very interesting thoughts, Dave, I agree with what you're saying.
I think the very concept of moving the rider is not at all discussed. We are all taught to gauge the riders' 'feelings' or sensations but not to consider the tempo of that move. If Fitting is like music, we are the conductors and the rider is the musician?

Part of the reason I like FIST is that it is the BAM method: here you are 'here', here you are THERE, BAM.

On the other hand, microincremental movements can lead a rider in a way you may not otherwise be able to.

Sometimes I make a small movement and the rider feels it, sometimes they are clueless. Right from the start in a fitting I'm saying to them "this is a 2cm move" on whatever axis, to somewhat clue them in. Often they feel an SX change as a Hbar change - they don't realise that it isn't the bars moving.

I would ask at what point of the fit did you go 'piano' vs. BAM. Early on, or, after the saddle height is set?

I guess just about any answer to Bike Fitting is: it depends. Isn't that the worst reply? But now you have a nuance, or another tool in your Fit Pocket, to bring to an athlete.

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Anne Barnes
ABBikefit, Ltd
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X/Y Coordinator
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Hey Dave,

We use the Muve as well, but before that we used the Exit fit bike and as you might know those pistons more or less ' dropped' when you adjusted them. Since this method worked pretty good we adopted this method as well on the Muve. So like you we turn the handles (all of them) as fast as possible. So that every position change is more abrupt to feel then with a slower 1 second turn.

Like Ann says it is how Dan teach at the FIST courses. Do you like this or that, this or that, this or that and it are bam ,bam ,bam changes.
If you do it much slower i tend to see and notice that the subject doesn't experience the changes that good.

Regards,

Jeroen
Tri-Run.com

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Owner at TRIPRO, The Netherlands

Dave, this has been my go-to move since using the Retul fit bike. I'm specifically looking for muscle loading and rider feedback on the changes. You *have* to go slow, as that's the rate that muscles fire and reload. I'm sure a much more rigorous scientific approach could quantify it better, but when I'm done people feel very strong and efficient.

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