last 5 years, I told the race dudes I'm riding it next year. Just need a bike. So many good options. A lot of people riding carbon out there, but after watching the carnage the last 5 years....not sure I want to go that route.

But also, so little funds I want to spend after already buying a QR PR6 and a Litespeed CR1 this year.

I like that the Fuji has some eyelets. This rig will pull double duty as a daily commuter rig as well. Another reason not to go carbon.

The Fuji, with a good kit on it seems like a decent option.

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [TriBriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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TriBriGuy wrote:
Thanks for this, Tom. I'm in the same boat as Francois...considering my gravel/adventure bike options. After photographing the Hell Hole Gravel Grind stage race the last 5 years, I told the race dudes I'm riding it next year. Just need a bike. So many good options. A lot of people riding carbon out there, but after watching the carnage the last 5 years....not sure I want to go that route.

But also, so little funds I want to spend after already buying a QR PR6 and a Litespeed CR1 this year.

I like that the Fuji has some eyelets. This rig will pull double duty as a daily commuter rig as well. Another reason not to go carbon.

The Fuji, with a good kit on it seems like a decent option.

De nada...yeah, I'm quite agog at how good of a deal this aluminum frame/carbon fork setup is: nearly as light as a carbon frame setup with MORE features...and inexpensive to boot. Although it's less likely to get damaged with hard use (as compared to carbon)...even if it does, it's no big expense to just get another frameset at that price!



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Dude, come on. You ride (or at least ridden) with Gravel Cyclist of gravelcyclist.com, he's got this gravel bike thing figured out better than 99% of the folks riding gravel and several porn worthy rides.

Open is super nice... I like double chain rings though so I would not consider the 3T, you might. But there is something to be said for Ti for this kind of bike. Why Cycle R+ would be on my short list.

Suffer Well.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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Yes, but I like to look at pictures.

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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You said pictures....

https://brianfancher.photoshelter.com/...964/C0000_mOcKoVX1J8


https://brianfancher.photoshelter.com/...NV4/C0000_mOcKoVX1J8

https://brianfancher.photoshelter.com/...en0/C0000_mOcKoVX1J8

LOTS of porn in those, including a Niner RDO. That was a sweet bike, as was my buddy's black Open. It weighed 15.6 lbs. as seen in the photos. Crazy for a disc brake, big tire bike, if you ask me. My favorites were the both the titanium and the custom steel frames.

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
Dude, come on. You ride (or at least ridden) with Gravel Cyclist of gravelcyclist.com, he's got this gravel bike thing figured out better than 99% of the folks riding gravel and several porn worthy rides.

Open is super nice... I like double chain rings though so I would not consider the 3T, you might. But there is something to be said for Ti for this kind of bike. Why Cycle R+ would be on my short list.

I'm pretty sure there's a front derailleur hanger on the Exploro...I think you might be mistaking it with the new Strada.



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Here’s my English with 650b 48s.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Bonesbrigade] [ In reply to ]
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Wow....now we're talking!

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [TriBriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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TriBriGuy wrote:
You said pictures....


https://brianfancher.photoshelter.com/...964/C0000_mOcKoVX1J8


https://brianfancher.photoshelter.com/...NV4/C0000_mOcKoVX1J8

https://brianfancher.photoshelter.com/...en0/C0000_mOcKoVX1J8

LOTS of porn in those, including a Niner RDO. That was a sweet bike, as was my buddy's black Open. It weighed 15.6 lbs. as seen in the photos. Crazy for a disc brake, big tire bike, if you ask me. My favorites were the both the titanium and the custom steel frames.


Did you say custom steel and Ti? :-)

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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You guys are killing me! I signed up for the Michigan Coast 2 Coast Gravel Grinder (218 miles, Saginaw to Ludington) and had decided I couldn't justify a new bike until I fixed the engine. My 5 year old Trek X01 is fine... I can fit 40's on it and it's comfortable, but damn! There are some nice looking gravel bikes out there! I'm a big fan of the Salsa bikes... Warbird or the Fargo, depending on how aggressive you want to set things up.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Tom A.] [ In reply to ]
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You are absolutely correct. Got my 3T bikes mixed together.

Suffer Well.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Bonesbrigade] [ In reply to ]
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Well...that's it. You win this thread, Bones. That English is positively beautiful. Crazy nice rig!

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.saffronframeworks.com/...andrews-gravel-bike/

Ignore the blurb. I did not write it.

It is absolutely the dogs bollocks. Once i have my P1's back i will use it for everything.

All the things people hate; thru axles, discs and top spec and a collectors carbon saddle :)
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [TriBriGuy] [ In reply to ]
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TriBriGuy wrote:
Well...that's it. You win this thread, Bones. That English is positively beautiful. Crazy nice rig!

Thanks. It really is an amazing bike. I switch between 700x35 and 650x48. I've done some pretty awesome mixed surface rides on it with the 48s where I'll hit gravel, pavement and trails over 5 or 6 hours - so versatile!

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [boutreefitty] [ In reply to ]
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my R+, since then have put a 10-42 cassette on and it's awesome


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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [ollie3856] [ In reply to ]
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I wanted the deep wheels, and the only pair they had left had black hubs. I'm a big fan of adding some color to the small accessories, and I regret going straight black.



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [jmh] [ In reply to ]
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jmh wrote:
Dude, come on. You ride (or at least ridden) with Gravel Cyclist of gravelcyclist.com, he's got this gravel bike thing figured out better than 99% of the folks riding gravel and several porn worthy rides.

Open is super nice... I like double chain rings though so I would not consider the 3T, you might. But there is something to be said for Ti for this kind of bike. Why Cycle R+ would be on my short list.


Haha, I was just about to tell him to hook up with JOM at Gravel Cyclist since those guys are in Gainesville.

Francois, get something that will take up to 45mm tires. You're going to need it on the sugar sand roads of FL.
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Late-'80s PX40, frame and fork were €30. the rest is all parts bin leftovers.

Massive tyre clearance with the long-drop Tektro caliper brakes. Rides beautifully.

Am I doing this right.

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Barchettaman] [ In reply to ]
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Barchettaman wrote:


Late-'80s PX40, frame and fork were €30. the rest is all parts bin leftovers.

Massive tyre clearance with the long-drop Tektro caliper brakes. Rides beautifully.

Am I doing this right.

Absolutely!



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Here's my Open UPPER with Di2. I also have a set of 650B Enve M50s with Compass Switchback Hill 48mm tires.


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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Raleigh Tamland 1. 40+ tire clearance. It’s steel and heavy but I love riding it.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [mickison] [ In reply to ]
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Loving the builds man! Lynskey knows Ti.


