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Been offline a couple of days so not sure if the new BMC has been posted yet but if not here it is:






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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Good looking bike. Looks like a speedmax met up with Trek's Speedbox. Not a bad thing though

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [pirate_rrob] [ In reply to ]
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There doesn't appear to be much emphasis on nutrition or hydration storage, so it looks like it is intended to primarily be a TT bike. It doesn't look like they made a wide downtube to shield a bottle either. Makes me think they focused on narrow, so it might be a good low yaw bike.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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This probably confirms that Slowman isn't in Kona to provide a write up about BMC's latest offering...
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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What's up with that seatpost? Setback options look pretty grim.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Grill] [ In reply to ]
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Grill wrote:
What's up with that seatpost? Setback options look pretty grim.

Don't worry on that front


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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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That is a bike I can live with. Hopefully there be a frame/Bar only option! Travelling with it and using it on a Trainer seems a little easier than the new Cervelo P5X! I can already imagine the BMC it with Zipp 808 and Super9! :)

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe we're not seeing it on this bike but I was told it would have an integrated front hydration system as well.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe we're not seeing it on this bike but I was told it would have an integrated front hydration system as well.


Agreed: same setup as with the Canyon Speedmax which requires some small adjustments for integrated fuel system.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [PaulVlitsky] [ In reply to ]
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Similar to the Cube that Raelert rode last year. Looks cool.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Barchettaman] [ In reply to ]
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Front brake must be tucked right behind the fork?

That is a very attractive triathlon bicycle.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Ah finally. Now the long&low gestapo can stop whining.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Called it!

Remove the draft box, and the seatpost will slot further back into the seat tube, making it a UCI-legal bike.


Not a fan of what looks like horizontal rear drop outs.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [PBT_2009] [ In reply to ]
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PBT_2009 wrote:
Front brake must be tucked right behind the fork?

That is a very attractive triathlon bicycle.

I get the feeling it's really well hidden in the fork along the lines of the new Look TT bike.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [snaaijert] [ In reply to ]
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snaaijert wrote:
Ah finally. Now the long&low gestapo can stop whining.


Dunno....certainly appears to be low, but not so much long. We'll see once the geos are made available, I guess.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Power13] [ In reply to ]
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Very Canyon Speedmax /Trek SpeedConcept looking.. not impressed. I don't think it's enough to make me get rid of my TM01.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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I am going to a BMC event in Kona
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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Would really like to know if they updated the quality/design of the rear brake and increased the clearance for wider wheel/tire combo.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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I'm also interested in the brakes... and if the rumored front hydration was implemented.

Side note: does anyone know what the UCI's rules are going to be going forward for TT bikes? Not that I'm fast enough to be bound by them but I'm thinking about keeping my SC for TTs going forward.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Interesting that they're staying away from disc brakes... or at least offering a rim brake alternative.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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GreenPlease wrote:
I'm also interested in the brakes... and if the rumored front hydration was implemented.

Side note: does anyone know what the UCI's rules are going to be going forward for TT bikes? Not that I'm fast enough to be bound by them but I'm thinking about keeping my SC for TTs going forward.

I've done dozens of TTs and my bikes has never been measured. Never. Your SC should be fine.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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Will find out
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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All you need is a BTA and rear setup for just about any race. If you need a refill option just slide in a Torpedo in your BTA holder. The whole massive front hydration while fast really is not needed to keep hydrated.
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Tri Slow Poke wrote:
GreenPlease wrote:
I'm also interested in the brakes... and if the rumored front hydration was implemented.

Side note: does anyone know what the UCI's rules are going to be going forward for TT bikes? Not that I'm fast enough to be bound by them but I'm thinking about keeping my SC for TTs going forward.


I've done dozens of TTs and my bikes has never been measured. Never. Your SC should be fine.

USAC Nationals-grade events, except possibly Masters Nationals where they relaxed the enforcement, it could be measured.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [GreenPlease] [ In reply to ]
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I also heard that the 3-1 rule will get dumped. But as others have said, unless you are a professional racing in the Nat Champs, your chance that your to have your bike checked or measured is ZERO.

GreenPlease wrote:
I'm also interested in the brakes... and if the rumored front hydration was implemented.

