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New Netflix series, just watched the first episode and thought it was really good. Looks very promising. Starts out slow for about 15 minutes and then the shit gets real in a hurry.
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Thought about starting it tonight. I'll give it a shot.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Thought about starting it tonight. I'll give it a shot.

I'm on episode 3 will probably burn through this weekend

Its above average right now; not great but above average.
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It might be interesting. Certainly better than "Glow" which I struggled through despite being a casual "fan" back in the 1980's.
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Re: Ozark [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]
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Watched episode 1 last night. I enjoyed it.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Agreed

2-3 a little slow. 4 good again. On 5 now

Early but promising
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This is next after Last Chance U
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Re: Ozark [ironmayb] [ In reply to ]
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Episode 7 - Come on! Everyone who has ever worn one knows it is virtually impossible to drown while wearing a wetsuit. You sure as shit are not going to sink to the bottom of the lake, even if you wanted to.

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Started this week, good enough to give it a shot.
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Lol. I thought the same thing.

Just finished last night. Overall good. Set up for another season. I will continue
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Episode 7 - Come on! Everyone who has ever worn one knows it is virtually impossible to drown while wearing a wetsuit. You sure as shit are not going to sink to the bottom of the lake, even if you wanted to.

You can't let shit like that bother you or you'll never enjoy anything.

That's what I kept telling myself through the latest Planet of the Apes movie.
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Episode 7 - Come on! Everyone who has ever worn one knows it is virtually impossible to drown while wearing a wetsuit. You sure as shit are not going to sink to the bottom of the lake, even if you wanted to.

You can't let shit like that bother you or you'll never enjoy anything.

That's what I kept telling myself through the latest Planet of the Apes movie.

I disagree. I am willing to suspend belief but that scene was dumb and added nothing to the ending of the show. She is an experienced swimmer in a wetsuit. What happened? She got disoriented? Why? How? She sinks to the bottom of the lake? Why? Then she snaps out of it while sutting at the bottom??? Why put her in a wetsuit? More importantly, why do any of the scene? It made no sense and added nothing to the ending of the episode.

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Episode 7 - Come on! Everyone who has ever worn one knows it is virtually impossible to drown while wearing a wetsuit. You sure as shit are not going to sink to the bottom of the lake, even if you wanted to.


You can't let shit like that bother you or you'll never enjoy anything.

That's what I kept telling myself through the latest Planet of the Apes movie.


I disagree. I am willing to suspend belief but that scene was dumb and added nothing to the ending of the show. She is an experienced swimmer in a wetsuit. What happened? She got disoriented? Why? How? She sinks to the bottom of the lake? Why? Then she snaps out of it while sutting at the bottom??? Why put her in a wetsuit? More importantly, why do any of the scene? It made no sense and added nothing to the ending of the episode.

I don't disagree. I just watched the episode last night. Seemed like the whole point of it was the kids are "drowning" as the parents are leading their life into the shitter.

But the swim scene itself made no sense.
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JSA wrote:
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JSA wrote:
Episode 7 - Come on! Everyone who has ever worn one knows it is virtually impossible to drown while wearing a wetsuit. You sure as shit are not going to sink to the bottom of the lake, even if you wanted to.


You can't let shit like that bother you or you'll never enjoy anything.

That's what I kept telling myself through the latest Planet of the Apes movie.


I disagree. I am willing to suspend belief but that scene was dumb and added nothing to the ending of the show. She is an experienced swimmer in a wetsuit. What happened? She got disoriented? Why? How? She sinks to the bottom of the lake? Why? Then she snaps out of it while sutting at the bottom??? Why put her in a wetsuit? More importantly, why do any of the scene? It made no sense and added nothing to the ending of the episode.

I don't disagree. I just watched the episode last night. Seemed like the whole point of it was the kids are "drowning" as the parents are leading their life into the shitter.

But the swim scene itself made no sense.

I agree it made little sense. I think she was role playing a suicide.
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My position on movies/tv is that I am wholly capable of suspending all disbelief for a good story. But, a good story demands good writing. To that end, every story gets to set its own "rules." But, once set, the rules have to be adhered to throughout the story. Anything less is sloppy writing.

So, what are the "rules" in Ozark? Well, a few things we know for certain: 1) the parents realize they are in danger, 2) the parents realize the kids are at risk, 3) the parents are committed to protecting the kids, 4) the parents are over-protective at times, and 5) the parents worry about the kids a lot.

So, what happened in this episode?