Vintage Spooky thin wall AL frame with CX fork, cane headset, SRAM Rival, Brooks Swallow saddle, just mounted up Vittorria's 35's on the Dura Ace C50 Tubulars. Rides insane! Best bike ever. 35-38 is max for me on the rear as this is a 1st gen frame.

There is a blog "Riding Against the Grain" and the author got himself a Spooky frame - also blown away how good the bike rides.



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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Focus Paralane. I'm feeling a little insignificant with my 35mm clearance.


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Another RideEndpoint CoffeeGrinder. Steel frame, Kona Carbon Project 2 fork, SRAM 1x 48x11/40, Hunt Wheels with Soma Vittesse 38s.

Have about 6,500 miles on this and love it.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Open U.P. in custom battleship gray with Force 1x, Easton EC90SL crank, SRAM XG-1199 10-42 XD cassette, HED Ardennes Plus LT wheels, and Compass Bon Jon Pass Extralight 700x35mm tires set up tubeless. Final build came in at 16.2 lbs with pedals.





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Scott Addict CX- room for 38-40mm tires.


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CX/Gravel Bike, Older Cannondale CX-9 that I painted. Force CX1, Shorty Ultimates.

Gravel/Touring Mode


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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Barchettaman] [ In reply to ]
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Sweet! Sure makes me miss my UO-10!

Looks like you're having a little trouble finding a comfy bar position, though.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross on Mount Hopkins. Cantis since replaced with mini-Vs, to great effect. Tires here are 30c; yes I pinch-flatted flying down. Love this bike!


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eb wrote:
Sweet! Sure makes me miss my UO-10!

Looks like you're having a little trouble finding a comfy bar position, though.

Yep. It's shortly getting a different stem and bars, the rear will be cold set to 130mm and it also needs the derailleur hanger to be aligned properly. After that it'll be perfect - I just couldn't wait to ride it this summer. It also is the only bike on this thread with its own kickstand, ha ha.

Cheap steel is brilliant for this application. It's a little heavier (obviously) but much stiffer, particularly in the larger frame sizes, as the gauge is so much bigger than the posh stuff.

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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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I make my own... and for others.










This one was made as a rigid single-speed MTB/monster-crosser, with road cranks. Sporting 26"x2.25" MTB tires. Could easily be made into a 1x11 just by swapping out the slider dropout.






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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [chrisgrigsby] [ In reply to ]
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How are the Bon Jon set up tubeless?
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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as you probably recall life long cervelo fan however their current pricing is no longer something I can justify or am prepared to pay - first bike in 15 years that is not a cervelo is a ridley x trail - got it on sale at competitive cyclist - although I had some trepidation on the purchase have to say it is fantabulous and have zero regrets...ride it in the wet in winter plus on the gravel logging roads around our area.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [sparshall] [ In reply to ]
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Nice! Great to see another Coffeegrinder out there. Are those 650's, given the tire size you list?
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Black Mountain Cycles road bike for the road and smoother dirt (can take a 33mm tire):




All City Space Horse for the rougher stuff, currently on 43mm Gravel Kings:


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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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50 pictures and 3 of them on actual gravel or dirt? Come on you guys.

Here's some pics from a ~70 mile route in Northwest Illinois (Driftless Area) to make up for the lack of gravel in this thread. If any ST'ers in the IA/IL/WI area want to ride it Saturday, November 4th, hop on over to https://www.strava.com/...group_events/227176.

p.s. - the Surly at the bottom has multiple Trans Iowa finishes. That's a gravel bike!















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techrunner wrote:
Nice! Great to see another Coffeegrinder out there. Are those 650's, given the tire size you list?

Those are 700s. I've been thinking about trying some 650s and WTB Horizons on it but haven't been motivated enough to spend the $$$.
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Stay aero my friends.
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I have been loving my 3T Exploro. Use it with a Sram 1X with 44-46T up front and 10-42 cassettes. Use a few wheelsets - Zipp 30 Course with 28mm GP4ks, Sram Rail 650b with WTB Horizons and Stans ZTR Flow 650b with Vee GRV 2.1 in tires. Using the Rotor InPower meter and so far pretty happy.





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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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My new CX racer.




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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [NordicSkier] [ In reply to ]
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The Bon Jon Pass tubeless are pretty killer. They measure around 37mm on the HED Ardennes + rim. They are plenty fast on pavement and are surprisingly capable on gravel, especially at lower pressures. I tried some 700x28mm Panaracer tires recently but felt like the Compass tires rolled as fast or faster so I put them back on after about 150 miles. I am running them at around 60 psi for pavement and around 45 psi for gravel only rides.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Barchettaman] [ In reply to ]
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Barchettaman wrote:
Cheap steel is brilliant for this application. It's a little heavier (obviously) but much stiffer, particularly in the larger frame sizes, as the gauge is so much bigger than the posh stuff.

Absolutely! Besides the Ti bike I posted a pic of, I have an old Lemond Poprad. It is a bit of a tank, but even at 40+ mph on gravel it is rock solid and predictable.
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Volagi Viaje Ti:
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Zulu] [ In reply to ]
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Zulu wrote:
as you probably recall life long cervelo fan however their current pricing is no longer something I can justify or am prepared to pay - first bike in 15 years that is not a cervelo is a ridley x trail - got it on sale at competitive cyclist - although I had some trepidation on the purchase have to say it is fantabulous and have zero regrets...ride it in the wet in winter plus on the gravel logging roads around our area.

Hey! Me too!

I *heart* my X-Trail, I've been crushing the carriage roads and some light singletrack in the area, plus winter road riding, and occasional commuting.
I put in latex tubes, and then shot some Orange Seal Endurance in them, loving that setup.
Eventually I'll go full tubeless, but this is working well for me for the moment.


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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Murphy'sLaw] [ In reply to ]
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Eventually I'll go full tubeless, but this is working well for me for the moment.

I just got a set of Shimano that are tubeless for the road bike and would like to do same for X Trail at some point as well.....

The X Trail ride is a significantly better ride than I was expecting - really well designed frame and the integrated fenders are killer in the wet I live in....
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https://instagram.com/p/BZ7PHQ-gbMS/

Open UPPER with Force 1x. Surprisingly versatile frame that has becomes my daily driver with 30mm G-One tire. Will swap to M525 with 40mm G-One for serious graveling.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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I don't have one, but if I did it would probably be one of these: https://www.canyon.com/...lx-9-0-pro-race.html
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Love my old Poprad! A little limited for tire width on the back but that thing is unstoppable.

