I'm sick of his BS. Even more than I was with Bush. At least Bush took responsibility for some of his failed policies.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

It is ridiculous.

The absurdity of it is too much.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

So what now? We wait on the ususal suspects to arrive and attempt to deflect the story?

C'mon folks... where are you? Etch -a- sketch. Birth Control. C'mon. Obama killed Osama.

I'll be honest. I'll probably never be satified with who is in power. I have equal disdain for leadershipin both parties. Romney doesn't offend me like others do, so it is a start. But I'll probably be just as pissed off by May of next year. Well, maybe not quite as much. Obama is really, really, really bad.

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"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden

Old Hickory wrote:

So what now? We wait on the ususal suspects to arrive and attempt to deflect the story?

Sorry. You're dead wrong.

It's okay because Rush called Fluke a slut.

I find it highly funny thta Obama calls out the subsidies by the Chinese government as a reason that Solyndra went belly up.

In doing this, he highlights exactly why the government was the only reason Solyndra was funded in the first place--because no private investor in their right mind would throw money down that rat hole when it was fully known that the cost advantage vs. China was a non starter.

Obama is a fool.

He thinks he knows hot to allocate capital better than the free market and he has been proven dead fucking wrong time and time again.

But this won't stop the commi moonbats, and socialist shills to STILL continue to believe that their system of organizing an economy is superior to capitalism.

What a joke--failure after failure, and these fools never learn.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

Was this a government run company?

Or was a government funded company?

What does it matter it was a taxpayer money that was put at risk in a venture that was doomed to fail.

The entire incentive strucutre that explains how good business efficenity use capital was FUBAR.

Do I need to dig up the idiocy behind the wastful things that were purchased for the companies elaborate, luxury headquarters.

Again, that is OUR fucking money, going straight down the shitter, and Obama, if he had any balls, or dignity, or a backbone, would man the fuck up and apolgize for wasting our money.

Instead we get his limp dick excuse that this wasn't his pet project.

Do you think he would say the same if--via a miracle from God--Solyndra would have been the next Apple?

Pathetic.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

This just in: politician doesn't take responsibility for $500 million fuck up.

That this does not disappoint you is itself disappointing.

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I find it highly funny thta Obama calls out the subsidies by the Chinese government as a reason that Solyndra went belly up.

Not only funny, but just plain ignorant.

If China wants to spend billions on solar panels to drive their sales price down, let them. In essence they are shipping us money. They aren't making money on the product. The second they stop subsidizing them the price goes up and then if people want to buy them at the new higher price you compete with that. This is why subsidization is simply a lost cause.

You dump money into research, development and then keep the price down by dumping more money into via subsidization. If and when you quite subsidizing it and people start buying it everyone steals your technology and off they go.

~Matt

Ideology is priceless. And deaf, dumb, and blind... it appears.

Where did I say it wasn't disappointing? It's just not surprising.

Apparently Mitt has a similar record as Governor - - so who do we put in charge? - - or better yet, How can we stop all corporate subsidies?

http://www.politico.com/...ries/0212/72498.html

What does it matter it was a taxpayer money that was put at risk in a venture that was doomed to fail.

What do you mean what does it matter? Do you know how many companies are subsidized by the government?

I didn't realize Obama was actually making day to day decisions for this company.

You need to get your story straight.

which ones?

So you are saying Obama personally authorized the Solyndra loan? BTW I am not saying this was not a huge debacle, but you can't blame the president for everything. Yes, Steven Chu (Secretary of Energy) is a complete bonehead. If you were calling out Obama for not canning Stephen Chu over this, I would agree with you. But since you are blaming Obama himself, you just aren't credible. He is no more personally responsible for Solyndra than he is for taking out Bin Laden.

Yes, Obama appointed Chu. The right thing to do when you put someone in charge of something and they royally fuck it up is to can them.

Chainpin/theforge

Your level of stupidity constantly amazes me.

IM GOING TO FORM A STRONG OPINION WITH LITTLE TO NO RELEVANT KNOWLEDGE HERP DERP HERP

In all seriousness, why does everyone let the Secretary of Energy off the hook on this? If you think attacking the President is going to get you anywhere on this, you are the one that is a fool. The best thing that could come of this, is that if people (the media included) would hold the cabinet level person responsible for this fiscal disaster accountable, it would not be unreasonable to force his resignation and/or dismissal.

