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IM AC 70.3 - 2017
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Who's in for this race? It will be my first year. Sold out!

I was just reading the athlete guide and the bike course says 2.5 loops. I'm assuming it'll be pretty well marked, but the map in the guide confuses the crap out of me.

I also read some race reports from last year and hoping we don't have the same current issues they ran into part way through the swim last year!
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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Won't have the swim issues. The new course avoids the section of the bay prone to that.

The bike course will be ok. The map does look confusing, but it will be fine. A lot of it is on the expressway. Should be easy to navigate. The weather right now looks cooperative, but that's a ways out. Last year was a great race, I expect the same this time around.

I talk to myself because mine are the only answers I'll accept - George Carlin
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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Tatonka wrote:
The bike course will be ok.

I beg to differ. Maybe it'll be okay for those riding 18 mph, but it's going to be all kinds of dangerous for those going 24+. Slingshotting is of course an excellent way to die.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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What safety difference do you see versus last year's course? There could be a boredom difference, but at the very least road quality should be better than some of the back roads and the large pothole by the Wawa. I'm shooting for a 22-22 average and I'm fine with the course layout.

I'd rather be on the expressway than in a Wawa parking lot. Just my $.02

I talk to myself because mine are the only answers I'll accept - George Carlin
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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What safety difference do you see versus last year's course? There could be a boredom difference, but at the very least road quality should be better than some of the back roads and the large pothole by the Wawa. I'm shooting for a 22-22 average and I'm fine with the course layout.

I'd rather be on the expressway than in a Wawa parking lot. Just my $.02

The concern is that when the front of the pack rolling 23-25mph laps the back of the pack going 15-18 that the speed differential is going to cause problems. If everyone is trying to "ride legally" and thus as far right as is safe there will be a lot of high-speed slighshotting. It's neither a bad, nor dangerous technique to use when the speed differential isn't that large, but it could get really bad when, like will happen here, the FOP approaches and laps the BOP.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [g_lev] [ In reply to ]
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I understand that, however the expressway sections of the course have the whole shoulder (at 6-7 feet wide) plus the lane of traffic. That's essentially two lanes of traffic to handle the crowd.

I guess I am stupid being hopeful that people will ride to the right. That's kinda like hoping there won't be peleton-esque draft packs on the course either. A guy can dream though.

I talk to myself because mine are the only answers I'll accept - George Carlin
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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Tatonka wrote:
I understand that, however the expressway sections of the course have the whole shoulder (at 6-7 feet wide) plus the lane of traffic. That's essentially two lanes of traffic to handle the crowd.

I guess I am stupid being hopeful that people will ride to the right. That's kinda like hoping there won't be peleton-esque draft packs on the course either. A guy can dream though.

There's also the rumble strips to contend with so my guess is people will be moving back and forth from the shoulder to the road. You can stay on the shoulder for so long before an exit forces you across them. Once people go around one loop they are going to realize crossing over them isn't the most fun and may stay in the road.

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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Tatonka wrote:
I guess I am stupid being hopeful that people will ride to the right. That's kinda like hoping there won't be peleton-esque draft packs on the course either. A guy can dream though.

Have you ever done a multi-loop MDot 70.3 course before?
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Every course I have done is single loop.

As I said, maybe I'm just being optimistic, and as a slower than average swimmer but better than average cyclist, I'll be right in the thick of the shit probably. Maybe I'm just hoping for the best and counting on Delmo having a good course. We'll all have to wait and see I guess.

I talk to myself because mine are the only answers I'll accept - George Carlin
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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My biggest concern for the course is the expressway. I agree that some of the out of town sections last year had some rough roads, but 90% were pretty good and it was mostly closed to traffic. Now you have a substantial amount of the course out on the expressway.

Anyone that has done the AC tri in August knows that even though it's a "closed" course to traffic along the expressway, there are still cars and NJ transit buses flying by occasionally at 60 plus miles an hour in the next two lanes. Of course I'm sure those little orange cones will protect us. Part of the problem with the AC tri is that they have a sprint and Olympic going off simultaneously and is the reason I'll never do it again. That means on the second lap you are passing people in the Sprint and slower Olympic athletes that are riding 3-4 abreast. You essentially have a 1-2 person lane to go by on the side closer to traffic. You end up yelling "on your left" the entire second loop. A few times I had to sit up and wait for an opening, but then there are the more daring athletes that would go outside the cones to get around at all costs. Never underestimate the stupid choices people will make to save 20-30 seconds when their competitive juices are flowing. Now add in the "state" of the average person driving a car out of or into AC at that time of the morning and that race is a disaster waiting to happen in my opinion. When I saw the report about the accident at the Chicago tri recently, my first thought was how long it's going to take for that to happen in AC.

I'm hoping the 70.3 will be more spread out and not have as many issues. Also, watch out for the grooves between the outside lane and the shoulder of the road. There are points where you will have to move into shoulder and they will jolt your front end when crossing over.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
Tatonka wrote:
I guess I am stupid being hopeful that people will ride to the right. That's kinda like hoping there won't be peleton-esque draft packs on the course either. A guy can dream though.


Have you ever done an MDot 70.3 course before?

Fixed it for you...

Even in single-loop courses you get packs, drafting, blocking, etc. because it's Ironman and that's just how it works.

The multi-loop aspect just adds a new level of chaos to the stupidity. It's basic arithmetic to know that it's impossible to put 2500 cyclists on a 25ish mile loop and have everyone stay at draft legal spacing (especially with the 6 bike length requirement).
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [g_lev] [ In reply to ]
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g_lev wrote:
kileyay wrote:
Tatonka wrote:
I guess I am stupid being hopeful that people will ride to the right. That's kinda like hoping there won't be peleton-esque draft packs on the course either. A guy can dream though.


Have you ever done an MDot 70.3 course before?


Fixed it for you...

Even in single-loop courses you get packs, drafting, blocking, etc. because it's Ironman and that's just how it works.

The multi-loop aspect just adds a new level of chaos to the stupidity. It's basic arithmetic to know that it's impossible to put 2500 cyclists on a 25ish mile loop and have everyone stay at draft legal spacing (especially with the 6 bike length requirement).

Not necessarily true. This year there were self seeded swim starts at Oceanside and Chattanooga -- in these types of races, if you position yourself towards the front and if you can swim, then you'll ride mostly alone all day, assuming you can bike. In a regular age group wave start, it's the luck of the draw -- at Muskoka, I was in the first wave and didn't see a single other athlete on the bike course. Legitimately, not one.

It's not just a new level of chaos, it's 2.5x the chaos, if not more, and there is no way to escape it for any athlete of any ability. This race is going to be an absolute shitshow mad house, and if you think otherwise you haven't done races like this.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
g_lev wrote:
kileyay wrote:
Tatonka wrote:
I guess I am stupid being hopeful that people will ride to the right. That's kinda like hoping there won't be peleton-esque draft packs on the course either. A guy can dream though.