1) Wife gets a visit from drug boss's enforcer who mentions the kids by name and the school they attend.
2) Daughter runs away and freaks out parents.
3) Marty is adamant that Charlotte cannot go to live in Chicago and needs to be close.
4) Bird runs afoul of Snell adding a new threat to the family.

In light of all of that, Marty tells Charlotte - yeah, go ahead and swim by yourself at night! Go for it!

Really??? Most likely, all of us have done a lot of open water swimming. Many have done IM training and racing. So, we can handle ourselves in open water. What are the two primary rules for open water swimming? 1. Don't swim alone. 2. Don't swim at night (without significant safeguards at least).

In light of all that happened that day, the parents tell Charlotte to go ahead and swim alone in the dark. Really???

Now - if it added to the episode or scene, ok, take a little liberty. But, it didn't. Instead of saying - what a great episode! I am focused on the needless and ridiculous aspect of the final scene.

Follow you own rules!

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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JSA wrote:
My position on movies/tv is that I am wholly capable of suspending all disbelief for a good story. But, a good story demands good writing. To that end, every story gets to set its own "rules." But, once set, the rules have to be adhered to throughout the story. Anything less is sloppy writing.

Yet, you managed to stick with 'Fear The Walking Dead' longer then I think anyone else on this forum!

Long Chile was a silly place.
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wish I hadn't watched the trailer before I watched the show. Made the realtor and his mom's fight less surprising......

Overall I am satisfied. Especially the manner in which people die.

Just enough hint of "justified" to make me nostalgic.
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BCtriguy1 wrote:
JSA wrote:
My position on movies/tv is that I am wholly capable of suspending all disbelief for a good story. But, a good story demands good writing. To that end, every story gets to set its own "rules." But, once set, the rules have to be adhered to throughout the story. Anything less is sloppy writing.


Yet, you managed to stick with 'Fear The Walking Dead' longer then I think anyone else on this forum!

My gawd that show is awful! If you go back to that thread, the failure to adhere to their own rules was one of my biggest gripes.

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In light of all of that, Marty tells Charlotte - yeah, go ahead and swim by yourself at night! Go for it!

I was expecting her to nearly get run down by a boat as they warned her about swimming out past the first buoy because of that danger in a previous scene and then they showed her swimming past one.
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ThisIsIt wrote:
JSA wrote:

In light of all of that, Marty tells Charlotte - yeah, go ahead and swim by yourself at night! Go for it!


I was expecting her to nearly get run down by a boat as they warned her about swimming out past the first buoy because of that danger in a previous scene and then they showed her swimming past one.

That's exactly what I thought. Or I thought she might be snatched from the water, which I thought was possible, but not likely.

It would have been an interesting twist if the pastor got drunk and clipped her in his boat.

But, what actually happened made no sense at all.

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Episode 9 - come on! What kind of commie liberal bullshit is that???

Special needs kid goes into a "Walmart" and buys a Ruger Mini 14 and gets it, after checking the box that he is buying for someone else. If that wasn't bad enough, the Mini 14 magically becomes full auto when the son shoots it???????

Then a fed cracks a guy with a beer bottle in a crowded bar, draws his gun, and shoots the tv??????????

That's son serious anti gun propaganda in that episode!

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Episode 9 - come on! What kind of commie liberal bullshit is that???

Special needs kid goes into a "Walmart" and buys a Ruger Mini 14 and gets it, after checking the box that he is buying for someone else. If that wasn't bad enough, the Mini 14 magically becomes full auto when the son shoots it???????

Then a fed cracks a guy with a beer bottle in a crowded bar, draws his gun, and shoots the tv??????????

That's son serious anti gun propaganda in that episode![/quot

Dock death was cool tho
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SPOILER ALERT, don't read past here if you don't want my opinion of JSA's posts.














So should I be mad that you spoiled the show for me, or thankful that I won't waste time watching it?

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Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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Good show. Yes lots of things that didn't make sense. Wetsuit scene (what was the purpose of that scene anyway?); automatic weapons at the super mart, and a number of others. But overall, good suspense and a number of interesting characters.

BUT JSA, you did spoil it for me. Every time Laura Linney was in bad lighting, I was thinking, "JSA was right." So I was thinking of you way too much during the show. The age really showed in the flashback episode. But I still like her.

For fans of Ozark, I raise you Magic City on Netflix. It stars, I think, that guy with the bat on TWD, but he's great on Magic City, loved him.

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Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.

Something bugs me about Laura Linney. I think it's that she overacts or something, her face is way too expressive. It's like she's trying to be so dramatic in every scene.

On a side note, anyone remember when series didn't kill off main characters at an staggering rate?
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I thought the ending was really anticlimactic.
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JSA wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
JSA wrote:

In light of all of that, Marty tells Charlotte - yeah, go ahead and swim by yourself at night! Go for it!