Formerly DrD
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [RCope] [ In reply to ]
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Love the leather saddle and matching bar tape! Look out for gators!
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awesome bikes on this thread! really cool to see
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Zulu and Murphy's Law - can you post some pics of your X-Trail? I'm thinking of getting picking one up. Thanks!
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Duuuude! That is nice.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [Francois] [ In reply to ]
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My Niner BSB with Ultegra Di2 and disc brakes. The WTB Nano 40c tubeless are awesome in sandy conditions, and still offer pretty good mud clearance...yes, I bike in muddy conditions at night...😊



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I just got the diamondback haanjo carbon trail. I think it is an amazing value...2x11, hydraulic brakes. clearance a plenty. It is now shod in 650b 2.1 inch tubeless with plenty of clearance. Fender mounts. I added a shock stop stem which has made this rig a blast on rocky single track. I got it for 2k which you just can't beat.
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Re: Gravel Bike Porn [gasman] [ In reply to ]
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Heard my ears burning. X2 on the Diamondback Haanjo Trail Carbon. Awesome deal. Rode it all summer on gravel and tarmac on the 40mm G-One tubeless, now set up with fenders and 32mm for wet weather road riding. Has all of the rack/fender/bottle mounts you want, gobs of tire clearance, hydro brakes, etc. Wish the handling was a hair (and a small hair) sharper but it is a fun bike in any environment. My two word review is "Surprisingly capable". I swapped out the stock bars/post/stem/saddle/thru axles (they kept coming loose), everything else is as it came from the factory.


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@JesseN. What you said in terms of surprisingly capable x1000. This bike is DB's sleeper hit. The steering is very cadillac...but not incapable of handing tight single track...It's a bit tough finding a bike that can handle this wide of tires in this category...I could fit a 2.2 (650b) no problem in this frame. This is a bike that you could set up monstercross as I have or flip back to skinny's and do light touring. I saw one review as summarizsing that this is the everyday man's OPEN U.P. I think that hits it on the head. BTW where is the pic? Lake Tahoe? Beautiful....
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Small forest peak near where I live. Not Tahoe. Eventually I'll set up with lower gearing and a different crank if I can have one. Lot of bike for the money.
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Rob knows how to build them. Here's my gravel adventure. 65mm trail with 45mm tires, 60mm trail with 32mm tires. Handles like a stable mountain bike with 45s and my road bike with 32s. An amazing combination.

Steel, round tubes, bosses everywhere for full fenders, front rack, and strapless frame and top tube pack.

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That's a nice-looking bike!

What kind of bars are those? They look like they have a shallow drop and a nice rounded curve - both of which I like on this sort of bike.
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Nicely done!

What fork did you use?

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If anyone out there is looking to get into gravel riding I have an extra set of 27.5"disc wheels with tires to start your build. I was going to get into the gravel game but ended up building a new Speed Concept instead.

If anyone is interested PM me.

Owner of a few Speed Concepts since 2011.
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Di2 with mechanical disc brakes?
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That's exactly right. Aluminium 44mm with compact drop bars from FSA.
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re: mechanical brakes with Dura Ace Di2:

I like the adjustment capacity of mechanical brakes and grip on the brifter.
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REN GX1 fork from Ti cycles fabrication (12mm TA).
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I haven't seen one of those before - looks good. I used the 3T Luteus 15mmTA - I'm pretty happy with it.

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That is one beautiful machine!
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That is a beautiful bike.
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Great bike.

But, wow, where is that lake photo taken? Looks like an awesome spot.

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Maroon Bells right outside of Aspen. Probably one of the most beautiful rides I’ve done including those in Europe. The road is closed to traffic save for shuttle buses too. Absolutely great area for riding, to include Independence Pass that takes you up to the continental divide. Some great gravel road off-shoots on the Pass too.

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to you all, 2 things:

1. i have totally dug this thread, and as a number of you know i basically hijacked this thread and just published a front page story featuring a lot of your pics.

2. here are my babies. the litespeed i just put some schwalbe 28mm g-ones on there and it takes them (in 700c) fine, with room to spare, which i'm glad about. (brad devaney: thank you!) the slate has 42mm slicks on there now, and i got some 44mm with a slightly grippier tread (maybe) but i can't get the darned stock panaracers off there. i will eventually, but i haven't gotten them off there yet. i'd like to eventually put a 53mm tire on the slate but i don't know yet if it'll fit (in the back).

the litespeed is more of a road bike. the slate is more of a mountain bike (on the gradient of road to mtb). hence my desired tire choices. anybody have any 411 on the largest tire they've put on their slate, love to hear it.





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Great Post and great front page story.

Here are the 3 faces of my OPEN U.P.


53mm tires on 650b, 32t x 10-42t



45mm on 700c, 40t x 10-42t


28mm on 700c, 42t x 10-42t

Speaking of variety:


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how did all those bikes end up on the same wall at the same time?


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Finally got a picture of my new BMC CXA01. Rival 1x11, 40x11-32...pretty flat up here in North Texas. Added some Panaracer Gravel King 28c tires which have a file tread. They work pretty well on the chip seal and dirt roads around here.


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I managed to get a WTB horizon 47mm on mine but it rubs (rear, obvs) when out of the saddle. The chainstays are too narrow for 47mm. I ended up putting the 42mm Schwalbe G-ones on. Much better.
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Slowman wrote:
how did all those bikes end up on the same wall at the same time?


In February, Open invited all U.P. owner to a gravel event in Basel, Switzerland. It was a great event and chance to meet Andy and Gerard.

Here is a video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jPYmU2KW4
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I haven't posted in a while, but I've been enjoying the gravel stuff the last few years and have done a few races too. After using a cross bike, I got myself a proper gravel bike a few months ago. Ti is great and custom details are even better. Set my Seven up with only some zip tie guides for 1x, so when I go eTap next season it won't have any stops visible.







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Dan, an interesting poll might seek knowledge of how people are using these gravel bikes. Are they your primary ride? Training only? More interestingly, given a choice on any particular day, are you reaching for your roadie, gravel bike, tri bike, etc when it's time to head out for a ride?

For me, big tires = fun all the time and I find myself reaching for the gravel bike even if it's a nice sunny day.
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Slowman wrote:
to you all, 2 things:

1. i have totally dug this thread, and as a number of you know i basically hijacked this thread and just published a front page story featuring a lot of your pics.