Have you ever done an MDot 70.3 course before?


Fixed it for you...

Even in single-loop courses you get packs, drafting, blocking, etc. because it's Ironman and that's just how it works.

The multi-loop aspect just adds a new level of chaos to the stupidity. It's basic arithmetic to know that it's impossible to put 2500 cyclists on a 25ish mile loop and have everyone stay at draft legal spacing (especially with the 6 bike length requirement).


Not necessarily true. This year there were self seeded swim starts at Oceanside and Chattanooga -- in these types of races, if you position yourself towards the front and if you can swim, then you'll ride mostly alone all day, assuming you can bike. In a regular age group wave start, it's the luck of the draw -- at Muskoka, I was in the first wave and didn't see a single other athlete on the bike course. Legitimately, not one.

It's not just a new level of chaos, it's 2.5x the chaos, if not more, and there is no way to escape it for any athlete of any ability. This race is going to be an absolute shitshow mad house, and if you think otherwise you haven't done races like this.

Fair enough. It seems to work OK at fulls with two loops just due to the length. Worked reasonably well at IMLP this year but it did take about 25 miles for the front peloton to break up.

I was in a later wave at Raleigh 70.3 this year and was constantly in the position of passing much slower people from earlier waves. While the slingshot effect was nice, that wasn't exactly a safe thing to be doing (but what else could I do riding 23mph vs the people ahead of be barely holding on to 18?).

One thing I'll tell you that didn't work at all was at 70.3 Maine last weekend where they didn't have us self-seed and instead lined us up in whatever order we arrived. I got stuck at the back choosing to get in the 60F water for a few minutes to acclimate. Trying to race fast from the back of 2000 people was not much fun.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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kileyay wrote:
It's not just a new level of chaos, it's 2.5x the chaos, if not more, and there is no way to escape it for any athlete of any ability. This race is going to be an absolute shitshow mad house, and if you think otherwise you haven't done races like this.

^^^This

I am in. Did it last year also. Had I known it was going to be a 2.5x loop bike I would never have signed up. Lots of people love this race director. He really grates on me for some reason. Always posting videos of himself that are basically intended to let you know how wonderful he and his races are. Maybe he had no idea he wasn't going to get permits for the same bike course as last year until way after registration opened, but I just have a feeling that that is not the case, and that he waited until the race was close to full and then made the announcement about the bike being 2.5x loops. Even now he tries to spin it like its some kind of great improvement over last year by saying it's going to be closed to traffic and we "get to ride toll free on the Atlantic City Expressway". There's been no acknowledgement of how dangerous it is going to be with that many bikers trying to share the course.

I'm betting that his legion of fanboys blast me for this post.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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RallySavage wrote:
kileyay wrote:

It's not just a new level of chaos, it's 2.5x the chaos, if not more, and there is no way to escape it for any athlete of any ability. This race is going to be an absolute shitshow mad house, and if you think otherwise you haven't done races like this.


^^^This

I am in. Did it last year also. Had I known it was going to be a 2.5x loop bike I would never have signed up. Lots of people love this race director. He really grates on me for some reason. Always posting videos of himself that are basically intended to let you know how wonderful he and his races are. Maybe he had no idea he wasn't going to get permits for the same bike course as last year until way after registration opened, but I just have a feeling that that is not the case, and that he waited until the race was close to full and then made the announcement about the bike being 2.5x loops. Even now he tries to spin it like its some kind of great improvement over last year by saying it's going to be closed to traffic and we "get to ride toll free on the Atlantic City Expressway". There's been no acknowledgement of how dangerous it is going to be with that many bikers trying to share the course.

I'm betting that his legion of fanboys blast me for this post.

Well, this is all somewhat disappointing. I had heard such great things about Delmo events that I figured this would be just as great, if not better. Though, only one way to find out...
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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RallySavage wrote:
kileyay wrote:

It's not just a new level of chaos, it's 2.5x the chaos, if not more, and there is no way to escape it for any athlete of any ability. This race is going to be an absolute shitshow mad house, and if you think otherwise you haven't done races like this.


^^^This

I am in. Did it last year also. Had I known it was going to be a 2.5x loop bike I would never have signed up. Lots of people love this race director. He really grates on me for some reason. Always posting videos of himself that are basically intended to let you know how wonderful he and his races are. Maybe he had no idea he wasn't going to get permits for the same bike course as last year until way after registration opened, but I just have a feeling that that is not the case, and that he waited until the race was close to full and then made the announcement about the bike being 2.5x loops. Even now he tries to spin it like its some kind of great improvement over last year by saying it's going to be closed to traffic and we "get to ride toll free on the Atlantic City Expressway". There's been no acknowledgement of how dangerous it is going to be with that many bikers trying to share the course.

I'm betting that his legion of fanboys blast me for this post.

I was disappointed in the change after signing up. I enjoyed last year's race (despite the worst bonk I've ever experienced), and while I still would have signed up, I wish I did know of the change prior to registering.

I've always enjoyed the RDs events. Far from a fanboy, don't really watch the videos, but I've had good experiences at any of his events I've done. If the bike course is a cluster, I'll be the first to call it that and not do the event in the future if it is a bad experience. I am willing though to give something new a chance and see how it works out. Experiences will vary I bet, and I wish I spent some more time swimming (and hired a coach) so I'd be a bit more near the front.

Every long (or short for that matter) course tri has something that is a cluster. For the most part, if people followed the rules, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it ends up being.

I talk to myself because mine are the only answers I'll accept - George Carlin
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [kileyay] [ In reply to ]
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Don't forget about the "first timers" that want to be "AN IRONMAN" and are doing the race on little-to-no training / have no idea how to handle a bike. Two examples from the past couple years.
  1. Eagleman: One person that had no business being on a bike decided it would be a good idea to stop at an aid station 3' in to the road relative to the volunteers - guy behind her getting ready for a sling-shot came out of aero, hit the brakes but still SLAMMED in to her.
  2. St. George: A girl on a road bike attempted to grab a drink while traveling past an aid station. She lost control of her bike, plowed directly into a volunteer and flew over a fold-up table (bike and all).

Now we will have 2.5x the interaction opportunities with these NARPS and on winding highway ramps to boot -- we're going to be in for some fun.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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Tatonka wrote:
What safety difference do you see versus last year's course? There could be a boredom difference, but at the very least road quality should be better than some of the back roads and the large pothole by the Wawa. I'm shooting for a 22-22 average and I'm fine with the course layout.

I'd rather be on the expressway than in a Wawa parking lot. Just my $.02

Pothole, or that fcvking lip at the entrance into the lot? I still remember that from CAC in 2015.. scary.

