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Finally, Limbaugh screws himself
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Of all the vile lies he has ever said about people, and he has said a LOT of really vile lies, the one about the female law student is what is finally bringing him down? Advertisers are dropping him, and even the republican party is beating him up. Stupidity or brilliant marketing move for someone who has had ratings dropping for some time?

I am wondering if Sandra Fluke is going to have a really good defamation lawsuit? Her soon to be accomplished law studies are going to come in handy.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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He is a total ass...

My daughters needed to get on birth control at a young age due to ovarian cysts. To think they couldn't have gotten treatment they needed by insurance companies, that we paid for, is insane.

Those on the right, get it, people enjoy sex.

To Blunt, Scott Brown etc, get with the f'ing program we need the economy fixed
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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    hmmm, I heard him complain, and abuse Fluke, because she was in front of congress whining that the Catholic school she attends (on public scholarship) is not paying for contraceptives so that she can be sexually hyper-active. Is that right? You can never give enough for takers.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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Hyper sexual activity? LOL
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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By accepting the tuition she has to commit to very low pay district attorney or public defender work after graduation rather than joining a big law firm...
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Quel] [ In reply to ]
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Hyper sexual activity? LOL
:) Thanks, I've heard a few takes on the topic, left and right, but Limbaugh's added value was that he had his staff look at options she has for her budget number of a thousand dollars a year. My take is that I don't think the church or taxpayers owe it to women or men (viagra, cialis,etc) to support a recreational activity.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [steveandbarb1] [ In reply to ]
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steveandbarb1 wrote:


My daughters needed to get on birth control at a young age due to ovarian cysts. To think they couldn't have gotten treatment they needed by insurance companies, that we paid for, is insane.


It is normally covered, however if the employer doesn't want to cover it or your school does not want to cover it you have the choice to not apply there in both instances. You pay for your insurance under the premise, X, is covered. The schools and businesses that have this policy pay their insurance premium based on the fact that, X, is not covered, leading to a lower monthly insurance cost. All this mandate does is cause the insurance company to raise their overall premium so the business is going to be required to pay for it anyways. I however don't see why a business must be required to include anything when it comes to insurance since it is part of your total compensation. If the your total compensation package costs more to the business due to a requirement to insure for something they don't want to, they will just cut your total compensation somewhere else.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [steveandbarb1] [ In reply to ]
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steveandbarb1 wrote:
By accepting the tuition she has to commit to very low pay district attorney or public defender work after graduation rather than joining a big law firm...

Yeah, avg tuition is what, 40k per year, and she can't come up with a thousand dollars of her own so that she can have sex? No, she wants that given to her as well. I guess it should have been part of the tuition, as we all know that's part of college costs. lol
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [dave_w] [ In reply to ]
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I have not been following this story, but if some college girl needs $1,000 to have sex, I am sure there are plenty of Republicans that would give her the money.
Someone get her Elliot Spitzer's phone number.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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Rush who?
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [timboricki] [ In reply to ]
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   That's where Rush is probably in trouble, because he called her whore, slut, and the like, because she wants you and me to pay her for sex. I usually listen to less than 6-8 minutes of him a day on my way to work, and switch at the first commercial break, but he was cracking me up so I stayed and listened to the next segment. They ran the numbers of how many times per day she could have sex, using her 1k for various contraceptive methods. That part would have been plenty to make his point, without the harsh disparaging comments about Kluke.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [steveandbarb1] [ In reply to ]
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steveandbarb1 wrote:
By accepting the tuition she has to commit to very low pay district attorney or public defender work after graduation rather than joining a big law firm...

Oh, how sad...

What is it with people like her, and you I would guess who simply want someone else to pay for your way in life?
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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Grant.Reuter wrote:
steveandbarb1 wrote:


My daughters needed to get on birth control at a young age due to ovarian cysts. To think they couldn't have gotten treatment they needed by insurance companies, that we paid for, is insane.


It is normally covered, however if the employer doesn't want to cover it or your school does not want to cover it you have the choice to not apply there in both instances. You pay for your insurance under the premise, X, is covered. The schools and businesses that have this policy pay their insurance premium based on the fact that, X, is not covered, leading to a lower monthly insurance cost. All this mandate does is cause the insurance company to raise their overall premium so the business is going to be required to pay for it anyways. I however don't see why a business must be required to include anything when it comes to insurance since it is part of your total compensation. If the your total compensation package costs more to the business due to a requirement to insure for something they don't want to, they will just cut your total compensation somewhere else.

The problem is that you often will not know what you are going to require coverage for down the line, before you or your employer takes out the insurance. I'm glad the UK supplies treatment based on need, rather than based on having the right private insurance cover.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [steveandbarb1] [ In reply to ]
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steveandbarb1 wrote:
He is a total ass...

My daughters needed to get on birth control at a young age due to ovarian cysts. To think they couldn't have gotten treatment they needed by insurance companies, that we paid for, is insane.

Those on the right, get it, people enjoy sex.

To Blunt, Scott Brown etc, get with the f'ing program we need the economy fixed

Are you saying it's insane that you had to pay out of pocket for treatment that your insurance company wouldn't cover? The coverage that you were fully informed of when you agreed on your policy?

My insurance company if forced by my state to cover birth control for me. My wife and I are unable to conceive but I MUST PAY FOR birth control coverage. That's insane.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Philb] [ In reply to ]
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Philb wrote:
Grant.Reuter wrote:
steveandbarb1 wrote:


My daughters needed to get on birth control at a young age due to ovarian cysts. To think they couldn't have gotten treatment they needed by insurance companies, that we paid for, is insane.


It is normally covered, however if the employer doesn't want to cover it or your school does not want to cover it you have the choice to not apply there in both instances. You pay for your insurance under the premise, X, is covered. The schools and businesses that have this policy pay their insurance premium based on the fact that, X, is not covered, leading to a lower monthly insurance cost. All this mandate does is cause the insurance company to raise their overall premium so the business is going to be required to pay for it anyways. I however don't see why a business must be required to include anything when it comes to insurance since it is part of your total compensation. If the your total compensation package costs more to the business due to a requirement to insure for something they don't want to, they will just cut your total compensation somewhere else.


The problem is that you often will not know what you are going to require coverage for down the line, before you or your employer takes out the insurance. I'm glad the UK supplies treatment based on need, rather than based on having the right private insurance cover.

And in most of these cases everything is covered, more so than if you buy your own insurance because after waiting period preexisting conditions are covered. Birth control happens to be a very rare exception to the case. Furthermore, for the most part we haven't heard raging reports about people been denied coverage for needing BC for non-birth control reasons. A couple of this lady's friends doesn't mean the problem is widespread.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [timboricki] [ In reply to ]
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I have not been following this story, but if some college girl needs $1,000 to have sex, I am sure there are plenty of Republicans that would give her the money.
Someone get her Elliot Spitzer's phone number.

You are aware that Eliot Spitzer is a Democrat?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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This whole contraceptive issue has been manufactured by the Ds, starting with George Snuffleluffagus asking Romney about it at the start of a debate, out of the blue.

It's clear that Obama's poll numbers with the womens are bad.

You know, being that liberals are the smart ones I'm amazed at easily they are manipulated.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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It's clear that Obama's poll numbers with the womens are bad.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/...omen/article2357549/

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Indeed, an Associated Press poll released this week showed Mr. Obama leading Mr. Romney among women by 13 percentage points and topping Mr. Santorum by 16 points. The President was virtually tied with both Republicans among men.

and on a related note, i find it interesting that there's still a substantial section of the population that agrees with rush that regularly engaging in sexual activity invalidates a woman's opinion (specifically a woman's opinion). when it comes to men, though, it's ok if they fuck around a lot.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [tegra] [ In reply to ]
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Then clearly this charade is working (if the poll is an accurate reflection of the electorate).

See my comment on the easily manipulated.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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YaHey wrote:
Of all the vile lies he has ever said about people, and he has said a LOT of really vile lies, the one about the female law student is what is finally bringing him down? Advertisers are dropping him, and even the republican party is beating him up. Stupidity or brilliant marketing move for someone who has had ratings dropping for some time?

I am wondering if Sandra Fluke is going to have a really good defamation lawsuit? Her soon to be accomplished law studies are going to come in handy.

Dream on, this happens at least once a year. The left marches a full on assault usually calling him a racist, homophobic, misogynist, druggie .... This is to be expected, Rush is the most powerful person in the consevative world. He has been pounding the Republican establishment for a while because of their support for the moderate, so they are punching back. They are all trying to mute his power because we are heading into a big election. Once the Republican nominee is established, the Republicans will rally as one protecting each other and will focus on destroying Obama. This story like the others will blow over quickly.

As for the ratings drop, this is happening in all traditional media. I shouldn't have to explain why. Hint: The Internet, Podcast, Forums, 200 TV stations ...

The lie thing is funny too. If you have a problem with what he says call him up and debate him, he excepts those calls and lets you state your case. If you win the debate (with help from the main stream media) you will make national news. Good luck with that!
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy wrote:
Then clearly this charade is working (if the poll is an accurate reflection of the electorate).

See my comment on the easily manipulated.

ahh yes, i forgot.

vast hordes of women (it seems well over 50% of women in the united states) are incapable of logic because they have ovaries, a vagina, and they shed menstrual tissue out of it every so often it.

men, however, have a phallus that enables clear, enlightened thought.

i'll remember this next time i see a woman and be sure treat her accordingly.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [tegra] [ In reply to ]
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tegra wrote:
Duffy wrote:
Then clearly this charade is working (if the poll is an accurate reflection of the electorate).

See my comment on the easily manipulated.


ahh yes, i forgot.

vast hordes of women (it seems well over 50% of women in the united states) are incapable of logic because they have ovaries, a vagina, and they shed menstrual tissue out of it every so often it.

men, however, have a fallus that enables clear, enlightened thought.

i'll remember this next time i see a woman and be sure treat her accordingly.

Wow! You are a cliche machine. Congratulations.

Interesting that you would go there. Especially when I think nothing of the sort. I'm not particularly attracted to weak, illogical women (which this Fluke lady appears to be (wahhhh! pay for my birth control, whaaaaaa!)). I happen to be married to a very successful womens with a Ph.D. in paleontology. She is not a leftist, however. I guess that makes her a traitor.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Well we all know that anyone who chooses a degree in paleontology indicates they cannot be relied on for rational thinking. Ex-paleontologist here.

Curious what her specialty is though.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [jriosa] [ In reply to ]
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Paleobotany. Yep, fossilized flowering plants.

She's the (half) owner of our company. We service gas stations.

Edit to add: She just told me she's not wearing a bra today because she knew I'd like it. And she has knee pads on.

I'm living the dream.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Proves my point - paleobotany no less. Craziest guy I ever collaborated with was a paleobotanist (palynologist mostly). Jock McAndrews. Drove an old BSA motorcycle -- in Toronto -- in the winter -- in a kilt. Used to mow his lawn by moving his cage with guinea pigs in it around. See what I mean about rational.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [tegra] [ In reply to ]
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You can tell that you didn't listen to the hearings. They were about the infringement of the gov. towards religion. Not about a womens sex/health. That is what the Dems tried to make the hearings about.
She is/was not an expert on constitutional law. Which is what the hearings were about. That is why she was not qualified to give her 2 cents.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [timboricki] [ In reply to ]
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timboricki wrote:
I have not been following this story, but if some college girl needs $1,000 to have sex, I am sure there are plenty of Republicans that would give her the money.
Someone get her Elliot Spitzer's phone number.

Maybe, or trolling airport bathrooms!
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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If someone can't even afford birth control, how are they gonna afford to raise, and provide medical care for a bunch of unwanted kids?


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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My insurance company if forced by my state to cover birth control for me. My wife and I are unable to conceive but I MUST PAY FOR birth control coverage. That's insane.

You clearly don't understand the concept of "insurance." If you simply paid for what you needed at the time, it wouldn't be called insurance, it would be called paying for procedures yourself.

Insurance is a collective sharing the costs of unknown potential consequences. That's starkly different than paying for what you specifically need. Yes, in the example you gave above, you *must* pay for birth control coverage for someone else just like someone else *must* pay for you when you get cancer, or just like I *must* pay for a wounded Iraq soldier's medical procedure even though *I* didn't support us going to war, and *I* didn't sign up to go over there.

What muddies the waters in this whole debate are the concept of pre-existing conditions, and the fact that the insurance lobby along with the Republicans fucked this all up by trying to do it through private insurance.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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My insurance company if forced by my state to cover birth control for me. My wife and I are unable to conceive but I MUST PAY FOR birth control coverage. That's insane.


You clearly don't understand the concept of "insurance." If you simply paid for what you needed at the time, it wouldn't be called insurance, it would be called paying for procedures yourself.

Insurance is a collective sharing the costs of unknown potential consequences. That's starkly different than paying for what you specifically need. Yes, in the example you gave above, you *must* pay for birth control coverage for someone else just like someone else *must* pay for you when you get cancer, or just like I *must* pay for a wounded Iraq soldier's medical procedure even though *I* didn't support us going to war, and *I* didn't sign up to go over there.

What muddies the waters in this whole debate are the concept of pre-existing conditions, and the fact that the insurance lobby along with the Republicans fucked this all up by trying to do it through private insurance.

You always come to the conclusion that people "don't understand" when they are in disagreement with you. It's getting old. Even when I agree with you on something but come to that conclusion for different reasons you throw a hissy.

Now about insurance. I pay extra money for birth control coverage for my insurance policy. I don't want birth control coverage but I have to take it. If I had a choice I wouldn't get BC coverage. Their are lots of things I don't have coverage for (and don't pay for) because I don't want them. Prescriptions is one of them. I'm taking that risk. It's my choice.

I just want to buy the insurance coverage I think I need. Nothing more nothing less. I don't see why so many have a problem with that.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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If her cost estimates are correct she is one horny biatch!!!!!

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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If everyone was allowed to choose that finely about what they want or don't want in insurance it would begin to breakdown. Insurance is about collectivization of risk. The entire industry relies on you paying more in that you'll ever take out. How exactly will you pay for BC if your plan doesn't even cover prescriptions?
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Chuck M] [ In reply to ]
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If anyone would care to sign a petition that will be sent to Limbaugh's advertisers:

http://act.credoaction.com/...01-4210333-c1bGT%3Dx


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [link5485] [ In reply to ]
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link5485 wrote:
If everyone was allowed to choose that finely about what they want or don't want in insurance it would begin to breakdown. Insurance is about collectivization of risk. The entire industry relies on you paying more in that you'll ever take out. How exactly will you pay for BC if your plan doesn't even cover prescriptions?

Contraceptives are specifically required by law to be covered in all policies. So is mental health coverage. There are several mandated coverages. Each time they came into place I was informed of my new coverage and my new (increased) premiums.

I pay more auto insurance for my BMW than I did for my Toyota. Should I pay BMW prices for the Toyota? Should I be forced to buy a BMW?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [link5485] [ In reply to ]
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I don't understand why an insurance company would choose to not cover birth control. Covering Ambien, pain meds, and viagra are money sinks. No return on the investment. Covering birth control can prevent pregnancies which are huge money losers for the insurance company. Guaranteed doctors visits, imaging and at least one hospital stay, and that is for uncomplicated pregnancies. If I'm paying into an insurance policy I want it to cover birth control even if I don't personally use it. It's a financially sound insurance decision.

Jodi
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [chainpin] [ In reply to ]
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chainpin wrote:
If her cost estimates are correct she is one horny biatch!!!!!

You and rush seem to share the same misconception: you don't take a pill everytime you want to get off (have sex) that's what you do with Oxycotin everytime you want to get high. I can understand rush's confusion. What your is excuse? What a blowhard hypocritical piece of crap. He is lucky her father doesn't stomp a hole in his fat ass.

up!
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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You always come to the conclusion that people "don't understand" when they are in disagreement with you.

No I don't *always* come to that conclusion, but will admit that I *often* come to that conclusion with you, and it has more to do with the content of your post than the simple fact that it is a "disagreement."

Kind of an ironic (see my last comment on the other thread) lead in considering your self ascribed reputation of being insightful and writing posts that "get people to think."