I was expecting her to nearly get run down by a boat as they warned her about swimming out past the first buoy because of that danger in a previous scene and then they showed her swimming past one.


That's exactly what I thought. Or I thought she might be snatched from the water, which I thought was possible, but not likely.

It would have been an interesting twist if the pastor got drunk and clipped her in his boat.

But, what actually happened made no sense at all.

I was expecting her to get electrocuted coming up on the dock. But as you pointed out, I told my wife, she has a wet suit on, she isn't sinking.

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Episode 9 - come on! What kind of commie liberal bullshit is that???

Special needs kid goes into a "Walmart" and buys a Ruger Mini 14 and gets it, after checking the box that he is buying for someone else. If that wasn't bad enough, the Mini 14 magically becomes full auto when the son shoots it???????

Then a fed cracks a guy with a beer bottle in a crowded bar, draws his gun, and shoots the tv??????????

That's son serious anti gun propaganda in that episode!

I honestly don't know how easy, or hard it is to get a gun and thought this was really stupid. I asked myself how in the world were they selling a gun to a mentally handicapped individual.

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Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.

She is 5 years older than him according to IMDB. He was born in 69 and her in 64.

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TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.


She is 5 years older than him according to IMDB. He was born in 69 and her in 64.

Yep, I know, which isn't much. But, Bateman is aging really well and looks younger than he is. Something about her mannerisms make her seem older. So, they do not seem to match age-wise.

Linney's character bugs me at times. One moment, she is an absolute train wreck and you want to smack her. The next, she is a criminal mastermind like when she called out the funeral home director and ended up buying the business. I love the criminal mastermind character. Cannot stand the head case.

If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went. - Will Rogers

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JSA wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.


She is 5 years older than him according to IMDB. He was born in 69 and her in 64.

Yep, I know, which isn't much. But, Bateman is aging really well and looks younger than he is. Something about her mannerisms make her seem older. So, they do not seem to match age-wise.

I think women usually start showing their age about a decade before men, so her being 5 years older means she looks about 15 years older.
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Haven't seem the series, but am curious. Any chance it's similar to a Daniel Woodrell story?
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JSA wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.


She is 5 years older than him according to IMDB. He was born in 69 and her in 64.


Yep, I know, which isn't much. But, Bateman is aging really well and looks younger than he is. Something about her mannerisms make her seem older. So, they do not seem to match age-wise.

Linney's character bugs me at times. One moment, she is an absolute train wreck and you want to smack her. The next, she is a criminal mastermind like when she called out the funeral home director and ended up buying the business. I love the criminal mastermind character. Cannot stand the head case.

I agree, I like the criminal mastermind as well. There are some cases where it's like she has multiple personalities when her bad guy kicks in. Overall, I did like the show and I also liked the way it ended.

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AlanShearer wrote:
Haven't seem the series, but am curious. Any chance it's similar to a Daniel Woodrell story?

No idea who that is. It's basically Breaking Bad set in Appalachia; straight family gone bad, drug runners, rednecks and a creepy gay FBI agent who is after them all.
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Woodrel is an author. Most of his stories are based in the Missouri Ozarks. The movie Winter's Bone was based on one of his stories.
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Woodrel is an author. Most of his stories are based in the Missouri Ozarks. The movie Winter's Bone was based on one of his stories.

Not that sophisticated at delving into the hillbilly culture.

I saw that movie and the book is on my list but I haven't read it yet.
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Finished this week, really enjoyed most of the show. Jason B is one of those actors that I never think about and forget how good of an actor he is until his next role pops up.
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I'm at episode 5 season 1, all I can say is this. There are those that you believe are your enemies that are your friends, and there are those that you believe to be your friends that are your true enemies.
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I've watched four episodes and I think I'm gonna call it. Just not a fan. Laura Linney's character is intensely unlikeable. The others are good for the most part, and I like the premise of the show, but so far every episode has been pretty boring. Does that change?
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I had a hard time with Linney's character as well. It definitely picks up the second half of the season. But, if you have been through 4 episodes and think you are going to bail, not sure you will like it. But, I would try one or two more.

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Just finish season 1. I liked it. I was thinking the same thing about the daughter and the wetsuit. Didn't understand why they put that scene in either.

I liked the ending, didn't expect the scene with Del to turn out the way it did. And the scene with the priest and baby. Thought it was going to go different than it did.
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I finished this about a week ago. It reminded me a lot of Bloodline. The storyline is good, there are some decently developed characters, a fair amount of solid acting and then.....they just miss the boat with parts of the story. Part of me wants to say it is good enough for Netflix, but Netflix has set the bar much higher than this before. I feel like this was just a noodles on the wall show to see if it sticks.
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Good show overall, but a couple of points...