And yeah, once you're one side of the expressway rumble strips it's tough to cross back over. Was an issue in the AC Tri the year I did it ('14?) but with only 150 people for the CAC full, passing and getting passed wasn't really an issue since those 150 were so spread out after the course split from the half distance.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [WelshinPhilly] [ In reply to ]
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Course will be easy to follow, but yeah, it's going to get nutty. Was a bummer to see the course changed to the 2.5loop after registration.

I didn't think the rumble strips were bad when I did the olympic (only crossed twice), but coming back in on the bike and running into the back of the outgoing crowd on the overlapping part of the loop was rough.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [dand] [ In reply to ]
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I've not done the math, but I doubt that you can legally fit all the registered athletes on that course at the same time. Ironically, they posted on Facebook yesterday that they are looking for an additional two motto drivers to carry referees during the bike. Hope they have as many ambulances standing by.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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I've not done the math, but I doubt that you can legally fit all the registered athletes on that course at the same time.

56 miles x 1,760 yards/mile = 98,560 yards
98,560 yards / 2.5 laps = 39,424 yards per lap
39,424 yards / 2,500 people = 15.8 yards per person

"Athletes must keep six bike lengths of clear space between bikes except when passing. Failure to do so will result in a drafting violation"

Assuming everyone is uniformly distributed along the length of the course it should all be ok.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [vitalstatistix] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting discussion about the bike course. Is there a trend in IM to move toward 2 loop courses to help with permitting? Any critiques of the AC swim or run?
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [somers515] [ In reply to ]
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Also does anyone have a video showing the bike course route? Or even a map that better shows how the loops work then the official map?
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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Lots of howling at the moon in this thread.

What I've learned in my short tri career is:
  1. Many people don't properly seed themselves in the swim
  2. Many people don't know how to ride the bike and/or are oblivious to others around them

Your choice is to control what you can control.

I hear you that running up on people pedaling 15 MPH when you are pushing 25 sucks and is dangerous. You just need to be prepared that it is going to happen and you might need to come out of aero or pull that thing on your bars called a break. It's not optimal, but as the experienced rider and the one who is visually aware that you are trying to pass, it's on you to do it safely.

Should they be riding right? Yes.

Should they listen when you yell "left"? Yes.

Should you be able to stay aero and push your 400 watts? Yes.

Problem is you can't.

Like I said, you are the experienced rider and you should control the situation.

I've done all the Delmo races multiple times except 70.3. They are organized and well run. Compared to other RD's, I do believe he cares as much about me and my race experience as he cares about my money. My knock on him, which I have conveyed, is that he never addresses the novice athletes directly. His pre-race meetings are full of helpful information but I've never heard him say to the newbies "don't ride 5 across while having a conversation". Nonetheless, every race I do has athletes (usually in the same tri-club gear) riding 5 across having a conversation. I contend most of these athletes just don't know any better and it would only take someone telling them this to change their behavior.

When I was a newbie to tri, I didn't know roadies weren't comfortable riding close to me while I was in aero. I was training for an IM and did some rides with a local group. I thought I should spend as much time in aero as possible. I felt safe and under control. No big deal. I now understand these roadies were secretly wishing harm to me. It would have just taken one person to say something. Nobody ever did.

Golf is the same way. It took a 2-handicap to tell me to be aware of my shadow on the green for me to not have my shadow cast over someone else's line or ball.

Somebody just needs to educate these newbies in a way that doesn't require them to read pages and pages of USAT rule 7.2-5.66-a(4). Most of them are scared as hell and just trying to get the medal. They are not out to ruin your day. Worse, in a 70.3, I'd say that person riding 15mph on the bike is probably wondering how the hell they are going to run 13 miles. They have little regard for your 400 watts.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [somers515] [ In reply to ]
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I made this in mapmyride. It should be correct.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/routes/view/1650743948

I'm a little nervous about the loops, but I'm hoping the portion that takes you off the expressway and into the more rural area helps to spread people out a little bit.

Doing the AC Tri Oly , it was a shitty 2nd loop as you were coming back up the Expressway for your second lap and saw the swarm of sprint athletes coming down the on ramp.....but that was really never leaving the expressway.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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It will be a fun day so don't sweat the chatter and just pack some patience. I have raced lots of 70.3's and it does not matter if its one loop, two loops, five loops, or the 70.3 world championship. Every course is the same in that you are racing with a bunch of people whom you need to assume don't really know/care about race/bike etiquette. No one will have an advantage except for the draft packs...but they are just cheaters so they are what they are....someone above said control what you can and that is the best advise.

Good luck and I will see you on the starting line or 2.5 loops. LOL
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [bulldog15] [ In reply to ]
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bulldog15 wrote:
I made this in mapmyride. It should be correct.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/routes/view/1650743948

I'm a little nervous about the loops, but I'm hoping the portion that takes you off the expressway and into the more rural area helps to spread people out a little bit.

Doing the AC Tri Oly , it was a shitty 2nd loop as you were coming back up the Expressway for your second lap and saw the swarm of sprint athletes coming down the on ramp.....but that was really never leaving the expressway.

I think you're missing it. The route is entirely on the expressway this year. There are no rural areas.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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Is it though? The map in the athlete guide looks to be the same as the mapmyride route.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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RallySavage wrote:
bulldog15 wrote:
I made this in mapmyride. It should be correct.

http://www.mapmyrun.com/routes/view/1650743948

I'm a little nervous about the loops, but I'm hoping the portion that takes you off the expressway and into the more rural area helps to spread people out a little bit.

Doing the AC Tri Oly , it was a shitty 2nd loop as you were coming back up the Expressway for your second lap and saw the swarm of sprint athletes coming down the on ramp.....but that was really never leaving the expressway.


I think you're missing it. The route is entirely on the expressway this year. There are no rural areas.

My guess is he is saying the area on the west end of the bike course that turns you around it the rural area.

What I'd really like to know is how are they claiming the course is "99% closed to traffic".

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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It isn't entirely on the expressway.

The Atlantic City Tri is entirely on the expressway save for going up and over an overpass to come back.

IMAC Does leave the expressway and go up and around before you come back. It looks like about an 8 mile loop, so ~24 miles would be off the expressway
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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Anyone else watch the FB Live info session last night? I thought it was great! All sorts of good info on there. If you haven't checked it out already, it's on their page.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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ninagski wrote:
Anyone else watch the FB Live info session last night? I thought it was great! All sorts of good info on there. If you haven't checked it out already, it's on their page.

It's pretty long, and it was marketed to first-timers I believe. Did anything interesting come up about the bike course?
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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re: the bike course - it's about 1/3 on the AC Expressway. The course is completely closed to traffic.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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ninagski wrote:
re: the bike course - it's about 1/3 on the AC Expressway. The course is completely closed to traffic.

So the AC expressway is closed race day ?

