Not sure what he costs but I would probably look at Jim Vance and/or David Tilbury Davis. I wouldn't get the idea that an unlimited budget gets you a better coach though.

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Agree on more money does not equal better coaching.

Also interestingly, Bolton coached Kanute through the Olympics but Vance now gets a lot of the publicity.

Yes and Zucco coached Kanute before Bolton. I realize Vance may take some credit now but my liking of Vance really goes back to 2012, maybe it was 13 when he started to time the first mile of the Ironman runners at both Kona and Ironman Arizona, showing how those that started out too fast paid the price by the end of the marathon. Regardless I looked into his coaching just now and it is up to $500 a month I just can't fathom any coach being worth that price for an amateur. At some level coaching isn't rocket science and the typical athlete needs someone to hold them accountable, hold them back, and provide some direction.

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I would spend the money on craft beer and coach myself.

#winning

I would happily coach you for an unlimited budget.

Well played

Greg Popovich. Great coach. Greater human being.

okay, then how about unlitmed budget/no life obligations to join what ever tri "crew" anywhere in the world. IE Lindey's team in Boulder, Suttons team in Puckett*(?)

Yep, that's about right.

My reason for not having a coach (or "coaching myself") is not that I can't or don't want to pay a coach. I don't have a coach because I don't want a coach.

Someone who could be on deck 2-3 times a week to help me with my swim. Also, in this ideal world, they would have a good grasp of sports nutrition and would meal plan and come over and cook for me. It'd be nice to not have to spend time thinking about or doing those things anymore.

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I would form a small team with athletes that are similar to my abilities.

Realistically at my level, I would gain more from training groups than a high level coach.

for most would be better to take money for time off work to train maybe 3.5 day work week haha

Lovato has a great group in Boulder and is a top notch guy and coach.

The Apex crew is also awesome. Neal Henderson, Grant Holicky, etc... working with Cam Dye, Flora Duffy, and a lot of other great athletes and up and coming ones.

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Agreed on a group setting, Training alone sucks aside from the lack of having to coordinate scheduling with others.

Maybe. I guess you can ask Kanute if he thinks my fee is worth it? Take a look at his season. And of course, the season isn’t over yet. Value is in the results.

And $500 is my starting fee , not “up to”.

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The question is about amateurs not professionals. I love where you have taken Ben Kanute's results to, but I am not going to recommend any amateur pay $6000 a year as a starting point. And no, I didn't mean "up to" as that was the ceiling, I meant it as your fees have move from a period of time up to $500. Regardless there are better recommendations.

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No. Value is in the results (with a coach) that are incremental/above and beyond would-be results (without a coach).

And, that's an absurd fee, but good for you.

Then you didn't answer the question of the OP.

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That was exactly what I meant, sorry I didn't state it specifically. The reason to hire a coach is generally because you aren't happy with your current results tho, no? The value of the difference is clearly individual.

I don't know what your career or hourly wage is, but I would bet if you lined it up with the effort to coach someone, it would be close or more than that.

I have no problem saying I am not the best coach for everyone, nor the most affordable. And that's ok. I will just keep proving my value in the results of my athletes.

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Wasn’t Joe Friel up to like a $1k a month when he was coaching age groupers or that an urban legend?

I'd move out west and go with johnnyo. Smart guy with great insight having been a pro. And there's this:

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Appreciate the nod Thomas, very kind.

Regards

David

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Brett Sutton. He is not the most popular guy, not the most educated, I could go on. I would have a difficult time with some of his thoughts. However, he has this uncanny way of mentally creating champions. I could think of a lot of coaches that would be easier to get along with, but if I wanted to win, I'd pick him.

Jonnyo knows his shit. And he's actually a nice guy too. And living here in Penticton is pretty sweet training. Lakes, great pool, gyms, rail trail, rubber track, 8km 7% climb in town, Apex Mountain an hour away for winter and summer training, world class MTB trails at 3 Blind Mice trail network.

My problem is the wine. I moved here and gained 10lbs! Life is about choices. I choose the wine!

But yes, Jonnyo is recommended.

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$500 absurd for AG or pro athlete to pay for coaching?

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I'm undecided with this but I will go with the best,, definitely.

Really? Hold Matt Dixon's drink a minute.... $1500/pm

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MarkyV without a doubt.