As discussed, you don't sink in a wetsuit....

The electrocution was gratuitously gory...

You'd think a guy would at least walk with a limp after the toenail situation. Jason Bateman seems to have one gear as far as his acting goes in that show.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Duffy wrote:
You'd think a guy would at least walk with a limp after the toenail situation.

On TV people have remarkable abilities of recovery, guns that never need to be reloaded, and are able to move bodies around like they have ant-like strength.
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Duffy wrote:
You'd think a guy would at least walk with a limp after the toenail situation.

On TV people have remarkable abilities of recovery, guns that never need to be reloaded, and are able to move bodies around like they have ant-like strength.

Moving bodies is hard work and I actually train for it.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Duffy wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
Duffy wrote:
You'd think a guy would at least walk with a limp after the toenail situation.

On TV people have remarkable abilities of recovery, guns that never need to be reloaded, and are able to move bodies around like they have ant-like strength.

Moving bodies is hard work and I actually train for it.

Season 2 will be released end of August. We just finished season 1. Some minor nitpicking, I'm surprised nobody mentioned the whole distribution of heroin via bibles on the water. Uh. Really? That was dumb.
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Duffy wrote:
ThisIsIt wrote:
Duffy wrote:
You'd think a guy would at least walk with a limp after the toenail situation.

On TV people have remarkable abilities of recovery, guns that never need to be reloaded, and are able to move bodies around like they have ant-like strength.

Moving bodies is hard work and I actually train for it.

Season 2 will be released end of August. We just finished season 1. Some minor nitpicking, I'm surprised nobody mentioned the whole distribution of heroin via bibles on the water. Uh. Really? That was dumb.

It’s filmed here in North Georgia, edge of Bible Belt epicenter. They had to take inspiration somehow.
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Uncle Arqyle wrote:
Duffy wrote:
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Duffy wrote:
You'd think a guy would at least walk with a limp after the toenail situation.


On TV people have remarkable abilities of recovery, guns that never need to be reloaded, and are able to move bodies around like they have ant-like strength.


Moving bodies is hard work and I actually train for it.


Season 2 will be released end of August. We just finished season 1. Some minor nitpicking, I'm surprised nobody mentioned the whole distribution of heroin via bibles on the water. Uh. Really? That was dumb.

Yeah that was a head-scratcher. Who needs a new bible every week?
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Season 2 trailer. Hot damn!

https://www.netflix.com/...p;lkid=TRAILER_WATCH

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Season 1 had plenty of moments of levity. That trailer makes it look like the show's writers are moving in a much darker direction...I'm in.
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Season 1 had plenty of moments of levity. That trailer makes it look like the show's writers are moving in a much darker direction...I'm in.

Wow. S2, E1 is darker. New character really has got down the role of female attorney.

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Not only in mood but filming as well. Every scene it seems is in the dark. Tried to watch an episode this weekend on the covered patio, but couldn't see a thing that was happening. The truck driver messenger scene was the brightest if you can call it that.
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I'm two episodes in, this show just get better and better.

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H- wrote:
alltom1 wrote:
Season 1 had plenty of moments of levity. That trailer makes it look like the show's writers are moving in a much darker direction...I'm in.


Wow. S2, E1 is darker. New character really has got down the role of female attorney.

Finished episode 1 last night. So how did killing Ash make it all right with the cartel that the hillbillies killed Del? I don't get it, are we going to find out they pinned Del's murder on Ash who had gone rogue or something?
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I would keep one open if sleeping over at he Snell's house, Darlene Snell is seriously off her rocker.

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I would keep one open if sleeping over at he Snell's house, Darlene Snell is seriously off her rocker.

Yeah her and the husband seem to be taking the honor culture of the South a little too much to heart.
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JSA wrote:
TheRef65 wrote:
JSA wrote:
Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.


She is 5 years older than him according to IMDB. He was born in 69 and her in 64.


Yep, I know, which isn't much. But, Bateman is aging really well and looks younger than he is. Something about her mannerisms make her seem older. So, they do not seem to match age-wise.

Linney's character bugs me at times. One moment, she is an absolute train wreck and you want to smack her. The next, she is a criminal mastermind like when she called out the funeral home director and ended up buying the business. I love the criminal mastermind character. Cannot stand the head case.