"I think I've cracked the code. double letters are cheaters except for perfect squares (a, d, i, p and y). So Leddy isn't a cheater... "
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Leddy] [ In reply to ]
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Yes - though my guess it's only closed in one direction, splitting it in half - one for incoming riders and one for outgoing riders, though I'm not 100% sure. But that's how it was for the NYC tri. They closed an entire direction of the West Side Highway and split it in half - one for outbound and one for inbound riders.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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I hope so, it's the only way I can imagine the course working out. I know they're supposed to close off more than they did during the Olympic / Sprint tri in August but that was a complete, congested mess in some parts.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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That's not correct. Unless they changed the way they use the expressway from last years AC 70.3 and this years AC tri in August run by Delmo. They close the outside lane and shoulder to traffic on both sides by putting a line of cones down the parkway. There will be cars using the inside and middle lane on both sides during the race. So closed really means there are cars and buses zooming past you only separated by cones.

I don't think what you are suggesting about shutting one side down and completely using the other for the race is possible with how the course flows and the different on and off points to the expressway.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [run2tri80] [ In reply to ]
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So you're saying lane closures will be the same as it was in the August AC tri? Yikes.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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DelMo just did another video going over the bike course. It's on FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/...os/2009421595943955/
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [DDMike] [ In reply to ]
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Looking at the inset map turnaround in AC it clearly shows that you're coming into AC on the southbound ACE and heading out of town on the northbound ACE. Its on both sides of the highway like last year and like the AC tri.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [run2tri80] [ In reply to ]
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I've done the AC Tri 5 times. As many have said, this course is similar in many ways. I watched the Delmo video (even though I'm not doing IMAC) and I found it helpful. If you are doing the race and haven't watched it, you should.

What I can say is that I've never found the AC Tri course confusing. At the key turns or exits there are always signs. I've also always felt safe on the course. There will be rumble strips to contend with every now and then on the expressway but the shoulder is ample in most spots and when it's not you have a closed lane.

If I was doing the race, I'd worry less about the course and more about how I was mentally going to deal with hammering on a flat course (that could have a significant headwind). For me, there was nothing like thinking you were going to push 21-22mph and then struggling to hold 18mph on the expressway in one direction. There's zero wind protection out there.

The good news is it's likely going to be a tailwind the other direction so I was pushing 25-27mph then. However, be aware that if you are riding faster and easier than you normally do going out, you haven't had some sort of overnight fitness gain. You need to keep pushing to take advantage of the tailwind and be mentally prepared for the grind coming back. And, since it's a multi-lap course, you have to deal mentally with the fact you have to do this again.

This is not meant to scare anyone. After I learned to expect this, it made it easier to push through the dark times knowing they were finite and the advantage was coming.
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[quote ninagski Well, this is all somewhat disappointing. I had heard such great things about Delmo events that I figured this would be just as great, if not better. Though, only one way to find out...[/quote]

I wouldn't worry much about the bike course. I really liked the course last year, but don't have any problem with the change. There's always gonna be some congestion with ~2500 people, but I don't see why this course would be any more hectic/dangerous than typical IM 70.3 races. I think the rolling start will ease a lot of the problems people are predicting. The typical mid pack racers aren't likely to be lapping or getting lapped by anyone (provided the RD gets everyone in the water in a reasonable time), so it's a non issue. Sure, the top guys will be lapping the back of the field, but with the rolling start, those top guys will have 20+ miles of open road before they see anybody. Compare that to a wave start race like Eagleman or something, where the course is a nightmare from the first pedal stroke unless you happen to be in the first wave or two. I'll take the AC 70.3 setup over that. Maybe it'll be worse than I think. We'll see.
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I'm following this thread and trying to learn as much as I can about this race as I'm seriously considering it for next year. I'd be interested in anyone's race reports. I know the swim current was very tough last year but looks like they moved the swim to try to improve the swim. The run looks great being mostly on the boardwalk although there is no shade (and I'm still confused about the chatter about the short sand portion - where is that? why is it necessary? It wouldn't deter me really just curious). The bike course is what concerns me. I like that it's closed and I assume it will likely be windy but with it being a 2.5 lap course sounds like it will get congested. Basically this math from a poster above:

"56 miles x 1,760 yards/mile = 98,560 yards
98,560 yards / 2.5 laps = 39,424 yards per lap
39,424 yards / 2,500 people = 15.8 yards per person"

Anyway good luck to everyone racing it and please report back how it goes!
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(and I'm still confused about the chatter about the short sand portion - where is that? why is it necessary? It wouldn't deter me really just curious).

I haven't seen it mentioned here but there used to be short ( and it's really short) sand section around the finish line. Heading north on the boardwalk you go around the finish (short sand section) and then back onto the boardwalk.

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(and I'm still confused about the chatter about the short sand portion - where is that? why is it necessary? It wouldn't deter me really just curious).


I haven't seen it mentioned here but there used to be short ( and it's really short) sand section around the finish line. Heading north on the boardwalk you go around the finish (short sand section) and then back onto the boardwalk.



I believe there still is. It was there for the Tri AC this year because the finish line is at Boardwalk Hall.

It's not terrible and he has some mats down over the sand. Doesn't do a whole lot other than maybe keeps some sand from getting in your shoes. It's not firm enough to affect the footing.
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Ahhh - thank you guys. Now I finally understand. As you run north past the finish line he doesn't want you running right past the finish line so you go out to the beach for a short distance. Thank you!
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Ahhh - thank you guys. Now I finally understand. As you run north past the finish line he doesn't want you running right past the finish line so you go out to the beach for a short distance. Thank you!

It's not even really out to the beach. If it's the same sand section as the CAC 2015 run, you basically get diverted off the main boardwalk past the finish, through a narrow curved "corridor" of Greek column things, then cut close around the back of a building on a short section of narrow sand trail, and back onto the boards.

Compared to Delmo's other races the sand section in AC is nothing.
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somers515 wrote:
Ahhh - thank you guys. Now I finally understand. As you run north past the finish line he doesn't want you running right past the finish line so you go out to the beach for a short distance. Thank you!


It's not even really out to the beach. If it's the same sand section as the CAC 2015 run, you basically get diverted off the main boardwalk past the finish, through a narrow curved "corridor" of Greek column things, then cut close around the back of a building on a short section of narrow sand trail, and back onto the boards.

Compared to Delmo's other races the sand section in AC is nothing.

It is the same. Not really much sand at all and then through the pillars behind the pavilion.
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Also does anyone have a video showing the bike course route? Or even a map that better shows how the loops work then the official map?

I was confused as hell looking at the maps they have on the website, so I made a strava route based on the turn by turn directions.

Bike: https://www.strava.com/routes/10463906
Run: https://www.strava.com/routes/10464018

It's really 3 loops - 2.5 loops is a bit of a stretch by anyone's estimation. My math says that this is going to get super crowded fast. If we assume all athletes are on the course at once, then we have 2500 athletes on 30km of roadway.