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you throw a hissy

I don't throw hissies. I much more cold and calculating than that.

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Now about insurance. I pay extra money for birth control coverage for my insurance policy. I don't want birth control coverage but I have to take it. If I had a choice I wouldn't get BC coverage. Their are lots of things I don't have coverage for (and don't pay for) because I don't want them. Prescriptions is one of them. I'm taking that risk. It's my choice.

I just want to buy the insurance coverage I think I need. Nothing more nothing less. I don't see why so many have a problem with that.

I should have added earlier the concept of UNIVERSAL coverage that also throws a monkey wrench into the mix. This is exactly why there is a mandate to *require* certain coverages of people whether an individual needs it or not.

As I said earlier, *I* don't need coverage for damage caused by stepping on mines since I don't live in an area infested with mines, yet I have always been required to pay for people who do. I also don't get to opt out of this for religious beliefs.

We've always had taxes that pay for things that certain individuals will never use, and there's nothing insane about it.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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Taxes and health insurance are two different things (for now).

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Based on this I would expect you to start a thread whining about the cost of mental health cost with your insurance. Oh wait, you probably opted out of that coverage with your pick and choose plan.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [lacticacid] [ In reply to ]
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> That is what the Dems tried to make the hearings about. She is/was not an expert on constitutional law. Which is what the hearings were about. That is why she was not qualified to give her 2 cents.[/quote]
A citizen shouldn't be allowed to speak before Congress unless they're considered an expert on constitutional law? That's fairly elitist. Not many members of *Congress* are experts on constitutional law. (not meant as a slight - they're just not).
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Jodi] [ In reply to ]
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Jodi wrote:
I don't understand why an insurance company would choose to not cover birth control. Covering Ambien, pain meds, and viagra are money sinks. No return on the investment. Covering birth control can prevent pregnancies which are huge money losers for the insurance company. Guaranteed doctors visits, imaging and at least one hospital stay, and that is for uncomplicated pregnancies. If I'm paying into an insurance policy I want it to cover birth control even if I don't personally use it. It's a financially sound insurance decision.

Jodi

Well stated, from a logical POV, but as someone pointed out, she's complaining about a religious institution not paying for something they do not support for religious reasons.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [trail] [ In reply to ]
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You bet and still true. That is why you have hearings. To find out facts. Not to derail.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Goblue#1] [ In reply to ]
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I'm not allowed to "opt out". I would if I could.

When I bought coverage they ask if I wanted dental coverage. If I say yes it cost more. I said no. I want to go to the dentist of my choosing and I pay cash for it.

How is that any different?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [trail] [ In reply to ]
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Looking at the panel of five they had I would wager a guess none of them meet your criteria regarding constitutional law.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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I am saying that if you have to pay for contraception by law and you are bitching about than you should also start bitching about the mental health you are required to pay for.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Goblue#1] [ In reply to ]
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Goblue#1 wrote:
I am saying that if you have to pay for contraception by law and you are bitching about than you should also start bitching about the mental health you are required to pay for.

This thread is about contraception.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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You get to choose what car you drive. You don't get the same freedom with health problems.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Goblue#1] [ In reply to ]
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The difference is he knows hes not going to need the birth control. He doesnt know if he will need the mental health so you leave it on.

Its like a deductable in some sense, i know i can cover the first thousand so I pay less than someone per month who couldnt cover the first thousand.

Its not complicated.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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There are many different reasons one would need to have contraception on their insurance, we never know just like we never know if we will need to use mental health coverage.

You are right in one regard it is not that difficult, you should understand this.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [link5485] [ In reply to ]
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You get to choose what car you drive. You don't get the same freedom with health problems.

But I should be able to choose what insurance coverage I want.

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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The difference is he knows hes not going to need the birth control. He doesnt know if he will need the mental health so you leave it on.

Its like a deductable in some sense, i know i can cover the first thousand so I pay less than someone per month who couldnt cover the first thousand.

Its not complicated.

I have both mental health coverage and contraception coverage. I don't want either of them. My insurer is forced to provide it and I must pay a higher premium because of it.

Goblue#1 thinks I need to start a thread about mental health coverage. I don't really know why. Maybe he thinks I started this thread? I'm at a loss. I don't want to start a thread about mental health coverage and I won't do so until there is a government mandate that all Duffys must start threads about mental health coverage.

Maybe I'll start a thread complaining that insurers must provide coverage (at no charge) for personal lubricant because I masturbate a lot. I'm paying about $1,000 per year for KY Jelly. If I don't have my KY I'll get chaffed and that's going to cost society much much more than just providing me with lube. Sometimes I have to choose between lube and feeding my child. My lube must be paid for by other people.

Why do so many people want to starve children?

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

- Chinese proverb
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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Of all the vile lies he has ever said about people, and he has said a LOT of really vile lies, the one about the female law student is what is finally bringing him down? Advertisers are dropping him, and even the republican party is beating him up. Stupidity or brilliant marketing move for someone who has had ratings dropping for some time?

I am wondering if Sandra Fluke is going to have a really good defamation lawsuit? Her soon to be accomplished law studies are going to come in handy.

I think that she would have a hard time proving damages in this case; however, with Rush's money it would probably be cheaper to settle than to fight the suit.
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" But I should be able to choose what insurance coverage I want."

Only to a certain extent. You get to select some levels of coverage but not all. Some are mandated.

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" If her cost estimates are correct she is one horny biatch!!!!!"

Do you understand how contraceptives are used and how they work?

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I have both mental health coverage and contraception coverage. I don't want either of them. My insurer is forced to provide it and I must pay a higher premium because of it.

1. How much more are you paying for this coverage?
2. Isn't it your employer that is choosing the coverage in your plan?
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Fatmouse wrote:
" But I should be able to choose what insurance coverage I want."

Only to a certain extent. You get to select some levels of coverage but not all. Some are mandated.

No shit?

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I have both mental health coverage and contraception coverage. I don't want either of them. My insurer is forced to provide it and I must pay a higher premium because of it.

1. How much more are you paying for this coverage?
2. Isn't it your employer that is choosing the coverage in your plan?

1. I'd have to dig a little to get that figure. It was years ago that this happened.

2. I am my employer. The state of CA has mandated some items to be covered that I am not interested in.

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Having a post menopausal wife, I'm down with the KY coverage.

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last tri in 83 wrote:
Having a post menopausal wife, I'm down with the KY coverage.

Let's call congress!

We'll start an advocacy group.

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So Rush apologized already, what the fuck is the big deal?

This sex addict (loose woman) put her shit out there in front of Congress, asking the American people to fund her no strings attached sex life and then cried when someone called her out on it.

Rush was just calling it like it is, but I understand why he had to apologize.

In any event, this chick needs to stop spreading her legs so much and get a life.

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Things would have been a great deal more simple if that was the way things had gone, but people don't really get a choice when most of them get their insurance through their employer. If people are basically going to be forced into choosing a plan from their employer I would rather it be overly inclusive than exclusive. Now if you want to eliminate the tax break that insurance plans (i.e. they aren't taxed like income) so that employment and insurance become decoupled then I could see making an argument that people should just choose their own plan. Most people aren't in that position though.
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I just want to know where the outrage was from Yahey and others when Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a cunt?

Membah dat?




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Things would have been a great deal more simple if that was the way things had gone, but people don't really get a choice when most of them get their insurance through their employer. If people are basically going to be forced into choosing a plan from their employer I would rather it be overly inclusive than exclusive. Now if you want to eliminate the tax break that insurance plans (i.e. they aren't taxed like income) so that employment and insurance become decoupled then I could see making an argument that people should just choose their own plan. Most people aren't in that position though.

I am my employer. I have employees and I provide medical insurance for them. I do not force them to take it. If my employees don't like the plan they can get their own. I would pay them the money I save by not providing that insurance. My insurance company is forced by the state to include certain things in all of their plans that I would rather not be covered for (and have to pay for).

Nobody is forced to buy insurance, yet, but will be soon unless the SCOTUS decides otherwise. It will be force coming from the Federal Government, not from employers. I cannot force any of my employees to do anything.

I would have no problem decoupling employment from insurance.

I remember a time when I'd go to the doctor and pay $125 for the visit. If I needed follow up (for example, I had a cyst removed from my head) the insurance would kick in and pay 80% of the bill for the cyst removal.

Same thing when I blew my shoulder out. Went to the Doc. Paid $125 for the visit. Had X-rays done and paid $250 for that. It was determined I needed surgery and insurance paid 80%. My premiums IIRC were around $50 per month.

Here's the thing - I almost never go to the doctor. I haven't seen a doctor in about 8 years. All I want is insurance for a catastrophe. I don't want birth control, I don't want Viagra, I don't want mental health coverage, I don't want a sex change.

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So Rush apologized already, what the fuck is the big deal?

Why are you asking me?

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Taxes and health insurance are two different things (for now).


Is a lot closer to the concept of a tax than it is the concept of you freely purchasing something on the free market. Remember, this is a law that has mandated certain requirements to businesses, insurance companies, health care providers, and individuals.

The purpose of it is to "cover everyone." This means the *you* have to pay for someone else's services if they can't afford it, or if by some chance you fall in hard times, someone else pays for stuff that you can't afford. This is a pretty simple answer to the "why should I have to pay for something that I don't benefit from?" question.

You have to pay for someone else's ovarian cyst treatment just like you would have to pay for my wife's diabetes (type I) treatment if she fell on hard times, just like we'll have to pay for your cancer treatment. Yes, under the former free market system, you could opt to pay for the risk of cancer, or opt out of it and save money, but if you were to, say, lose your wife and your job and find yourself in a position where you can't afford insurance, you wouldn't have the choice. You would simply opt out. You get cancer, you're fucked. Under the new system (supposedly), *I* pay to keep you alive, and I'm more than happy to do it as is most of the rest of the civilized world.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [chainpin] [ In reply to ]
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So Rush apologized already, what the fuck is the big deal?

Rush has not apologized, and in fact has continued his defamation of a private citizen. I hope he gets his assed sued to the maximum.

It's one thing to disagree with an issue, it's another to call someone vile names just because you have a microphone in front of you.

Why are you defending Rush?
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"The purpose of it is to "cover everyone." This means the *you* have to pay for someone else's services if they can't afford it, or if by some chance you fall in hard times, someone else pays for stuff that you can't afford. This is a pretty simple answer to the "why should I have to pay for something that I don't benefit from?" question. "

Regardless of whether you opt to have contraception coverage for yourself or not, your money still goes into the collective pot to pay for everyone's stuff. There's no reason why any specific person has to have coverage for contraception for this idea to work.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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You and rush seem to share the same misconception: you don't take a pill everytime you want to get off (have sex) that's what you do with Oxycotin everytime you want to get high. I can understand rush's confusion. What your is excuse? What a blowhard hypocritical piece of crap. He is lucky her father doesn't stomp a hole in his fat ass.

up!

I'm no fan of Rush in most cases but the idea that contraception is expensive is a made up non issue.

The pill costs 15-50$ a month depending on type. The number my wife gave me that they used at the health department was 28$ a month.

If you don't need the pill for other medical issues there are even cheaper forms of birth control for long term use.

If you're worried about "Safe sex", I'd bet dollars to donuts she can get all the free condoms she can handle from the county health department and or even her own college.


Total cost to her, max, 600$ a year, likely closer to 300$ or less.
If she is truly "Low income" planned parent hood will also cover the cost of her initial exam as well as the cost of the birth control pills.

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YaHey wrote:
So Rush apologized already, what the fuck is the big deal?

Rush has not apologized, and in fact has continued his defamation of a private citizen. I hope he gets his assed sued to the maximum.

It's one thing to disagree with an issue, it's another to call someone vile names just because you have a microphone in front of you.

Why are you defending Rush?


He was dumb for calling her a slut/prostitute, but his point is still valid, as this promiscuous sex addict wants US to pay for her lifestyle--that is bullshit.

For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.
I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone’s bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.
My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.

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chainpin wrote:
YaHey wrote:
So Rush apologized already, what the fuck is the big deal?

Rush has not apologized, and in fact has continued his defamation of a private citizen. I hope he gets his assed sued to the maximum.

It's one thing to disagree with an issue, it's another to call someone vile names just because you have a microphone in front of you.

Why are you defending Rush?



He was dumb for calling her a slut/prostitute, but his point is still valid, as this promiscuous sex addict wants US to pay for her lifestyle--that is bullshit.

For over 20 years, I have illustrated the absurd with absurdity, three hours a day, five days a week. In this instance, I chose the wrong words in my analogy of the situation. I did not mean a personal attack on Ms. Fluke.
I think it is absolutely absurd that during these very serious political times, we are discussing personal sexual recreational activities before members of Congress. I personally do not agree that American citizens should pay for these social activities. What happened to personal responsibility and accountability? Where do we draw the line? If this is accepted as the norm, what will follow? Will we be debating if taxpayers should pay for new sneakers for all students that are interested in running to keep fit?In my monologue, I posited that it is not our business whatsoever to know what is going on in anyone’s bedroom nor do I think it is a topic that should reach a Presidential level.
My choice of words was not the best, and in the attempt to be humorous, I created a national stir. I sincerely apologize to Ms. Fluke for the insulting word choices.

I am confused. Since when does not wanting to conceive a child = promiscuous sex addict? I had some girlfriends in college that were on contraceptives and I wasn't living the porn star lifestyle!
My now wife and I didn't want kids for a while so she was on birth control (we were trying to be responsible people at the time). That made her a slut?
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You realize that she was never arguing for promiscous sex, don't you? She was arguing for contraception for health reasons - like cancer. It is only that fat fuk Limbaugh that has taken it upon himself to call this private woman every vulgar name in the book. What is wrong with that person?
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"You realize that she was never arguing for promiscous sex, don't you?"

Stop trying to reason with chainpin. It's a fool's errand. On the one hand he claims he meant no insult to the girl. Directly preceding that, he calls her a promiscuous sex addict. There is no rhyme or reason to his thought process.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [M~] [ In reply to ]
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M~ wrote:
I am confused. Since when does not wanting to conceive a child = promiscuous sex addict? I had some girlfriends in college that were on contraceptives and I wasn't living the porn star lifestyle!
My now wife and I didn't want kids for a while so she was on birth control (we were trying to be responsible people at the time). That made her a slut?

I was gonna say. Most girls I've dated have been on some form of birth control. Now that I know they were promiscuous sex addicts... I really have to wonder why I wasn't getting more.
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The option to opt out of health insurance from your employer and buy your own or none isn't an option available to everyone. Personally I think the easiest way out of this is to discourage employers providing health insurance and to raise wages. Then people can buy whatever plan they want.
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> Then people can buy whatever plan they want.

I don't think so. Insurance providers are heavily regulated, and have requirements for coverage. For example, you probably can't go into the insurance business and offer a plan that doesn't include coverage for a broken leg. I could be wrong, but I think there's a long list of treatments that you're required to cover to go into business at all. Much of this regulation, I believe, is state regulation, not national, though.

I agree that the employer-provided model is kind of dumb.
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link5485 wrote:
The option to opt out of health insurance from your employer and buy your own or none isn't an option available to everyone. Personally I think the easiest way out of this is to discourage employers providing health insurance and to raise wages. Then people can buy whatever plan they want.

I don't know how many different ways I can say this. I buy my own fucking insurance. The state requires that my insurance provider covers certain things (none of which are free). Some of these required coverages are for things I don't want coverage for.

I cannot "buy whatever plan" I want.

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YaHey wrote:
You realize that she was never arguing for promiscous sex, don't you? She was arguing for contraception for health reasons - like cancer. It is only that fat fuk Limbaugh that has taken it upon himself to call this private woman every vulgar name in the book. What is wrong with that person?


Dude birth control is like $10 a month.

She says she drained her savings to pay for birth control, some $3,000 worth over 3 years (she's a sex addict and a financial idiot.)

What the hell did she buy a gold and diamond encrusted chastity belt?

She's a sex addict that needs help--hopeful she gets treatment for her affliction.