2. here are my babies. the litespeed i just put some schwalbe 28mm g-ones on there and it takes them (in 700c) fine, with room to spare, which i'm glad about. (brad devaney: thank you!) the slate has 42mm slicks on there now, and i got some 44mm with a slightly grippier tread (maybe) but i can't get the darned stock panaracers off there. i will eventually, but i haven't gotten them off there yet. i'd like to eventually put a 53mm tire on the slate but i don't know yet if it'll fit (in the back).

the litespeed is more of a road bike. the slate is more of a mountain bike (on the gradient of road to mtb). hence my desired tire choices. anybody have any 411 on the largest tire they've put on their slate, love to hear it.

Those tires look larger than 28mm...I'm thinking that's a typo, right? ;-)



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JesseN wrote:
Dan, an interesting poll might seek knowledge of how people are using these gravel bikes. Are they your primary ride? Training only? More interestingly, given a choice on any particular day, are you reaching for your roadie, gravel bike, tri bike, etc when it's time to head out for a ride?

For me, big tires = fun all the time and I find myself reaching for the gravel bike even if it's a nice sunny day.

For me...mine is my daily commuter (only ~6 miles round trip), plus occasional weekend use. But, only if the plan is for a route that will be taking in some dirt (plenty of options here). If I know it's going to be all pavement, or vast majority pavement with a small amount of easy dirt, then I'll grab the Stinner road bike since it fits tires that measure as large as 27-28mm (mounted width).

I don't think of using it (the Fuji) as so much "training", but as "having fun". I barely touch my MTB anymore since I can take the Fuji on pretty much most trails/dirt roads I want to ride...with the benefit of being able to easily ride to-from the trails/dirt roads :-)



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...and speaking of tires. Here's a sneak peek at my first forays into trying to get an objective measure of how well different "gravel" tire options roll, at least on pavement:



Notes:
- Since the measured width of these tire options can vary greatly, I've decided to test them at the "Berto 15% drop" pressure for the load on a flat surface.
- Because most of my "gravel" rides involve decent amounts of pavement riding, I'm loathe to sacrifice much on-pavement rolling resistance...especially considering how well large width tires run at low pressure perform off-road anyway. In general, "knobs", or texture appear to greatly slow down a tire. That said, there are some tires with texture that do quite well, but it helps that they start with a good casing (see the Challenge Gravel Grinder Pro).
- Latex vs. Butyl tube loss differences appear to be the same as with dedicated road tires. Latex vs. tubeless appears to be a "wash" (i.e. no measurable power loss over tubeless using latex tubes)
- I don't expect this list to grow too quickly...these tires can be expensive!



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Great stuff. I was hoping you or bicyclerollingresistance would start looking at some of these kind of tires. Do you have a 650b wheelset?
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Toggling between Big-S Sequoia and Rodeo Labs Flaanimal.

Build kit on hand
46/30 w/11-40 rear - ultegra long cage with wolfstooth extender
Both good to 50mm clearance
Hy:Rd flat mount brakes (cuz hydro shift levers are $$$$pendy)
Have 700 Grail rims with 38 G-Ones ready to go for multi purpose and 28 Pro-Ones for road fun.
Looking at a Crest 650 for more exclusively dirt options.
Bikepacking, both trail and road, another use for this future rig.

Stolen pics:






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Tom A. wrote:
Slowman wrote:
to you all, 2 things:

1. i have totally dug this thread, and as a number of you know i basically hijacked this thread and just published a front page story featuring a lot of your pics.

2. here are my babies. the litespeed i just put some schwalbe 28mm g-ones on there and it takes them (in 700c) fine, with room to spare, which i'm glad about. (brad devaney: thank you!) the slate has 42mm slicks on there now, and i got some 44mm with a slightly grippier tread (maybe) but i can't get the darned stock panaracers off there. i will eventually, but i haven't gotten them off there yet. i'd like to eventually put a 53mm tire on the slate but i don't know yet if it'll fit (in the back).

the litespeed is more of a road bike. the slate is more of a mountain bike (on the gradient of road to mtb). hence my desired tire choices. anybody have any 411 on the largest tire they've put on their slate, love to hear it.


Those tires look larger than 28mm...I'm thinking that's a typo, right? ;-)

typo. good catch. they're 38s.


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I like that idea.

The decision gap for me on which rig to take (in the future - waffling between two frames right now) is snappiness. Road bikes are fun and snappy and all the gravel/bikepacking rigs i've test driven are just a bit more sluggish (but for good reason). Different days, different feelings about how much zip i want in my handling.

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"If you cannot devote the time required to fully maximise your genetic potential, then don't make believe your own science and re-write decades of history of coaching wisdom, and pretend that you can do some magical training program on 8hrs /wk instead of 12-20 and get to the same level in [any endurance sport]. Accept the reality which is that you just have to settle for a performance level which isn't the absolute peak that your body is capable of." - Nathan Townsend
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cobra_kai wrote:
Great stuff. I was hoping you or bicyclerollingresistance would start looking at some of these kind of tires. Do you have a 650b wheelset?

Thanks. Not yet. When I got the Fuji, I was hoping I could run my 26" MTB wheels in it with regular MTB tires for more "MTB-like" riding. After all, a 650B rim and a 26" rim only vary by 12mm on the radius...but alas, although the fork is fine for that, unfortunately Fuji didn't quite make the tire clearance "crimp" in the chainstays long enough to allow for that. The widest clearance is lined up more for a 650B wheel and tire.

So, maybe I'll get a 650B wheel for that purpose...dunno. I have a disc PT wheel that's laced into a 26" wheel that I was thinking about possibly swapping a 650B rim onto...then again, I haven't found much need for going that big/gnarly on the rubber yet for the Fuji. In fact, my overall favorite in that list right now is the 36C Challenge Gravel Grinder Pro. It's not super-wide, but it has a decent amount of center tread "file" pattern, with some small side knobs. Rolls nice (significantly better than the more smoother treaded Compass Bon Jon Pass), feels smooth on pavement, and actually corners quite confidently, even when leaned over on pavement. The only "downside" is it's not tubeless capable...but, IME latex tubes get you basically the same off-road performance (in regards to fending off snake-bite flats).



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Holy Cow those G-Ones are absolute dogs. I never would have guessed that.

WTB: TriRig Omega SV (not x). PM me if you have one :)
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Oh man, nice Flaanimal. That's a rad bike. I was looking at the Trail donkey pretty closely but couldn't swing the cost. Love their mindset in developing bikes
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^agreed. the trail donkey is my dream bike right now for sure. here's my rig. custom painted surly straggler. sram rival 1x, cambium saddle, compass 700x38 barlow pass tires, chris king headset.




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GreenPlease wrote:
Holy Cow those G-Ones are absolute dogs. I never would have guessed that.