That's one athlete per 12m...
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My guess is he is saying the area on the west end of the bike course that turns you around it the rural area.

What I'd really like to know is how are they claiming the course is "99% closed to traffic".

From the FB post, it sounded like they're defining "closed" as being that we cyclists "have no cars in our lane." The way he describes it as being closed, it sounds like all the roads will be cyclist only, but I can't see them shutting down the non-expressway roads.

The 1% appears to be the final km, where he says that we're on the shoulder.
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somers515 wrote:
Also does anyone have a video showing the bike course route? Or even a map that better shows how the loops work then the official map?

I was confused as hell looking at the maps they have on the website, so I made a strava route based on the turn by turn directions.

Bike: https://www.strava.com/routes/10463906
Run: https://www.strava.com/routes/10464018

It's really 3 loops - 2.5 loops is a bit of a stretch by anyone's estimation. My math says that this is going to get super crowded fast. If we assume all athletes are on the course at once, then we have 2500 athletes on 30km of roadway.

That's one athlete per 12m...

Not only that, consider that the nature of the rolling start is likely to make this madness worse. Self seeding athletes who swim well are more likely to start before people who are slower swimmers and riders, then those FOP swimmers can very often ride fast...you get it. Massive congestion, probably mass drafting, and really dangerous passing starting very early in the race. The fastest athletes will be hitting the slowest athletes just as those slowest, least experienced riders are starting their ride.

These other issues with the rumble strips and some cones on the major expressway are just going to make everything even harder and more dangerous

I have been known to go outside the cones to pass when left with no other option but to sit back there slowed to 18 mph screaming at some of these people. I'm not sorry about that either because I'm there to race. Of course experienced athletes are going to do everything they can to not hit someone, but it's not that black and white. The object of the game is to get from T2 to T3 as fast as possible and there are going to be some choices to make in terms of how much you are willing to risk laying your bike down on the expressway by trying to bunny hop some rumble strip while passing someone who is swerving and eating a sandwich.

And the numbers don't lie -- this three loop structure is a problem. I honestly think it's borderline negligent and I would be shocked if no one is badly hurt. Then if there is a fatality on account of this nonsense I guess the family of the deceased is shit out of luck because of that waiver we are compelled to sign at registration.
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I don't even think its just a problem for the front of the pack guys. I'm fully expecting to lap people, and I'm a middle of the pack swimmer with a half decent bike.

My other concern is the confusing layout. There's invariably someone who's going to "miss a loop" - All I can say is that there better be timing mats at both ends.
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I guess the family of the deceased is shit out of luck because of that waiver we are compelled to sign at registration

He's marketing the bike course as 99% closed which anyone who has raced there before knows is most likely a blatant lie. If someone gets hurt on the expressway or worse I'd think they'd still be able to sue.

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Late night we all got an email from the race director with information for the race. I noticed that it said there were 30 slots to Worlds. I confirmed on the Ironman web site that it also said 30. I could have swore that for the last year everything I've seen about this race said it had 50 slots. I send and email to the race director, after pretending not to understand my question for 2 email exchanges they finally admitted that it has been advertised as 50 for the 12 months leading up to the event this weekend.

This is classic bait and switch. First it was a 1 loop bike course that turned into 2.5. Now its 30 slots instead of 50.
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Late night we all got an email from the race director with information for the race. I noticed that it said there were 30 slots to Worlds. I confirmed on the Ironman web site that it also said 30. I could have swore that for the last year everything I've seen about this race said it had 50 slots. I send and email to the race director, after pretending not to understand my question for 2 email exchanges they finally admitted that it has been advertised as 50 for the 12 months leading up to the event this weekend.

This is classic bait and switch. First it was a 1 loop bike course that turned into 2.5. Now its 30 slots instead of 50.

Here is the WayBack Machine snapshot from January 2017 and June 2017. So it said 50 as recently as June. I'd be pissed if I was looking for a slot too.

Race fast in the historic shore resort of Atlantic City, a flat and scenic course through vineyards, state forests and on the iconic Boardwalk, with sun, sand, casinos and amusements for the entire family.
The easily accessible, historic seaside resort of Atlantic City is home to world-class sports, cultural and entertainment events. With its world-famous Boardwalk, luxury hotels and stunning beaches, athletes, friends and family can expect to experience the best of what Absecon Island has to offer including casinos, shopping, dining, and entertainment against a stunning backdrop of sea, sun, and sand.
The race begins at sunrise with a 1.2-mile sheltered swim in the beautiful back bays of Atlantic City. Framed by the Atlantic City skyline, spectators may view the entire swim course from the shore. The single-loop bike course is 56 flat and fast miles through vineyards, state forests, riverside towns, and a portion of the Atlantic City Expressway, which athletes will ride without traffic (and toll-free!). Finally, the 13.1-mile run course features striking views of the Atlantic Ocean on the world-famous Atlantic City Boardwalk, a one-of-a-kind race experience for both athletes and spectators.
IRONMAN 70.3 Atlantic City offers 50 qualifying slots for the 2018 IRONMAN 70.3 World Championship in Nelson Mandela Bay, South Africa.
Race this flat and fast course through the Classic Jersey Shore resort of Atlantic City and it's surrounding communities. Athletes will love the 99% closed bike course and run on the iconic Atlantic City Boardwalk, with sun, sand, casinos and amusements for the entire family.
The easily accessible, historic seaside resort of Atlantic City is home to world-class sports, cultural and entertainment events. With its world-famous Boardwalk, luxury hotels and stunning beaches, athletes, friends and family can expect to experience the best of what Absecon Island has to offer including casinos, shopping, dining, and entertainment against a stunning backdrop of sea, sun, and sand.
The race begins at sunrise with a 1.2-mile sheltered swim in the beautiful back bays of Atlantic City. Framed by the Atlantic City skyline, spectators may view the entire swim course from the shore. This 2.5x loop bike course will be 99% closed to vehicular traffic and will take athletes INTO Atlantic City via the Atlantic City Expressway, which athletes will ride toll-free! Finally, the 13.1-mile run course features striking views of the Atlantic Ocean on the world-famous Atlantic City Boardwalk, a one-of-a-kind race experience for both athletes and spectators.
IRONMAN 70.3 Atlantic City offers 50 qualifying slots for the 2018 IRONMAN 70.3 World Championship in Nelson Mandela Bay, South Africa.

