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WINNER (tie breaker with other 3:54s was he called win or place too). Judge decision.

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Win or place. 3:54

Not really a Lance fanboy but no one has him being the sharp end of the stick.....I'd honestly be surprised if he isnt top two. In one of the events he's going to surprise folks, probably the other two he'll merely meet expectations. My money is on him doing something special (for him) in the run. Guy is fit, fast and a fierce competitor even in mini golf (or so I hear). I guess we will see soon enough,

I imagine 24:30-2:09:00-1:18:00 with the rest in transitions.
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If he is doping again then there will be no stopping him.
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If this thread takes flight, can you edit to add what the winning time will be, etc. Just to give some perspective?


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3:59:59

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I say winner goes 3:53....Lance goes right around 4 hours +- a minute


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If this thread takes flight, can you edit to add what the winning time will be, etc. Just to give some perspective?
Of course.
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3:59:30.

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He finished yesterday.
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3:58, but only because he will stop for a potty break, to help a passing motorist fix a flat, and to kick the shit out of Chuck Norris.
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4:05 & he will have the #1 bike split at 2:08
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No way he goes sub-4:00 - I can see him going no faster than 4:07 and that is generous. My bet is on 4:20.

S - 25:00 (based upon 49:12 at Red Liquorice 2.4 mile swim on 4/14/11)
B- 2:14 (25 mph)
R-1:25 (based on 1:22 at Livestrong Half on 2/21/11)
T1 & T2: 3:00
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Why do we have to do this everytime this guys name comes up?

I thought people on this board had the best interests for triathlon.
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he will beat Chuck Norris.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Salmon Steve] [ In reply to ]
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We do. People with an association of cheating do not help a sport - whether they are innocent or not - its not good for the sport.
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No way he goes sub-4:00 - I can see him going no faster than 4:07 and that is generous. My bet is on 4:20.

S - 25:00 (based upon 49:12 at Red Liquorice 2.4 mile swim on 4/14/11)
B- 2:14 (25 mph)
R-1:25 (based on 1:22 at Livestrong Half on 2/21/11)
T1 & T2: 3:00

I dont usually participate in these threads, but you cant be serious with that bike split? Loads of people on this board can split that and run considerably faster than 1:25 and none are near the caliber of athlete.

I dont love or hate the guy but 2:14?

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I was trying to see what the course is like, it says challenging. But yeah, if he's going 25mph it's a damn hard course.
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4:02
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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I fully expect his split to be in the top three. Even on a challenging course, the likes of Lieto dont split 2:14. Unless I'm underestimating the challenge of that course.

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i aint close to lances ability and i can throw a 4:20 with 10 hours per week of training.

he goes under 4:05 with ease.
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Fastyellow wrote:
I say winner goes 3:53....Lance goes right around 4 hours +- a minute

x2

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Thats a sad statement....but, I knew some idot would have to tie the 2 together!
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tricrazy wrote:
Thats a sad statement....but, I knew some idot would have to tie the 2 together!

lol - you knew some "idot" did you ?

I think it's a fairly sensible statement to be honest.
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I fully expect his split to be in the top three. Even on a challenging course, the likes of Lieto dont split 2:14. Unless I'm underestimating the challenge of that course.

I don't know bike splits we for halfs and I'm on my phone so I didn't want to dig much but 25 for pro is quite pedestrian pro.
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ill say 4:20 just because im toking a joint right now and that seems the appropriate number at this time. thank you.

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I will volunteer up a whopping 4:07:13


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4:02::23.7
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4:04:20
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what was the winning time last year?
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He will DNF since he will not start. This smells of more Juan Pelota is doing Kona in '09, '10 and '11 crap to me. He won't even show up at the starting line.

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Lance, the greatest of all time

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Cake wrote:
If he is doping again then there will be no stopping him.


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Under 4:00 - Whoa. Doubt it. But, last time I predicted a LA time for his 500, I was pretty far off.

It'll be interesting to see if he takes a Lieto approach on the bike, or if he leaves some legs for the run. I think he is capable of running under 1:20 but I guess it'll depend on how hard he works the bike.

That said, I think he needs to work the bike and race off the front and then suffer through the run to better his chances of a high finish. Maybe he'll get some top pros to go with him and blow up, but I doubt they will fall for that.