Side note: does anyone know what the UCI's rules are going to be going forward for TT bikes? Not that I'm fast enough to be bound by them but I'm thinking about keeping my SC for TTs going forward.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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I also heard that the 3-1 rule will get dumped. But as others have said, unless you are a professional racing in the Nat Champs, your chance that your to have your bike checked or measured is ZERO.

GreenPlease wrote:
I'm also interested in the brakes... and if the rumored front hydration was implemented.

Side note: does anyone know what the UCI's rules are going to be going forward for TT bikes? Not that I'm fast enough to be bound by them but I'm thinking about keeping my SC for TTs going forward.

I'll start thinking about it if I ever make it up to Cat 1 :p

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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I like the looks of this bike but how aero is it. I hate the look of the new Ceverlo but I bet it is aero.

At least with this bike I could still use a majority of my go to parts.

Would like to see this up close for the front brake set up and aerobar/stem set up.


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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BMANX] [ In reply to ]
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This bike looks boring to me. I love the look of the P5-X.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BryanD] [ In reply to ]
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I love me some BMC, but I'm not a fan of how disjointed the seat post assembly looks.


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BryanD wrote:
This bike looks boring to me. I love the look of the P5-X.

Agree 100%
Nothin -wrong- with it, but pretty plain and dated looking compared with other new bikes. Was it really necessary to hide this behind a secret wall at interbike?! Usually that implies its something exciting....
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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The BMC, Canyon Speedmax, and (insert current superbike here) look boring and unimaginative compared to the new Diamondback and *alleged* Cervelo.


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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Herbert] [ In reply to ]
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I also heard that the 3-1 rule will get dumped. But as others have said, unless you are a professional racing in the Nat Champs, your chance that your to have your bike checked or measured is ZERO.

And junior and U23. Not trying to nitpick - just don't want some jr. parent to read this thread and go buy their kid a Cervelo P5x for Christmas so they can try to qualify for Jr. Worlds.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Agree it looks like a pretty standard double diamond design but it is a very solid option. The fork looks very clean and it's not hit-you-over-the-head obvious that they put the brakes behind the fork.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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I love me some BMC, but I'm not a fan of how disjointed the seat post assembly looks.

This!

Cannondale did something similar a while back IIRC.

Don't like it. There's no flow to the shape. It's almost like they suddenly realised "shit we haven't put a seat post in" or it reminds me of kids in crappy cars with giant spoiler nailed to the back. Completely incongruent!

In fact why do TT bikes not go with fixed seat posts like Giants Propel Advanced SL?


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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Race1] [ In reply to ]
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Race1 wrote:
ZenTriBrett wrote:
I love me some BMC, but I'm not a fan of how disjointed the seat post assembly looks.


This!

Cannondale did something similar a while back IIRC.

Don't like it. There's no flow to the shape. It's almost like they suddenly realised "shit we haven't put a seat post in" or it reminds me of kids in crappy cars with giant spoiler nailed to the back. Completely incongruent!

In fact why do TT bikes not go with fixed seat posts like Giants Propel Advanced SL?


The fixed ISP frames can be painful to travel with since no removable seat post.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Race1] [ In reply to ]
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Race1 wrote:

In fact why do TT bikes not go with fixed seat posts like Giants Propel Advanced SL?

Because ISPs are one of the worst 'innovations' to be foisted on the world by the bike industry. The Propel manages to combine several bad ideas (ISP, brake calipers, 1.25 steerer) in one bike.

The big issue I see is that stores are so afraid to cut them that they just leave the saddle way too high.

As for the BMC - it looks like a nice incremental progression from the old bikes. Which is where UCI legal design is at - not much that can be done within the rules to improve on bikes that are already good.


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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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ISP's if done right and if the person is fit correctly on the bike they are amazing.




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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BMANX] [ In reply to ]
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What am I looking at that's amazing, there?




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ISP's if done right and if the person is fit correctly on the bike they are amazing.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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Integrated seat posts are a huge PITA to travel with and confer minimal benefits.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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TriRig Just released a bunch of spy shots of the BMC Time Machine!


http://www.tririg.com/...me_Machine_Spy_Shots

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [pirate_rrob] [ In reply to ]
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It looks really nice. Very clean.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [georged] [ In reply to ]
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Looks great, but it doesn't seem to have any direct-mount storage bosses on the top tube. Hope in the final production model it has that option, as the frame design at the front does not seem to allow to move the storage forward enough if we have to strap it round the top tube!