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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks. I knew I wasn't crazy! Is this common place? Meaning, changing the number of slots this close to the event? It wasn't the primary factor, but the 50 slots was definitely one of the deciding factors for making this my end of season race. I really thought with an extra slot in my age group I might be able to get one.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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I am also disappointed in the new bike course and now only offering 30 slots to Worlds. One of the reasons I signed up was due to the originally offered 50 slots. The 50 slots was referenced on both the Ironman and Delmosports sites. Is it even worth bring it to the attention to Ironman/WTC? The local race director will have no say, but would be curious what Ironman/WTC would reply with?
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I am also disappointed in the new bike course and now only offering 30 slots to Worlds. One of the reasons I signed up was due to the originally offered 50 slots. The 50 slots was referenced on both the Ironman and Delmosports sites. Is it even worth bring it to the attention to Ironman/WTC? The local race director will have no say, but would be curious what Ironman/WTC would reply with?


All the emails for the event over the last 12 months come from DelmoSport. Why let him off the hook so easily? He is our interface to WTC. He should explain. This is not a race director that functions behind the scenes like some I know. He goes out of the way to make himself the face of this race. Constantly posting videos of himself on Facebook. Constantly posting about how he lives for just one thing, to put on the best races on the east coast. You can't have it both ways. He should explain what the story is.
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We could ask at the athlete briefings where he would have to explain it in front of everyone. I'm not sure what that would accomplish though other than putting him through it.

I'd like to pretend that the extra 20 slots gave me a realistic shot, but not really... if I was on the bubble I'd be mad.

It is what it is though. The best thing to do is probably write an honest review once everything is said and done, the good and the bad.
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I am not trying to let him off the hook. I am not one of the super fans of the RD and thinks he walks on water. I just know at times he goes "It is what it is" and throws his hands up. Also, the RD is going to be busy this week making sure everything is setup, so I doubt he will be on the phone with WTC speaking about how people have emailed him about the change in available slots.
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You don't think it's possible that he's reading this? Or that someone on his staff or someone he knows involved with triathlon is reading this and telling him? He ought to come on SlowTwitch and explain right here.
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You don't think it's possible that he's reading this? Or that someone on his staff or someone he knows involved with triathlon is reading this and telling him? He ought to come on SlowTwitch and explain right here.

I'd post your question on the Atlantic City 70.3 Facebook page. I've seen lots of questions answered there. I'm curious for the response. I'd be surprised if it was the RD's idea to have less slots then originally advertised.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [somers515] [ In reply to ]
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Trying to get caught up on everything...

everybody is going to die.
nobody is going to worlds.
next week we can talk about whether people soft-pedaled and waited for the casino bus to blow by to catch a draft on the expressway.

...anything else? Looking forward to racing. weather looks good (at least as of now).
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dand wrote:
Trying to get caught up on everything...

everybody is going to die.
nobody is going to worlds.
next week we can talk about whether people soft-pedaled and waited for the casino bus to blow by to catch a draft on the expressway.

...anything else? Looking forward to racing. weather looks good (at least as of now).

So what? We're not allowed to discuss this? You're above it all? I think you missed telling us these are first world problems and to get over it.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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geez.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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We could ask at the athlete briefings where he would have to explain it in front of everyone. I'm not sure what that would accomplish though other than putting him through it.

I'd like to pretend that the extra 20 slots gave me a realistic shot, but not really... if I was on the bubble I'd be mad.

It is what it is though. The best thing to do is probably write an honest review once everything is said and done, the good and the bad.

I've been through multiple Delmo races and athlete meetings. He will answer questions. However, having no inside knowledge at all, I doubt this was something that was a typo and I assume thought went into this so I doubt yelling and screaming at this point will change it.

Yes, I think there should be an explanation and I ding Delmo for not being more upfront.

From an athlete's mental perspective, if I was doing this race, the last thing I'd be thinking about and spending energy on now is this. I know people could be pissed, and bait and switch, etc. But, if you are going to race, you need to get in race mode. If you miss by 1 spot, get pissed. Until then, focus on your race.

If you had a shot at a spot you need to race for it now. I guarantee if you keep the "what if" thoughts in your mind, when you hit the pain on the ACX or at mile 9 on the run, you'll commence an unrecoverable pity party.

Don't beat yourself before you hit the line.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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What is the prize purse on this race?
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [DJRed] [ In reply to ]
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Looks like one of us here may have posted on the Facebook page. So far no response from RD, and I'm not holding my breath that he's going to address it. Probably hoping the issue will just go away.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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Someone posted on the question on the Facebook page, saying they had emailed Delmo. The response they got was Ironman had confirmed to them it was 30 slots, not 50. I'm sure it will come up at the briefing though... whether by them getting out in front or someone asking.

I'm betting that with the location of World's, it'll probably roll more spots than it did for Chattanooga... so who knows how many people or how deep in the field it will have an impact on.

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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [Tatonka] [ In reply to ]
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The possibility of a deeper roll down is what makes the extra slots all that much more important. For example...if someone is only 33% likely to accept a slot to South Africa that means that a 5-7th place finish with 50 slots is just as good as a 2-4th place finish in a race with only 30 spots.


Tatonka wrote:
Someone posted on the question on the Facebook page, saying they had emailed Delmo. The response they got was Ironman had confirmed to them it was 30 slots, not 50. I'm sure it will come up at the briefing though... whether by them getting out in front or someone asking.

I'm betting that with the location of World's, it'll probably roll more spots than it did for Chattanooga... so who knows how many people or how deep in the field it will have an impact on.
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Won't have the swim issues. The new course avoids the section of the bay prone to that.

Has there been anything in these Facebook videos about the water temperature?
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Won't have the swim issues. The new course avoids the section of the bay prone to that.


Has there been anything in these Facebook videos about the water temperature?

71.8 degrees as of twenty minutes ago. Probably the same race day given the temps the next few days.

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vitalstatistix wrote:
Has there been anything in these Facebook videos about the water temperature?

71.8 degrees as of twenty minutes ago. Probably the same race day given the temps the next few days.


Thank you.
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vitalstatistix wrote:
Tatonka wrote:
vitalstatistix wrote:
Has there been anything in these Facebook videos about the water temperature?

71.8 degrees as of twenty minutes ago. Probably the same race day given the temps the next few days.


Thank you.


Don't go off Ocean temp, it's a bit different in the bay. Here's a link to the bay temperature to see it as we get closer.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/...in_date&end_date

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Tatonka wrote:
vitalstatistix wrote:
Tatonka wrote:
vitalstatistix wrote:
Has there been anything in these Facebook videos about the water temperature?

71.8 degrees as of twenty minutes ago. Probably the same race day given the temps the next few days.


Thank you.


Don't go off Ocean temp, it's a bit different in the bay. Here's a link to the bay temperature to see it as we get closer.

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/...in_date&end_date

Looks like its between 71-73 degrees in the bay -- with temps not going above 78 high over next few days I cant imagine a non-wetsuit swim
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Congratulations to everyone at IM AC 70.3 today! The weather looks like it was good and from the videos I saw online it looked like fun. After everyone is done celebrating don't forget to post to slowtwitch and let us know how it went. I'm curious to hear if you felt the 2.5 lap bike course was too crowded. Thanks!
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Congratulations to Kileyay, a ST user.

