So you are saying that people (women) got off their bike and went to the change tent and sat down and peed on the chairs? If they were going to pee on themselves, why not just do it on the bike?? That story seems unlikely.........BUT then again....... One of the pro's (Male) in the Inaugural IMCHOO was in the change tent and just stood there and took a leak on the concrete....splattering volunteers nearby....then took off on the run. The volunteers didn't know what to do or say....they were in shock.....as I would be. A few days later, Ironman put out an announcement that doing this was a rules violation. Wish I remembered the pro that did that....I am sure its in a thread here somewhere.

I think peeing in T1 or T2 is more common that you think, you don;t have to actively look for it, its all around you. Not on the chairs, most would sit on the ground/grass and pee. You can smell it all around....

Thanks for reminding me to wash my bike.

There was a male pro doing this out on the run course yesterday at Ironman Wisconsin. I yelled at him. Course is an open trail, heavily trafficked both by the race, but also the students, plenty of people around.

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It's really F'ing disgusting. At IM Atlantic City 70.3 last year this guy did the same while standing before the swim start smack in the middle of the group just peed into his wetsuit all over the floor with other athletes inches next to him that slowly moved away. That kinda animal behavior should be a straight DQ.

I wish I had a photo. This is not far fetched. I've had 2 other female athletes share their thoughts on the same thing. Grey folding chairs with a pool of urine. I think athletes should be penalized of DQ'd for this. It was brutal. They could have sat on the grass... that would be better than leaving it on the chair.

But everyone pees in the pool and think it is just fine. It is all the same... dilution is the the solution for pollution. At least in the chair it is not in your mouth or face like in the pool.

I don't think it's fine.

It Certainly ISN'T.
I guess when it's a race, all sort of mindfulness or decency goes down the proverbial toilet

It's gross, but if I've trained hard for that race and I can't hold it in any longer, that's where I'm going to pee. I wouldn't like sitting in someone's piss, but I wouldn't have a problem with them doing it there. It's a race. Don't any of you have kids?? I spent 3 years of my life being covered in shit, puke and piss.

totally agree. Not to excuse it at all, but for some in the heat of competition it may be reflexive: sitting down frees a clenched bladder.

Just making competitors aware that this could happen might stop some of it. For the ones standing up, DQ.

A better question is why people feel it's necessary to sit down after their bike in a 70.3 WC. I expect that at normal 70.3s... but for a WC? Come on, it's a race, and honestly it isn't that long.

I was surprised to see chairs in T2. I was even more surprised seeing folks sitting down and taking their sweet time in transition.

Why would you not just pee on the bike?

Did he whip it out on the run course??? Wouldn't that be a DQ if an official saw it? Weird.

So someone should have to sit in your piss because you "trained hard" and can't be bothered to take one minute out of your 5+ hour race to use an actual porta-potty? The level of narcissism in this sport is incredible.

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Those that know me know i will pee almost anywhere, i pee on myself chronically when i race. BUT I would not pee in those little chairs they had at Worlds. A. there were 50 open bathrooms right before the chairs and B. Someone else has to sit there next, its not nice to do it right there.

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There were portos less than 20' from the chairs in T2.

Yeah basically.

Personally I'd opt not to piss on a seat, I'm pretty sure I could find somewhere better to piss, most likely on the bike, but if someone pisses on the seat to save time, meh I've seen worse. Chrissie Wellington shat herself before the swim start, shat herself on the bike and shat in the bushes Kona 2009. What do you think she should have done. Got out the water and queued up at the toilets? Got off bike and used a porta-potty whilst her rivals whistled past? It's a race that some people have trained months for and sacrificed a lot. Give that up because you find a bit of pee icky?

Yeah it's not cool, if that was me I'd find somewhere else to piss. But yeah not really something I'd be that bothered about. I squad swam for 10 years so spent half my life swimming in piss.

Would it be easier to change poor human behavior or perhaps place a volunteer there for the clean-up duty?

Pee yourself or shit yourself on course, I don't care. Nor would I care if you stepped off to the side of the course and exposed yourself to take care of nature's call. But pissing on the changing seats in the Transition Zone where there are rows of porta-potties mere steps away? That's pretty savage behavior.

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"They're made of latex, not nitroglycerin"

I went in the porta potty, cost me maybe 20 seconds, but I do know someone who told me that he peed in the chairs.

Yeah you're right, the seat is a bit gross. I would have found somewhere else to go.

People are going to fall on various points of the spectrum in terms of putting their own desires above other people. Personally I don't care for inconsiderate people. And pissing on a chair that other people will sit on is inconsiderate. It's about having standards and how you are going to treat others. I've met mostly nice people in triathlon, but also some people perhaps who have lost perspective as well. One guy gave me advice on the swim, to punch and climb over other swimmers. I don't roll that way - but apparently some people do. Are you going to piss/crap on others? In the end you got to look in the mirror. But the narcissist sees only himself in the mirror not anyone standing behind in his piss, lol.