For a number of reasons Chu needs to be removed. The extent of bad decisions that have come down during his tenure is bad, even by the low bar set by the DOE. The cynic in me says the only reason to keep Chu in his position is so that he can make further colossal mistakes that strengthen calls for dissolving the DOE. I am kind of torn, because I think a coherent energy policy is vital for America, but the history of DOE fucking things up is so bad, we would arguably be better off with no energy policy or DOE as compared to the shit sandwich we have right now.

I miss the good ol' days when we could blame Bush for everything.... including the weather.

The weather has been really great this winter, so go ahead and blame Obama for it.

Please educate us all on the subject.

And no cheating...you have to put your DailyKos crib sheet away before doing so.

Nothing to see here.

In the wake of the Solyndra financial disaster for taxpayers, a lawsuit was filed one day ahead of the President's Copper Mountain inspection tour charging illegal financial practices at First Solar (FSLR). In addition, a report on The Street said First Solar, "was the worst-performing stock in the S&P 500 Wednesday morning."
The 'impending collapse' of First Solar, which owns a solar panel manufacturing plant near Toledo, Ohio, may be mentioned when the President visits Ohio this week. But news from the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is not encouraging for alternative energy loan guarantees such as the $455million taxpayers will be forced to give to First Solar if criminal charges are not filed soon.



"Tell me more about Copper Mountain Uncle Obama"

USA Today covered the President's first day of a four day tour to highlight his successes in energy. Speaking at what is supposedly the largest solar generating plant in the country, the Copper Mountain Solar One plant, the President said, "If some politicians have their way, there won't be any more public investment in solar energy. There won't be as many new jobs and new businesses."



"Tell me more about the new jobs Uncle Obama"



The Copper Mountain plant, run by Sempra Energy, employes only 5 full time employees. It is rated as generating 48mega-watts, which is less power than Nellis Air Force Base (near Las Vegas) uses each day. For comparison, US Navy aircraft carriers can generate almost 4 times the output of Copper Mountain.
The output of Hoover Dam is enough to power just two cities the size of Vegas, yet it is as powerful a hydroelectric plant as has ever been built - until China's new project is online.


"How much did we have to spend to get those five people full time jobs Uncle Obama?"

The Copper Mountain Solar Plant in Boulder City Nevada was built in 2010 after receiving nearly $55 million in YOUR tax dollars. Since that time the plant has created only five full time positions – or just over $10 million government dollars per employee.

"That sounds very efficient Uncle Obama. Now can you tell me your idea for using unicorn farts to light up NYC? I love fairy tales at bedtime"

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Hey asshat, bring it the fuck on and if you want to debate on any topic related to Obama's time as Chief AINO start the thread and prepare to be annihilated.

So, now the ball is in your court, so please keep talking about Solyndra, as I'm up for a good old fashioned interweb forum moonbat/ballwasher smackdown fest of biblical proportions of the first and highest everlasting order.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

That's fine if you want Chu replaced, but he is just a pawn, that implements Obama's failed green energy policy.

I can attack Obama on this because it is his policy, it is his decision to invest in these technologies which are doomed to fail.

Hell, you guys know I have predicted this for at least the last couple years and I have the threads to show it.

This was all very predicable.

He's modeled his plan after Spain and other countries that have also failed at the green energy subsidy game.

It's a fucking joke, so don't bring that weak ass shit, that I can't criticize this guy for wasting a measly $500M on Solyndra, because it is not just this debacle that we are talking about, in fact, the fucking list of Obama's green energy disasters is so long, that when I search on my old posts about them, Dan's servers shit themselves.

And if anyone here wants to challenge me on any of this then step right up, I have a long history of following Obama's failed energy policy, so I'm warning you now, the odds of your success in countering my claims are fucking dead nuts zero.

So here you yoda, my post from May 2010 predicting ALL of this shit: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC

Waiting.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

So his excuse is basically that the Chinese are better at their solar subsidies than he is. ;)

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"100% of the people who confuse correlation and causation end up dying."

Remind me of what you are trying to prove - that an entire energy policy is not worth pursuing because of one failed company? or that one failed company's business plan didn't work out? you get so many concepts and crystal ball predictions mixed up in all that "I've got a hard core boner for Obama" that just can't keep up.

Pretty much agree that Chu (he's a Nobel prize winner you know) has been pretty incompetent, or politically driven/controlled. Obama has a little more tie to the decision in a way, because big Obama donors and bundlers were involved.

http://azpundit.com/...alize-solyndra-loan/

This is no policy, its quid pro quo, dollars for dollars horshit, that is what it is.