It was $1500/month!

both. $500 / month is a mortgage for a lot of people. definitely a solid car payment.

What would you say is average pro fee? $500 from coaches I’ve talked with is about normal. But I’ll say these are more “hands on” coaching versus simple TP over internet/text/phone (not leading workouts essentially).

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for pros?

my rough guesstimate is somewhere around 0-300/month + % of prize purses.

it'd be very, very difficult, as a pro that's not in the top 1% of pros, to justify paying $500/month to a coach. If you pay your coach more than you earn in prize money/endorsements in a year and you really truly consider yourself a pro, you're probably doing it wrong?

i've had coaches who are on the better end of the spectrum. i've paid $200/mo up to $375/mo (briefly). the latter felt like too much for my goals at the time, which were vague and ephemeral. the former felt like too little given my motivation. it's a tough thing to judge, what is "worth it."

I can't afford Vance, but I will vouch for him. He competed itu level back in the day. So he is a coach who is able to apply his knowledge , unlike other coaches with no personal results (Sutton). Better yet, hr taught him self how to swim... So he gives hope to adult on set swimmers and can teach technique by feel (same with run). So with his proven results of top athletes, the price makes sense , as he gets lots of requests and needs to weed out the non serious athletes.

so you equate the size of one's wallet with the size of one's commitment?

that is sort of in pink, but not really.

With a nice pair of ...




Trucker hats

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nice

Price would have to vary greatly between a coach putting in say 10 hours max ($12.50/hour for Mr Vance) a week into a TP program vs someone going to the session and being with the athlete for a couple hours per day.

"Dr Michele Ferrari "

You win.

So much winning.

I would go with Desert Dude and travel to one of his aero camps.

Using/hire a coach is not only linked to performance or a wish to have improvement.
You will find big cultural differences between countries in how common it use a coach and the coach's role.
In several endurance sports, many of the to athletes are coaching them self.
Different approaches.

Holy shit!!! I sure hope there's some profit sharing with Jesse!

Shhh don't tell everyone about our secret! But yes, he is an amazing coach. Very happy with the last 4 years of him coaching me!

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2013, Paulo Sousa turned me down.
2013, Brian Stover turned me down.
2015, Joel Filliol said "OK", and charged me $600. That's per quarter, btw. I learned a lot as both athlete and coach.

Actually the highest I read on his blog several years ago was that it was $2,000 per month. I think that included a bike fit, so clearly it was worth it.

Isn’t that what 90% of us already do??

What was their reason behind turning you down? Were you going to them with a take it or leave it offer?

Uh, no. That's not how it works.

It almost becomes a conversation of daily training vs online coaching imo. Which likely is difference in SC vs LC pathways, where more hands on coaching in SC development (itu) vs LC. Of course SC athletes have greater chance of federation funding, and so that will play into coaching salary as well.

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How does the process work then?

I remember at some point in the last few years see a Friel price for age groups as $10,000 for 6 months paid in advance and it stated that he would not work with an athlete who did not have a power meter on bike and GPS for run.

damn, that's some expensive gruel!!

Friel, spell check changed it to Gruel. Sorry.

i thought it was an amusing freudian slip, haha.

First, you tank for a couple seasons, get some #1 draft picks, and ... after that, nobody knows

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I would go with Bjorn , if i wanted a coach and even if i could afford someone more expensive one i would still choose him.
Down to earth, honest and no cheerleader style coaching

It sounds like a lot of money yes but think about it. I guess at that price it's not a copy paste program so let's say coach spends 1h on you per week that's 120 Usd per hour

Go find a top notch arquitect, lawyer or consultant at that rate

Siri. Am I the only one who would pick a woman other than the guy who said "hot female pro"?

I think it's hard to know in advance what coach is going to work best for you. Cost and quality are probably even less correlated than typical products and services. One thing I would do if I had unlimited budget, would be to essentially separate my swimming and triathlon coaching, and pay for a swim coach to work with me one-on-one. I do this once per week already with a personal trainer who was a quality Division II swimmer, but I'd do it for every session, and with someone more qualified. My triathlon coaching probably wouldn't change regardless of budget (I do QT2 . . . obviously, between swimming and coaching, I am already spending a fair bit).

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I wouldn't go with DTD, based on other threads he doesn't know his athletes, speaks cryptically, and seams like he really hates to spoon feed and babysit people.