He like, won.
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I did my second AC 70.3 today and I have done the AC Olympic 2x. Both events this year went way smoother than last year. The morning parking fiasco of last year was rectified. The swim course seemed to me to be just fine. I had ZERO problems with blocking or overcrowding on the bike course and I went out at the beginning of the 36-45 minute swim wave. There were more than enough volunteers at every aid station and the Boardwalk run had a subtle barrier that dissuaded people from wandering into the running lane.

I write all of this as I am still trying to figure out how I did a personal worst at the 70.3 distance, I wish I could blame it on the course but more likely it was the Rasta Pasta from the Rainforest Cafe I had the night before ... I will go back and try my luck again ( see what I did there?)
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somers515 wrote:
Congratulations to everyone at IM AC 70.3 today! The weather looks like it was good and from the videos I saw online it looked like fun. After everyone is done celebrating don't forget to post to slowtwitch and let us know how it went. I'm curious to hear if you felt the 2.5 lap bike course was too crowded. Thanks!


I averaged a bit under 22MPH, and it was only crowded in some spots on the 2nd and 3rd loop. Otherwise was pretty clear. Apparently lots of penalties were handed out - which is a good thing. Only complaint is that you had no option but to go over rumble strips about 3x per lap. I launched 2 bottles that way. The swim wasn't great. Water was kinda dirty and it felt very crowded. It was also a bit longer. Most of my friends had about ~2,350 yards. Run wasn't bad, but lack of shade was kinda tough.

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I was nervous about the 2.5 laps but it was great. In my opinion it was even better than the Olympic race there 6 weeks ago.
I came off the bike 5th so i passed many people all without any issues. Apparently people got the message about staying right .

Overall the race was run extremely well. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

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Kiley's a fast dude.

It was all good -- agreed, the bike was not bad at all. A few funky spots and people riding too far left too long (and a yard sale of bottles all over the course), but people were pretty well spread out. Was nice to have cloud cover for the bike and a good deal of the run.
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I was nervous about the 2.5 laps but it was great. In my opinion it was even better than the Olympic race there 6 weeks ago.
I q1 off the bike 5th so i passed many people all without any issues. Apparently people got the message about staying right .

Overall the race was run extremely well. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

I thought the bike was horribly dangerous. There were so many bottles on the ground and you had to watch for them twice. At least in a single loop course you only have who worry about bottle launches from people in front of you. Here you needed to deal with it from people behind you since you would encounter them on the second loop. I won't do this race again.
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Congrats to Kiley.

Was the course 99% closed to traffic ?

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I was surprised at how the bike course thinned out. Second loop was a semi mess. A few riders didn't move over right away and one individual had some choice language as I went by. By the time the 3rd (or 2.5) lap came around I thought it was much more manageable. I was surprised at all the flat tires. Plus, there seemed to be some nasty falls. Not sure if it is typical for first timers and I don't typically see them since I have never raced a 2.5 lap bike course, but there were a lot of people either on the side of the road or laid out on the road.
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Now here is the information everyone wants.... Roll Down!
They called out names of 1st-5th place, then after that called up anyone that wanted the slot and fastest individuals got the slot.

F 18-24 1 slot, 1st
F 25-29 1 slot, 2nd
F 30-34 added 1 slot, 2nd slot reassigned, 1st, 2nd
F 35-39 added 1 slot, 2nd slot reassigned, 1st, 3rd
F 40-44 2 slots, 4th, Over 5th
F 45-49 2 slots, 1st, 5th
F 50-54 1 slot, Over 5th
F 55-60 1 slot, 1st place
F 61-64 1 slot, 2nd place
F 65-69 reallocated
F 70-74 reallocated

M 18-24 1 slot, 1st
M 25-29 1 slot, 2nd
M 30-34 2 slots, 3rd, 5th
M 35-39 2 slots, 4th, Over 5th
M 40-44 2 slots, 3rd, Over 5th
M 45-49 3 slots, 1st, 2nd, Over 5th
M 50-54 2 slots, 1st, 2nd
M 55-59 1 slot, 1st
M 60-64 1 slot, 2nd
M 65-69 1 slot, 2nd
M 70-74 1 slot, 2nd
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [wincrewser] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks for posting!

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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [wincrewser] [ In reply to ]
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Agreed on the second loop... I was riding mid 23 mph and the start of the 2nd loop was a disaster. definitely was not a "safe" feeling.
I wound up flatting coming off the expressway, and there were suddenly some lapped people on my back wheel, complaining as I was slowing down.

I wound up pulling out so i didnt get to see the thinned out third loop, but 2nd loop was a bit nuts, for sure.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [wincrewser] [ In reply to ]
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Looking at the M30-34 age group...are you telling us that the overall winner and the 2nd place finisher declined slots to IMWC 70.3?

Also, the 3rd place finisher was in the 35-39 age group. Did they also decline?



wincrewser wrote:
Now here is the information everyone wants.... Roll Down!
They called out names of 1st-5th place, then after that called up anyone that wanted the slot and fastest individuals got the slot.

F 18-24 1 slot, 1st
F 25-29 1 slot, 2nd
F 30-34 added 1 slot, 2nd slot reassigned, 1st, 2nd
F 35-39 added 1 slot, 2nd slot reassigned, 1st, 3rd
F 40-44 2 slots, 4th, Over 5th
F 45-49 2 slots, 1st, 5th
F 50-54 1 slot, Over 5th
F 55-60 1 slot, 1st place
F 61-64 1 slot, 2nd place
F 65-69 reallocated
F 70-74 reallocated

M 18-24 1 slot, 1st
M 25-29 1 slot, 2nd
M 30-34 2 slots, 3rd, 5th
M 35-39 2 slots, 4th, Over 5th
M 40-44 2 slots, 3rd, Over 5th
M 45-49 3 slots, 1st, 2nd, Over 5th
M 50-54 2 slots, 1st, 2nd
M 55-59 1 slot, 1st
M 60-64 1 slot, 2nd
M 65-69 1 slot, 2nd
M 70-74 1 slot, 2nd
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [LifeTri] [ In reply to ]
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I would not be surprised if Kiley (OA winner) declined.

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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [dcohen24] [ In reply to ]
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I thought the swim was long -- even for my non-straight swimming standards. Had one of my worst times in recent memory. Wonder if a tide was at play too.

Bike was rough at parts and I launched a bottle (without realizing it). I had a decent split (nearly 21mph) but also my garmin read 57 miles! Did anyone else have a long ride?