Obama doesn't care if these companies survive.

He just wants the kickbacks from the power brokers getting the benefit of our taxpayer money.

Now if you guy really want to get into the weeds about how Obama is fucking the WARN claimants, how Argonaut (Kaiser's PE firm--he raised big bucks in 2008 for Soetoro) got preferential treatment after $75M in taxpayer money was subordinated, and how Obama and the DOJ are stonewalling the bankruptcy proceedings, then let's get down to brass tacks.

And now Obama is trying to spread blame around for his failed policy and kick-back activities.

And please don't make me dig up the list I have already posted of the green energy failures due entirely to Barack Husssein Obama.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

I'm sick of his BS. Even more than I was with Bush.

That's surprising.

At least Bush took responsibility for some of his failed policies.


Except the important ones like Iraq.

Debating you would be like playing a game of chess with a pigeon. You'd knock the pieces over, crap on the board, and then strut around acting superior.

If you're interested in dialogue, or you know, thinking, try doing some reading just to learn. then go form your viewpoint.

Or if you have a really strong opinion and want to be informed start by trying to build a case against your own opinion.

Try again once you're worth debating.



Some starting points:
Subsidies/tax breaks that exist for non-solar sources of power
Subsidies for solar companies in other countries
Components of solar technology
Changes in China's trade policy over the last 12 months or so
Overall portfolio performance of the legislation that 'subsidized' Solyndra
Externalities
http://www.sfu.ca/~allen/CoaseJLE1960.pdf

So, is it the green energy failures which are in infancy or is it this compsny.

Ps, the public doesn't give a shit aout this or TSA.

That's what I thought.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

Are you also predicting the sun will rise tomorrow?

I agree solar subsidies to the level being doled out by the current administration are stupid and a huge waste of money. It did not take any level of intelligence to predict the failure, hence if you want to take credit for predicting this, I am not going to argue with you. Just need to look at the German solar experience to see where this is going.

Do you believe that Obama personally signed off on or had specific knowledge about the Solyndra loan in particular? This is yes or no.

Yes, I agree as chief executive who appointed Stephen Chu he is not absolved from blame. Who do you believe has more personal responsibility for Solyndra? Obama or Stephen Chu?

Are you stupid enough to think you are going to get Obama removed from office with any of your complaints. I will go on record right now and bet you $100 Obama gets re-elected.

I think there is a real probability that Chu could get tossed and some change in policy could be enacted, but again, the legion of morons keep attacking Obama. Ain't going to happen. There is a clear fall guy here, Chu. If he is set up right, Obama is probably smart enough to sacrifice him. Do you really think Obama is not smart enough to recognize what a political liability Solyndra is? If he was given a reasonable out to take another turn, he might do it. Direct attacks on Obama are not going to result in a capitulation on this and a change in direction of policy. Direction of the majority of the blame should be placed on Chu.

Go ahead and blame it all on Obama. All it is doing is causing him and his supporters to do is dig in their heels. In the end, I think you enjoy all these fuckups, because you are just miserable and want to complain about something. I will laugh in November when Obama is re-elected because you and all the other trolls couldn't get behind a reasonable candidate and kept making stupidly misguided critiques of Obama instead of more measured and credible criticism that might have actually accomplished something.

I guess we'll see in November what the public gives a shit about, meanwhile, I will be here to update you on Obama's latest green energy disaster.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

Ahh, yeah, I will take credit for it:

My exact words from two years ago: His energy policy will be a fucking disaster, mark my words.

I sense a bit of angst in your reply, and a big dose of cognitive dissonance.

His green energy policy is a train wreck, while gas prices are through the roof, and now Obama, after the latest poll, is suddenly green lighting part of the Gulf pipeline because he knows he'll be able to convince a few sheep that he is concerned about gas prices, when in reality, he wants prices to go higher.

He's a joke and if you don't think my criticism of his energy policies are justified based on the facts I have presented and his track record of complete and utter failure, then you are just ballwashing for him.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

True leadership is in having the intellectual honesty to admit to a fuck-up and take the blame like a man. In doing so, your critics are less harsh with you and will at least acknowledge a modest and sensible part of your character.

For instance, I am completely perfect. Everything I say here in the LR is 100% correct and all of my critics are 100% wrong all of the time. Except when I realize that my perfection creates envy and silent enemies. Therefore I choose to be occasionally wrong about a trivial matter so as to appear more human and approachable to the liberal and democrat morons of this forum.