Name and shame?

Pubes?

The women were just as bad 1/3 of the chairs with puddles of pee. I started an hour after the pros.

The ports potties 20 ft away, OTOH, were extremely clean

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I can never remember if his name is Brandon Barrett or Barrett Brandon, but that's your guy.

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

+1

Did the women's race and can confirm, the urine stink entering T2 was horrid. Found a dry chair luckily. Didn't notice it in T1 as I didn't need to stop to put on shoes.

Geez, I feel weird peeing during the swim warmup anywhere near people. "Don't mind me, I'm just 50 yards over here standing still for nooooo reason." *shiver*

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...hange_Tent_P5281608/

Happens every year in the swim start line at Louisville. And when the race was in August, we weren't wearing wetsuits..........

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Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.

I was in the last wave to start the men's race. While standing on the concrete dock waiting to start, I was thinking about how much urine I was standing in since it was wet and they didn't allow a swim warm-up (so, not river water). Then, entering T2, I spotted how many chairs had "pools" on them...figured it was piss and not sweat based on the amount.

Hats off to the volunteers for dealing with this behavior, knowing it's not what they signed up for. I thought they did an awesome job throughout the day all over the course.

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Pee on your bike. Pee in the bushes. Pee in the ditch. Pee in the porta-potty. Do not pee in a chair that hundreds of women could sit in after you.

We had to run through that transition area. We didn't have a choice. We picked up our bags and there were rows of chairs, like in Ironman, but they were outside not in a tent. You could sit on the ground I guess but the chairs were well placed. We could not put any gear at our bikes so needed to get our gear out of the bag for bike and run.

Shame on anyone who felt their need to save 20 seconds was more important than the volunteers sanity or the needs of other racers to sit BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE RACE WAS SET UP! They could have peed all over themselves as they ran out of transition and we wouldn't have known. There were so many other options that the
"pee on a chair" option was ridiculous, narcissistic, inconsiderate and rude. If you think it was OK it might be time to take a look in the mirror. Sitting in someones pool of urine is very different than swimming or standing in it walking up to the swim start. My feet get wet, I hop in the lake. My ass gets wet from your urine and I chafe and carry you with me for the entire run. So gross.

Maybe it is time to get rid of the chairs? Or at least have holes in the middle?

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I was thinking more freezing cold weather races.

Hello h2ofun and All,

Yes a hole in the chair ..... or many holes in the chairs ...

Obviously there is a need or so many triathletes would not be indulging in peeing on the chairs.

Create an engineered solution so you can pee while sitting in a chair putting on your shoes or whatever.



Put a trough under the chairs with clean running water and problem solved .... and a problem becomes a triathlon race feature.

Or install a video security camera and drug test the urine.

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Yeah, no. If I showed up to volunteer and they assigned me trough duty, I'd hand them back their free t-shirt and go spectate instead.

Does not fix all the issues, but sure improves on many. Great idea

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Oddly enough the WC was the first race I have ever done where I thought to take the time in T2 to pee rather than just do it while running. I wasn't trying to win anything or qualify for anything, so taking 30 seconds to stop in the portopotty was an incredible luxury. I didn't notice any pee on the chairs in the men's race but I heard reports of pee-covered chairs for the women's race.

Good idea but what about those clean meant to go pee in porta johns that were 20 ft away from the chair! Trough duty would be a tough volunteer job to fill I suspect. Maybe a bench with a hole in it? Simple but effective. The holy chair option leaves open the possibility for the peeing athlete to pee on their own gear. I do like that as a possible outcome:)

Do people really pee in the pool?

I had this moment awhile back in a pool with someone else in the male

Me: I'll be right back. Just using the bathroom

Other Person: Oh, stomach troubles?

Me: No, I just have to take a leak

Other person: Oh that's so good of you to use the toilets even when swimming

I walked away thinking "Good person...are you telling me you just piss in the pool?"

Some people just can't! I once had to go so bad I though I was gonna explode with piss but I just couldn't go on the bike so I had to wait about 45 minutes to see a porta potty all while feeling like I was going to explode! I tried multiple time but it just didn't work. I still wouldn't pee on a chair though... I can understand the grass, I mean it's gonna absorb it at least!

If I was a volunteer, and you explained that to me, I'd punch you in the mouth.