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spntrxi wrote:
Very Canyon Speedmax /Trek SpeedConcept looking.. not impressed. I don't think it's enough to make me get rid of my TM01.

It's even not enough to make me get rid of my TM02, and I am yearning for a new bike. Guess it will have to be the P5X then.
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SBRcoffee wrote:
BryanD wrote:
This bike looks boring to me. I love the look of the P5-X.


Agree 100%
Nothin -wrong- with it, but pretty plain and dated looking compared with other new bikes. Was it really necessary to hide this behind a secret wall at interbike?! Usually that implies its something exciting....

It looks like a Canyon, a Cube, and a Speed Concept had a love child. Which is all well and good.

But then you have the offerings from Dimond, Ventum, TriRig, Diamondback, and the new Cervelo and the BMC looks boring as shit.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [The GMAN] [ In reply to ]
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The GMAN wrote:
SBRcoffee wrote:
BryanD wrote:
This bike looks boring to me. I love the look of the P5-X.


Agree 100%
Nothin -wrong- with it, but pretty plain and dated looking compared with other new bikes. Was it really necessary to hide this behind a secret wall at interbike?! Usually that implies its something exciting....


It looks like a Canyon, a Cube, and a Speed Concept had a love child. Which is all well and good.

But then you have the offerings from Dimond, Ventum, TriRig, Diamondback, and the new Cervelo and the BMC looks boring as shit.

Exactly, which is the same issue with the Ceepo...
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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what if you want to change saddles or decide to change seat height? doesn't appear to be much if any leeway for that. ie a tall rail saddle to low
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jeffp wrote:
what if you want to change saddles or decide to change seat height? doesn't appear to be much if any leeway for that. ie a tall rail saddle to low

Are you referring to the ISP? They usually come with a set of thin spacers so that you can make micro adjustments in height after it is cut. Usually gives you at least a couple cm in either direction....but yeah, you gotta make sure you cut it accurate the first time to get it in a good height range.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [SBRcoffee] [ In reply to ]
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wasn't meaning to reply to you originally, but I did not notice an ISP on it. must not have looked closely on tririg's spy shots
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [pirate_rrob] [ In reply to ]
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TriRig Just released a bunch of spy shots of the BMC Time Machine!


http://www.tririg.com/...me_Machine_Spy_Shots

"Spy shots". Yeah, they just happened to find a guy JRA in his small ring/big cog combo, with three matching water bottles.

Really?

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jeffp wrote:
wasn't meaning to reply to you originally, but I did not notice an ISP on it. must not have looked closely on tririg's spy shots
Ah, no, not on the BMC, thought you were referring to the misc. pic someone posted above. Nevermind.. :)
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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The athlete (whoever he is) looks to be part of the BMC Uplace pro tri team. Hence the pro looking kit and water bottles etc.

It's feasable that he was out on a pre Kona recce ride and somebody just spotted him and grabbed some cool photos.
However, my money is on it being an "opportunistic" photo occasion.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Liaman wrote:
The athlete (whoever he is) looks to be part of the BMC Uplace pro tri team. Hence the pro looking kit and water bottles etc.

It's feasable that he was out on a pre Kona recce ride and somebody just spotted him and grabbed some cool photos.
However, my money is on it being an "opportunistic" photo occasion.

When is a pro *ever* in a small ring/big cog combo on a TT bike? I just thought it was funny (and a bit disingenuous).

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [klehner] [ In reply to ]
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Maybe he's just out for a light spin in advance of the big day?
It's too late to get fitter at this point.