Yeah, I was disappointed by that as well...along with the Compass Bon Jon Pass model (which seem to take a bigger hit for size than they should) and the Stielacooms.

Now...to be fair, those values are for how they roll on HARD pavement, and the tires with more pronounced rubber "knobs" take quite a hit (but is no excuse for the Bon Jon). Of course, the casing flex for a given load will be ~the same (with same losses) on soft or hard surfaces, but the "knob flex" losses will most likely be lessened in the dirt. Do the differences close up...or widen...in that case? Dunno...

In other words, it would be nice to know how the tires perform relative to each other on the "intended surface"...and I'm working on that ;-)



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This is amazing. We're very interested in more!

I'm also curious about that G One appearing somewhat slow since Schwalbe is typically a fast roller. If the "Big One" was so fast and Schwalbe says the G One is the same thing...hmm.

Those seem like really high pressures too. I'm absolutely familiar with the 15% thing, but nobody is running those pressures in the real world. I remember you mentioning actual operating pressures a bit lower too. After hundreds of gravel miles, I settled on 27-28 front and 30-31 psi rear for my Schwalbe G Ones that measure about 41mm. I'm sure you'll discuss it further when the rest of the info is ready for consumption. Thanks again for doing this.
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Tom,

Great data, this starts to shed some light on what has been a murky but very important subject. Of the tires you tested my experience is limited to the GP4000S and the G-One 40's (close enough) and my perception of the extra load on the G-Ones seems to jive with what you measured.

I'm not sure I concur with the G-Ones being 'dogs' - they aren't a road tire after all. There is a price to pay for versatility in these tires and I think the G-One balances that better than other tires I've tried (Clement MSO, Kenda Happy Medium). I haven't done any offroad riding from the 'big smooth tire' approach so I can't vouch for how much knobbed traction matters, if at all (probably very surface dependent?).

One other interesting question would be the RR vs. pressure relationship for some of these tires. I know it's been well established in the smaller sizes for lower RR with lower pressure. FWIW I would never take my G-One 40's above 40 psi even on tarmac (lower offroad). I would presume that relationship holds here as well.
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Tom A. wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
Holy Cow those G-Ones are absolute dogs. I never would have guessed that.


Yeah, I was disappointed by that as well...along with the Compass Bon Jon Pass model (which seem to take a bigger hit for size than they should) and the Stielacooms.

Now...to be fair, those values are for how they roll on HARD pavement, and the tires with more pronounced rubber "knobs" take quite a hit (but is no excuse for the Bon Jon). Of course, the casing flex for a given load will be ~the same (with same losses) on soft or hard surfaces, but the "knob flex" losses will most likely be lessened in the dirt. Do the differences close up...or widen...in that case? Dunno...

In other words, it would be nice to know how the tires perform relative to each other on the "intended surface"...and I'm working on that ;-)

I'm look forward to seeing how you go about this. In my brief foray thus far off road, I've learned that unusual surfaces add a bunch of additional variables to the tire selection calculus.

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I’m really surprised how poor the Bon Jons tested. Was it the EL version? I’d think they would test very close to Compass’ 44mm tire - is the difference because the 44 is the EL and the Bon Jon is the standard casing?

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Since getting my gravel bike I have ridden it for most of my miles. A good amount of my riding is mixed terrain, so it's a good fit. Also, I enjoy seeing just how big a tire and low pressure I can run while being able to stay with the group ride. This makes a group ride a pretty solid sweet spot effort. I only ride my road bike for races and fast group rides where I want to contest sprints.
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I have a 3T Exploro, but am picking up my Rodeo Flaanimal frame tomorrow. Local company with great customer service and a unique brand. I would say go for it! Their 4.0 version is coming out soon. I will post the build here when I am done. Using it more as a disc brake endurance road bike than gravel, but it will fit my 650b wheels with WTB horizon tires.
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Pic is from google off of rollins pass.

I ski off the east side of the pass in the spring, i can't fathom riding a bike up it! I wonder if the approach from winter park is smoother?

I want my gravel bike to have a bit of a working class feel to it. Carbon doesn't give me that so no TD for me.

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Thanks for starting this. It's a sweet ass thread!

Getting by with my 2001 LeMond Poprad for now.

Formerly DrD
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Nice! I take it that you are getting a 3.0?

I met up with Steve a few weeks ago and took his personal 3.0 out for a spin. 4.0 ETA still a little TBD from our chat but Dec-Jan is likely.

I've been playing around in the foothills above boulder on my S1 with 25s. Bout time I got a rig more suited for the terrain!

Please post when you've got it up and running!

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"If you cannot devote the time required to fully maximise your genetic potential, then don't make believe your own science and re-write decades of history of coaching wisdom, and pretend that you can do some magical training program on 8hrs /wk instead of 12-20 and get to the same level in [any endurance sport]. Accept the reality which is that you just have to settle for a performance level which isn't the absolute peak that your body is capable of." - Nathan Townsend
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Yea - getting a 3.0. building it up with 46x10/42 on both 700c and 650b wheels.


Are you in the Denver area? If so, and if a 56cm fits you you are welcome to come out with me and swap between the Flaanimal and 3T to get a feel for them.

You are a brave man riding those roads on 25s! Are you riding the Gold Hill/Lickskillet stuff?
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Cool seeing so many people into the Flaanimal. I've got my 3.0 frame that I'm slowly building up, those discounted frames were too tempting for me to pass up! I should hopefully have mine fully built by the end of the year.
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This makes me so sad about my Bon Jon Pass tires. I guess I see some Challenge tires in my future!

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kjmcawesome wrote:
This makes me so sad about my Bon Jon Pass tires. I guess I see some Challenge tires in my future!

I'm kind of sad too - I'd like to know if Tom tested the EL or standard casing. I just can't understand how they can be so much slower compared to Compass' 700x44s (which are EL)

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dangle wrote:
Those seem like really high pressures too. I'm absolutely familiar with the 15% thing, but nobody is running those pressures in the real world. I remember you mentioning actual operating pressures a bit lower too. After hundreds of gravel miles, I settled on 27-28 front and 30-31 psi rear for my Schwalbe G Ones that measure about 41mm. I'm sure you'll discuss it further when the rest of the info is ready for consumption. Thanks again for doing this.

On the pressures, here's a couple of comments:

- Although the pressures may appear "high" for mixed surface applications, they aren't much different from what I would select if I knew I was going to be riding on pavement only. It's also important to not fixate on the absolute differences shown there, but more on the % differences. Even at lower pressures, I'd expect the percent differences to be similar.