In my imperfection I am perfect, but only through admitting my imperfection.

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Didn't all these failed companies give huge bucks to Obama's re-election?

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Interestingly the DOD is pretty good at this.

We'd be better off finding solutions for renewable energy sources in austere environments. Trucking fuel around Afghanistan (and when we were still heavily in Iraq) is risky and expensive stuff.

I saw what you did.

Very sly, substituting the erroneous term moron, instead of the correct and proper word moran, thereby stealthily illustrating the point you were making.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

All these towering disasters have some linkage to Obama fundraising powerbrokers.

Hell, it is so obvious that even ABC news covered the damn story.

But this is something the Obama ballwashing moonbat sheep have no interest in discussing.

He doesn't give a rats ass about green energy.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

Let us examine and analyze how to accept responsibility and apologize for mistakes;

Mojozenmaster: "I fucked up. I am sorry." (this is a traditonal believable apology)

President Obama: "It appears that I have failed to articulate my messsage in a way that the American People can appreciate and understand" (this is an insult dressed up like an apology)

Even Jed, Jethro, Duke, Elly-May and the rest of the Clampett family knows this ^^^^^^ is an insult, not an apology. Most other Americans do as well........obviously saying everyone else who disagrees is too stupid to understand his words.

What a Dick!!

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No I think he was shooting for "better at central control" than he is.

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How does a failed bankrupt company with no money give huge money for reelection to Obama? I think this one might be wrong.

Chu? Radical? I've seen him speak. He's about as radical as a bowl of shredded wheat. You people use throw these words out so often they lose their meaning.

Anyone that wants higher gas prices is a radical...a radical asshole.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

Do you believe that Obama personally signed off on or had specific knowledge about the Solyndra loan in particular?

Let's just say that Obama bit off more than he could Chu.

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Which is probably why I was registering 59.67mi as I rolled into T2.

Your tone of voice and things you may or may not say in public are not the only things that might mark you as radical.

Painting everything white to fight warming might be a start. Thinking we need to drive our economy and our country into oblivion by having outrageous gas prices to force change is a little better start. Taking tax dollars and investing them in failed ideas because you worship at the thrown of inefficient green energy is a big indicator.


Lets go with quirky and out of touch. Would that be more in line with how he thinks?



For his global glucose economy, vast supplies of fast-growing crops would be planted in the sunny tropics. The plants would be converted into glucose. The glucose would be shipped around the world much as oil is today, for eventual conversion into biofuels to run our cars. Wow! What an approach to the energy problem.



Heck that sounds easy especially since there is no infrastructure. How many trees to do you chop down to make room for the plants you will use? How many millions of gallons of fuel a day will this produce?



As Chu explained in a interview in 2007 when he was director of the Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory, “Termites have developed a symbiotic relationship with colonies of bacteria that reside inside a termite’s gut and convert biomass, specifically cellulose, mostly from wood, into chemical energy the termite can utilize.
“If we can learn to either genetically engineer the microorganisms from termite guts, or cow guts…to produce more energy from biomass than they need, or else adapt the chemistry within the microorganisms to process the biomass ourselves, we would go a long way towards reducing our dependency…(on) oil.”

Same questions

He explained in the interview: “We think a solution to the energy problems may lie at the interface between biology and the physical sciences on the nanoscale. We are now mounting a major, multidisciplinary initiative…which would develop ways to convert solar energy into a carbon-neutral form of energy that could sustain our world in an environmentally friendly manner,
“To do this, we are drawing on our expertise in nanotechnology and synthetic biology and the resources…at the West Berkeley Biocenter…and at The Molecular Foundry, a U.S. Department of Energy nanoscale science research center “We believe that a well-conceived program put in place now has the potential to provide the people of the United States with renewable energy security and economic growth for decades to come.”

Broun: “So what grade would you give yourself?”
Chu: “Oh -”
Broun: “A to F, what grade would you give yourself?”
Chu: “There’s always room for improvement, maybe an A-.”


The man is an environmentalist nut who wishes up pipe dreams that have no chance and burn through our money faster than Obama through a cheeseburger when his wife isn't around to smack him in the back of the head.

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How do you know there is no chance? What sort of scientific credentials do you possess to make such a claim versus a Nobel-Prize winner? There is something all of you should know. Winning a Nobel Prize is much harder to do than winning the Kona Ironman. Much, much more competition. I find this discussion amusing.

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“We think a solution to the energy problems may lie at the interface between biology and the physical sciences on the nanoscale."