You know what bugs me? Here is a show that is just packed with strong leading female characters -- Wendy Byrde, Charlotte Byrde, Ruth Langmore, Darlene Snell, Helen Mob-Lawyer, and Rachel -- and a guy who goes around on a high horse championing women's rights in other threads (e.g. Catwoman outfit) can see nothing other than a man seems to have married a woman older than him.

I have one episode left. Good season. Had to suspend disbelief a number of times but the drama is good.

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Nothing I have said is integral to the plot. Despite the anti gun bullshit and the ridiculous wetsuit scene, it is a good series. Not the best, but worth the time.

Jason Bateman is awesome. But I cannot shake the feeling that Laura Linney is too old for him.


She is 5 years older than him according to IMDB. He was born in 69 and her in 64.


Yep, I know, which isn't much. But, Bateman is aging really well and looks younger than he is. Something about her mannerisms make her seem older. So, they do not seem to match age-wise.

Linney's character bugs me at times. One moment, she is an absolute train wreck and you want to smack her. The next, she is a criminal mastermind like when she called out the funeral home director and ended up buying the business. I love the criminal mastermind character. Cannot stand the head case.

You know what bugs me? Here is a show that is just packed with strong leading female characters -- Wendy Byrde, Charlotte Byrde, Ruth Langmore, Darlene Snell, Helen Mob-Lawyer, and Rachel -- and a guy who goes around on a high horse championing women's rights in other threads (e.g. Catwoman outfit) can see nothing other than a man seems to have married a woman older than him.

I have one episode left. Good season. Had to suspend disbelief a number of times but the drama is good.

My wife is 8 years older than me. We are a good match. Those two are not.

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We started s2.

Ruth is the best. Darlene is just plain scary.

Only seen mob lawyer once. Cold......

Wendy, just a bit ambivalent about her. Somehow has no problem setting up one guy with a hooker to blackmail his wife but when a guy offs himself it's too much

Darlene and Ruth are consistent
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I finished Season 2.

The actress that plays Ruth is the show standout, really good performance and scripting for her.

On the flip side, the daughter Charlotte's apparent only purpose in the show is to be a consistent brat and agitator to everything around her, no depth, no character arc. Only purpose is to create random drama in the show. It is very bothersome.


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Could not agree with you more about the daughter...horrible character...definitely an afterthought...
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I finished Season 2.

The actress that plays Ruth is the show standout, really good performance and scripting for her.

On the flip side, the daughter Charlotte's apparent only purpose in the show is to be a consistent brat and agitator to everything around her, no depth, no character arc. Only purpose is to create random drama in the show. It is very bothersome.
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Only on Episode 6 of Season 2. Man this series is great!

I'm surprised I have never seen the actress that plays Ruth before. She is simply incredible. Seeing her crumble and be human after the encounter with the cartel was some amazing acting. She is the star.

I think Jason Bateman is simply incredible as well. He is great! I agree regarding Charlotte. I thought she was good in Season 1. I don't know what they are doing with her in Season 2. This isn't a knock on the actress, but, the character. It was like she was an afterthought in Season 2.

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I agree regarding Charlotte. I thought she was good in Season 1. I don't know what they are doing with her in Season 2. This isn't a knock on the actress, but, the character. It was like she was an afterthought in Season 2.

I agree with all the comments regarding Charlotte. However, I found she had one purpose: the dinner table conversation about the book was a great scene.

JSA, I don't think you are at that scene yet and I've tried not to spoil it.

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Batemans wife is getting on my nerves

Rachel is good

Ruth's the best

Both kids annoy me

The cartel lawyer is great

Darlene is terrifying

Jacobs good

The fbi psycho is actually very good

Feel it's a bit like goliath 2.......very difficult to write a strong second season to such a strong first
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The cartel lawyer is brilliant casting.
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Batemans wife is getting on my nerves

Rachel is good

Ruth's the best

Both kids annoy me

The cartel lawyer is great

Darlene is terrifying

Jacobs good

The fbi psycho is actually very good

Feel it's a bit like goliath 2.......very difficult to write a strong second season to such a strong first


I think just the opposite. That guy is horrible. He just isn't able to deliver a believable tough FBI badass role. I think it's bad casting. The whole gay/psycho/obsessed/drug dealing FBI agent thing is just plain weird.

I thought S2 of Ozark was as good as the first, maybe not quite as good, but I attribute that to in the first season, the whole storyline was new to us as an audience. You can't repeat that. Following seasons you kind of get the gist of the situation already, so there is no reveal along those lines. So accounting for that, I think S2 was pretty solid.

If they go for S3 I think to keep it interesting, they'll have to expand the story to a much higher level. It will lose some luster I think if they just rinse and repeat of S2, but with the casino as the background setting instead.