For what it is worth, I think he COULD take Lieto but wont in this race.
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Under 4:00 - Whoa. Doubt it. But, last time I predicted a LA time for his 500, I was pretty far off.

It'll be interesting to see if he takes a Lieto approach on the bike, or if he leaves some legs for the run. I think he is capable of running under 1:20 but I guess it'll depend on how hard he works the bike.

That said, I think he needs to work the bike and race off the front and then suffer through the run to better his chances of a high finish. Maybe he'll get some top pros to go with him and blow up, but I doubt they will fall for that.

For what it is worth, I think he COULD take Lieto but wont in this race.

I don't think he could take Lieto... Chris is too strong on the bike and will be close to Lance's time over 90k.

I agree that he needs to blow up the bike and then hold on. It will be interesting to see what happens and his strategy!


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For what it is worth, I think he COULD take Lieto but wont in this race.

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He will be so fast that they will quit even having 70.3 races because the standard he will set will beuntouchable.

He will singlehandedly end triathlon as we know it
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I think ALL conversations about "whats his face" should be in pink. ...and pink should be made the official "who gives a fuck" color



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clietzow wrote:
Under 4:00 - Whoa. Doubt it. But, last time I predicted a LA time for his 500, I was pretty far off.

It'll be interesting to see if he takes a Lieto approach on the bike, or if he leaves some legs for the run. I think he is capable of running under 1:20 but I guess it'll depend on how hard he works the bike.

That said, I think he needs to work the bike and race off the front and then suffer through the run to better his chances of a high finish. Maybe he'll get some top pros to go with him and blow up, but I doubt they will fall for that.

For what it is worth, I think he COULD take Lieto but wont in this race.


I don't think he could take Lieto... Chris is too strong on the bike and will be close to Lance's time over 90k.

I agree that he needs to blow up the bike and then hold on. It will be interesting to see what happens and his strategy!

Chris is certainly no master tactician as has been proven time and time again. Not to sound too harsh but he sort of races like an idiot at times. He may try to hold Lance's wheel and completely cook himself... or he may not.

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juanpelota Juan Pelota
Just off the bike with the @BontragerLS boys. 115 tough miles. Great kids. They even took it easy on the old man - sorta.
6 Feb

Hold on a minute: Lets say you were training hard as a triathlete...Would you be doing KOM's with a cycling team in Austin 2 days before a 70.3 race???
There is photo's all over my facebook page of Lance riding what seems to be pretty hard and for 115 miles of sub-hilly country. I aint a pro, but it seems to me that Lance didn't go to Panama and I think it's waaaaay to late to head down now. I just a called a buddy in Austin and Lance was around town this morning. I think this whole thread was useless...

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juanpelota Juan Pelota
Just off the bike with the @BontragerLS boys. 115 tough miles. Great kids. They even took it easy on the old man - sorta.
6 Feb

Hold on a minute: Lets say you were training hard as a triathlete...Would you be doing KOM's with a cycling team in Austin 2 days before a 70.3 race???
There is photo's all over my facebook page of Lance riding what seems to be pretty hard and for 115 miles of sub-hilly country. I aint a pro, but it seems to me that Lance didn't go to Panama and I think it's waaaaay to late to head down now. I just a called a buddy in Austin and Lance was around town this morning. I think this whole thread was useless...

Well, FWIW, the race is Sunday, so today is 4 days before the race. 2 days before the race would be Friday.

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Hold on a minute: Lets say you were training hard as a triathlete...Would you be doing KOM's with a cycling team in Austin 2 days before a 70.3 race???

you should see what he did 2 days before his first world championship

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He also has his own plane... For him goin there would be like driving a couple hours to the race
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Winner chicken dinner. I bet he is on the plane on Thursday and while he might be able to eventually beat Chris he won't until he does a couple races. Pacing a triathlon is much different than road racing.

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association of cheating? WTF?

And yet I get freakin' slammed when I bring up Sister M*%onna! :-(

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Lame--just answer the post. If you want to flame Lance then start your own post---close to Troll-like behaviour....don't go to the darkside!

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Orcaman wrote:
clietzow wrote:
Under 4:00 - Whoa. Doubt it. But, last time I predicted a LA time for his 500, I was pretty far off.