- The idea of using the "Berto 15% drop" pressure was to use a test pressure that varies with the mounted tire width...much as how the tires are used in actual use. I don't have the time, nor inclination, to test each tire at various pressures, so using the "15% drop" pressure is as good of a compromise as any to reflect that variation. The main idea is to not give larger tires an "unfair advantage" due to using a fixed pressure.

- It's important to remember that the smooth rollers are of relatively small diameter, which results in a more "curved" contact patch deflection than for the same wheel load on flat ground. Erring towards the side of higher pressures in the testing will help prevent undue influence of "side knobs" coming into play in the drag measurements. In other words, I don't want side knobs affecting things when they may not be getting deflected out on the road.



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JesseN wrote:
Tom,

Great data, this starts to shed some light on what has been a murky but very important subject. Of the tires you tested my experience is limited to the GP4000S and the G-One 40's (close enough) and my perception of the extra load on the G-Ones seems to jive with what you measured.

I'm not sure I concur with the G-Ones being 'dogs' - they aren't a road tire after all. There is a price to pay for versatility in these tires and I think the G-One balances that better than other tires I've tried (Clement MSO, Kenda Happy Medium). I haven't done any offroad riding from the 'big smooth tire' approach so I can't vouch for how much knobbed traction matters, if at all (probably very surface dependent?).

One other interesting question would be the RR vs. pressure relationship for some of these tires. I know it's been well established in the smaller sizes for lower RR with lower pressure. FWIW I would never take my G-One 40's above 40 psi even on tarmac (lower offroad). I would presume that relationship holds here as well.


Coming from a long-time MTB background (bought my first MTB in 1986) I was quite skeptical of how well a "smooth" tire would perform off-road. But then experiences such as originally participating in the BWR on smooth, narrow road tires and then riding an Exploro 2 years ago using the WTB smooth tires on the Dirt Demo single-track trails demonstrated to me that they actually do quite well!

Those experiences had me setting up my original "Frankenbike" all-road rig with 50+mm wide Compass Rat Trap Pass tires.

The key seems to be using a flexible enough tire at a low enough pressure to allow the casing to conform over most off-road obstacles. About the only places I've found them to "fall down", is on relatively steep bumps that have loose gravel on them and in mud. Everywhere else, they do surprisingly well.



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I’m really surprised how poor the Bon Jons tested. Was it the EL version? I’d think they would test very close to Compass’ 44mm tire - is the difference because the 44 is the EL and the Bon Jon is the standard casing?

It might not be clear, but I tested BOTH the regular and EL versions of the Snoqualmie Pass tire. They "bracket" the Strada Bianca Pro in the list. It appears that for that model, the EL version is worth only ~1-1.5W per tire between 20-30 kph. That has me thinking the regular version might be the better call. Early on in running the EL versions I suffered a sidewall cut that probably would've been fended off by the regular model since there's more rubber in the sidewall. The EL seems to have a really light rubber content in the casing...such that when run tubeless there can be quite a bit of "bleed-through" of the sealant.

The Bon Jon was standard casing, and I would expect the difference for the EL version to match the Snoqualmie Pass.



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I’m really surprised how poor the Bon Jons tested. Was it the EL version? I’d think they would test very close to Compass’ 44mm tire - is the difference because the 44 is the EL and the Bon Jon is the standard casing?


It might not be clear, but I tested BOTH the regular and EL versions of the Snoqualmie Pass tire. They "bracket" the Strada Bianca Pro in the list. It appears that for that model, the EL version is worth only ~1-1.5W per tire between 20-30 kph. That has me thinking the regular version might be the better call. Early on in running the EL versions I suffered a sidewall cut that probably would've been fended off by the regular model since there's more rubber in the sidewall. The EL seems to have a really light rubber content in the casing...such that when run tubeless there can be quite a bit of "bleed-through" of the sealant.

The Bon Jon was standard casing, and I would expect the difference for the EL version to match the Snoqualmie Pass.

Thanks Tom. I’ve had the same experience with the Compass tires in terms of sidewall weeping in the EL version when setup tubeless. In fact I’ve given up completely using any of their tire tubeless (I have a lot!). I now use latex tubes on all of them - even the 650b 48s (26 inch Michelin mtn ones).

More questions: were you testing the Bon Jons and Snoqualmie tubeless?
Any idea why the Bon Jons are so much slower compared the same casing for the Snoqualmie? There isn’t much rubber on those the Bon Jons and they *feel* supple. Seems strange they would be slower.

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How are any of these tests considering suspension related energy/power losses. Rolling resistance really only a part of the system and frankly an order of magnitude less significant than energy lost through getting rattled around - hence the need for supple tires run at the lowest possible pressures.
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Where do you get latex tubes that fit mountain-sized tires? i'd like something that will work for Schwalbe Big One 29er...
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Where do you get latex tubes that fit mountain-sized tires? i'd like something that will work for Schwalbe Big One 29er...

They sell them on the UK sites like chainreaction/wiggle. I’ve only ever seen them in the 26 inch size and it wouldn’t be a good idea to stretch them into a 29er.

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Moots Baxter. Currently running 29" 2.25 tires front and rear. Could always go smaller, but this is a comfortable setup for the rocky jeep roads and trails in the Front Range foothills. Went with a 10spd triple setup to get the gearing range I wanted for the steeps...XT drivetrain with 42-32-22 up front, 11-32 out back mated with Ultegra shifters. No regrets. Possibly my favorite bike of all time.


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Moots Baxter. Currently running 29" 2.25 tires front and rear. Could always go smaller, but this is a comfortable setup for the rocky jeep roads and trails in the Front Range foothills. Went with a 10spd triple setup to get the gearing range I wanted for the steeps...XT drivetrain with 42-32-22 up front, 11-32 out back mated with Ultegra shifters. No regrets. Possibly my favorite bike of all time.

And there it is. These bikes are not the lightest, stiffest, fastest, or most aero in the stable but they are the most fun. And that is what it's all about :-)
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What bars are those?
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Bonesbrigade wrote:
More questions: were you testing the Bon Jons and Snoqualmie tubeless?

Latex tubes, unless noted as a butyl...which brings up a good point: I found that the Challenge tires are a real PITA to set up with a latex tube fresh out of the box. It works much better to set the tire up with a butyl tube first, and then after a day or 2, swapping in the latex. The tires apparently need to get some "shape" stretched into them to make it easier for the latex install.