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I finished Season 2.

The actress that plays Ruth is the show standout, really good performance and scripting for her.

On the flip side, the daughter Charlotte's apparent only purpose in the show is to be a consistent brat and agitator to everything around her, no depth, no character arc. Only purpose is to create random drama in the show. It is very bothersome.
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Only on Episode 6 of Season 2. Man this series is great!

I'm surprised I have never seen the actress that plays Ruth before. She is simply incredible. Seeing her crumble and be human after the encounter with the cartel was some amazing acting. She is the star.

I think Jason Bateman is simply incredible as well. He is great! I agree regarding Charlotte. I thought she was good in Season 1. I don't know what they are doing with her in Season 2. This isn't a knock on the actress, but, the character. It was like she was an afterthought in Season 2.


she had a prominent role in The Americans
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I think just the opposite. That guy is horrible. He just isn't able to deliver a believable tough FBI badass role. I think it's bad casting. The whole gay/psycho/obsessed/drug dealing FBI agent thing is just plain weird.

I did not like the character but reflecting upon it agree with Andrewmc. The character was believable in his own weird way. He was not a tough FBI badass, he was a really screwed up guy.

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I don't think he's believable but who the hells believing they're distributing opium in bibles anyway

So my criteria is an actor who is making the most of the role and he is not annoying like batemans wife or daughter
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Oh he is great. Completely hamming it up. Especially his 1:1 with Ruth where he stitches her up
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I don't think he's believable but who the hells believing they're distributing opium in bibles anyway

So my criteria is an actor who is making the most of the role and he is not annoying like batemans wife or daughter

Ha. Fair enough.. The boat/bible delivery thing was a pretty stupid concept all-round.

Speaking of, am I the only one that looked at the poppy field, and thought it was about 100x too small of a plot to provide any material supply of heroin that they seem to be depicting?

I also can see why their poppy field(s) have remained hidden for all these years, what with someone just being able to walk down a gravel road right into it, and you know, a massive big bright red splotch of a field that is visible to anyone flying a plane in the area.

But i'm willing to suspend my disbelief on those pieces.
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Certainly it's a fraction of my fields in the kush
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I'm surprised I have never seen the actress that plays Ruth before. She is simply incredible. Seeing her crumble and be human after the encounter with the cartel was some amazing acting. She is the star.


She played a character in The Americans named Kimmie for a few seasons. She was very good in that role, too.



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I don't think he's believable but who the hells believing they're distributing opium in bibles anyway

So my criteria is an actor who is making the most of the role and he is not annoying like batemans wife or daughter


Ha. Fair enough.. The boat/bible delivery thing was a pretty stupid concept all-round.

Speaking of, am I the only one that looked at the poppy field, and thought it was about 100x too small of a plot to provide any material supply of heroin that they seem to be depicting?

I also can see why their poppy field(s) have remained hidden for all these years, what with someone just being able to walk down a gravel road right into it, and you know, a massive big bright red splotch of a field that is visible to anyone flying a plane in the area.

But i'm willing to suspend my disbelief on those pieces.

I can't recall ever hearing of anyone getting busted for growing poppies for opium. Whereas people get busted for pot all the time. Makes me think the logistics of poppy growing are a lot more challenging.
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I'm a few episodes into season two. My take on some of the characters: I totally disagree WRT Darlene, her character is cold and ruthless but the actress, to me, plays it more frantic and scared and it creates a weird imbalance, at least to me. Are you scared or are you a heartless monster? Both may be fine, but it comes off as weird to me.

Ruth is awesome, she's grown as the show has gone on and you get a great sense of who she is as a person, it's a fantastic character played well by a good actress. Ditto Bateman's role. Linney/Wendy is too inconsistent, as someone else said, it's hard to believe her character but Linney is great per usual. I love Buddy, he's just so believable and real. Jonah and Charlotte just don't do it, I don't think they got the best actors for those roles but they're kinda just there, which is disappointing because you could do so much with the whole family dynamic of this laundering enterprise. Del was awesome, he dripped cartel power. Loving the new lawyer so far. Rachel, i liked her in the beginning but it's weird what they've done with her and now i'm fairly ambivalent, trying to figure her out. The FBI guy is just weird...between him and the heroin-trade-on-a-bible-boat storyline there's some weird stuff in this show but I'm hooked, it's generally very entertaining and unpredictable.
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I'm a few episodes into season two. My take on some of the characters: I totally disagree WRT Darlene, her character is cold and ruthless but the actress, to me, plays it more frantic and scared and it creates a weird imbalance, at least to me. Are you scared or are you a heartless monster? Both may be fine, but it comes off as weird to me.