Plus it's not like he would have traveled with two bikes, so TT bike or bust.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [kgro] [ In reply to ]
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Take an already awesome bike and make it lighter and faster in the tunnel, improve the stem, brakes and add storage options. sounds perfect to me. I can see form the pics that they have changed the p2p stem config and the frame looks possibly narrower ? Maybe some weight savings. I am glad they kept the rear horizontal drop out as I actually prefer that but hope that have made more room for wider wheel/tire combos. Need to see the rear brake hardware to see if the quality/design has been upgraded there.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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rmg wrote:
Take an already awesome bike and make it lighter and faster in the tunnel, improve the stem, brakes and add storage options. sounds perfect to me. I can see form the pics that they have changed the p2p stem config and the frame looks possibly narrower ? Maybe some weight savings. I am glad they kept the rear horizontal drop out as I actually prefer that but hope that have made more room for wider wheel/tire combos. Need to see the rear brake hardware to see if the quality/design has been upgraded there.

Even if they did, it is an incremental update. I already feel screwed by Apple, I don't need the same BS from the bike co. If after so many years all they could do is to make the frame a bit narrower and add a storage box at the back (completely ignoring the top tube bosses, or even OMG disk brakes) than it is the upgrade I can easily overlook and either stay with my existing bike, or go for a product with more balls.
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rmg wrote:
Take an already awesome bike and make it lighter and faster in the tunnel, improve the stem, brakes and add storage options. sounds perfect to me. I can see form the pics that they have changed the p2p stem config and the frame looks possibly narrower ? Maybe some weight savings. I am glad they kept the rear horizontal drop out as I actually prefer that but hope that have made more room for wider wheel/tire combos. Need to see the rear brake hardware to see if the quality/design has been upgraded there.

Love my TM01 and looking to upgrade soon but on the fence if this is the bike or not. Storage would need to improve and rear brakes would need to be easier to work on and would also appreciate a new stem configuration as you mentioned.

What may push me in this direction is the fact that the new Cervelo is a bit over the top to me, plus I must have a bike I can use on the trainer which eliminates Dimond and possibly Cervelo. Part of me would feel like a complete tool riding around on the Cervelo and DB...

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klehner wrote:
pirate_rrob wrote:
TriRig Just released a bunch of spy shots of the BMC Time Machine!


http://www.tririg.com/...me_Machine_Spy_Shots


"Spy shots". Yeah, they just happened to find a guy JRA in his small ring/big cog combo, with three matching water bottles.

Really?

Remember TriRig is not just some guy, he is now a competitor since he makes his own frame. I suspect companies may not be tripping over themselves to give him exclusive pictures of their new frames.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [chaparral] [ In reply to ]
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Based on the similarities between his spy shots of the various frames, I get the feeling that Nick (or an associate) just set up camp with a camera on the Queen K and waited for Pros to ride past on their new rigs.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [kgro] [ In reply to ]
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I guess if you require somewhere for solid nutrition I could see how additional storage options might be necessary. As pictured in the TriRig spy shots - 3 bottles + aero road bottle = nutrition set for long course. Somewhere to throw flat kit - check. Ready to go. Sounds like you are ready for something more radical in design. Maybe the Diamondback...
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Looks promising to me – something similar to the gorgeous Canyon Speedmax* but with real customer service!

*stripped down UCI TT version
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [cyclenutnz] [ In reply to ]
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cyclenutnz wrote:

The big issue I see is that stores are so afraid to cut them that they just leave the saddle way too high.

As for the BMC - it looks like a nice incremental progression from the old bikes. Which is where UCI legal design is at - not much that can be done within the rules to improve on bikes that are already good.

I can see the issue with travelling.

But regarding ISPs (Which I like purely for the looks) the irony is that this BMC's seat tube requires chopping so that you can get the seat to the height you want. There's relatively little frame left for it to slide down into.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Race1] [ In reply to ]
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it's on BMC main page.. the front is well... odd indeed. (v-cockpit)

atleast a flat bar is available... I would not ride the bike with the V-cockpit.. I don't care
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]
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Interested in the price points here.

The bento is positioned pretty far back on the top tube.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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BMC has their information up on their website: http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/...ne-01-sram_red_etap/

How is this bike better or different than a Trek Speed Concept? Looks the same from a layman's perspective and at this time the Speed Concept is "old".
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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It looks like the frame is 6,999$. The DA Di2 setup with Zipp 404/808 NSW is $8,499 which seems like a relative bargain.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [splittingfield] [ In reply to ]
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See a price on the TM02 options?
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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It's on the site, TM02 Ultegra Di2 is 5,999, Ultegra $3,699, 105 2,799
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [sharkbaitguy] [ In reply to ]
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sharkbaitguy wrote:
BMC has their information up on their website: http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/...ne-01-sram_red_etap/

How is this bike better or different than a Trek Speed Concept? Looks the same from a layman's perspective and at this time the Speed Concept is "old".