Maybe if she wasn't getting laid so much she would read up on the latest and most cost effective contraception choices: including birth control pills, patches, caps, rings, shots, diaphragms, implants, spermicides (foam, jelly, cream, film), male condoms, female condoms, morning-after pills, Depo-Provera, IUDs, pulling out, tubal ligation etc.

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Sandra Fluke -- a piece of work... or more likely a fake.

The interesting part of the story is the ever-evolving “coed”. I put that in quotes because in the beginning she was described as a Georgetown law student. It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate. In one of her first interviews she is quoted as talking about how she reviewed Georgetown’s insurance policy prior to committing to attend, and seeing that it didn’t cover contraceptive services, she decided to attend with the express purpose of battling this policy. During this time, she was described as a 23-year-old coed. Magically, at the same time Congress is debating the forced coverage of contraception, she appears and is even brought to Capitol Hill to testify. This morning, in an interview with Matt Lauer on the Today show, it was revealed that she is 30 years old, NOT the 23 that had been reported all along.


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>It was then revealed that prior to attending Georgetown she was an active women’s right advocate.

Oh the HORROR! Not just a women's rights advocate, but the worst kind - an active women's rights advocate.


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Not "horror" ... ho.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [bocephus] [ In reply to ]
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>Not "horror" ... ho.

DAMN that's clever!


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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That is a good point. Every moment the news can direct their focus off the economy, its a win for the Dem's.

Now Rush did go too far with the personal attacks, he could have remained tactful and added a dose of humor, but went the wrong direction.
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Regardless of whether you opt to have contraception coverage for yourself or not, your money still goes into the collective pot to pay for everyone's stuff. There's no reason why any specific person has to have coverage for contraception for this idea to work.


Yes, that was pretty much the point I was trying to make. Duffy was arguing that it is "insane" that he should have to pay for something that he personally does not benefit from.

Fundamentally that only makes sense if one is of the strictest persuasion of libertarians. Most of us accept that all the time we have to pay for things that we don;t personally benefit from, just as most of us at one time or another personally benefit from things that we don;t pay for. It's part of living in a society. The question is, should health care be one of those things. My personal opinion is yes, and I also personally think that someone shouldn't get to opt out of paying for it for religious reasons, (just like I don't get to not pay for certain military actions, etc. and claim religious opposition to it).

Duffy isn't religious, so his position is simply, "if *I* don't get anything out of it, then *I* don't want to pay for it!"

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what is really going to piss you off is that Rush always emerges from these controversies smelling like a Rose


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I've said this before but here goes...

There are a lot of things that insurance companies do cover that I don't have coverage for (prescription drug coverage is one). They offer but I chose not to get it because of the expense. They offered two types of prescription coverage, generic coverage and full coverage. I have neither and my premiums are lower because. No one seems to have a problem with that.

All I'm asking is why can't contraception be treated the same? Why do I have to have contraception coverage specifically mandated?

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Sancho wrote:
what is really going to piss you off is that Rush always emerges from these controversies smelling like a Rose

I've never really been inclined to smell him. I bet he has old guy breath.

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You know, there are a lot more reasons to go on hormonal birth control than just avoiding pregnancy. When I was in my late teens/early20s and not getting any, I was seriously considering going on the pill for some really nasty PMS problems- vomiting to dry heave stage on the first day of my cycle was common. (Ended up not doing it because I was concerned about the possibility for weight gain.)

Spermicides and condoms wouldn't have helped my PMS problems. And just any random BC pill isn't necessarily going to fix that kind of problem without causing side effects that the woman decides are worse than the problem.
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chainpin wrote:
So Rush apologized already, what the fuck is the big deal?

This sex addict (loose woman) put her shit out there in front of Congress, asking the American people to fund her no strings attached sex life and then cried when someone called her out on it.

Rush was just calling it like it is, but I understand why he had to apologize.

In any event, this chick needs to stop spreading her legs so much and get a life.

You can read her testimony here: http://abcnews.go.com/...ad-2nd%20hearing.pdf

She never once mentioned herself or her sex life in regards to needing contraception. Also, the $3000 figure that has everybody up in arms is her estimate of the cost of birth control for a persons term as a law student at Georgetown. I believe that is three years?

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I think Rush actually helped this lady's cause. I would never have even heard of her or her congressional testimony if not for this blow-up.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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Not really. Bill Maher called Palin the "c" word and Obama didn't even blink. It's just business entertainment as usual and Rush is laughing all the way to the bank.
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Your going to be ending up in shit's creek if you come down with diabetes (insulin 120.00 per vile), cancer or a chronic disease. If you were to come down with testicular cancer, why should a woman bother paying for that in their coverage....because it is insurance covering a whole pool. Just like car insurance, you don't cover the left side of the car but not the right side.
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Gurudriver10 wrote:
Not really. Bill Maher called Palin the "c" word and Obama didn't even blink. It's just business entertainment as usual and Rush is laughing all the way to the bank.

I wonder how many of Limbaugh's hardcore fans realize that the #1 thing he wants is another 4 years of Obama.
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Your going to be ending up in shit's creek if you come down with diabetes (insulin 120.00 per vile), cancer or a chronic disease.

Total cost for my kid for diabetes is around what most people pay for a car payment, alot less than many.

Insulin, both types, test strips ~300$-350$ a month. Since I have a 2500$ HSA deductible I pay 100% of that up to 2500$ and 20% of that after that.

Never heard anyone claim you're going to be "Up a shit creek" because you have a car payment, not sure why you would be with diabetes.

Since we're new to this, he was diagnosed in December last year, we are looking at ways to cut cost. Insulin really isn't the expensive portion, especially if you keep a healthy weight and eat halfway healthy. The expensive part is the test strips and or continuous monitoring. That is partially due to the fact that the things have gold in them.

Each strip costs us ~1$ a piece and we test anywhere from 5-8 times a day. I'm currently looking at ordering these online and by all appearances this will drive the cost down by ~40%-50%. This means that our monthly cost would be closer to ~250$ a month.

Yep it's a crap load of money, no doubt and if you're in a very low income bracket without any insurance you're going to need help covering the cost. That being said I'm not making big coin by any means, but could cover the cost, if I had to, with a part time job.

Fact of the matter is that most people simply don't want to pay for their health care, they want someone else to.

Birth control as a "Cost" is simply a ridiculous argument. You can get the pill free if you meet federal requirements, plus the exam, from planned parent hood, many community hospitals and even many college campuses. Condoms are free from just about every county health department and most colleges hand them out like candy.

If you get "Stuck" paying for it yourself, you're looking at 20-50$ a month, less than the cost of what many college kids are spending on Starbucks.

NONE of this deals with the real problem which is the actual COST of health care, it merely transfers the cost.

No way in hell that those plastic tests strips cost anywhere near 1$ to make, package, deliver and sell. I'd venture to guess that 80% of the cost is liability, paperwork mandated by state/federal agencies and the fact that market is "Controlled" largely by the insurance companies and pharma companies working with these government agencies. I can pick up a 500GB hard drive for the cost 50 of these strips...tell me that's not fucked.

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Are you saying it's insane that you had to pay out of pocket for treatment that your insurance company wouldn't cover? The coverage that you were fully informed of when you agreed on your policy?

My insurance company if forced by my state to cover birth control for me. My wife and I are unable to conceive but I MUST PAY FOR birth control coverage. That's insane.

Boo hoo

Then move to Ontario and get some publically funded IVF and have yourselves a youngling <end pink> do you want a bunch of low income single mothers each having an average of 4 kids each? Some things are for the greater good.

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Are you saying it's insane that you had to pay out of pocket for treatment that your insurance company wouldn't cover? The coverage that you were fully informed of when you agreed on your policy?

My insurance company if forced by my state to cover birth control for me. My wife and I are unable to conceive but I MUST PAY FOR birth control coverage. That's insane.


Boo hoo

Then move to Ontario and get some publically funded IVF and have yourselves a youngling <end pink> do you want a bunch of low income single mothers each having an average of 4 kids each? Some things are for the greater good.

if they're low income they already qualify to get the stuff free. If the stuff dug up on this lady is factual, she set out to cause a row like this at a religious institution. She also probably committed fraud in agreeing up front to policy, knowing she was there to work against it along with getting her free law degree.
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Should not matter if its religious or not.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [steveandbarb1] [ In reply to ]
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Your going to be ending up in shit's creek if you come down with diabetes (insulin 120.00 per vile), cancer or a chronic disease.

I wouldn't go so far as to say "shit's creek", but I'd have to adjust.

That would be my problem, now wouldn't it? You see, I don't expect (nor do I want) you to pay for my decision to opt out of drug coverage.

I'm taking that risk. It's none of your business.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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How sad that this guy has any audience.... Speaks volumes about the moral bankruptcy of the religious right and Limbaugh.

And, how did sex get into this discussion? She didn't tell Congress she needed birth control pills to have lots of sex. There are several other reasons why women take birth control pills.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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"Duffy was arguing that it is "insane" that he should have to pay for something that he personally does not benefit from. "

That's not really what Duffy has been saying. He's been saying that he shouldn't be required to pay for himself to have that coverage if he doesn't want it. I think he understands that his money goes into the pot to help pay for everyone else's insurance choices. He just doesn't want to be forced to pay extra for contraception coverage for his own policy.

I think you're misinterpreting what he's said.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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"Duffy was arguing that it is "insane" that he should have to pay for something that he personally does not benefit from. "

That's not really what Duffy has been saying. He's been saying that he shouldn't be required to pay for himself to have that coverage if he doesn't want it. I think he understands that his money goes into the pot to help pay for everyone else's insurance choices. He just doesn't want to be forced to pay extra for contraception coverage for his own policy.

I think you're misinterpreting what he's said.

Well, Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick! Someone actually read what I wrote with out bringing their own baggage to it.

I bow to you in humble thanks.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [slowguy] [ In reply to ]
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Duffy, unfortunately, does not understand the concept of pooling of risk in insurance. There's a ton of coverage that he pays for that he may not want want, but which he may someday need.
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Well, Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick! Someone actually read what I wrote with out bringing their own baggage to it.

I bow to you in humble thanks.

The reason why you can't "buy whatever plan you want," is because of the preexisting condition laws. The reason for these laws is that you lose your job, you lose your insurance. You get cancer and need treatment, you then look for insurance to cover it, so companies refuse to cover your preexisting condition.

With that in place, if you were allowed to simply buy whatever coverage you wanted, then why would anyone ever pay to have contraceptives covered? You would just simply wait until your wife got ovarian cysts, and then add that to your plan. But when you do that, it's not insurance anymore. It's just paying for what you need at the time you need it.

Again, in any other country civilized country, its just covered and you pay taxes. I've already covered why we have this f'ed up system.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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"Duffy, unfortunately, does not understand the concept of pooling of risk in insurance. There's a ton of coverage that he pays for that he may not want want, but which he may someday need. "

There are also tons of insurance coverages that you might someday wish you had, but that you're not required to pay for. The question is, why is contraception in the required category?

Slowguy

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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Well, Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick! Someone actually read what I wrote with out bringing their own baggage to it.

I bow to you in humble thanks.


The reason why you can't "buy whatever plan you want," is because of the preexisting condition laws. The reason for these laws is that you lose your job, you lose your insurance. You get cancer and need treatment, you then look for insurance to cover it, so companies refuse to cover your preexisting condition.

With that in place, if you were allowed to simply buy whatever coverage you wanted, then why would anyone ever pay to have contraceptives covered? You would just simply wait until your wife got ovarian cysts, and then add that to your plan. But when you do that, it's not insurance anymore. It's just paying for what you need at the time you need it.

Again, in any other country civilized country, its just covered and you pay taxes. I've already covered why we have this f'ed up system.

I am my employer and I pay for my own plan.

If I don't want coverage for a particular thing (dental, for instance) I don't have to get it. If all my teeth fall out I have to pay out of pocket for new teeth. Apparently that's ok with almost everyone.

WHY DO I HAVE TO GET COVERAGE FOR CONTRACEPTIVES!!!!!!???????????


This is the last fucking time I'm asking this question!!!! Contraceptives! Contraceptives! Contraceptives! Why? Why? Why? Why am I not forced to get dental coverage? Why am I not forced to get coverage for eye glasses? Why am not forced to get covered for all other prescription drugs except for The Pill?


Jesus Fuck, Barry, answer that! What makes contraception so special? Fuck. Fuck. Fuck!

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [roddybottum] [ In reply to ]
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Not really. Bill Maher called Palin the "c" word and Obama didn't even blink. It's just business entertainment as usual and Rush is laughing all the way to the bank.


I wonder how many of Limbaugh's hardcore fans realize that the #1 thing he wants is another 4 years of Obama.

That's so true! However, he will always find stupid LibTards in any time frame. They're such easy targets!
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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"What makes contraception so special? Fuck."

Exactly.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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Jesus Fuck, Barry, answer that! What makes contraception so special? Fuck. Fuck. Fuck!

Well, there's four answers. 1) the one I just explained to you. If you can opt out of coverage, it would make sense simply to opt out of any and all coverage and then just buy insurance when you need it. Don't pay for cancer coverage, then if you get cancer, start paying for the insurance. You'll save a lot of money that way! Same thing with ovarian cysts.

2) the one I explained earlier. If you can simply pay for insurance for what you are personally at risk for, it shifts the burden heavily onto those that are less fortunate. That's not how universal coverage is supposed to work.. *Everyone* is supposed to be covered regardless of their health. You aren't "buying a plan for yourself." You are sharing in a plan that covers a pool of people. So you pay for contraceptives just like others pay for diabetes (for example, *I* am pretty certain I will never personally get type I diabetes, but I have to pay for a plan that would cover me if I do).

3) the one Jodi explained earlier. It's cheaper to cover contraception than it is to cover babies, which is one reason why the government is pushing for it.

4) It's a political wedge issue that the right is shooting themselves in the foot over. Score one more for team Obama. It's about the economy, stupid, unless you can make it about religion, gays, and birth control.

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1) the one I just explained to you. If you can opt out of coverage, it would make sense simply to opt out of any and all coverage and then just buy insurance when you need it. Don't pay for cancer coverage, then if you get cancer, start paying for the insurance. You'll save a lot of money that way! Same thing with ovarian cysts.

I can opt out of plenty of things (eye glasses coverage). My premiums are lower because I don't choose that coverage. If I need glasses I pay cash. That's the risk I take. I'm not forced to take eye glass coverage. Nobody seems to have a problem with that.

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2) the one I explained earlier. If you can simply pay for insurance for what you are personally at risk for, it shifts the burden heavily onto those that are less fortunate. That's not how universal coverage is supposed to work.. *Everyone* is supposed to be covered regardless of their health. You aren't "buying a plan for yourself." You are sharing in a plan that covers a pool of people. So you pay for contraceptives just like others pay for diabetes (for example, *I* am pretty certain I will never personally get type I diabetes, but I have to pay for a plan that would cover me if I do).

See above.

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3) the one Jodi explained earlier. It's cheaper to cover contraception than it is to cover babies, which is one reason why the government is pushing for it.

That should be between me and my insurance company.

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4) It's a political wedge issue that the right is shooting themselves in the foot over. Score one more for team Obama. It's about the economy, stupid, unless you can make it about religion, gays, and birth control.

Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [MJuric] [ In reply to ]
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My wife's costs not including insurance are about $7,000 a year. Many of us could cover that, but it's nothing to sneeze at for a great portion of our country. Consider that the median income is somewhere in the $40-$50K ball park.

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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That should be between me and my insurance company.

Okay, then my very first post to you still stands. You don't get it.

If you are opposed to universal coverage, then make an argument about being opposed to universal coverage. As I said earlier, you don't get to decide what you do or do not get to cover just like I can't opt out of supporting a War in the middle east. Welcome to civilization!

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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Um, you don't get it.

We don't have "universal coverage" in this country (yet). I don't have to have health insurance at all (yet).

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Um, you don't get it.

We don't have "universal coverage" in this country (yet). I don't have to have health insurance at all (yet).

Once again you are being obtuse.

"Why do I have to do things that are like universal coverage?" Because they are trying to make it universal coverage. This is really not at all a difficult concept.