Just wait. Her fully character development comes out as you go through the episodes and it is quite rewarding.

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Ruth is awesome, she's grown as the show has gone on and you get a great sense of who she is as a person, it's a fantastic character played well by a good actress. Ditto Bateman's role. Linney/Wendy is too inconsistent, as someone else said, it's hard to believe her character but Linney is great per usual. I love Buddy, he's just so believable and real. Jonah and Charlotte just don't do it, I don't think they got the best actors for those roles but they're kinda just there, which is disappointing because you could do so much with the whole family dynamic of this laundering enterprise. Del was awesome, he dripped cartel power. Loving the new lawyer so far. Rachel, i liked her in the beginning but it's weird what they've done with her and now i'm fairly ambivalent, trying to figure her out. The FBI guy is just weird...between him and the heroin-trade-on-a-bible-boat storyline there's some weird stuff in this show but I'm hooked, it's generally very entertaining and unpredictable.

As I watched the final episodes last night, I flipped on my opinion of Linney/Wendy. Much like Darlene, the character fully develops in Season 2. I struggled with her almost dual personality in Season 1. But, she comes through in Season 2.

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I agree regarding Charlotte. I thought she was good in Season 1. I don't know what they are doing with her in Season 2. This isn't a knock on the actress, but, the character. It was like she was an afterthought in Season 2.


I agree with all the comments regarding Charlotte. However, I found she had one purpose: the dinner table conversation about the book was a great scene.

JSA, I don't think you are at that scene yet and I've tried not to spoil it.

So explain the scene you are referring to. I finished Season 2 and don't remember a dinner conversation about a book. PM if you must :). Thanks.

I wasn't sure where S2 was going to go but it turned out great. Ruth and Buddy were fantastic.
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I agree regarding Charlotte. I thought she was good in Season 1. I don't know what they are doing with her in Season 2. This isn't a knock on the actress, but, the character. It was like she was an afterthought in Season 2.


I agree with all the comments regarding Charlotte. However, I found she had one purpose: the dinner table conversation about the book was a great scene.

JSA, I don't think you are at that scene yet and I've tried not to spoil it.


So explain the scene you are referring to. I finished Season 2 and don't remember a dinner conversation about a book. PM if you must :). Thanks.

I wasn't sure where S2 was going to go but it turned out great. Ruth and Buddy were fantastic.

Episode 8 (I'm pretty sure it is 8, might be 7). At the dinner table Charlotte is asked what she did today and she says "I stole a book." That episode and that scene.

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Oh yeah. Thanks. Memory is not what it used to be
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Wendy had a strong finish but she was still, up to episode 9, inconsistent, between histrionics with the threat to the lawyer to stone cold one episode later

Darlene on the other hand was just stone cold

Charlotte was no less annoying

Ruth knocked it out the park

Marty was coming apart like a cheap suit

But it was a strong finish. Better than goliath s2
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Wendy had a strong finish but she was still, up to episode 9, inconsistent, between histrionics with the threat to the lawyer to stone cold one episode later

Darlene on the other hand was just stone cold

Charlotte was no less annoying

Ruth knocked it out the park

Marty was coming apart like a cheap suit

But it was a strong finish. Better than goliath s2

I agree with everything but the highlighted part. As shown by my earlier comments in this thread, I REALLY did not like Wendy in Season 1. I thought the character was written poorly and I thought it was a poor casting choice. I flipped in Season 2. By Episode 3, I was changing my mind. By Episode 6, I had done a complete 180. I thought Wendy was written perfectly and Linny (sp?) was absolutely outstanding. When Episode 10 ended (the finale), I said, out loud, "HO-LY SHIT! WENDY!!"