Well, I guess they could've taken the P5-X approach and made a bike that isn't any better by all accounts, but sure is different (and a ton more expensive).
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splittingfield wrote:
It looks like the frame is 6,999$. The DA Di2 setup with Zipp 404/808 NSW is $8,499 which seems like a relative bargain.

+1500 for $2500 wheels and Di2 = no brainer. Frame price seems high, but I guess you get bars and brakes.
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Interesting. Maybe accessing from a cell phone is my problem. Thanks anyhow!
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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I can't see prices??

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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Look under Technical Details, which is obviously where you would put the price.
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splittingfield wrote:
Look under Technical Details, which is obviously where you would out the price.


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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Love it! Looks so much better than Cervelo's new thing (holy moly it's hideous!!). Loving the Swiss engineering.
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This also does not leave much room in price for the Ultegra Di2 model.
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andrejs wrote:
Love it!

Same. That yellow and black one looks lean and mean.

The red frame has a different paint job from the 'spy shots' though. The BMC logo is in black on the production model.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [splittingfield] [ In reply to ]
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GREAT PRICING imo

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]
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Actually their site maybe wrong regarding wheels. On section says it comes with zipped, another mavic cxr elites on the DA di2 build.
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the interest in our new Timemachine! The full details are now released on our website, however if you have questions about the bike or want to hear more details join our product managers on Facebook Live tomorrow (10/5/16) at 8:00am HST here: https://www.facebook.com/bmcswitzerland/.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [RiDe_BMC] [ In reply to ]
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RiDe_BMC wrote:
Hi Guys,

Thanks for the interest in our new Timemachine! The full details are now released on our website, however if you have questions about the bike or want to hear more details join our product managers on Facebook Live tomorrow (10/5/16) at 8:00am HST here: https://www.facebook.com/bmcswitzerland/.

i'd love to see the following aero data :

Old TM01 VS New with V-cockpit ( like how the old have missile pro evo since that's what I have)
Old TM01 vs New with flat bar cockpit
New V vs Flat Cockpits.

even normalized in % would be good enough for me.. reasonable speed 25-30mph 15-15 yaw.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]
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I think the Di2 bike is a typo... picture has Ui2 spec'd @ 8599.. Hell Etap w/Firecrest is 10999.. so don't count on DA Di2 with NSW's for 8599
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Timtek] [ In reply to ]
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saw this bike today in person and it looks awesome



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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]
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Aero Data would be good to have, especially as I prefer the flat cockpit versus the V-Cockpit. Usually I would think that with my stack height of 696 I could get the flat cockpit and just use spacers to raise the armpads to my desired fit. But it seems that V-Cockpit is the only way to reach my stack with Flat Cockpit being 530mm – 670mm and V Cockpit 590mm – 705mm. Wonder if one could get some extra spacers from BMC or if I need to lower my own stack to the max of Flat Cockpit! Only 26mm.......hhmmm....

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [RiDe_BMC] [ In reply to ]
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Obviously you can't answer or speculate but I am rather curious to see what else may trickle down onto the production line from the Impec Concept bike BMC had at Eurobike 2015 (the V-cockpit for example). The Impec Concept had the V-cockpit, disc brakes (shrouded), belt drive, and the 'dual' seat post along the same concept as the V-cockpit.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [coopdog] [ In reply to ]
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http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/us-en/timemachine/

Looks like they did a major re-design on the brakes. Not sure how much the tire clearance has changed but it seems they are selling the bike with zipps equipped with 25mm tires so I assume it has increased marginally. Looks like there are two cockpit options, the 'flat option' looks to be non-standard. I think this bike might be smarter than people think at first look.
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spntrxi wrote:
I think the Di2 bike is a typo... picture has Ui2 spec'd @ 8599.. Hell Etap w/Firecrest is 10999.. so don't count on DA Di2 with NSW's for 8599

I have looked all over the pages...including technical details and do not see pricing. Any guidance on where they are??
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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I spent some time on the website last night and I am definitely interested as it seems like they addressed my concerns. I will be taking a harder look at this bike, would love to see one in person. I am impressed.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Liaman] [ In reply to ]
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Has anyone seen this video from Daniel Oss?
https://www.facebook.com/danieloss1/videos/10154399301375664/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED


It shows really good close ups of the seat tube junction and how the bike looks when set up in UCI legal mode.
There are basically two seatpost slots.