Instead of playing dumb, just come right out and say you are against universal coverage and don't like it that they are trying to move in that direction.

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Um, you don't get it.

We don't have "universal coverage" in this country (yet). I don't have to have health insurance at all (yet).


Once again you are being obtuse.

"Why do I have to do things that are like universal coverage?" Because they are trying to make it universal coverage. This is really not at all a difficult concept.

Instead of playing dumb, just come right out and say you are against universal coverage and don't like it that they are trying to move in that direction.


This thread isn't about universal coverage. It's about Limbaugh and his comments about a woman who wants other people to pay for her birth control.

I would seem fairly obvious that I'm not interested in having "universal coverage". Since you're apparently so smart I didn't think I'd actually have to say (in my best public speaking voice and doing a soft hand chopping motion on the Lavender Room podium (a la Bill Clinton)) "I am against universal, single payer, health coverage".

You keep saying I don't understand "insurance". Sorry buddy, I do understand it. We do not have universal coverage. In your "explanation" of "how insurance works" you are giving a scenario in which we have universal coverage. But we don't. I'm dealing with how insurance actually works at this time, not how some would like it to "work" in the future.

BTW, I understand fully how universal coverage is suppose to work. I think our disconnect here is that you are talking about a system that isn't currently used and I am talking about the system we are actually using.

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....... I am talking about the system we are actually using.



DuffY: "Why does the system that we are currently using not resemble the system we are currently using, but instead resemble the way the government is intending it to now be used?"



I'm pretty sure you don't really know what system you are talking about.

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....... I am talking about the system we are actually using.




DuffY: "Why does the system that we are currently using not resemble the system we are currently using, but instead resemble the way the government is intending it to now be used?"



I'm pretty sure you don't really know what system you are talking about.

What the fuck are you talking about?

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....... I am talking about the system we are actually using.




DuffY: "Why does the system that we are currently using not resemble the system we are currently using, but instead resemble the way the government is intending it to now be used?"



I'm pretty sure you don't really know what system you are talking about.


What the fuck are you talking about?

Does anyone here know what the fuck Barry is talking about?

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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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He is saying that you generally dont get to choose medical insurance a la carte, whether that means contraception or chemotherapy. I think. Maybe.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Quel] [ In reply to ]
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He is saying that you generally dont get to choose medical insurance a la carte, whether that means contraception or chemotherapy. I think. Maybe.

Yes, I know you don't get to choose. That's been my whole frigging point. We don't get a choice on some things. I don't like it. I have been trying to get people to explain the reasoning behind one thing being forced (The Pill) and other things not being forced (eye glasses). All I get from Barry is "you don't understand insurance because you're stupid".

I have found in my experience with dealing with people that the ones who are quick to call others stupid are usually the dumbest people in the room.

I know Barry is educated (because he states his credentials on here often) but educated does not always equal smart. Just sayin'.

I've never met Barry. He seems to imply (often) that others are dumb. By inference he thinks he's smart. Maybe he is. I haven't seen any evidence of it.

Say what you will about me and my posts, I've never claimed a higher level of intelligence over anyone else. I know better than to do that.

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>Does anyone here know what the fuck Barry is talking about?

I think he means that there's a long, long list of procedures/treatments that employer-provided health insurance is mandated to cover. Contraception would just be one.

There's an argument against having that government mandate on health insurance. But a) choosing contraception as the procedure over which to draw the line in the sand, and b) villainizing users of said procedure, is, at best, exceedingly poor political strategy, and at worst, mind-bogglingly stupid.
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It's pretty simple. I explained to you *why* the system operates the way it does and your counter argument is that the system shouldn't operate because it "currently is a system that doesn't operate like that."

Uh.....no.....it currently operates exactly how it operates, not in some fantasy manner of operating the way you think it is "supposed" to operate.


Your tact isn't anything new, though you did a decent job of cloaking it for a while. It's built upon a false dichotomy, that being that there can only exist two systems - one which operates as an unregulated free market and one which operates as a government run universal system. The argument then follows that it's *supposed* to be one or the other. The reality is that system, and almost every system, does not exist in some sort of over simplified binary "its this or its that" kind of grade school level categorization. It exists on a continuum.

So, in our *current* system there are laws in place that move the old system (which does not exist) in the direction of universal coverage. Yes, THIS system is not complete universal coverage, but that does not imply that THIS system is completely devoid of universal coverage. This currently exactly what this system is, which is one in which *you* have to pay for contraception whether you want to or not for all the reasons that I listed earlier in this thread. The fact that you think the system should be categorized differently does not change that.

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Your tact isn't anything new, though you did a decent job of cloaking it for a while. It's built upon a false dichotomy, that being that there can only exist two systems - one which operates as an unregulated free market and one which operates as a government run universal system. The argument then follows that it's *supposed* to be one or the other.


I said, and think nothing of the sort. You have a pattern of framing a discussion by saying, for example. "Duffy says xxx and disagree because of aaa." The problem is Duffy never said "xxx".

It's either a tactic or you have so many preconceived notions your mind is essentially closed.

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I have found in my experience with dealing with people that the ones who are quick to call others stupid are usually the dumbest people in the room.


There are better methods to determine who's dumb.

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....I've never claimed a higher level of intelligence over anyone else.


That's a good move on your part.

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I said, and think nothing of the sort. You have a pattern of framing a discussion by saying, for example. "Duffy says xxx and disagree because of aaa." The problem is Duffy never said "xxx".

There are two points. 1) What you said and 2) your argument tactics.


1) I characterized it perfectly. "This current system isn't behaving the way this current system behaves."

2) The false dichotomy. "Universal coverage is for a universal coverage system and this is not a universal coverage system, therefor we shouldn't have it."

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Here's what I'm saying (again). Some coverage is forced by law (state of CA), some isn't. Some of the things that are forced on me, I don't want.

I haven't said anything else other than we currently don't have a universal system and I'd rather keep it that way.

If you insist on thinking I'm saying something else I am going to have to go against form and straight up say you are stupid.

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My wife's costs not including insurance are about $7,000 a year. Many of us could cover that, but it's nothing to sneeze at for a great portion of our country. Consider that the median income is somewhere in the $40-$50K ball park.

I'm certainly not saying that "Everyone should cover their own costs" for all instances and conditions, that's why we have insurance. What I am saying is that the fact that everyone feels that EVERYTHING should be covered regardless of cost leads to everyone not having any idea what their actual usage and cost is. Things that are "Maintenance" or "Choice" really shouldn't be covered by insurance anymore than they are covered for car insurance.

I would think that there would be some argument if birth control was something that was absolutely necessary, for some it is, and if it cost 7K a year, it doesn't not even 10% of that for most cases.


Furthermore the more "Mandatory" we make health care the more expensive it will get. Why would any company charge "Less" if they know that the "consumer" thinks they are getting it for free?

~Matt


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Sorry, Matt, I meant my wife's *diabetes* costs, not contraceptives.
; ^ )

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I haven't said anything else.....


Actually you said it was insane. That takes on a different meaning than "I don't like it."

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I haven't said anything else.....



Actually you said it was insane. That takes on a different meaning than "I don't like it."

Yeah, you're right. Sorry.

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I watched Meet the Press this morning and watched Newt take David Gregory out to the woodshed fo' a good ole fashion ass whuppin'

This is all smoke and mirrors bullshit to attempt to deflect attention from what a failure Obama is. (pardon me while I go push grandma over a cliff in her wheelchair)

I'm Back!!

Republicans being against 'womens health' makes for funny shit to leisurely watch over coffee on Sunday morning. What is not funny is having to wake up to the realities of Obama's America on Monday Morning.

Fuckin' libs and pussy republicans will try to squeeze this for everything it is worth....which is to say "not much" in light of much more pressing and important matters

I am beginning to think Rush did it on purpose.


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I am beginning to think Rush did it on purpose.

he ain't that smart

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Sancho wrote:

I am beginning to think Rush did it on purpose.


he ain't that smart

He's smart enough to make hundreds of millions of dollars by talking on the radio while being completely deaf.

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Sorry, Matt, I meant my wife's *diabetes* costs, not contraceptives.
; ^ )

I'm sure our total, when you include doctors, insulin, strips, etc etc will probably be 4-5K. At 5K a year that's 416$ a month, about the same as a car payment for a 22K car at 5% for 5 years.

Point being I know a whole bunch of people that don't think twice about going out and paying that and much more for a car but think paying the same amount to keep themselves alive is some sort of violation of their rights.


Certainly some people simply can't afford 5K a year, hell It's a major squeeze on me. But the general mentality that "We aren't responsible for our health costs" seems to be the very mentality that goes hand in hand with "I'm not responsible for my health" and thus, at least in part, responsible for our skyrocketing health costs.

We took a class on diabetes shortly after our son was diagnosed. The lady teaching the class talked about "Insulin resistance" and "Carb to insulin ratios". The description she used was "I have one lady that is thin as a rail, works out all the time and is a health nut that has an insulin ratio of 1 to 35. Then I have others that are a little more over weight and not as health conscience that are 1 to 1 ratio." She said this as if this is no big deal and all I could think of was "WTF!? really? You can actually alter the factor and need for insulin by a factor of 35 with diet and exercise?"

This says nothing about the epidemic of type II diabetes which is largely onset by diet and health.

So no, I don't think people should be covering for their "Cancer" coverage. That's what major medical is for. At the same time covering "birth control", "Visits to the doctor for colds" and other minor health care issues seems to be a recipe for people not giving a crap about their health and thus health care costs. In between these two is a whole "gray area" like diabetes, cholesterol etc etc all of which can be largely effected by simply being health conscientious.

~Matt






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You know what? I think the government owes me a car. Nothing special. Honda Civic or something like that. If you all don't support giving me a free car then you are obviously waging a war against transportation.

All the right wing zealots just want us to go back to horse and buggy. Those right wingers are being funded by the buggy whip lobby.

Why do you hate mobility?

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RE: We took a class on diabetes shortly after our son was diagnosed. The lady teaching the class talked about "Insulin resistance" and "Carb to insulin ratios". The description she used was "I have one lady that is thin as a rail, works out all the time and is a health nut that has an insulin ratio of 1 to 35. Then I have others that are a little more over weight and not as health conscience that are 1 to 1 ratio." She said this as if this is no big deal and all I could think of was "WTF!? really? You can actually alter the factor and need for insulin by a factor of 35 with diet and exercise?"

>>>Wish that were the case for me, Type 1 for 45 years, exercised 5 - 6 days a week, weight exactly in synch. But resistance now 1 to 8 with multiple problems including eye surgeries, diabetic bacterial overgrowth, carpal tunnel, other auto imune problesn, etc, etc. sucks....

Fortunately live in MA where healthcare mandates are stronger. Those that qualify for insulin pump are covered by law. This device has certainly cut down my problems. Without it, probably would be blind now.
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Barry-

I have no dog in the fight, but can you give your opinion on whether or not it is OK to decline dental insurance? The answer obviously steers towards should it be mandatory or is it ok how it is, you know being able to decline the insurance.


I think that is what duffy is asking???
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You can decline all insurance. become self insured. however if you buy group insurance don't you think it should cover broken bones, surgery, infections, and a thousand other items, or should you be able to pick and choose each? what duffy is also arguing is that he is paying more for that coverage, but he know how much, and he doesn't understand the concept of sprerading risk. besides contraception falls under the category of prevention, which actually saves money in the medium and long run. but who cares about facts?
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Why is ok for me to not have dental insurance through a group plan? Eye glasses? I can actually opt out of having pregnancy coverage (which we did).

I don't know exactly how much more the BC mandate cost because it was in a letter sent to at least 5 years ago (it's a state mandate). I didn't frame the letter and hang it on my wall. I looked at it and threw it out.

Again, my original point is that contraception is being pushed to used as a political hammer to beat republicans over the head. We are not only going to pay for a law student's pills, we are helping to pay for a political campaign.

I do understand the concept of spreading risk. You apparently don't understand the concept of private enterprise and freedom of choice.

PS: I'm still demanding my free car. Why do hate transportation? Why are you waging war on my right to mobility?

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Maybe we should apply Limbaughs logic and line of reasoning on him:

Mr Limbaugh is a man who is against women getting free birth control, which means he does not plan on having sex with women, which must means Rush is a fag! (obligitory not that there is anything wrong with that)
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GOKARTN wrote:
Maybe we should apply Limbaughs logic and line of reasoning on him:

Mr Limbaugh is a man who is against women getting free birth control, which means he does not plan on having sex with women, which must means Rush is a fag! (obligitory not that there is anything wrong with that)


"Two rednecks decided that they weren’t going anywhere in life and thought they should go to college to get ahead.
The first went in to see the counselor, who recommended him to take history or logical thinking class.
“What’s logical thinking?” the first redneck asked.
The professor answered, “Let me give you an example. Do you own a weed eater?”
“I sure do.”
“Then I can assume, using logical thinking, that you have a yard,” replied the professor.
“That’s real good!” said the redneck.
The professor continued, “Logic will also tell me that since you have a yard, you also own a house.”
Impressed, the redneck said, “Amazing!”
“And since you own a house, logic dictates that you have a wife.”
“That’s Betty Mae! This is incredible!”
The redneck was catching on.
“Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume that you are heterosexual,” said the professor.
“You’re absolutely right! Why that’s the most fascinating thing I ever heard! I can’t wait to take that logical thinking class!”
The redneck, proud of the new world opening up to him, walked back into the hallway where his friend was still waiting.
“So what class are ya taking’?” asked the friend.
“logical thinking class!” replied the first redneck.
“What the hell is logical thinking?” asked his friend.
“Let me give you an example. Do ya own a weed eater?” asked the first redneck.
“No,” his friend replied.
“You’re gay, ain’t ya?”"

Civilize the mind, but make savage the body.

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Duffy wrote:
GOKARTN wrote:
Maybe we should apply Limbaughs logic and line of reasoning on him:

Mr Limbaugh is a man who is against women getting free birth control, which means he does not plan on having sex with women, which must means Rush is a fag! (obligitory not that there is anything wrong with that)



"Two rednecks decided that they weren’t going anywhere in life and thought they should go to college to get ahead.
The first went in to see the counselor, who recommended him to take history or logical thinking class.
“What’s logical thinking?” the first redneck asked.
The professor answered, “Let me give you an example. Do you own a weed eater?”
“I sure do.”
“Then I can assume, using logical thinking, that you have a yard,” replied the professor.
“That’s real good!” said the redneck.
The professor continued, “Logic will also tell me that since you have a yard, you also own a house.”
Impressed, the redneck said, “Amazing!”
“And since you own a house, logic dictates that you have a wife.”
“That’s Betty Mae! This is incredible!”
The redneck was catching on.
“Finally, since you have a wife, logically I can assume that you are heterosexual,” said the professor.
“You’re absolutely right! Why that’s the most fascinating thing I ever heard! I can’t wait to take that logical thinking class!”
The redneck, proud of the new world opening up to him, walked back into the hallway where his friend was still waiting.
“So what class are ya taking’?” asked the friend.
“logical thinking class!” replied the first redneck.
“What the hell is logical thinking?” asked his friend.
“Let me give you an example. Do ya own a weed eater?” asked the first redneck.
“No,” his friend replied.
“You’re gay, ain’t ya?”"

lol. I know those guys!
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [xtremrun] [ In reply to ]
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It looks like Rush was paying attention in class that day.
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Barry-

I have no dog in the fight, but can you give your opinion on whether or not it is OK to decline dental insurance? The answer obviously steers towards should it be mandatory or is it ok how it is, you know being able to decline the insurance.


I think that is what duffy is asking???


I don't personally have an opinion on that matter as I haven't put much thought into it. I actually don't have a very strong opinion (yet) on what should or should not be covered. My position in this thread was merely answering the reasons for why contraceptives are covered, not whether or not they *should* be covered.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [BarryP] [ In reply to ]
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I'm like you, don't have a strong opinion on how this shakes out. Another thread on here states the financial savings of providing contraception that is logical, but the original question was...