2c,

3rd vote for Jonnyo. [Pink] If I didn’t hate this absurd sport so much[Pink] I’d still be training under him.

He insists on lowering his value by posting great insights and advice online for free, but fortunately it’s the internet where wisdom frequently flies under the radar...

David is my coach and you could not be further from the truth. He certainly doesn't handhold/babysit, but he's honest, tells it like it is (and will explain anything and everything is straightforward detail), and is incredibly supportive.

Maybe my experience isn't everyone's when it comes to DTD (though the other athletes I know he currently works with speak volumes of him as well), but for me it's been a complete pleasure.

Smart ass comment on my part, should be in pink. I was paraphrasing some illogical and emotional comments made by others in another thread.

As a coach, there are a few people on here who I would love to have a couple beers with one day.

He'd be one of them for sure!!

Cheers,

Maurice,
If we ever cross paths at a race for sure I’ll take you up on that.

Last week and this weekend was rather busy thus brevity of posts but appreciate the feedback to communicate a tad better to folks here.

Best,

David

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I was going to reply before Louisville about the nice job with Greg Close with IMLP, but I guess that is too late now. I see Greg chimed in later in this thread. Hat's off to both the athlete and coach on that Louisville performance.

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Cheers Thomas, Lesley Smith had a good Ironman debut too. You okay given your day?

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Thanks, Thomas, I appreciate it. Hope you're recovering well from illness and glad to see we all stayed upright on the bike course. It got a little ( a lot!) sketchy out there

Lezley had a great race. Great swim, fantastic looking position on the bike and bike, great run. She is a very talented athlete and always racing at high-level. I always like to see taking stagnant athletes who compete at a high-level and bringing their game up even further - that means more to me when looking at coaches. I see that in Greg Close. Congrats on both though!!

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Who are the leading coaches for Long course/Short course in the USA today? What's a realistic price to pay for until you get federation funding?

Thanks

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Jo Spindler, with GOLD plan + having him with you on all the sessions

Why are people not just lumping all the money on Paulo Sousa?

That way you get a coach and someone who libels your fellow athletes while they are on the course to ensure their work is diminished.

Coach and a mudslinger. Perfect.

As a cyclist, probably Neal Henderson.

Unlimited budget? Move to Arizona and train under bob bowman and Michael phelps.

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Am I the only one who would pick a woman other than the guy who said "hot female pro"?

Just curious but what are your reasons for picking a woman over a man?

Jenny McCarthy

I would go for a coach who has the ability to get an athlete to the top, pure development from grassroots to world stage....... hmmmmmm Who is Tailor Knibbs coach? That person turned her from a really good junior to a world champion and beyond.

I need that coach (and some better genetics.... OK a lot better genetics, I also need to start actually entering the lottery ha)

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I would go for a coach who has the ability to get an athlete to the top, pure development from grassroots to world stage....... hmmmmmm Who is Tailor Knibbs coach? That person turned her from a really good junior to a world champion and beyond.


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that coach would be 3 people

Jennifer Hutchison...Ian O'Brien (won 2016 Jr world title) and current coach Neal Henderson (won 2017 Jr world title).......it's almost unheard of to take an athlete from grassroots to world stage. athletes move around far too soon to really showcase that talent.

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Thanks B_Doughtie ...Nice.


She is a phenom! Sooooo maybe I hire all 3 of them?


I just googled it (I should have just done that before) so here goes.... https://www.triathlon.org/...s/80643/taylor_knibb

So it seems Jennifer Hutchinson of Trident Junior team coached her as a junior to mid 2015. Building the foundation.

Iain O'Brien coached Knibb to her first elite race (that she won). Then through a long list of elite wins/podiums and a World Cup podium, WTS 11th and a World Junior title in 2016, with more podiums in 2017 and a 4th in a world cup in Italy ....and so on into 2017

Neal Henderson seems to have picked her up a couple of months before worlds 2017.

On this pathway she will be one to watch in 2018 oh boy!



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that coach would be 3 people

Jennifer Hutchison...Ian O'Brien (won 2016 Jr world title) and current coach Neal Henderson (won 2017 Jr world title).......it's almost unheard of to take an athlete from grassroots to world stage. athletes move around far too soon to really showcase that talent.[/quote]

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