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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [Mike Alexander] [ In reply to ]
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Mike Alexander wrote:
spntrxi wrote:
I think the Di2 bike is a typo... picture has Ui2 spec'd @ 8599.. Hell Etap w/Firecrest is 10999.. so don't count on DA Di2 with NSW's for 8599


I have looked all over the pages...including technical details and do not see pricing. Any guidance on where they are??

It's in the "Technical Specs" table when you pick an individual build. A couple of the builds are missing the price.
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Liaman wrote:
Has anyone seen this video from Daniel Oss?
https://www.facebook.com/danieloss1/videos/10154399301375664/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED


It shows really good close ups of the seat tube junction and how the bike looks when set up in UCI legal mode.
There are basically two seatpost slots.



Thanks for that. Yeah two slots, and you really need two seatposts if you want to switch from one to the other since the tri seatpost would bottom out in the frame before the UCI seatpost would even enter the frame. But then I guess most people pick one and stick with it.
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I have not seen any comment on the weight of the frame or assembled bike. My current TM01 is a bit on the heavy side.
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Am interested in the new TM01, however my current stack is 696mm, and this means it works with the V Cockpit only (590mm – 705mm). However I prefer a flat cockpit, but the flat cockpit is designed for 530mm – 670mm stack. I presume spacers are used to achieve the height for the pads on the flat cockpit. Is it possible to add or purchase extra spacers to achieve my stack height, but using the Flat Cockpit. Or is this not possible? For structural reason?

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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rmg wrote:
http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/us-en/timemachine/

Looks like they did a major re-design on the brakes. Not sure how much the tire clearance has changed but it seems they are selling the bike with zipps equipped with 25mm tires so I assume it has increased marginally.

On their website, they claim that the maximum tire width/rim width is 27/28 mm.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Saw it yesterday at the Kona Ironman Village expo. When I saw the picture online I wasn't overly impressed, but once I saw it in person, my perception changed. The front and rear brake does have a cam actuated brake booster built in behind the stem. This allows the greater brake travel, which means wider rims/tires are easily fitting. I really like how the taller v-front looks as well, much nice in person than it is on the website.

The only thing I that didn't like was how the seat post can be moved to the UCI position by removing the storage box and use a special clamp. Looks like a complete afterthought... Not an issue since I would never ride it in the rearwards position anyways.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [audiojan] [ In reply to ]
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Cant wait to see the new TT bike in person. BMC bikes always tickle my fancy!
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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It looks ok. It looks alot like the Canyon Speedmax from the side, and that's not bad. I like the hinge for the steering column, and we're seeing that more to allow very deep fronts. The brake assist is clever, so long as it is bombproof.

Smarter? Interesting word choice. How so?$ At 7k for the frameset, it better be able to do some calculus.

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The flat bar comes extra? Um, no. Not going to sit up and beg for it either.
Where is the fit chart? A range of stacks is, at best, incomplete information. Not a bike fit solution yet. Missed opportunity, and hopefully they're rectify that.

And the 02 has a weird geometry trend for S/R. What's with that? Figuring aerobars are sufficiently adjustable that you can accommodate everyone? Curious design choice. -J

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yep, looks ok - very in keeping with the canyon and others but doesn't add anything obvious we haven't seen plenty of times on existing bikes.
a couple of things concern me though:
1 - the V bar setup looks as though a bento box would be no good since the bars/stem don't fair the area above the TT at all
2 - horizontal rear dropouts - why?
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BMANX wrote:
ISP's if done right and if the person is fit correctly on the bike they are amazing.


Dude. Some serious confidence in the builder not to mention the continued availability of that saddle. English?