Do you think it's ok to be able to decline dental insurance?
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [steveandbarb1] [ In reply to ]
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There are certainly people that are more resistant than others and I didn't mean to suggest that everyone *could* be 1:35 just by exercising and eating right. However if you DID quite exercising and eating right, put on 200lbs etc you'd likely be in far worse condition with a much higher ratio.

Fact of the matter however is that diabetes is just one one MANY different disease that are effected in this way and we pay regardless of individual behavior, which is of course root of the problem, birth control is no different.

The only argument for paying for birth control is that the alternative, abortion or a bunch of kids running around that the parents can't afford to take care of is "More expensive" than the birth control itself. That only makes sense if you're willing to pay for the parents mistakes and or support the parents themselves that are having children. As I've mentioned before I think we put to much stock in parental rights in this country.

Beyond this Diabetes, cancer, etc etc is largely out of the control of the patient, having sex is not.

~Matt
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I watched Meet the Press this morning and watched Newt take David Gregory out to the woodshed fo' a good ole fashion ass whuppin'

This is all smoke and mirrors bullshit to attempt to deflect attention from what a failure Obama is. (pardon me while I go push grandma over a cliff in her wheelchair)

I'm Back!!

Republicans being against 'womens health' makes for funny shit to leisurely watch over coffee on Sunday morning. What is not funny is having to wake up to the realities of Obama's America on Monday Morning.

Fuckin' libs and pussy republicans will try to squeeze this for everything it is worth....which is to say "not much" in light of much more pressing and important matters

I am beginning to think Rush did it on purpose.

Grandma will be fine. Everything will be covered under her Obamacare plan and it's FREE!!!! The Magic Money Gnomes will send Congress cash to pay for every possible procedure under the sun AND free contraception and Viagra for all!!!!


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [Duffy] [ In reply to ]
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I don't think Rush really hurt himself with his audience. Even as competitors or as he likes to call them, colleagues, have been distancing themselves or outright critical. His listeners have come to his defense. With that said, he can have all the ratings in the world but if he can sell those ratings what is the point. This is what hurt Beck on fox. The advocacy group led boycotts left him with few advertisers, mainly Goldline. Fox has to think in the short term, but talk radio doesn't. He'll weather this storm and be back. I think a Romney win would ultimately do more to harm Limbaughs and the rest of his kinds ratings more than him saying something outrageous. Reminds me of a quote from the movie CB4.

Trustus Jones, the Manager for CB4 (a spoof on NWA), to some people, these fools out here could be a problem, bad for their image, bad for their record sales, but you brothers have created something so nasty and so vile that the iller you get, the better off we are.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [theforge] [ In reply to ]
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I bet he has a line of advertisers waiting fighting for the spots that opened up on his network.

Probalby a good business move now that I think of it, as he can probably get higher CPM's with the new fresh meat advertisers.

Meanwhile, the sex addict gets her 15 minutes of fame--it's a win/win.

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Again, Rush Limbaugh is the EIB network and they have contracts that don't allow stations that syndicate him to throw him to the curb because of short term losses. Unlike Fox with Beck, Rush has a buffer that will give him time to weather this storm. Besides, he has apologized so people continuing to make an issue of it only plays into the narrative that he has always pushed and his listeners eat up.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [YaHey] [ In reply to ]
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Selective liberal outrage. It's a beautiful thing, eh? Bill Maher makes money by calling Sarah Palin a cunt. Rush Limbaugh observes that this cheap tramp (hey...she's going through three grand a year for condoms, IUDs, the Pill and whatnot, so clearly something's going on here ;-) may be suffering a bit from what we used to call "looseness" and the mockrage on the part of folks like you begins.

That's cool, though, and I can live with that because I like getting down in the mud and wrestling with the pig, metaphorically speaking. So Sandra Fluke (of nature), get ready because the big train's gonna be on you all this year, Miss 31-year-old (hey! Wasn't she presented as a 23-year-old in front of those 'tards in Congress the other day?) "community activist" (I suppose that's better'n "community organizer") Georgetown law school student.

But she must be feeling ecstatic. After all, President Obama called her to thank her for her "courage." Folks still waiting on calls from Obama in recognition of the whole "courage thing" include murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry's parents, to name just two folks who kinda sorta expect more from their president than just someone who's a partisan purveyor and encourager of hatred distilled down into faux populism and class warfare.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Bill Maher makes money by calling Sarah Palin a cunt.


There is actually a difference. It's kind of like Chris Rock using the n-word versus you calling a bunch of black people names that they find offensive for doing things that they normally do.

And FWIW, Bill Maher has been fired before for some of the stuff he has said.




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Bill Maher makes money by calling Sarah Palin a cunt.



There is actually a difference. It's kind of like Chris Rock using the n-word versus you calling a bunch of black people names that they find offensive for doing things that they normally do.


Yeah, uhh....kind of.

In any event, it looks like the chronic leg spreader is taking the low road and not accepting the apology--as if that was a surprise.

Contrast this with Palin who accepted Maher's apology with class and forgiveness....oh, wait, Maher never apologized, silly me, I forgot that its ok for liberals to call woman bad names, as long as they are Republican.

In any event, as was mentioned above Rush is going to come out looking like a rose, and the puma in training, Miss Fluke, is still enjoying her newfound fame--can't wait for her legs behind the ears sex tape to come out.

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Selective liberal outrage. It's a beautiful thing, eh? Bill Maher makes money by calling Sarah Palin a cunt. Rush Limbaugh observes that this cheap tramp (hey...she's going through three grand a year for condoms, IUDs, the Pill and whatnot, so clearly something's going on here ;-) may be suffering a bit from what we used to call "looseness" and the mockrage on the part of folks like you begins.

Let's examine your logic a little bit.

Clearly, there's a link between spending money on contraceptives and actual sexual activity.

HOWEVER

There is no real link between spending money on the birth control pill and actual sexual activity. For example, participants in this very thread have explained how many women need the pill to fix or manager specific health issues related to hormones. In these cases, a woman could be completely 100% celibate and still have a need for the pill 12 months of the year.

So this is clearly a big leap when we go from the fact that someone needs to pay for the pill, to the idea that this makes them sexually promiscuous. There's nothing that this sort of expense says about a person other than the fact that they're female.

If we add in condoms - this starts to imply that the person IS sexually active, or at least plans to be at some point. However it says nothing about the number of sexual partners that person has or plans to have. Most intelligent women know that the pill is not 100% effective - a backup plan is clearly smart. The most common backup plan in 2012 is using condoms.

A woman who chooses to buy the pill AND condoms may or may not be sexually active, if they are sexually active, may or may not have more than one partner over the course of a year.

Would you really call a woman who has one partner promiscuous? Or are you actually assuming that women who make intelligent, conservative choices when it comes to sexual health deserve to be called names and ridiculed?

I'll give chainpin a pass on this one because we all know he's just a fucking moron. But the rest of you... logic, people.
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First off this lady is an activist. So she is playing up the false lack of access vs the real availability. If she truly did not have an ability to pay for contraception, she could go to free health clinics where contraception is readily available. If it were for health reason, like the one she posed a strawman arugment for, she could obtain generic oral contraception from any corner pharmacy for 10 bucks. This isn't about access. This is about here wanting her cake and eating it to. She chose to go to the prestigious Georgetown University, a Catholic Institution. They do not provide that service as it is against their beliefs. She is a feminist who has a problem with that. My answer is, go to another law school. But since you have a scholarship there, you should be gratful. Maybe she, like most liberals, is just another elitist snobs. To good to go to the health clinic where the services are provided. She probably doesn't want to spend time in line with the riff raff they claim to passionately defend.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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big kahuna wrote:
Selective liberal outrage. It's a beautiful thing, eh? Bill Maher makes money by calling Sarah Palin a cunt. Rush Limbaugh observes that this cheap tramp (hey...she's going through three grand a year for condoms, IUDs, the Pill and whatnot, so clearly something's going on here ;-) may be suffering a bit from what we used to call "looseness" and the mockrage on the part of folks like you begins.


Let's examine your logic a little bit.

Clearly, there's a link between spending money on contraceptives and actual sexual activity.

HOWEVER

There is no real link between spending money on the birth control pill and actual sexual activity. For example, participants in this very thread have explained how many women need the pill to fix or manager specific health issues related to hormones. In these cases, a woman could be completely 100% celibate and still have a need for the pill 12 months of the year.

So this is clearly a big leap when we go from the fact that someone needs to pay for the pill, to the idea that this makes them sexually promiscuous. There's nothing that this sort of expense says about a person other than the fact that they're female.

If we add in condoms - this starts to imply that the person IS sexually active, or at least plans to be at some point. However it says nothing about the number of sexual partners that person has or plans to have. Most intelligent women know that the pill is not 100% effective - a backup plan is clearly smart. The most common backup plan in 2012 is using condoms.

A woman who chooses to buy the pill AND condoms may or may not be sexually active, if they are sexually active, may or may not have more than one partner over the course of a year.

Would you really call a woman who has one partner promiscuous? Or are you actually assuming that women who make intelligent, conservative choices when it comes to sexual health deserve to be called names and ridiculed?

I'll give chainpin a pass on this one because we all know he's just a fucking moron. But the rest of you... logic, people.

Good God, man. Can't you see how friggin' ridiculous you sound, getting all wrapped around the axle about that woman's sex life when it was being used as an example of the putter, utter hypocrisy of the Left? But feel free to defend her honor, if you'd like. Like a really give a crap about her, personally, other than as a vehicle for tweaking the sanctimonious, like you, here. So by all means: Carry on smartly, sailor.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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First off this lady is an activist. So she is playing up the false lack of access vs the real availability. If she truly did not have an ability to pay for contraception, she could go to free health clinics where contraception is readily available. If it were for health reason, like the one she posed a strawman arugment for, she could obtain generic oral contraception from any corner pharmacy for 10 bucks. This isn't about access. This is about here wanting her cake and eating it to. She chose to go to the prestigious Georgetown University, a Catholic Institution. They do not provide that service as it is against their beliefs. She is a feminist who has a problem with that. My answer is, go to another law school. But since you have a scholarship there, you should be gratful. Maybe she, like most liberals, is just another elitist snobs. To good to go to the health clinic where the services are provided. She probably doesn't want to spend time in line with the riff raff they claim to passionately defend.

Dude, she got into Georgetown -- which is a Catholic university -- precisely to attempt to force a change in the school's student "health care" (contraception as health care? Sure, but only in tightly defined circumstances) policies (i.e. no, Georgetown won't be issuing condoms or the Pill and other contraceptives as a matter of course because it violates Catholic teaching and moral guidelines). She's been a liar and a provocateur almost from the get-go, when whatever group of dummies at the law school's admissions committee decided to let her join up let her into the school, and it was her intent all along to gin up just this kind of outrage on the Left. Most lefties can't even see how smoothly they've been played, of course, because they're so worried about 'Pubs and conservatives comin' 'round to steal all the wimmins' ladyparts, I guess, never mind that the whole debate wasn't even about contraception, per se, but another abrogation of constitutionally guaranteed liberties.

Also, I hear she's not willing to accept Limbaugh's apology, saying it doesn't change anything, so what was the point of the exercise in the first place? So more of the libby fascists could then take off after Limbaugh sponsors and the sponsors of other radio personalities not even remotely associated with conservative -- or liberal, for that matter -- politics, using their refusal to come out and castigate Limbaugh, whom many have never even listened to or had even a tangential connection with, in order to save themselves from having the sponsors who also sponsored Limbaugh drop them, too? See? Now, that really is liberal fascism making use of agitprop -- which is all that Fluke was doing -- in order to force everybody to accede to the liberal worldview.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [big kahuna] [ In reply to ]
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I'm just saying, if you're going to try to 'tweak' people, at least do it in a way that isn't logically inconsistent on its face. Just makes you look like an idiot.
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Exactly, I bet she hasn't gotten laid in years, let alone the 7-8 times per day that her math would imply.

When her 15 minutes are up, Rush will still be sitting behind the golden mic, with a new crop of advertisiers and millions upon millions of listeners.

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I'm just saying, if you're going to try to 'tweak' people, at least do it in a way that isn't logically inconsistent on its face. Just makes you look like an idiot.

C'mon...that's your opinion masquerading as fact. According to your side, the fact that somebody like Maher can call somebody like Palin, who's a public person, a cunt (and believe me, I was more than ready to kick a few asses back in '08, over the whole treatment-of-Palin thing, so I'll be honest about that right up front) is somehow valid while somebody like Limbaugh, who's also making his money in much the same way as Maher -- though Limbaugh isn't paid by a network to do it -- can't make what he believes to be valid criticism of this Fluke woman, who is no less a public person through her "community activism" and less-than-truthful advocacy in front of the Congress? That was pure agitprop, and you clueless lefties swallow it hook, line and sinker with amazing consistency. I guess the need for civility in our discourse is only restricted to those on the Right, correct? Now who -- in defending Maher through pleas for logic, people, logic -- looks like an idiot, sirrah?

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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Exactly, I bet she hasn't gotten laid in years, let alone the 7-8 times per day that her math would imply.

When her 15 minutes are up, Rush will still be sitting behind the golden mic, with a new crop of advertisiers and millions upon millions of listeners.

By my troth, I listen not to the man, but that's mainly because matters au temps perdu often prevent me from listening to his perorations. But I did catch wind of this particular kerfuffle, ginned up by the institutional Left, and felt compelled to address the simple idiocy of the outcry by those in the media and the Left (but I repeat myself ;-) who feel compelled to rush to the aid of the damsel in distress, which is exactly as she and her handlers intended. Pity Limbaugh for being the fool who first felt he needed to address her inane babble instead of ignore it and let those of us who are the foot soldiers do the cutting and thrusting, and pity more the honest leftish type folks who joined in on the Limbaugh tar and feathers party, because they really don't see how easily they've been played in all this, too.

"Politics is just show business for ugly people."
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to be 'fair' and consistent, why should 'we' have to pay for the delivery of someones kid - you want a child, pay for the birth yourself . . .

and if you get injured from biking, running, riding a motorcycle or anything I deem as 'optional or recreational' - - pay for that yourself as well - or walk it off.

Why stop at contraception?
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Man are we playing musical chairs with name changes?

~Matt
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [MJuric] [ In reply to ]
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it's just a Kool handle . . . .
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See, that's the problem: Lefties can't see the forest for the individual trees so they just lump everything under the rubric of "compassion, and doing what's right" (by their lights), never mind that there's usually an element of personal responsibility that's supposedly inherent in everything we do. But when you have the bottomless well of "government wealth" (that's actually pretty bone dry right now) from which to draw, what's wrong with making this, that and all the other things "rights?" It's only "good government policy" (what a contradiction in terms) and all that other jizzum, right?

For example, on one hand we all publicly decry single motherhood and the deterioration that loss of the family unit tends to bring to a society, except when we aren't encouraging it through government largesse. We make it easy for everybody to live on the dole, suckling from Leviathan's teat, and then tsk-tsk when we see Greece winding its way back down the first world ladder to its natural punching weight, which is somewhere on the lower rungs of the second world or the top rungs of the third world, and can't see that Greece's issues are ours, just a bit later in this decade.

Finally, we plead for charity -- such as the $98 billion worth of actual charitable works, in the form of hospitals, free clinics, social work and other activities -- put forth by organizations like the Catholic Church and then demand that they continue to extend such charity even when we mandate that the charities themselves violate their own moral consciences by providing other forms of "health care" that they find to be a sin, in some cases. And then we cry and weep when such charity disappears but, in the next second, expect Uncle Sam to make up the difference. With what?
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big kahuna wrote:
roddybottum wrote:
I'm just saying, if you're going to try to 'tweak' people, at least do it in a way that isn't logically inconsistent on its face. Just makes you look like an idiot.


C'mon...that's your opinion masquerading as fact. According to your side, the fact that somebody like Maher can call somebody like Palin, who's a public person, a cunt (and believe me, I was more than ready to kick a few asses back in '08, over the whole treatment-of-Palin thing, so I'll be honest about that right up front) is somehow valid while somebody like Limbaugh, who's also making his money in much the same way as Maher -- though Limbaugh isn't paid by a network to do it -- can't make what he believes to be valid criticism of this Fluke woman, who is no less a public person through her "community activism" and less-than-truthful advocacy in front of the Congress? That was pure agitprop, and you clueless lefties swallow it hook, line and sinker with amazing consistency. I guess the need for civility in our discourse is only restricted to those on the Right, correct? Now who -- in defending Maher through pleas for logic, people, logic -- looks like an idiot, sirrah?