Run was tough bc the clouds decided to part for about 1.5 hours for the run and made it way hotter than anticipated. With my lost bottle I was definitely behind hydration. Also my watch read a few tenths of a mile longer for the half marathon. So all 3 disciplines were a little long.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [holograham] [ In reply to ]
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Check the delmo app.
They flat out say the course was 57.4 and 12.9 for the run
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [somers515] [ In reply to ]
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I did the race and thought it was great. All the talk about potential for problems on the bike course had me a bit nervous, but it was way better than I feared. First loop was a breeze, and even on the other loops, I can only remember maybe 2 occasions where I had to sit up and wait a moment before I could make a pass. I thought the congestion and frustration was way more manageable than at Eagleman, which is the only 70.3 I can compare this too. Swim was fine, if a bit long, and run course was great, although the lack of shade hurts a bit when the sun is beating down like yesterday.
One reason the bike course was way better than expected was there were under 2000 racers. I know injuries and other conflicts can get in the way, but there were ~500 DNS. Is that normal for ~20% of the registrants to not show up?
I really enjoyed this race and have every intention of returning next year.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [holograham] [ In reply to ]
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Big congrats to Kiley. Heck of a race.


My swim recorded a bit long, but doesn't really matter to me. We all swam the same, my mindset anyway,

Everyone's run measured different. That pier run around mile 9, I lost GPS almost immediately, and I recorded 13.45 running, while some had 12.9.

I didn't really have any issues with the bike course. There were a few congested spots, but I navigated them easily enough and from where I was, people were staying to the right. As a person who swims slowly relative to my bike speed, I was in a position where I was pretty much surrounded by slower cyclists. The course officials were handling drafting, but I did see them pegging a few people right outside the aid station, which I thought was more congestion than drafting in that particular spot.

Compared to last year I thought the race was better by a factor of ten. No parking and swim issues. The bike course is what it is. It was plenty fast (a little boring), but I never thought anything was unsafe (at least from where I was riding).

The experience will have me back there next year for round three.

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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [LifeTri] [ In reply to ]
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I was 2nd and turned it down. No interest in going. Great job out there kiley. Looking at my run splits you got me moving again towards the end.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [njsurfer85] [ In reply to ]
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looks like you weren't too shabby out there yourself. Nice race !

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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [njsurfer85] [ In reply to ]
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njsurfer85 wrote:
I was 2nd and turned it down. No interest in going. Great job out there kiley. Looking at my run splits you got me moving again towards the end.

I was out doing my long run on the boards ahead of you guys. You both were looking strong around mile 9/10! Nice work!
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [g_lev] [ In reply to ]
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this is as close to a hometown race as it gets for me, and glad to see that things are trending in the right direction with the race logistics. When you think about it, it really is a tough destination to pull this off

Delmo once told me he's stubborn enough to work on it until he perfects it...seems like he's getting there.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [dobrie10] [ In reply to ]
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so I only did the bike as a relay team but my Garmin said 57.1. I thought the ride was good, no problems launching bottles but the rumbles strips were annoying and there were water bottles all over the place and not just there but all over the entire course. It was a little crowded and my 20mph was enough that I was passing people far more than I was passed...never really felt dangerous but it was crowded and a few times I was on the left of three wide and flirted with a few cone collisions...I would do it again but it might be a year or so before I'm ready for all three legs. Until then I'll stick to sprint and olympic...

My wife did the run leg and it was very hot by then. Quite a few runners did not look so good when I saw them go by at mile 8 and then again at the finish.


Kyle
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [somers515] [ In reply to ]
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Swim was nice and easy with roll start. Sucks if your trying to race head to head but if your spouse is on the delmo app it was really accurate and she was yelling good positions to me. Bike again was nice and easy...2nd loop got busy but I was surprised that most stayed right and when you yelled on your left they moved. Run...cool to begin and then the dreaded sun showed up. This is a well run race and I would easily say race it again. Beach board walk run was my highlight.

Rolldown: most where being taken 1-5 with some moving into higher than 5th (basically who is here with lowest time). I was surprised seeing most 1-5 take it given the expense to go to SA.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [cobragolf79] [ In reply to ]
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I'll add to the list
- Bike wasn't as bad as I had thought. On the send loop I was passing people at quite a difference in speed, but since most people were fully to the right it wasn't a big deal. 3rd loop was a bit harder to pass I found, since there were more people and passing groups took longer due to the closer speed differential. Only a few times, and mostly on turns where I had to slow down, and even then for a few secs.
- Bike was long. This became an issue for me as I flatted at 88k. Do I run in or fix? I ended up going in on the flat tire but since the course was 92k it may have mattered.
- Run on the board walk was short, though I'd have rather gone further into Ventnor than do the airstrip loop. Running on the board walk was great!
- I stayed at Ballys and they nickle and dime you. So FYI. $13 for internet? Also the room was a little dirty.

The biggest thing was the lack of organization for the self seeded swim. For some reason they had all the sign holders standing beside each other, all they had to do was spread them out a bit. In the end, I just jumped in ahead of where I legitimately should be since it was a bit chaotic.

Other than that, is have no issues recommending.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [timbasile] [ In reply to ]
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I was over in the US from the UK for the 70.3 Worlds and backed it up with this race too. I thought it was great but that's probably because I had the best race of tri career there.

I won the 40-44 AG and was 4th overall. A few sketchy moments on the bike and a very lonely run, but otherwise a great event.

I didn't hang around for the slot allocation, so hope the slot rolled down to a good home!
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [uk_bloke] [ In reply to ]
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Congrats!
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 - congrats! [ninagski] [ In reply to ]
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Pretty cool highlight video from the race..... and (~4:30) you get to see Kileyay break the tape ;-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNJgKPKgDac
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [RallySavage] [ In reply to ]
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... As you can see, I'm rarely on Slowtwitch. However, to honestly answer your question via slots for worlds I'll give you 100% honesty.

As some may know, IMAC 70.3 is a licensed event, meaning WTC does not own it. We, DelMoSports, handle all aspects of this event...from creating the athlete guide, to getting permits, volunteers, answering emails and every other possible thing you can think of to execute a world class triathlon. Now, what WTC does do is assist us with resources (IM Supply trailers, etc...). IMAC 70.3 2016 had 50 slots to worlds. We thought we were getting 50 for 2017. A few weeks prior to the event we were informed we would only have 30 slots. This was after the athlete guide was sent. It's 100% my responsibility to have that information correct and I didn't. Please note: In the US, there are only 4 licensed events and WTC is constantly working on streamlining their processes to keep us, licensees informed and running smoothly. It's an evolving and getting better daily.

That's it. That's the truth. I hope all is well and all are healthy and having a great season. Hopefully, I'll see you at the races. Don't hesitate to stop and say hello or give me an earful of how to get better, either way it's something to learn from.
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Re: IM AC 70.3 - 2017 [delmosports] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks Delmo. When are you making it a full IM?
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