These people are VOLUNTEERING.

and if I was the volunteer, I would kick you in the nuts after you got punched in the mouth*. The LP 70.3 briefing told people not to pee in the lake. It is hard enough to stage these races when athletes are posting about pissing in the lake. The community reads this and has to put up with it. Also the a-holes who piss right before the wetsuit peelers help them out are really amazing. LP will DQ anyone doing this.

*metaphorically speaking.

Hey Geek Fit, I have never ever peed in the pool. I used to be a pool man and had to keep a bunch of them balanced and the water clear. A bunch of years back we had some huge threads on peeing in the pool. I think about 90% of the forum members that participated said they peed in the pool all the time. I thought it was the kids that did that, but the triathletes did too.

Oh God...I'm not sure I can swim in a pool anymore.

What the hell is wrong with people? They are training for a triathlon but too lazy to get out of the water to pee?

We need a "Do you pee in the pool" poll.

Uh, no. We don't.
Because the results would likely be revolting.

I have never peed in a pool.
Lakes and ponds? Sure thing.
In my wetsuit before a race starts? It's like a pre-race ritual at this point.
On my bike in an IM? Yup.

But in a pool? Nope.

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Well Zed already stated he would pee in the chair if it was a race he trained for.....so I am sure others wouldn't have a problem shedding light on pool peeing.


I am really curious why people think it is ok to pee in the pool? Have they peed in pools their whole life? Did their parents not tell them to get out and go to the bathroom when they were a kid? Do they care if their lane mates also pee in the pool? Are all pools ok to pee in or just some? Is it based on depth and size of the pool? Would it be ok if someone was standing on the deck and peed on them directly? Do they pee in hot tubs also? Do they have a pee fetish? At what point does urine bother pool pee-ers?

Never peed in a pool either, when i had a backyard pool I'd pee behind the garden shed lol

I work at a pool and people are disgusting, a parent told their kid it was ok to sit on the side of the pool and piss during a swimming lesson... then there's the female change room, it makes sense to me that the women's racers had worse hygiene behavior than the men.

It is a brain-stem conceived statement for Gender Equality!

It's waaaaay beyond "inconsiderate." More like "sociopathic."

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Strange denizens of the freakin' World Championships. These individuals are supposed to represent the best in the sport?

Hello Petrus 101 and All,


http://www.outdoorlife.com/...-5-myths-dehydration


"Drinking Urine: It ALWAYS comes up when I’m teaching a wilderness survival class: “Can we drink pee in an emergency?” Invariably I reply, “You could, but why would you want to? Because some shock-value survival show told you it was a good thing?”

Urine is full of the body’s waste products. If conditions are grim enough to inspire you to consume alternative beverages, then everybody is most likely dehydrated.

The urine of a dehydrated person is even more laden with stuff that has no reason to be reintroduced into the human body.

Pee can be useful. Such as dampening clothing for evaporative cooling in hot climates, or dousing jellyfish stings to keep unfired barbs from firing.

But it’s not a safe or smart choice for consumption."


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/...y-sterile-180954809/

Excerpt:

"Americans suffer from 4 million urinary tract infections a year—they account for about one percent of all outpatient visits. Now, the primary means of diagnosing these conditions and other bladder-related problems is being called into question.

A new study has shown that despite the common belief that urine is sterile, it isn’t at all. In fact, the new research shows bacteria in the urine of healthy women—a finding that could turn a time-tested diagnostic tool on its head.

For decades, scientists have thought that urine is sterile and that patients who test positive for bacteria in their urine have urinary tract disorders. In 2014, a team of scientists from Loyola University found discovered that might not be true.

Now, the team has used advanced methods to analyze urine specimens collected directly from the bladders of healthy women—and sure enough, they found bacteria in the urine. By using a technique called expanded quantitative urine culture (EQUC) and sequencing the subjects’ bacterial DNA, the team was able to identify bacteria not usually picked up by traditional urine cultures."

and ....

https://www.backpacker.com/...king-urine-dangerous

Also ......

https://glow420.files.wordpress.com/...urvival-handbook.pdf

You should never drink the following: • Blood • Urine • Saltwater • Alcohol • Fresh sea ice
Fresh sea ice is milky or grey, has sharp edges, does not break easily, and is extremely salty. Older sea ice is usually salt-free, has a blue or black tint and rounded edges, and breaks easily. Melted old sea ice is usually safe to drink, but should be purified first, if possible

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Before we bother with fancy ant-draft sensors, just put a moisture detector along with a chip reader on the chair.

You could flash a big "Illegal Urination Bib #123" sign along with an auto DQ with no referees needed!

You beat me too it...that is not water on the ground at the swim start for Louisville. Cool morning last year but the ground was pleasantly warm on the feet....

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Nearly all elite swimmers do. It's just what you do.