Not really a Maher fan, he comes off as too much of a dick, and is quite inconsistent at times. I prefer Stewart and Colbert for that style of 'infotainment'.

If you think calling someone a slut is a valid criticism of anyone, I'm hopeful that you'll find a remedial critical thinking course at your local community college.
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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [roddybottum] [ In reply to ]
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Who knew Ms. Fluke had an acne issue... at 31 years old, no less.
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and my point is that Righties are perfectly fine with suckling at the teat as long as the activity is within their definition of 'being responsible' - - if someone slams into the chalet while skiing down the bunny hill and breaks their leg - is that being responsible? Righties are happy with the teat as long as they get to draw the lines.
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Contrast this with Palin who accepted Maher's apology with class and forgiveness....oh, wait, Maher never apologized, silly me, I forgot that its ok for liberals to call woman bad names, as long as they are Republican.


I just explained this to you, but the truth is you don't really care what the right answer is. You just care what the right's answer is.


For the life of me I can't figure out how you get so much enjoyment in that. I've got a coworker who is similar.....really cool guy, smart, great conversation....but he's got this hard-on for praising all things republican and ripping apart all things democrat. Personally I enjoy zombie flicks and playing the drums.


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Re: Finally, Limbaugh screws himself [roddybottum] [ In reply to ]
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roddybottum wrote:
big kahuna wrote:
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I'm just saying, if you're going to try to 'tweak' people, at least do it in a way that isn't logically inconsistent on its face. Just makes you look like an idiot.


C'mon...that's your opinion masquerading as fact. According to your side, the fact that somebody like Maher can call somebody like Palin, who's a public person, a cunt (and believe me, I was more than ready to kick a few asses back in '08, over the whole treatment-of-Palin thing, so I'll be honest about that right up front) is somehow valid while somebody like Limbaugh, who's also making his money in much the same way as Maher -- though Limbaugh isn't paid by a network to do it -- can't make what he believes to be valid criticism of this Fluke woman, who is no less a public person through her "community activism" and less-than-truthful advocacy in front of the Congress? That was pure agitprop, and you clueless lefties swallow it hook, line and sinker with amazing consistency. I guess the need for civility in our discourse is only restricted to those on the Right, correct? Now who -- in defending Maher through pleas for logic, people, logic -- looks like an idiot, sirrah?


Not really a Maher fan, he comes off as too much of a dick, and is quite inconsistent at times. I prefer Stewart and Colbert for that style of 'infotainment'.

If you think calling someone a slut is a valid criticism of anyone, I'm hopeful that you'll find a remedial critical thinking course at your local community college.

Stewart and Colbert...that figures. And community college? Pshaw! I learned those at an august four-year university on the East Coast, courtesy of the largesse provided to me by Uncle Sam. Besides, everything I needed to know I learned in kindergarten, right?
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Bill Maher makes money by calling Sarah Palin a cunt.



There is actually a difference. It's kind of like Chris Rock using the n-word versus you calling a bunch of black people names that they find offensive for doing things that they normally do.

And FWIW, Bill Maher has been fired before for some of the stuff he has said.




Explain the difference.

Your Chris Rock analogy doesnt cut it.

Are you suggesting its somehow OK that Maher calls Palin names because the left somehow speaks for women so its ok because he is on their side?

Im just trying to clarify what you are suggesting is the difference and how maher somehow gets a pass. He and Rush are both entertainers if that matters to your analogy.


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and my point is that Righties are perfectly fine with suckling at the teat as long as the activity is within their definition of 'being responsible' - - if someone slams into the chalet while skiing down the bunny hill and breaks their leg - is that being responsible? Righties are happy with the teat as long as they get to draw the lines.

You mistake me: I'm not sure I want any teat, other than that which is absolutely necessary. We've got a duty and an obligation to help those who can't help themselves, and I want to (and often do) help the helpless. I'm tired of helping the clueless, though, and that's what liberals and so-called 'compassionate' conservatives have been doing too much of these last 50 years or so.

Me, I'd be fine with it if we eliminated every single deduction in the tax code just in the interest of fairness. The mortgage deduction? Fine, toss it. The earned income tax credit? That needs to go as well. We've raised entire generations of entitlement hounds through all of that stuff. Social Security? Means test it and adjust payouts accordingly. We're engaged in massive generational theft right now, in which we're stealing from the relatively-not-well-off younger generations to give to the relatively-well-off older generations. Same with Medicare, same with Medicaid...you name it. Believe me, a realignment is coming whether we like it or not. The only thing we can really do is to try to dictate the broad outlines of that realignment, and that's about it.

Instead we're doing nothing more than just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, and becoming distracted -- like Capuchin monkeys -- by the bright, shiny objects like Sandra Fluke (of nature) and her and Limbaugh's little circus.

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There is actually a difference. It's kind of like Chris Rock using the n-word versus you calling a bunch of black people names that they find offensive for doing things that they normally do.

And FWIW, Bill Maher has been fired before for some of the stuff he has said.



No, not at all. Maher called her a very offensive term (in any context) simply because he hates her, simply to be the pejorative it was. Limbaugh worked himself into a frenzy, following the logic he was arguing that she was asking others to pay for her sex. Ultimately having us pay her to have sex, hence his use of "whore". At least there was an over-the-edge rational way of getting there in Rush's case. Maher just hates.
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Bill Maher makes money by calling Sarah Palin a cunt.



There is actually a difference. It's kind of like Chris Rock using the n-word versus you calling a bunch of black people names that they find offensive for doing things that they normally do.

And FWIW, Bill Maher has been fired before for some of the stuff he has said.




No, not at all. Maher called her a very offensive term (in any context) simply because he hates her, simply to be the pejorative it was. Limbaugh worked himself into a frenzy, following the logic he was arguing that she was asking others to pay for her sex. Ultimately having us pay her to have sex, hence his use of "whore". At least there was an over-the-edge rational way of getting there in Rush's case. Maher just hates.

That's it, Dave. Speak truth to power, brah. I'm there with you. ;-)
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Are you suggesting its somehow OK that Maher calls Palin names because the left somehow speaks for women so its ok because he is on their side?


Do you understand the difference between calling you a poopy head and calling Michael Jordan a nigger?


We aren't talking about a person calling a woman "a name" and another person calling a woman "a name." And FWIW, many women have gotten on Maher's case for calling her a cunt and a bimbo. And the reason Limbaugh is apologizing has aboslutely nothing to do with him feeling sorry for what he did. It's because advertisers are pulling from his show.


One is an intentionally devisive person being called cunt, which is synonous with bitch, asshole, dickhead, or any number of words that mean "genericaly bad," by a person who has a history of siding with civil rights. The other is being called a slut and whore for wanting birthcontrol covered, which implies that the 50-80% of women who want their birth control covered "indisciminately wish to sleep with lots of random strangers," by an angry white man. You can't see the difference?!!


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I don't get your Chris Rock analogy either.

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For what it's worth, in my opinion, they were both out of line.
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If Limbaugh had called her a c***, it would have been much worse and you would have had your panties in a tighter wad. You can twist it to justify what Maher did, but it doesn't make what Maher did acceptable.
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At least there was an over-the-edge rational way of getting there in Rush's case.

Except that her argument holds for married couples as well. Pretty hard to find your way to calling a married, monogamous woman a slut using any sort of logical thought process.

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You are dancing pretty fast there dude.

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Are you suggesting its somehow OK that Maher calls Palin names because the left somehow speaks for women so its ok because he is on their side?



Do you understand the difference between calling you a poopy head and calling Michael Jordan a nigger?


We aren't talking about a person calling a woman "a name" and another person calling a woman "a name." And FWIW, many women have gotten on Maher's case for calling her a cunt and a bimbo. And the reason Limbaugh is apologizing has aboslutely nothing to do with him feeling sorry for what he did. It's because advertisers are pulling from his show.


One is an intentionally devisive person being called cunt, which is synonous with bitch, asshole, dickhead, or any number of words that mean "genericaly bad," by a person who has a history of siding with civil rights. The other is being called a slut and whore for wanting birthcontrol covered, which implies that the 50-80% of women who want their birth control covered "indisciminately wish to sleep with lots of random strangers," by an angry white man. You can't see the difference?!!


"One is an intentionally divisive person...?" And that gives somebody else the right to then start in with the whole cunt thing, even if your characterization of Palin's demeanor were true? And it's okay as long as the person doing the cunt-calling sides with civil rights? Hell, Barry, I'm a brown skinned fellow who's actually been on the receiving end of "spic," "taco bender," "wetback," "greaser," "Injun Joe" (for my Navajo blood), "hippie" (that was back in the early 70s) and the like, and I support civil rights for my oppressed black, brown, yellow and red brothers and sisters. So, can I call Fluke (of nature) a whore and a slut, and that'd be okay? I mean, it seems to me that she was attempting to be deliberately divisive, and I'm sure more people than just me would say so.

Do you even realize how hypocritical you're being here, sir? Now, if you'd made the argument on libel or slander (especially slander) grounds and buttressed that with an explanation about public persons versus private persons (though I believe Ms. Fluke gave up the right to being called a private person when she took up the banner of "community activism") you might have a stronger leg upon which to stand. Maybe.

Me? I'm going to hide behind my brown skin, especially when all you whiteys start getting up to well-meaning mischief in trying to 'take care' of me and my people, and really start calling Fluke (of nature) a slut and a whore because, after all, it's okay when I do it because I'm some sorta minority or something. And please show me where contraception -- or even health care, inter alia -- is an inalienable right under the Constitution. I can find an inalienable right to freedom of religious and other moral conscience, of course. But the whole contraception thing? Not as yet.


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At least there was an over-the-edge rational way of getting there in Rush's case.


Except that her argument holds for married couples as well. Pretty hard to find your way to calling a married, monogamous woman a slut using any sort of logical thought process.

That would be a good point if Fluke were married, she's not, and she was the subject of his rant. It is what it is.
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At least there was an over-the-edge rational way of getting there in Rush's case.


Except that her argument holds for married couples as well. Pretty hard to find your way to calling a married, monogamous woman a slut using any sort of logical thought process.


That would be a good point if Fluke were married, she's not, and she was the subject of his rant. It is what it is.

They're all using some bizarro pretzel logic to excuse Maher and indict Limbaugh when both are just two sides of the same coin in this case. But it's okay when it's done by the Left, correct? (I was going to say, "But it's okay when it's done by the Left, right?" but that would've been too hackneyed even for me ;-)
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No but its slightly disturbing that you can.

As was said, Mahers comments were based on pure hatred and nothing more.

Rushs comments were to bring attention to the lunacy of expecting everyone else to pay for your choice to have sex and acting as if its a big issue. Its not to 99% of the people in this country.

Did you catch the part where she said that she was upset that the faculty gets theirs covered but the students don't? She is nothing more than an activist without a clue and when you put yourself on the political stage and make demands like hers you have to expect some arrows to fly your way.

If I really believed he thought she was a slut for having sex then I might feel differently. I was listening on my way home the day this all went down and it was obvious to anyone with a clue what he was trying to point out by being over the top. Hatred was not the deciding factor.

I nearly drove off the road laughing because I knew what the response would be and I havent been disappointed one bit. He will laugh all the way to the bank.


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You are dancing pretty fast there dude.



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No but its slightly disturbing that you can.

As was said, Mahers comments were based on pure hatred and nothing more.

Rushs comments were to bring attention to the lunacy of expecting everyone else to pay for your choice to have sex and acting as if its a big issue. Its not to 99% of the people in this country.

Did you catch the part where she said that she was upset that the faculty gets theirs covered but the students don't? She is nothing more than an activist without a clue and when you put yourself on the political stage and make demands like hers you have to expect some arrows to fly your way.

If I really believed he thought she was a slut for having sex then I might feel differently. I was listening on my way home the day this all went down and it was obvious to anyone with a clue what he was trying to point out by being over the top. Hatred was not the deciding factor.

I've gone over the script, and then listened, to what Limbaugh says, and his ultimate thesis was actually valid. The whole slut thing is just the Left's way of screaming "Look! A big, bright, shiny object!" while pointing away from Ms. Fluke and her inane chatter in a place she really hadn't even been invited to speak at.

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In Rush's words:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/...ized_to_sandra_fluke

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What you're essentially saying, then, is that he was making a personal attack, rather than an attack on her argument. Not that it matters much to me what Rush Limbaugh has to say, or how he goes about saying it.

Regardless, she was there not as an advocate for herself, but for women as a group. Her testimony included anecdotes of married students in her predicament (such that it is).

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You can't see the difference?!!

Not really. I think they are both idiots that expect that this little silly divide you have constructed will play out. It's funny. The supporters/detractors, not the so-called entertainers.
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Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error. I became like them, and I feel very badly about that.

((rolls eyes))

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I could be wrong but doesn't doesn't the inclusion of contraception actually lessen the cost of an insurance premium?
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My guess is that it varies by state and insurer.

Here's a non-partisan fact-checking site's analysis of the question:

http://www.factcheck.org/...contraception-costs/

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What is so hard for you people to understand? This is nothing to do with cost, and everything to do with liberty vs tyranny. Why should a religous organization be forced to fund or provide at not cost a service that runs contrary to its beliefs, no matter how arcane and out of date their beliefs are? Why do you same people throw the wall separating church and state when a gov't building has had "In God We Trust" since the 1800, but have no problem with our gov't mandating that a religous institution provide services that are contrary to their beliefs? This lady chose to attend a Catholic University. By doing so, she has accepted that they hold certain beliefs that might be contrary to hers. Yet she felt the value of a degree from their outweighed her disagreement with the church cannons. Or did she? Like many activist, she may well just wish to make an issue where there is none. I'm pretty sure a 10 minute metro ride would get you in close proximity to a public health clinic which would provide all she sought at affordable prices or even free of charge. This is a non-issue that unfortunately Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer taken way too seriously by both his sycophants and leftist social engineers, stepped in. But in the end, this is a non-issue serving as a distraction driven by liberals who cannot defend a single thing this failure of a president has done.


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Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke. That was my error. I became like them, and I feel very badly about that.


((rolls eyes))

Don't be so hard on the goyim, boychik. After all, he learned that from the Left, with it's "this is an apology, but not really an apology" apologia techniques. ;-) Didn't "climate scientist" Pete Gleick kind of use the same technique when he got busted using lies and deceptions to obtain inside communications from the Heartland Institute? You know: " I had to lie and cheat in order to do this, and descend to the climate deniers' level, in order to serve a higher cause," that kind of thing?

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What is so hard for you people to understand? This is nothing to do with cost, and everything to do with liberty vs tyranny. Why should a religous organization be forced to fund or provide at not cost a service that runs contrary to its beliefs, no matter how arcane and out of date their beliefs are? Why do you same people throw the wall separating church and state when a gov't building has had "In God We Trust" since the 1800, but have no problem with our gov't mandating that a religous institution provide services that are contrary to their beliefs? This lady chose to attend a Catholic University. By doing so, she has accepted that they hold certain beliefs that might be contrary to hers. Yet she felt the value of a degree from their outweighed her disagreement with the church cannons. Or did she? Like many activist, she may well just wish to make an issue where there is none. I'm pretty sure a 10 minute metro ride would get you in close proximity to a public health clinic which would provide all she sought at affordable prices or even free of charge. This is a non-issue that unfortunately Rush Limbaugh, an entertainer taken way too seriously by both his sycophants and leftist social engineers, stepped in. But in the end, this is a non-issue serving as a distraction driven by liberals who cannot defend a single thing this failure of a president has done.