Based on my own reading, I think he may be right about that, although I suspect private industry could get there faster than government, assuming their hands aren't tied.

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Which is probably why I was registering 59.67mi as I rolled into T2.

http://sadhillnews.com/...20-white-house-trips

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A rational statement amongst the hate. Here's the deal--alternative energy is not economically viable right now. Private industry won't do something that doesn't make money. That doesn't mean it won't ever work, just that we haven't figured out how to do it yet. The Wright brothers had to get a plane off the ground before flight become a multibillion dollar industry. Take yourself back to the late 19th century. Would all of you be furious if the government started investing in the concept of an airplane? We subsidize to drive innovation. Most of these energy companies will fail, but some might not. And that's why it's worth the risk.

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As you say, it isn't economically viable right now. When there is a prospect of it becoming so soon enough to warrant investing in the necessary R&D, investors will do so (again, assuming no interference by regulators). To use your example, the government didn't need to subsidize the Wright Brothers.

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Which is probably why I was registering 59.67mi as I rolled into T2.

Private investors are taking notice, but it's extremely high risk. To the Wright brothers--I have no idea who funded their research, but I bet we could have gotten a plane off the ground faster if the government pumped a bunch of money into making it happen.

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That's assuming that the government would have figured out that the Wrights' heavier-than-air solution was the right one and that they wouldn't have taken away the Wright brothers' money and everyone else's and invested it instead in some other futuristic-looking project, which might not have been viable at all.

It's a classic case of Bastiat's Ce qu'on voit et ce qu'on ne voit pas.

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Which is probably why I was registering 59.67mi as I rolled into T2.

Do you think private industry could have created the atomic bomb? Come on, you can't seriously think the free market drives all scientific innovation.

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Do you think private industry could have created the atomic bomb? Come on, you can't seriously think the free market drives all scientific innovation.

I don't think private industry in a free market would have had any reason to create the bomb, or any other kind of military weapon (except insofar as such weapons might be adaptable to legitimate private uses). Under a free market system, as it is usually conceived, such functions are handled by a government, which can contract with private industry as needed. There's no legitimate private-sector demand for A-bombs, unlike for energy.

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Which is probably why I was registering 59.67mi as I rolled into T2.

I like what you say. In fact, I like it so much I'm nominating you for the Nobel Peace Prize. I think I can even download the form and send it in, meaning I won't have to travel to Norway myself in order to get you into the competition. It's kind of like the IMH lottery, buddy. ;-)

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

What the fuck are you taking about? Bush took full responsibility for Iraq. He just didn't see it for the failure it was. But he never denied the decision was his and his alone. Remember he was the deciderer? Taking responsibilty and admitting failure are too different things. Obama can do neither and when he has not choice but to acknowledge something failed, he blames it on somebody or something else. Solyndra failed becasue of the Chinese or it was a Bush project. People are loosing jobs because of ATMs and technology. The economy would have improved if not for the Tsunami. And on and on and on. The guy is a lightweight in over his head. Going forward if your primary work experience prior to being in politics was a community organizer. It should disqualify you.

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Risk, what fucking risk are you talking about?

These companies are taking any risk.

To take a risk, you must have something at stake, and when you get your moneyfor free, from the govnerment, with no strings attached, you have no risk, therefore, you have no incentive to efficienty utilize your scarce capital, which means if you are Solyndra you pay yourself a fat salary and you build the most over the top, uncessary, luxury factory at a time when everyone in the industry knows massive amounts of subsidized Chinese capacity is going to come on line and erode overall industry pricing.

Furthermore, you do stupid shit like install spa showers and have fucking singing robots and other idiotic money wasting crap.

http://www.bloomberg.com/...ots-spa-showers.html

" It had robots that whistled Disney tunes, spa-like showers with liquid-crystal displays of the water temperature, and glass-walled conference rooms. "

You also don't see 50% of your finished product scrapped because it doesn't work and not give a shit about it:

“A significant percentage of the product we built went into a dumpster because it was defective,” said Craig Ewing, 55, a former maintenance technician. “It seemed like the company accepted that,” he said.

Why do you thik they didn't care?

Yeah, they didn't have any capital at risk, if shit failed big FN deal...not my problem.

Are you starting to get the picture now, is it sinking in, do you now understand why people have had enough of this crap?

So in the future--and please continue to comment, as I'm enjoying this thoroughly--don't spout off about risk and why its worth it for others to invest our money.