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Because of this thread, I've been binge-watching Ozark and am half way through Season 2. Great writing, some really good characters, and very unpredictable. I never see what's coming.
Annoying parts - in opening scenes in Chicago when Marty is walking with his private detective in Millennium Park, he is walking in circles. And there would be no reason to be walking in the park unless he wanted to go to the lakefront. There is no purpose for him to be there. Then he drives in circles in downtown Chicago. When Wendy's lover is thrown out the window, they are in downtown Chicago and there is no traffic and no parked cars. Totally unrealistic.
I like how you can buy full-auto rifles in sporting goods stores in Missouri. Should have bought hand grenades and RPGs while they were at it. Heroin production is not practical and has extremely stiff penalties in the US. There's a reason you just don't hear about poppy farms busts in the news. I find it hard to believe Agent Petty would stay employed with the FBI with all his issues. And that he could spend weeks, if not months, hanging out in a motel, fly fishing, sleeping with his CIs, etc.
Aside from that, the other characters are amazing. I've liked and accepted Wendy's character right from the start. The kids are annoying, but remind me of my kids. Buddy and Rachel are good. Ruth is great. I've had the misfortune to know people like the uncles/brothers. I need to get through the rest of this series quickly so I can get back to a regular sleep schedule.
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I agree with everything but the highlighted part. As shown by my earlier comments in this thread, I REALLY did not like Wendy in Season 1. I thought the character was written poorly and I thought it was a poor casting choice. I flipped in Season 2. By Episode 3, I was changing my mind. By Episode 6, I had done a complete 180. I thought Wendy was written perfectly and Linny (sp?) was absolutely outstanding. When Episode 10 ended (the finale), I said, out loud, "HO-LY SHIT! WENDY!!"

I've trolled you a bit about Wendy, but I must say that I had similar reaction. I was meh on Wendy in first season, no strong dislike but no like either. My reaction second season was about like yours.

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I agree with everything but the highlighted part. As shown by my earlier comments in this thread, I REALLY did not like Wendy in Season 1. I thought the character was written poorly and I thought it was a poor casting choice. I flipped in Season 2. By Episode 3, I was changing my mind. By Episode 6, I had done a complete 180. I thought Wendy was written perfectly and Linny (sp?) was absolutely outstanding. When Episode 10 ended (the finale), I said, out loud, "HO-LY SHIT! WENDY!!"

I've trolled you a bit about Wendy, but I must say that I had similar reaction. I was meh on Wendy in first season, no strong dislike but no like either. My reaction second season was about like yours.

I thing that impressed me the most is I found her transformation believable within the context of the show. It wasn’t like the writers said, the character is unlike able so let’s rewrite her. It really seemed like a credible change. The political consultant role was perfect for that. It was like watching a politician become corrupt with power.

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I'm not sold but I can see it. Still felt she was flakey in last two episodes but season 3 holds promise.

Thought the funeral was rubbish. Both their kids annoy me

You definitely need to watch the bodyguard. Have you seen line of duty? Can you get it on Netflix?
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I'm not sold but I can see it. Still felt she was flakey in last two episodes but season 3 holds promise.

Thought the funeral was rubbish. Both their kids annoy me

You definitely need to watch the bodyguard. Have you seen line of duty? Can you get it on Netflix?

Looks like Bodyguard will be on Netflix on Oct 24. Line of Duty is on Netflix. I will have to check it out.

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No one seems to be talking much about Jonah, understandably since his role is pretty small, but I feel like they are setting him up for a big role down the road.

Season 2 Spoiler (do not read if you haven't watched it all):










He was stashing weapons in season 1, and now in season 2, he's basically figured out how to launder money a different way using a fake ID, he could be instrumental if the family ever goes through with Plan B to drop off the face of the earth.




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I'm surprised I have never seen the actress that plays Ruth before. She is simply incredible. Seeing her crumble and be human after the encounter with the cartel was some amazing acting. She is the star.


She played a character in The Americans named Kimmie for a few seasons. She was very good in that role, too.
by pure random coincidence I found myself switching between watching the Americans and Ozark this month, and when Ruth showed up on the Americans its really screwed with me. I knew hre as Ruth first and just have a hard time seeing her as her character on the Americans. She does a good job there, but the role she plays on Ozark is just so well done its hard to see her as a 15 Yo kid with daddy issues. Although now that I type this, I guess Ruth has some daddy issues going on as well!

BTW, Ruth is played by Julia Garner https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3400186/
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The writer of LOD is the writer of the bodyguard. Excellent

You seen Luther?
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Finally finished season 2.

Kept waiting for the reveal that the cartel lawyer is actually the cartel leader. Holding out for season 3.

Acting in the series is excellent. Took only one or two episodes to realize that George Michael Bluth was noting this series.

The director is lazy. What is up with all the dark scenes? Don’t even know who is in the scene until they speak.

Why give Darlene the baby? Just have her killed.
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“We do not kill people”. Wendy Byrd
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No spoiler alert here, but the show jumped the shark (for me) with the death in (I think) episode 7?

I’m out.
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Resurrecting this old thread, about 8 episodes in and I really love this show. Glad they paid a few bucks for real actors too, it does make a difference when the scripts get a little weak. And as to the drowning scene, I just always figured it would come into play later on, so maybe? And do you remember her dives in off the pier, she is no swimmer to begin with, just a part I guess she is playing... (-;
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