I hear ya, and here is my question...why should some taxpayers of this country be forced to fund, through it's tax exempt status, any (all) religious institutions if we don't want to.
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. . . and Catholic Hospitals should then stop receiving funds from State and Federal governments - and end their participation with programs such as Medicare and Medicaid - - - then that argument would hold water.
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That is a different argument with infinite possibilities. And is a debate well beyond a one sentence question. They deserve tax benefits because they also provide charitable service which I would argue is the business of a religous organization. In fact, I think they are a better provider than our gov't for such welfare. But if you want to really expand the scope of the discussion by all means. Why should my tax dollars provide food stamps that can be used to buy junkfood contributing to obesity and more health cost, when a charity can do so cheaper, with better controls to prevent fraud? Why should my tax dollars go to fund advocacy groups that steer public policy, in many cases with junk science? Why does my taxpayers dollars go to subsidize alternative fuels that absent subsidies would never pass a cost benefit analysis? On the same note, why are my taxpayers going to oil subsidies that make oil artificially cheap so we do not seek alternative sources of energy? In other words, each issue is complex and goes beyond a simple question. While we are at it, why am I paying income taxes, when for 200 years our federal gov't was funded solely on tariffs and taxes on foreign goods?

So if you want to really discuss this, why don't you give me more details to support your question?


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Love how he blames the left for everything. Pretty straight forward. He called her a slut and a prostitute. No need for the left to do anything but watch the shit hit the fan, by his own doing.

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You are dancing pretty fast there dude.


I give up. You all are right. There is absolutley no difference between calling a woman a cunt for being devisive and calling a woman a slut and a whore for using birth control. It also makes absolutely no difference who is using the term.


I tried to give you the answer as to *why* sponsors are pulling their ads from Limbaugh's show and you think I'm wrong. The real reason is the left wing liberal nutjobs have a lot of power over the companies that advertise on Limbaugh's show and they are forcing them to pull their ads. Yeah, that's it!

Good grief, this ain't rocket science! Using a demeaning term related to a demographic gets some people riled up. When you insinuate that an activity that a large group of people partake in makes you a slut, you are surprised that that large group gets *more* upset?????



You all asked why ads get pulled for what Limbaugh said and not for what Maher said and I told you. Keep in mind, these aren't special interest groups and these aren't liberals posting on ST. These are corporations who had previously thought that Rush Limbaugh's show would be a great place to advertise. As usual, if the answer doesn't fit your preconceived world view, then you ain't listening.





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I don't suppport that kind of language and he is eating appropriate crap for it.

Interesting on how that whole hearing went down though, right?

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But in the end, this is a non-issue serving as a distraction driven by liberals who cannot defend a single thing this failure of a president has done.

http://www.politifact.com/...ulings/promise-kept/

Here is a little short list but don't let facts get in the way of your partisan talking point. You might not like what he has accomplished but he has accomplished quite a bit.
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. . . and Catholic Hospitals should then stop receiving funds from State and Federal governments - and end their participation with programs such as Medicare and Medicaid - - - then that argument would hold water.

I would be inclined to agree with you, but unfortunately gov't has oozed its way into all avenues of our life, that you could argue that parents who recieve Earned Income Tax Credits should follow child rearing guidelines in accordance with gov't standars. This same argument came up when there was talk of regulating the salaries at banks who received bailout money. A valid concern, but then it becomes a slippery slope that can be applied to any company that ever received a tax credit, in otherwords any business unfortunate enough to get into the radar of politicians seeking a political enemy. So in my ideal world, Catholic Hospitals would nto be getting this taxpayer money with the exception of not-for profit status to begin with. And that would assume they provide a standard level of service to those who cannot afford medical care with minimal red tape and harrassment. The tradeoff for not paying taxes.


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Barry, why do you need a rating system here? Both are awful things to call a woman. Why can't you just say that?

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Tim, I'm only engaging you on this because of my choices, you are the most reasonable.

Keep in mind, Maher caught a lot of flak for calling Palin a cunt, and Maher has been fired before for some of the stuff he has said on his show. So it's not like he just gets a free pass and Limbaugh doesn't.


Consider if a radio/tv personality calls Bush an inbred dumb redneck.
Now consider if one calls him an inbred dumb redneck because he's from Teaxs and drives a pickup truck.

Both are clearly using deragtory inappropriate language to describe Bush, but can you see how one might be considered more offensive to pickup driving Teaxans than the other?

Sphere hints at this as well in his posts. Is one "worse" than the other? Maybe not. But can you not see how one would generate a much larger reaction than the other. As I said, I really don't think the left has *that* much control over who advertises on Limbaugh's show. What Limbaugh said was stupid and it pissed off a lot of people.

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agreed - and I also think Catholic Hospitals should also clearly position themselves as Catholic - and not just in name, but also meaning they do not provide patients with healthcare that meets established medical standards
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I haven't read everything, I've been on the beach, but for the life of me I cannot think of any reason for him to call her what he did and his apology says "I'm sorry but it's all the left's fault". How many people would accept that as an apology if their kids said that to them?

If he didn't have advertisers jumping ship he wouldn't have backed down. Seems like he's the prostitute now.

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theforge wrote:
But in the end, this is a non-issue serving as a distraction driven by liberals who cannot defend a single thing this failure of a president has done.


http://www.politifact.com/...ulings/promise-kept/

Here is a little short list but don't let facts get in the way of your partisan talking point. You might not like what he has accomplished but he has accomplished quite a bit.

I'm sorry, I don't make the habit of confusing more spending or liberal utopian policies that have done little to pull us out of this mess we are in with success. And if you want to start quoting politifact, how about you include both sides of the coin.

http://www.politifact.com/...ings/promise-broken/

But here are a few of my own that I guage presidential success with.

1. That he would end the recession, are you better off than you were when he was elected.
2. Unemployment went up under his watch and went passed the benchmark he promised it wouldn't.
3. Most jobs created under his watch were gov't ones.
4. Wouldn't have lobbyist working in his admin.

I can keep going. But your look a little to bloodied to continue.


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agreed - and I also think Catholic Hospitals should also clearly position themselves as Catholic - and not just in name, but also meaning they do not provide patients with healthcare that meets established medical standards

I hope you were trying to be funny (fail). Because that wasn't what I meant and you know it. When I said a STANDARD level of care, I meant that anybody who goes to the hospital that cannot pay would received a standard level of basic care and shouldn't be harrassed the rest of their life for getting that service. There is no doubt the system needs fixing, I just think the liberal utopian vision is an amputation when a little good medicine is all that is needed.


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I've got a friend who works for a very large Catholic hospital and their insurance covers her birth control.

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I haven't read everything, I've been on the beach, but for the life of me I cannot think of any reason for him to call her what he did and his apology says "I'm sorry but it's all the left's fault". How many people would accept that as an apology if their kids said that to them?

If he didn't have advertisers jumping ship he wouldn't have backed down. Seems like he's the prostitute now.

But aren't we all of the price is right?


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I believe I am a male whore as I had a vasectomy that my insurance covered. I did this for birth control and have had sex mutiple times so I am a male slut, I am so ashamed!


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I am not trying to be funny - but if a hospital decides to provide or not provide medical procedures and products not based on medical science and accepted practices - but on their beliefs - - - then they need to advertise and position themselves as such.
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I listened to the whole thing and he did not say "but it's all the left's fault."

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"I don't expect -- and I know you don't, either -- morality or intellectual honesty from the left. They've demonstrated over and over a willingness to say or do anything to advance their agenda. It's what they do. It's what we fight against here every day. But this is the mistake I made. In fighting them on this issue last week, I became like them.

Against my own instincts, against my own knowledge, against everything I know to be right and wrong I descended to their level when I used those two words to describe Sandra Fluke."

To me that says "Mom, I'm really sorry I hit my sister. I didn't mean to. But she started it! She's a meany"

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He framed this debate by labeling her a leftist activist, then when he got himself in trouble he "apologized" by saying he let himself stoop to the level of leftists. So his apology was really nothing more than him saying he's sorry he stooped to her level.

But what did you expect, really. It's Rush Limbaugh we're talking about here. He'll suffer from this like Joe Wilson suffered from calling the president a liar during the SOTU address. Which is to say, not at all. That sort of mentality will always find an audience that at a minimum tolerates it, and at worse encourages it.

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He has a lot of advertisers jumping ship right now. Not sure how much impact it will have but he is groveling as much as he knows how right now. Can afford to lose that advertising revenue!

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If he didn't have advertisers jumping ship he wouldn't have backed down. Seems like he's the prostitute now.

I don't care who you are, that's a good line. lol
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He framed this debate by labeling her a leftist activist, then when he got himself in trouble he "apologized" by saying he let himself stoop to the level of leftists. So his apology was really nothing more than him saying he's sorry he stooped to her level.

But what did you expect, really. It's Rush Limbaugh we're talking about here. He'll suffer from this like Joe Wilson suffered from calling the president a liar during the SOTU address. Which is to say, not at all. That sort of mentality will always find an audience that at a minimum tolerates it, and at worse encourages it.

I a curious which mentality you are referring to with Wilson? The mentality of truth or just that he spoke out at an inconvenient time?


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That is quite a bit different than what you said.

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Ha! Our biases are showing.

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Covered it in the last post. Both bad?.....eh, I don't really care about words as much as the intention, which is why I imagine the bigger analogy that the "the world is black or white" righties didn't seem to get. If women don't like it, then fine.

Did you get my explanation as to why advertisers ( not me .... Not the left, but advertisers) pulled from one but not the other? Or are you going to stick to your guns? Bad words are bad words and slut should be treated the same as jerk, regardless of (get this) context.

EDIT: Personally I don't really care that he called her a slut and a whore. It only does harm to himself.........as evidenced by the advertisements that have been pulled. I know you like his show, but it really is partisan hackery.

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he's married, so his wife may have an influence in this episode.
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I don't suppport that kind of language and he is eating appropriate crap for it.

Interesting on how that whole hearing went down though, right?

Was the thing with Ms. Fluke a formal hearing of the House or Representatives or a news conference?

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Wilson spoke the truth as he perceived it--which is to say, he voiced an opinion--in a way that is unbefitting a member of Congress and disrespectful to the office of the presidency. If that is to be viewed as an acceptable action, as you seem to suggest, we'd have similar outbursts by numerous Congressmen at every SOTU address.

I can't imagine you'd be supportive of that level of decorum under a Republican president.

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The minority party can't hold official Congressional hearings. I believe they're called forums, or something to that effect, when conducted by the minority.

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/...-to-follow-suit.html

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. . . and Catholic Hospitals should then stop receiving funds from State and Federal governments - and end their participation with programs such as Medicare and Medicaid - - - then that argument would hold water.


Probably they'll end their participation or they'll end up being sold -- if possible, though the nature of the income and outgo of most Catholic hospitals doesn't make them attractive for sales -- to a group that doesn't have a moral issue of conscience with the whole contraception scheme. Unfortunately, many people mistakenly believe the American bishops and, by extension, the Catholic Church in America, are fooling around or "bluffing."

They're really not, and if anybody pushing for this whole mandatory contraception scheme of the Obama administration would take a few minutes to read Loyola and what he says about the saving of souls versus the saving of the corpus they'd see that, above all else, the salvation of the soul comes way before the salvation of the body to those fellows (the bishops). I'd say that the possible loss to the public in America of a $98 billion Catholic healthcare system matters very little to them if it's a question of choosing between salvation and the frankly trivial work done to address the health of a person's body. Equally unfortunately, all the 'smart folks' around here can't see that the bishops look at this contraception thing as participating in an intrinsic, and possibly mortal, sin.

Now, I don't happen to agree with that viewpoint but it is what it is and the Church as an institution has been around for 2,000 years so who am I to presume to dictate to it what it should and should not believe as regards matters of the human soul, if such a thing indeed exists? What matters in all this is just what steps the Church will take to not have to participate in what it deems a sin, and that may mean not only the loss of Catholic hospitals, healthcare systems (and, if necessary, Sr. Carol Keehan -- head of the Catholic Health Association -- will be brought to heel and will submit to Church authority or she'll find herself no longer head of much of anything), a myriad of Catholic charities and even Catholic universities and schools around the country could close over this mandate, that's how serious the leaders of the Church are taking things.

Also, I'm still struggling to understand just how the government has the power to mandate any sort of health care coverage, or most anything else, for that matter? That one's a mystery to me.

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Allstate Insurance stops buying ad time from Limbaugh

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...0305,0,4216475.story

Sears stops advertising with Limbaugh

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...0305,0,3309424.story
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Hey man, did you here what they were saying about you? Check out the Troll thread:

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread

look at post #8
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Good on her for using the high profile of this event to shed light on the larger problem (and the hypocrisy from the left). Tammy Bruce found the same a decade and a half ago while working in California NOW leadership; leftist politics trumps the righteous cause.
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Good on her for using the high profile of this event to shed light on the larger problem (and the hypocrisy from the left). Tammy Bruce found the same a decade and a half ago while working in California NOW leadership; leftist politics trumps the righteous cause.

I love it. "The grand poobah of media misogyny is without a doubt Bill Maher." Yeah, he's a pizza-faced, dope-smoking little misogynist dwarf, that's for sure. And he thinks he's actually funny, which is funny in and of itself. But, he supports the rights of non-whites, or sommat. Thanks, Bill! I was wondering how I was ever going to do well in this world without all your "help."

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It's as if she has been reading the enlightened comments from the those in the LR that have already pointed this fact out.

I give her kudos for treating this with the seriousness it deserves, and for that fact that she is smoking ass hot and...

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It's as if she has been reading the enlightened comments from the those in the LR that have already pointed this fact out.

I give her kudos for treating this with the seriousness it deserves, and for that fact that she is smoking ass hot and...


...she dated Anthony Weiner, at one time. ;-)

FWIW, for several years she's been pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left when it comes to the Taibbis and Mahers of the world and how really misogynistic they are.

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From the Limbaugh link I posted earlier:

Now, the hearing that started all of this, I want to go back and put the timeline here in context, start at the very beginning. The hearing that started all of this was called by Darrell Issa, a California Republican, he's the head of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Issa is on our side. His point in calling this hearing was to get facts into the record that otherwise would not be aired. But his committee is made up of both Republicans and Democrats, and there are rules and procedures that are followed in calling witnesses. What this was all about was the president of the United States acting extra-constitutionally, mandating that Catholic churches and their schools provide contraceptives, abortifacients. He doesn't have that power constitutionally. He cannot mandate these things.

That was the original purpose of the hearing. He was to get facts into the record that otherwise would not be aired, but his committee is made up of Republicans and Democrats and there are rules and procedures that are followed in calling witnesses. So the Democrats tried to play a game with Darrell Issa and his committee, and he rejected it. What they did was, they requested a witness for his hearing, a man named Barry Lynn to make their points for them. Barry Lynn is a guy that remits the Democrat point of view. They asked for him in advance. Issa's committee checked him out, invited him, and prepared for his testimony. Issa agreed he has a degree of expertise about the subject matter of the hearing, which was not contraception. That's what Obama wants to turn this into.

Obama is sorely hurting with women in preelect polls. He wanted to turn this into an issue much as they used to use abortion. So the Democrats played the game. What happened next is instructive, and it's very important. At literally the last minute the Democrats decided they want Sandra Fluke. What happened next, at the last minute the Democrats decided that Sandra Fluke would be a better witness for them, not because she had any special knowledge or credentials like Barry Lynn has, but because her optics as a woman and a college student, a 30-year-old college student and an activist on Democrat issues, by the way.
They thought all of that would show better than Barry Lynn. Now, this is at 4:30 p.m., 4:30 in the afternoon, the day before the hearing that the Democrats asked Issa to un-invite Barry Lynn, the guy they had asked for originally, and replace him with Sandra Fluke. Darrell Issa said (paraphrased), "Sorry, it's too late. She hasn't been vetted. We don't know who she is. She doesn't have any real qualifications to appear before this committee. We don't have the time to prepare for her and ask her questions. So the answer is: 'No. You cannot have her testify.'" All of this, by the way, is in a very interesting Washington Examiner article from last week, and I've linked to it at RushLimbaugh.com so you can read it yourself.