These fuckers have no skin in the game, and neither does Obama, but we the people do, and isn't it funny how we always seen to get ass raped sideways all day everyday and twice on Sundy everytime a commi moonbat wanna be capital allocator thinks they know more than the market itself.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

A look at the massive Obama landmark turd company's bankrupt manufacturing facility--never should have ever been built here in the US, ever:

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

Why is it an either or?

And subsidies to green energy tech are irrelevant when fossil fuels are more heavily subsidized. Stop with the tax breaks. Stop paying hostile foreign countries to sell us oil. Create a marketplace for emissions where private citizens are able to buy units.


Helping emerging tech companies get loans more cheaply seems to be good policy to me. When a few % your portfolio for a strategy is struggling, 'working as intended' is the proper response.


If Australia doesn't start opening up some heavy metal mining and China continues to restrict theirs we may need new strategies for almost all of our high-tech industries, not just solar.


Re-structure nuclear regulations to allow for breeder reactors. Push research into thorium-based nuclear power.


Use niche technologies when and where appropriate


Make zoning laws less restrictive (excepting heavy industry) so that people can commute on foot/bike/public transit



If you want to push innovation your first step has to be to cut off all subsidies to the obsolescent technologies. Until that happens green energy will, of course, fail.

Executive payed themselves right up until the time the company went belly up.

Nothing like raping and pillaging while the ship goes down is there?

Is there anyone that can't figure out why the Execs pleaded the 5th in front of Congress?

And all thanks to Barry Soetoro.



http://tommytoy.typepad.com/...d-to-scrimp-and.html

"I took a look at the document and it appears that executives were provided substantial bonuses at the same time that the firm was bleeding cash and soon to lay off 1,100 employees with little notice or continuing health care benefits.
Here are a few screen captures of the appalling lack of fiscal responsibility at this company."

Karen Alter, Senior Vice President of Marketing at Solyndra, received $55,000 on April 15, 2011 and $55,000 on July 8 to go along with her quarter-million-dollar salary. Ben Bierman picked up $60,000 on April 15 and another $60,000 on July 8 to supplement his $276,000 salary. Bierman was EVP of Operations and Engineering and was presenting cheery, optimistic PowerPoint obfuscation sessions as late as July, as well.



Wilbur Stover, Solyndra's CFO and a veteran of the Micron price-fixing scandal, had a $367,000 salary and also collected at least $120,000 in bonuses. He joined CEO Brian Harrison in pleading the Fifth Amendment while under congressional questioning.




Paula Camporaso, VP of Information Technology; Dave Sanat, Vice President of Supply Chain; and John Gaffney, Corporate Counsel were among the many Solyndrans also collecting substantial bonuses.

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

I didn't really read through your 20 page hate essay, I don't have time, but you are obviously very angry about the extra $50 or whatever you spent at the pump this month. And grants from the government don't come without strings as you suggest. You have to produce something to get that money, and show that what you've proposed works or if it doesn't then why. OK, I'm done with this thread.

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Oh yeah!

Yes, I hate wait people throw my money down the shitter, it pisses me off.

And no, these grants--whatever the that means--don't come with strings, they come with riders, which subordinate the public exposure so that money bundlers for Obama get first dibs in bankruptcy court after the likes of a Solydra green zombie companies are dead.

And as for the 20 pages, here it is in a nutshell:

Brazen theft of taxpapeyer money given to these crooks by Barack Hussein Obama (a.k.a Soetoro).

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"I really wish you would post more often. You always have some good stuff to say. I copied it below just in case someone missed it." BarryP to Chainpin on 10/21/06

Barack Obama reminds me of this guy, with all the excuses for why nothing's ever his fault:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFvujknrBuE

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"Politics is just show business for ugly people."

Dude. You need to bone up on how to put someone down. Comparing him to one of the coolest and funniest movies of all time isn't working for me.

My gosh, killing hundreds of thousands of people, is the best argument I have ever heard for government interference in business! It's brilliant.....

Now that we know what government do and are great at, why do you suppose we need more of it?

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You will remain the same person, before, during and after the race. So the result, no matter how important, will not define you. The journey is what matters. ~ Chrissie W.

Why is it an either or?

Certainly you can have private enterprise and governments both seeking solutions to a problem, but in that case the eventual solution won't be the one determined by level-playing-field competition, unless the government just happens to choose the same solution that the marketplace would have chosen.

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Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
I took the one less traveled by,
Which is probably why I was registering 59.67mi as I rolled into T2.