We should notify the dropper post peddlers to skip you.
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Smarter? Interesting word choice. How so?$ At 7k for the frameset, it better be able to do some calculus. J

Not calculus, but trigonometry. With medium short, medium long, flat and V cockpit options and fore/aft seat and post adjustability, I see the potential to accommodate a wide range of fit options.

Look forward to seeing this bike in person at local BMC dealer. Unfortunately, can't do that with the speedmax.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [rmg] [ In reply to ]
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I found the assembly manual for the 2017 TM01 on the support page. The assembly instructions give a better idea of how the aerobars adjust for stack and reach, how the brakes set up, ect.

The manual also has a link to an online fitting app, though I haven't tried it.

Also, looking at the frame, it looks like they changed to BB86 like the rest of their bikes.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [kenpetruzzelli] [ In reply to ]
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They also have a decal set instructions listed on the support page....surely the frame has painted decals and buyers dont have to apply their own?
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [sjc166] [ In reply to ]
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I was told 9k for the the Ultegra Di2 TM01 and the Decals need to be applied at the time of build or not.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [grumpier.mike] [ In reply to ]
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It has a bento box not sure if comes with or option

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BrotherTri] [ In reply to ]
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It's CAD$9k just for the frameset which would have to make it one of the expensive frame sets on the market.....if you need to add the decals yourself then that just adds insult to injury.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [sjc166] [ In reply to ]
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lol.....have the bike shop or who build it for you add the decals.....point is you get a choice of white or neon green

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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Picked mine up this past weekend! :)

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [davidxtwo3] [ In reply to ]
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Nice David!

What size Frame is that? How tall are you and what's your stack height?

Thanks

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BrotherTri] [ In reply to ]
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Is there any information regarding minimum and maximum arm pad stack height and arm pad reach for the various sizes? How does the following translate across frame sizes?


Found this on the website for BMC (http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/int-en/timemachine/):

V-Cockpit
The patented V-Cockpit minimizes aerodynamic losses resulting from taller pad stack configurations. The system is capable of optimizing pad stack in the range of 590mm – 705mm


Adding this as another resource:

http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/...nual_English_new.pdf
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BrotherTri] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks, BrotherTri! I got the Medium-Short and I'm 5'-10". I'm not sure on the stack height. Had it fit by the local bike/tri shop.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [davidxtwo3] [ In reply to ]
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Any chance you could post a better picture of the bento box on the top tub?
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [sharkbaitguy] [ In reply to ]
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Something about the location of the bento bothers me. Aside from everyone else trying to basically integrate it right behind the stem, does its usability suffer at all being further back?
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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I don't like the v-cockpit for the only reason that BMC claims to be sub-optimal as compared to the flat-cockpit. This is a quote from their website: "The Flat-Cockpit offers the maximum aerodynamic advantage, letting riders attain the lowest possible pad stack configurations"

So if you fit in the flat-cockpit you should order the bake in that configuration, the only problem is that they don't sell a bike like that, you would have to buy the flat-cockpit for an additional $900. I find this outrageous.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BigH] [ In reply to ]
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I agree with big h
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [sharkbaitguy] [ In reply to ]
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Here you go.


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We sell BMC, the new Roadmachine is one of my favorite bikes on a number of levels. After seeing what they did with that, I was looking forward to this new TT bike they kept hinting at. I was left scratching my head a bit.


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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [dhr] [ In reply to ]
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I'll try to find it again, but I recall reading somewhere through all of their information that it tested better moved back in the tunnel???

From a purely aesthetic standpoint it looks a little "cheesy" compared to the rest of the whole. I would have thought they could have figured something else out, however suspect that this is an easier, cheaper solution vs. engineering and cost of developing a custom bento box.


Lot's of model build up and computations listed here:

http://www.bmc-switzerland.com/...hine-model-build-up/
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I like it! At the same time, all the geometric configurations of this bike makes me think that this bike was inspired by Picasso Cubism (...and I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing).
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [BigH] [ In reply to ]
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It would be great if BMC would post or make available all of the arm pad stack & reach information similar to: Cervelo, Felt or Trek. Currently, it appears that only retailers have access to an online fit system contained within the owner's manual setup information. I did however receive the following response from customer service in response to an email:

This seems a little confusing when compared to the website or even the owners manual (long slider, short slider of V-Cockpit vs. Flat Cockpit) and perhaps more reason why the flat cockpit should be a standard option.