Now, the Democrats and the leftists sensed opportunity over this controversy that they created themselves. They publicly turned the situation they created to their own advantage. They invite Barry Lynn. They disinvite him at the last moment and they want him replaced with Sandra Fluke. "Who is this? We don't know who she is." The second panel of witnesses. It was Carolyn Maloney. If you don't recall last week, Carolyn Maloney, Democrat from New York, started shouting, "Where are the women? Where are the women?" They start saying Republicans hate women; they started attacking Issa and Republicans on the committee, saying, "They don't want hear from women! They're misogynist, sexist," or what have you.

Issa's committee invited the Democrat choice again, Barry Lynn, and the Democrats on the committee tried to replace him at the very last minute with this sympathetic woman when it was too late for the committee. So again they said no. So the Democrats played their game of lies, and Issa complained. On February 16th, he said, "The Democrats on his committee have appeared," this is a quote, "outright giddy in attempting to distort the testimony offered and purpose of the hearing." You bet they did. They wanted to turn this from a committee hearing on Obama and his unconstitutional mandate to the issue of contraception so as to bring back to life page 1-A of the Democrat playbook: Republicans Hate Women.

They wanted to change the whole subject. So how did they do it? Well, the Democrats have their own little subcommittee called the steering committee. This subsets inside the larger oversight and reform committee that Issa chairs. And they wanted their sympathetic witness on the record, Sandra Fluke. So they called her to testify before them, not Issa's committee. The subcommittee. They staged what was essentially a conference to look like a committee hearing. She gave the testimony that she was going to give to the full committee. It was taped and released and made to look like a committee hearing. And Darrell Issa had been right all along. Her testimony was not that of an expert.

It was just another non-expert person in this case, in Sandra's case: A 30-year-old, longtime birth control activist who went back to law school after a career of years of championing birth-control issues. In fact, she told stories less about birth control as a social tool (which was, of course, the left's true agenda) and more about birth control as a medication for treating other conditions, such as pregnancy. To the left, pregnancy is a disease. If you're listening to me for the first time, you may say, "Well, that's crazy." It's not. They treat pregnancy as a disease for political purposes. All of this, folks, is political.

Sandra Fluke gave vague examples based on unnamed friends who she says couldn't afford birth control to treat medical conditions they had, since Georgetown University wouldn't pay for them. Georgetown paid for all of their other medical treatment, but it wouldn't pay for the birth control pills that these doctors prescribed should they be necessary -- or so she says. We still don't know who any of these friends of hers are, these other women, and we don't know what happened to them. Her testimony was hearsay, and it was unprovable. And Issa was right not to let her give the testimony, particularly when the Democrats foisted her on the committee at the very last minute for the express purpose of pulling this fast one, this trick.

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I was just trying to figure out which part you were addresing.

I agree it wasnt the best place to voice the fact. I would hope you agree that with the loads of evidence that it is far beyond just his opinion.


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I was just trying to figure out which part you were addresing.

I agree it wasnt the best place to voice the fact. I would hope you agree that with the loads of evidence that it is far beyond just his opinion.

I was as unhappy with Wilson's outburst as I was with Obama berating the SC justices for not ruling his way. There is a certain rah rah note to SOTU addresses that is supposed to be there, and these things damage that tradition. There's every other hour on every other day of the year to deal with the realities.
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Wilson did alright, though, on the fundraising front. I know I sent him 25 bucks after the thing blew up, but that was to make sure the Left didn't capitalize too much on the issue and rake in big bucks for his opponent that year. To this day, I still get a weekly email from the Joe Wilson folks. 'Course, I get 'em from Scott Brown, from Ken Cuccinelli (The Cuccinelli Compass thing), from Alan West, from Marco Rubio, from Rob Portman...you name 'em! ;-)

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From the Limbaugh link I posted earlier:



They wanted to change the whole subject. So how did they do it? Well, the Democrats have their own little subcommittee called the steering committee. This subsets inside the larger oversight and reform committee that Issa chairs. And they wanted their sympathetic witness on the record, Sandra Fluke. So they called her to testify before them, not Issa's committee. The subcommittee. They staged what was essentially a conference to look like a committee hearing. She gave the testimony that she was going to give to the full committee. It was taped and released and made to look like a committee hearing. And Darrell Issa had been right all along. Her testimony was not that of an expert.

It was just another non-expert person in this case, in Sandra's case: A 30-year-old, longtime birth control activist who went back to law school after a career of years of championing birth-control issues. In fact, she told stories less about birth control as a social tool (which was, of course, the left's true agenda) and more about birth control as a medication for treating other conditions, such as pregnancy. To the left, pregnancy is a disease. If you're listening to me for the first time, you may say, "Well, that's crazy." It's not. They treat pregnancy as a disease for political purposes. All of this, folks, is political.

Sandra Fluke gave vague examples based on unnamed friends who she says couldn't afford birth control to treat medical conditions they had, since Georgetown University wouldn't pay for them. Georgetown paid for all of their other medical treatment, but it wouldn't pay for the birth control pills that these doctors prescribed should they be necessary -- or so she says. We still don't know who any of these friends of hers are, these other women, and we don't know what happened to them. Her testimony was hearsay, and it was unprovable. And Issa was right not to let her give the testimony, particularly when the Democrats foisted her on the committee at the very last minute for the express purpose of pulling this fast one, this trick.

What's the difference between a conference and a committee hearing?

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Wilson did alright, though, on the fundraising front. I know I sent him 25 bucks after the thing blew up, but that was to make sure the Left didn't capitalize too much on the issue and rake in big bucks for his opponent that year. To this day, I still get a weekly email from the Joe Wilson folks. 'Course, I get 'em from Scott Brown, from Ken Cuccinelli (The Cuccinelli Compass thing), from Alan West, from Marco Rubio, from Rob Portman...you name 'em! ;-)

Alan Grayson?


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You realize that she was never arguing for promiscous sex, don't you? She was arguing for contraception for health reasons - like cancer. It is only that fat fuk Limbaugh that has taken it upon himself to call this private woman every vulgar name in the book. What is wrong with that person?


Dude birth control is like $10 a month.

She says she drained her savings to pay for birth control, some $3,000 worth over 3 years (she's a sex addict and a financial idiot.)

What the hell did she buy a gold and diamond encrusted chastity belt?

She's a sex addict that needs help--hopeful she gets treatment for her affliction.

Maybe if she wasn't getting laid so much she would read up on the latest and most cost effective contraception choices: including birth control pills, patches, caps, rings, shots, diaphragms, implants, spermicides (foam, jelly, cream, film), male condoms, female condoms, morning-after pills, Depo-Provera, IUDs, pulling out, tubal ligation etc.

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xtremrun wrote:
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But in the end, this is a non-issue serving as a distraction driven by liberals who cannot defend a single thing this failure of a president has done.


http://www.politifact.com/...ulings/promise-kept/

Here is a little short list but don't let facts get in the way of your partisan talking point. You might not like what he has accomplished but he has accomplished quite a bit.


I'm sorry, I don't make the habit of confusing more spending or liberal utopian policies that have done little to pull us out of this mess we are in with success. And if you want to start quoting politifact, how about you include both sides of the coin.

http://www.politifact.com/...ings/promise-broken/

But here are a few of my own that I guage presidential success with.

1. That he would end the recession, are you better off than you were when he was elected.
- 2. Unemployment went up under his watch and went passed the benchmark he promised it wouldn't.
3. Most jobs created under his watch were gov't ones.
4. Wouldn't have lobbyist working in his admin.

I can keep going. But your look a little to bloodied to continue.

Hey. I can handle a beating! I never said he was able to keep all his promises. What President ever has? But considering where the country was at the end of the last Republican administration I think he has done a great job! Especially when you consider he has been working with a republican congress thats sole focus is to prevent him from accomplishing anything.
Yes I am better off. I lost my Job during the end of the Bush administration and my 401K was in the tank. Now I have a great job and my 401K is doing outstanding!
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It's as if she has been reading the enlightened comments from the those in the LR that have already pointed this fact out.

I give her kudos for treating this with the seriousness it deserves, and for that fact that she is smoking ass hot and...

Yeah I know, she and I along with Meagan Kelly got into a deep discussion over this one night before we turned the lights out.

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That is a different argument with infinite possibilities. And is a debate well beyond a one sentence question. They deserve tax benefits because they also provide charitable service which I would argue is the business of a religous organization. In fact, I think they are a better provider than our gov't for such welfare. But if you want to really expand the scope of the discussion by all means. Why should my tax dollars provide food stamps that can be used to buy junkfood contributing to obesity and more health cost, when a charity can do so cheaper, with better controls to prevent fraud? Why should my tax dollars go to fund advocacy groups that steer public policy, in many cases with junk science? Why does my taxpayers dollars go to subsidize alternative fuels that absent subsidies would never pass a cost benefit analysis? On the same note, why are my taxpayers going to oil subsidies that make oil artificially cheap so we do not seek alternative sources of energy? In other words, each issue is complex and goes beyond a simple question. While we are at it, why am I paying income taxes, when for 200 years our federal gov't was funded solely on tariffs and taxes on foreign goods?

So if you want to really discuss this, why don't you give me more details to support your question?

I didn't express a desire to expand the discussion beyond what I questioned. And, IMO, you invalidate the power of your argument for purpose of religious charities when in a post above you write "I'm pretty sure a 10 minute metro ride would get you in close proximity to a public health clinic which would provide all she sought at affordable prices or even free of charge."

This isn't an issue of religious freedom or tyranny. Nobody is mandating that anyone use birth control. It's an issue between employer and employee and the way that Americans have tied health insurance to jobs.

The legislation proposed simply expanded the level of coverage for people to decide for themselves what is right for them rather than an employer dictating for them what they can and can't choose for health care.

Finally, I can say that there are many things I could point to in defense of this president, but I'll choose one that you might consider valid and that is that he got bin Laden...so that's one thing.

Maybe you should lay off the Absolut (es) :-) ....I'm kidding :-)
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I didn't express a desire to expand the discussion beyond what I questioned. And, IMO, you invalidate the power of your argument for purpose of religious charities when in a post above you write "I'm pretty sure a 10 minute metro ride would get you in close proximity to a public health clinic which would provide all she sought at affordable prices or even free of charge."

This isn't an issue of religious freedom or tyranny. Nobody is mandating that anyone use birth control. It's an issue between employer and employee and the way that Americans have tied health insurance to jobs.

The legislation proposed simply expanded the level of coverage for people to decide for themselves what is right for them rather than an employer dictating for them what they can and can't choose for health care.

Finally, I can say that there are many things I could point to in defense of this president, but I'll choose one that you might consider valid and that is that he got bin Laden...so that's one thing.

Maybe you should lay off the Absolut (es) :-) ....I'm kidding :-)

That is the essence of the whole argument. If you don't think the catholic church or its entities will have to pay for the insurance company providing contraception, than you don't understand economics and how it applies in the market place. There is NO such thing as a free lunch. Insurance companies do not provide any service free of charge. Here in Florida, all health insurance policies must provide hair transplant (in special cases) you don't think that has an added cost to those of us who don't want this coverage. So by mandating they or the insurance company make this a mandatory provision, the church is paying for it. Now I don't agree with them not supporting it, but that is irrellevant. Ultimately the problem lies in how the system is set up, employers being in the insurance business.


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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I didn't express a desire to expand the discussion beyond what I questioned. And, IMO, you invalidate the power of your argument for purpose of religious charities when in a post above you write "I'm pretty sure a 10 minute metro ride would get you in close proximity to a public health clinic which would provide all she sought at affordable prices or even free of charge."

This isn't an issue of religious freedom or tyranny. Nobody is mandating that anyone use birth control. It's an issue between employer and employee and the way that Americans have tied health insurance to jobs.

The legislation proposed simply expanded the level of coverage for people to decide for themselves what is right for them rather than an employer dictating for them what they can and can't choose for health care.

Finally, I can say that there are many things I could point to in defense of this president, but I'll choose one that you might consider valid and that is that he got bin Laden...so that's one thing.

Maybe you should lay off the Absolut (es) :-) ....I'm kidding :-)


That is the essence of the whole argument. If you don't think the catholic church or its entities will have to pay for the insurance company providing contraception, than you don't understand economics and how it applies in the market place. There is NO such thing as a free lunch. Insurance companies do not provide any service free of charge. Here in Florida, all health insurance policies must provide hair transplant (in special cases) you don't think that has an added cost to those of us who don't want this coverage. So by mandating they or the insurance company make this a mandatory provision, the church is paying for it. Now I don't agree with them not supporting it, but that is irrellevant. Ultimately the problem lies in how the system is set up, employers being in the insurance business.

The church will still be doing business with insurers adding to their profits enabling them to expand their products provide abortion and birth control to MORE people. And that's just the tip of the hypocrisy of their argument.

In addition, I don't think you understand the economics of the situation. I'm not an expert in insurance but It's my understanding that the cost of providing contraception across an average risk pool is actually cheaper than not so the cost to the church really is really a moot point.

I agree with you on the bolded.
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theforge wrote:
Rufus T. wrote:

I didn't express a desire to expand the discussion beyond what I questioned. And, IMO, you invalidate the power of your argument for purpose of religious charities when in a post above you write "I'm pretty sure a 10 minute metro ride would get you in close proximity to a public health clinic which would provide all she sought at affordable prices or even free of charge."

This isn't an issue of religious freedom or tyranny. Nobody is mandating that anyone use birth control. It's an issue between employer and employee and the way that Americans have tied health insurance to jobs.

The legislation proposed simply expanded the level of coverage for people to decide for themselves what is right for them rather than an employer dictating for them what they can and can't choose for health care.

Finally, I can say that there are many things I could point to in defense of this president, but I'll choose one that you might consider valid and that is that he got bin Laden...so that's one thing.

Maybe you should lay off the Absolut (es) :-) ....I'm kidding :-)


That is the essence of the whole argument. If you don't think the catholic church or its entities will have to pay for the insurance company providing contraception, than you don't understand economics and how it applies in the market place. There is NO such thing as a free lunch. Insurance companies do not provide any service free of charge. Here in Florida, all health insurance policies must provide hair transplant (in special cases) you don't think that has an added cost to those of us who don't want this coverage. So by mandating they or the insurance company make this a mandatory provision, the church is paying for it. Now I don't agree with them not supporting it, but that is irrellevant. Ultimately the problem lies in how the system is set up, employers being in the insurance business.


The church will still be doing business with insurers adding to their profits enabling them to expand their products provide abortion and birth control to MORE people. And that's just the tip of the hypocrisy of their argument.

In addition, I don't think you understand the economics of the situation. I'm not an expert in insurance but It's my understanding that the cost of providing contraception across an average risk pool is actually cheaper than not so the cost to the church really is really a moot point.

I agree with you on the bolded.

Come on man, if you take every instance where your actions contradicted your beliefs regardless of the materiality of those actions, we would all be hypocrits. Did you not say in a previous to layoff the absolutes. The only solution would be to not provide any coverage for their employees at all. Maybe that is what they should do so they aren't hyprocritical in your view. It comes down to their belief that they are directly funding a practice they do not believe in and a gov't all too willing to force them to. Plain and simple.

Also, you are right, in my opinion. The cost of birth control are mitigated against the cost. But those numbers are anecdotal and based on a theory that you would have the same frequency of sex off birth control that you would on birth control. In otherwords, it isn't really quantifiable so not a legitimate argument on its own merits. Nor does it matter, because the church feels they would be contributing to a behavior that goes against their tenants with the gov't literally forcing them to at the barrel of a gun. I'm not catholic, and I think their beliefs on this matter are archaic and counterproductive. But we must value the constitution, and if the president can force through executive authority a church to do what it believes is against its sacred rules, the constitution becomes that much weaker. That is my argument and my sole argument on this matter. The constitution is there to protect us from a wave of Sandra Fluke or a wave of Kirk Camerons. What is so hard for you to understand about this?


"In the world I see you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Towers. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway." T Durden
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It's as if she has been reading the enlightened comments from the those in the LR that have already pointed this fact out.

I give her kudos for treating this with the seriousness it deserves, and for that fact that she is smoking ass hot and...
Yeah I know, she and I along with Meagan Kelly got into a deep discussion over this one night before we turned the lights out.

You might have had enough for the day. It appears you're now carrying on a conversation with yourself.

Slowguy

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