Sheesh, surprised how pee-averse this thread is. I

Easy Tiger. Lets not go overboard. Someone did a pee on a seat. That's all. Not cool, but there are worse things in life that can happen.

You never squad swam as a kid huh? What do you think would happen if teenagers were allowed to jump out the pool every time they needed the toilet? I'm surprised you object so much, you do realise you've been swimming in piss most of your life?

I think it is unworthy of a social being...but I guess in the US, being part of society is pretty low on the list.

Luckily I'm not in the US then!

Well, there are "third world" countries..... or people.

I'm not in Canada either.

Do you still pee in the pool?

As often as I can.

^^This

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In any normal 70.3 your stuff is laid out at your rack spot, so there is no need to sit or anything. In this case with the bike catchers and bags they gave us, the transition setup was no different than a full except there was no change tent. Easiest way to get your stuff out of the T2 bag was to stop, sit, and take care of things. I don't think I lost more than 5 seconds in T2 to "sitting" to deal with my stuff rather than the usual method.

Basically pissing on your competitors, not to mention the VOLUNTEERS who I'm certain got splashed with it and end up having to clean it up, when there was literally a porta potty 20 steps away is pretty sociopathic behavior in my opinion as well. It 100% comes down to "I'm more important than everyone else and don't need to follow the rules of civilized society even if it hurts somebody else"...

not cool.

I swam on squads from the time I was six until I was nineteen, and I always got out of the pool to go to the bathroom. Still do to this day. So not everybody pees in the pool.

There was a chair full of pee next to me at T2. You have to watch where you sit. I agree the volunteers shouldn't have to clean up pee!

You appear to be unaware of what some volunteers already do at races. I'm not. Who do you think eventually cleans the piss-laden chairs? I'm guessing a volunteer. So why not spray-off the chairs during the race so others can use them? Or better yet, change the behavior of the pisser so a volunteer doesn't need to clean the chairs (at any point).

Now, punch-way.

Toilette tracking system
Chip transmits signal if you enter toilette areas,you get a 30sec off overall time

The race needs this guy.

I never lived anywhere were squad swimming as a kid was even an option, so seriously, I have no idea . I assume if they jumped out to run to the toilet, then it would go like this: teen jumps out, runs to the bathroom, comes back in like 2 mins or less, rejoins set in progress. You might say that the coach would go ballistic, and I would say then you've got the wrong person coaching.

this.

The only time any coach I've had went ballistic in regards to bathroom breaks was if people were running on the pool deck on their way to or from: "slow down!"

Well then, answer my questions damnit!! :)

This is soooo true!!! I have worked in the ladies tent volunteering several times at IMLOU and yes, women will pee right there or squat down while they are arranging their things...OMG there are literally tons of porta johns right outside of transition why in gods name would they continue to do this...so disrespectful to other athletes and volunteers...regardless i'll not be volunteering at IMLOU anymore!

The fact you are increduluos probably means you are good person with faith in your fellow humans. I am here to tell you, men and women pee in those chairs all the time, I have seen it numerous times. I THINK the reason is they could not relax hard enough to let it flow on the bike. That of course still begs the question why not just use the ample portapottys stationed nearby.

Peeing in your wetsuit on dry land before the start is pushing it ... in a water start, acceptable.

One reason why I stopped volunteering to be either a.) a wet suit stripper or b.) working the change tents.

After seeing this thread I would never ever help in those areas. Has to be the most disgusting thing I have ever heard, IMO. NO EXCUSE, PERIOD!! None of these folks are putting food on the table from their race. It is just more of it is me, me, me attitude.

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Bunch of f'ing savages in this sport.
Cage fighters have better manners.

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I was running towards his back and he at least faced the treeline so I didn't see it.

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I agree 100%.

I'm a prolific pee'er. But peeing on the chairs in transition is beyond my comprehension. Their mothers must be so proud.

So...wait. There's no chemical that turns purple upon contact with pee?
You're telling me pool managers have been allowing this yarn to run rampant in the wilds of the community pool community?
They've been supporting this carefully crafted psy-ops for decades!
I demand we gather up all those whistle twirling, zinc nosed, "walk" yelling weenies and throw them in the pool. The highly concentrated pee filled pool!

I just can't bring myself to do it. I know it happens. I've not brought myself to pee on the bike yet. I'm sure I could. Quite easily. I don't have a 'thing' with it, like I do the pool. TBH, I would probably squirt myself a couple times with a water bottle, though.

Heck, I just learned my wife can't bring herself to pee in the shower, even though she's fascinated by the fact that it would 'save' quite a few gallons over a lifetime.

Funny thing about this is that I had a guy I know that used to Swim on a College team say that he would prefer to pee in the pool than to pee in the lake any day. Not sure I quite understand that reasoning. So I know he does it.