"The Timemachine 01 V-cockpit on the large size frame has a pad stack range of 656mm to 705mm. The Flat cockpit has a stack range of 595mm to 670mm."



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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [sharkbaitguy] [ In reply to ]
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I see I am not the only one manual hunting.I think I figured it out after a while.

With the V cockpit, the vertical number in pad stack represent how high you elevate the pad. This only work in increments. The reach column, is color coded to pad position, Green, is mid pad position, Red is short, and purple is long position. However, because the V cockpit angles forward. Reach increases as you increase the stack. which is why the chart looks so weird. you can't move Y without moving X at the same time. And you can't move the basebar at all.

With the flat cockpit, the two columns represent the V basebar in the angled down and angled up position. There's a natural 30mm difference in pad stack between those orientations. High hand stack is distance between base bar and BB in the flipped up configuration. and Low hand stack is the reverse.

In my opinion, the V cockpit is unnecessarily complicated to use from a fit perspective. It might be ok if you have a position that you are already comfortable with, but less so if you think you will tweak it down the road.
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Not sure why BMC is forcing the customer to contact a retailer to figure out fit rather than making the data available. In my experience with retail, most "sales" people in the shops have no clue when it comes to bike fit or specifications.

Some additional info. regarding the "slider" and long vs. short measurements for arm pad stack adjustment.



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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [davidxtwo3] [ In reply to ]
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davidxtwo3 wrote:
Picked mine up this past weekend! :)

I love BMC (have had 2 of their tri bikes), but man... that thing looks like Picasso built a bike.




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interested if it's truly faster then the old TM01.. but from a looks POV... I like my 2014 a heck of a lot more.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [spntrxi] [ In reply to ]
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I think I would like the new TM02 with the TriRig bars upgrade the best.
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ZenTriBrett wrote:

I love BMC (have had 2 of their tri bikes), but man... that thing looks like Picasso built a bike.


Ah, finally a bike for art lovers!
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [sharkbaitguy] [ In reply to ]
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Has anybody found the new TM02 manual and/or pad x-y specs yet? I'm not having any luck finding it yet.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [bjorn] [ In reply to ]
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About to pull the trigger on the 2017 TM02 with Ultegra Di2. Racing olys, half and long distance. I'm not Richie Rich, but this seems like a sexy, aero, light enough bike that will last me a long time. Any reason to reconsider before I get buyer's remorse? I don't plan on tinkering that much except for adding hydration and fuel storage.

Also, I got Vuelta Corsa carbon 50 LE wheels as a gift (unsolicited). The TM02 in this build comes with some sweet Mavic CXR Elite Exalith. What should I do with the Vueltas, put them on my road bike?

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Why the TM02 over the TM01? That exposed front brake on the 02 is the deal-breaker for me. Have you thought about the 01 with the integrated front brake and "flat-cockpit" option? I'm looking for ONE tri bike that I can ride both in USAT/IM events as well as ITU/USA-cycling events in the 2 different configurations and this one seems to check all the boxes.
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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [More Cowbell] [ In reply to ]
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Because I feel like the exposed front break / integrated fork isn't worth ~$3k to "upgrade". And also potentially less adjustable with the integration.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [ZenTriBrett] [ In reply to ]
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ZenTriBrett wrote:

I love BMC (have had 2 of their tri bikes), but man... that thing looks like Picasso built a bike.


It sure is a weird looking bike, I'd be looking at buying a run out 15-16 TM01

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [TriguyBlue] [ In reply to ]
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Haha yes, some find the Timemachine weird looking, others find it nice and clean. Some find the P5X a monstrosity, others like it in person. I like the Timemachine look. Simple, aero, and pretty.

I can't argue with buying an older model (and by older, that can be a 2016) at a discount.

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Re: New BMC Tri/TT bike photo [RudeDude] [ In reply to ]
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RudeDude wrote:

I can't argue with buying an older model (and by older, that can be a 2016) at a discount.

I think the 16 is one of the nicest looking bikes around, has that simple elegant look, kind of like the Canyon Speedmax before the Triathlon additions.

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