Setting tires up tubeless for this testing would also be a PITA (and wasteful of sealant). Early on in trying the new protocol, I compared a Snoqalmie Pass set up tubeless on a Zipp Course 30 rim to one with latex on the AC101 wheel I've used for testing. The raw results were within a few watts, so basically no difference. I didn't include that result because I was still working through getting a good rear wheel load reading and so the test pressure wasn't correct for the actual load...in other words it wasn't "apples to apples" for the rest of the testing. However, it put my mind to ease about just testing with latex.

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Any idea why the Bon Jons are so much slower compared the same casing for the Snoqualmie? There isn’t much rubber on those the Bon Jons and they *feel* supple. Seems strange they would be slower.

No idea. I was surprised as well. I wonder if it may be some process variations, or possibly batch by batch changes they've made in the tires? IIRC, they've made "unannounced" changes before (beads?) on some of the tires in the past...



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How are any of these tests considering suspension related energy/power losses. Rolling resistance really only a part of the system and frankly an order of magnitude less significant than energy lost through getting rattled around - hence the need for supple tires run at the lowest possible pressures.


Are you referring to "suspension losses" in the sense that Jan Heine has co-opted the term? That is, talking about losses from energy that gets THROUGH the tires (usually due to running too high of pressure for the conditions) and is dissipated in the rider? I find that terming it that way can be confusing since on a rigid bicycle, the tire IS (or should be) the suspension.

Think of it this way, in order to prevent those losses, it's incumbent on the rider to choose the correct pressure in order to avoid the "breakpoint" pressure (where resistance to forward motion dramatically increases - because the tires are no longer acting effectively as suspension)...and if they can't lower the pressure enough without bottoming, then they should choose a larger tire. All of that has little to do with the inherent losses in the casings of the tires themselves.

However, if the pressures AND tire sizes ARE selected adequately, then the tire is doing its job as suspension, and the REAL suspension losses are from the additional dynamic casing flexion on top of the fixed amplitude deflection caused by the wheel loading....and the losses from both types of flexing are driven by the internal hysteretic losses of the tire/tube construction...of which, a smooth roller test is a great method of determining. This also explains why adding "texture" to a roller isn't necessary. So, if you aren't over-inflating your tires and/or using too small of tires for the conditions, then the rolling resistance contribution of the tire is absolutely driven by how "lossy" the tire construction is.

So, that's a long answer to your question...so in short, the roller testing captures the real suspension losses of the tires by measuring the tire hysteresis losses. It does not capture any additional losses in the system caused by running pressures above the breakpoint pressure of the system (what Jan confusingly calls "suspension losses")...but you shouldn't be doing that anyway.

I know Jan has a bit of a "blind spot" on this, and can't quite wrap his head around the utility of roller testing...which is why I thought it would be good to more thoroughly explain.



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Ok. I assumed you were using latex unless otherwise noted - just thought I’d double check though.

I’m still curious about the Bon Jons. It could be a batch issue. I seem to recall you testing some conti tires that were unexpectedly poor performing and you later found out conti had changed their compound.

I have one set of wheels setup with g-ones tubeless and another setup with Bon Jons with latex tubes. I was surprised to see your results having them essentially tied. The Bon Jons feel much faster, but who knows! We know how poor our feelings are.

Regardless, thanks for the data. I certainly don’t expect you to get to the bottom of this - I’m interested because I use a lot of compass tires and considered these to be my “A” tires for low rolling on pavement and gravel.

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Dude, come on. You ride (or at least ridden) with Gravel Cyclist of gravelcyclist.com, he's got this gravel bike thing figured out better than 99% of the folks riding gravel and several porn worthy rides.

Open is super nice... I like double chain rings though so I would not consider the 3T, you might. But there is something to be said for Ti for this kind of bike. Why Cycle R+ would be on my short list.

You can run a front derailleur on the 3T EXPLORO, we have several assembled with Ultegra Di2 and even a Rotor equipped model.

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I wish I'd discovered them sooner. I would have been all over that discount sell off like butter on toast.

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I still can't bring myself to go 1x. There's the backpacking use I hope to get out of it but I've also got this obsession with riding up lickskillet in my 32/40 and not letting the HR get over 120 bpm's :)

I'm in South Boulder. I'm normally a 58 and the 58 3.0 that I test drove seemed to be spot on for what I'm looking for. Really appreciate the generous offer tho! Thank you.

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Ha! Thanks. My personal fav is a slow cruise up 4 mile canyon all the way to sunset and then heading north to gold hill or south to sugar loaf. Depends on the time of year. Sunset to gold hill is often too sandy by May (spring snow/moisture dependent) and Sunset to Sugarloaf often too snowy late April, but largely perfect May to November. I've got a map from the forest service office that is fun to plot ideas out on.

If you ever want to go for a spin up this way give me a buzz, i do ride pretty slow tho :)

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that looks like LOADS of fun

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It's a hoot. The fatter tires smooth out the rough stuff and keep the pucker factor lower when shooting down steep stuff.
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Brand new Litespeed Gravel bike with Sram eTap and 1X out of
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Moots Baxter. Currently running 29" 2.25 tires front and rear. Could always go smaller, but this is a comfortable setup for the rocky jeep roads and trails in the Front Range foothills. Went with a 10spd triple setup to get the gearing range I wanted for the steeps...XT drivetrain with 42-32-22 up front, 11-32 out back mated with Ultegra shifters. No regrets. Possibly my favorite bike of all time.


I took a tour of the Moots factory last fall on a trip to Steamboat Springs. Been lusting them ever since! Absolutely awesome bike!

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Thanks, mate!
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My Litespeed T5 Gravel in a painted version.
The tire clearance is good for tires up to 700c x 45 mm. I installed a MAXXIS Rambler 40 mm and there is plenty space for more.


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Just finished my Rodeo Labs Flaanimal. Using it for endurance road training, pulling a double wehoo, and light gravel duty.

46t x 10/42 gearing (rival, Force and Apex) on Zipp 30 Course wheels with 28mm Conti GP 4k tires (30.5mm). Stages PM, Zipp seatpost and stem. 3T bar. Dash saddle.








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That's really nice looking!

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Love that Lightspeed. Did they paint it?

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No, it wasn´t Litespeed- It was a painter in our area, who brought the color on the frame-fork-stem-set.
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Cool. I really dig that color. And the paint/bare Ti scheme is just about how I envisioned my own design, although I was thinking root beer brown with some cream accents.

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ahhhh, that's super nice. Great build!

Tire experience Q for you. I was on GP4k for years. The sidewalls would always be the first thing to go. I'd still have the "use dimple" in perfect shape on the main tread 4-5000 miles in but the sidewalls would just be disintegrating. I've since moved to schwalbe Pro-One tubeless and having the same experience (but at ~2k for rear). I'm chalking it up to being a larger rider (190lbs) but am curious to hear about others' experiences.

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2-5k out of a tire is pretty good! He 28c gp4k is a surprisingly versatile tire on mixed terrain.
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Not 'technically' a gravel bike, but she works just fine on the midwest white rock -- 2018 Trek Crockett, Sram road 1x, Gravel King SKs 38c.


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My new everything bike - Allied Alfa All Road - Red to Carbon Fade. Shimano 9170 build and Enve wheels.



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Sweet!
I'm about to build up a similar rig...but with the green/black, most everything what you made is about what I've put together.
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[quote Tom A.
On the pressures, here's a couple of comments:[/quote]
Thanks for detailed response! I'm guessing the time involved is pretty high, but let us know if you want any tires for testing. I have been curious about WTB's offerings and have a pair of Riddler 37's still in the packaging.
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How are you liking the Allied All Road?? Looking at one of those right now. Looks like a blast to ride. Thanks!
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AMAZING ride - granted I'm only 4 days in, but been putting some good miles on it and it is everything I hoped it would be. I highly recommend the bike and with the new fade to carbon colors they are even better looking in person than on the web. Some additional photos attached.







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I have been watching and reading this thread with interest since it started. My best observation is drag coefficients on grave grinding? only on Slowtwitch. How much drag is there in an inch of mud with any tire? But thanks Mr. Tom A for the info. That was good. I have noticed some of the tires he reviewed are real dogs on the pave, but do pretty good on the rough stuff. So if you are 90% gravel and 10% road riding ,dogs aren't all that bad. I really like Rivbike Ruffy Toughy for a small tire <35 mixed surface ride. Been using them for years.

I moved back to Montana from Hawaii year and a half ago and haven't put my road bike together yet. It is limited to 25mm tires and even my fixed gear bike rides on 28s. Out of season all my cross bikes are gravel grinders. Every ride of mine has some gravel grind section to it now. It is so enjoyable to go out for a 3 hr ride and not see a car. I don't worry about bears as much as those sneaky mountain lions, but do carry the spray on deep woods treks.

More than drag coefficients, I worry about sidewall protection. On my really rough stuff bike (Soulcraft Dirt Bomb) I run Rock and Road tires. They plow the pave, but are really nice and bombproof on the sharp stuff. I carry two tubes, sticky patches, and an extra tire on that bike. Nothing worse than a huge ripped sidewall that no boot in the world can save. Only done that once but it would have been a long long walk home that time.
Converting my Moots 26er mtb to a drop bar gravel grinder was a blessing too. Full rigid, mechanical discs, and 2.25 mtb tires make it a sweet ride on the fire trails, logging roads, and USFS roads. Hundreds of miles of those at my doorstep.

Another option that is better than you would think is Tufo cx tires. I still have a couple 34s that were used in cross for a couple years and not for racing any more, but gravel grinding they are tough as nails. With sealant in them and tough sidewalls, I have not had a flat on them yet.

You can pick up cantilever brake cx bikes for almost nothing these days. Vbrakes or Paul minimotos are easy to install and give a bit more power over most canti systems. Ti is a fantastic material for gravel grinding as you never chip up the paint, worry about rust, and they are easy to keep in nice looking condition. My Moots cx bikes are over10 years old and look almost new when they get wiped down with WD 40.
I also use 1x8, 1x9 or 1x10 systems. Saved the old barons from tri bikes. Using a barcon shifting setup is way cheap, and no matter how ugly the mud and junk builds up they work. 8 and 9 speed setups are cheaper and shift as well or better than the 10s and 11s in the crappy stuff. With all the pie plate rear cassettes my 36 x34 set ups are very adequate for my 65 year old legs, or it is just as fast to get off the damn horse and push the bike. I ain't proud.

Now the next subject is gravel grinding in snow and ice. I just put studded tires on my ss mtb and ss cx bike for the winter as my trails are icing up. Haven't bought a fat bike yet, but am considering the thought.

Thanks everyone for all the input, I did learn some good stuff on this thread. Even though my triathlon days are probablywell behind me, you can take the boy out of the.....but can't take the ...... some howI keep coming back to the Slowtwitch . Peace out.
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Just finished my Rodeo Labs Flaanimal. Using it for endurance road training, pulling a double wehoo, and light gravel duty.

46t x 10/42 gearing (rival, Force and Apex) on Zipp 30 Course wheels with 28mm Conti GP 4k tires (30.5mm). Stages PM, Zipp seatpost and stem. 3T bar. Dash saddle.








YES! i was gushing over this when they posted the paint job on their IG. cannot wait until i can afford a rodeo labs steed
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No pics to add (don't have one yet), but visited the Moots factory last week. Their gravel bikes are beautiful and seeing how they were made and meeting the folks putting them together makes me want one even more. If I weren't so cheap, that would be my next purchase.

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Here's mine, not a pure gravel bike really but I use it for everything, road, cross, gravel, commuting, towing the kids in the chariot etc. The isospeed decoupler is fantastic and you really feel it on gravel. I like this bike a lot, I just upgraded it to Di2 and find myself choosing this bike over just about anything else I own even for pure road rides, I was thinking of putting a Quarq on it and selling my pure road bike altogether.




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My all steel Salsa Fargo is not pretty and NOT light, but with Race Kings it rolls quite well on any surface and with knobbies it goes nearly anywhere, AND with S&S couplers (installed by Bilenky’s, from whom I bought it) I can take it anywhere, too.

I do salivate over some those new carbon offerings that fit 27.5 MTB wheels, as well as 700 road wheels, but....

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So, in the end I went with the Niner BSB Rival 1X (currently available at a really good price online)
Accommodates larger tires 40+, so perfect for the sandy sections we get all over Florida, pretty light, and all around good bike.



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You’re now in Florida? Where are working?

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Been in Gainesville for 3 years. Guess where I work (hint: gators)

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At the med school or the general campus?
Do they speak Oz or French down there?

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College of Medicine. But it's on the main campus. They speak 'murican.

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I suppose you've been here long enough to understand them?

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I have this one for a year now. It does the job.


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I have this one for a year now. It does the job.

Nice bike, great photo !

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Calfee dragonfly adventure, 650b x 42mm Compass tires.


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What do you think of the compass tires? Which casing did you get?
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That sure is a beautiful bike.
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What do you think of the compass tires? Which casing did you get?

I really like Compass tires; these are the extra light casings. I run them tubeless w/Orange Seal (these are not tubeless specific, but Compass does make their 42mm tubeless now). Pretty much mandatory here in the desert--so many thorns!
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Thank you! Pretty much my favorite ride currently.
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