It'll be interesting to see if he takes a Lieto approach on the bike, or if he leaves some legs for the run. I think he is capable of running under 1:20 but I guess it'll depend on how hard he works the bike.

That said, I think he needs to work the bike and race off the front and then suffer through the run to better his chances of a high finish. Maybe he'll get some top pros to go with him and blow up, but I doubt they will fall for that.

For what it is worth, I think he COULD take Lieto but wont in this race.


I don't think he could take Lieto... Chris is too strong on the bike and will be close to Lance's time over 90k.

I agree that he needs to blow up the bike and then hold on. It will be interesting to see what happens and his strategy!

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Also, Leanda Cave just retweeted some story about Lance possibly being at Panama, followed by "It's on!".
She's travelling now (according to her Twitter), so why couldn't Lance be heading there tomorrow?

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He also has his own plane... For him goin there would be like driving a couple hours to the race

Rumors are that he sold his plane... but I'm sure he could use the Nike plane.. ;)


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ericM35-39 wrote:
Tri or Die wrote:

Hold on a minute: Lets say you were training hard as a triathlete...Would you be doing KOM's with a cycling team in Austin 2 days before a 70.3 race???


you should see what he did 2 days before his first world championship



what did he do?

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No way he goes sub-4:00 - I can see him going no faster than 4:07 and that is generous. My bet is on 4:20.

S - 25:00 (based upon 49:12 at Red Liquorice 2.4 mile swim on 4/14/11)
B- 2:14 (25 mph)
R-1:25 (based on 1:22 at Livestrong Half on 2/21/11)
T1 & T2: 3:00

Good analysis and you'll probably be right but I could definitely see him going sub 4. To wit:

-49 min IM equates to a 23.5 min H-IM....4:05:30
-On that couse with good conditions he does a 2:09----4:00:30
-Transitions.....might be a bit generous---4:01:00
-I think if he needs to he can run 1:23:30.....3:59:30

Again, needs to be good conditions....calm and not so hot.

Of course the real question is how high will he place....

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Speaking of private planes, see Matty Reed's Facebook. Hmmmmmmmm
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"Best result: Lance Armstrong, DNS." Why would that be the best result?
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The top 15 guys at Kona average 25mph on the bike. You really think Lance isn't capable of better than that?? Really??

I think you have been hanging out with Demi Moore.
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awesome post!

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I'm not a fan of everything Lance might do being hyped. Sure, great cyclist. I'm more interested in how Paul Amey will do.
If Lance ends up competing regularly on long course then I'll be interested. Right now he's a 70.3 phantom -- he's done pretty well in XTerra, and he used to be fantastic on short course. A few years ago he was doing mountain bike racing up at Leadville and doing well.

So to help kill all the wild speculation, a DNS might be best IMO. Then if he does compete it'll be without as much hype. If he wins something, bring the fanfare on. I'll cheer. Until then, I'm curious, but I think it detracts from the other athletes' achievements and professional standing to hype up Lance.

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He says he is going to do an "ironmantri". Not sure if he means 140.3 or not.
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that hype is going to happen whenever he decides to do a tri. I am sure the pro men that are racing him, welcome it....gives them a little more motivation to crush lance. All those pro's know lances intentions.....hopefully, it will be a big boost for all the pro's that have been racing a long time as far as money coming in for prizes , more sponsors, etc....
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Good spot on Twitter... (I don't follow Lance).
Still, here's the picture he tweeted with that:
Can Slowtwitch critique Armstrong's aero position? Who's crazy enough to start??
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drsteve wrote:
I'm not a fan of everything Lance might do being hyped. Sure, great cyclist. I'm more interested in how Paul Amey will do.
If Lance ends up competing regularly on long course then I'll be interested. Right now he's a 70.3 phantom -- he's done pretty well in XTerra, and he used to be fantastic on short course. A few years ago he was doing mountain bike racing up at Leadville and doing well.

I'd say breaking the course record in 2009 by beating the guy who won the last 6 in a row is a little better than..."doing well"....
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btmoney wrote:
drsteve wrote:
I'm not a fan of everything Lance might do being hyped. Sure, great cyclist. I'm more interested in how Paul Amey will do.
If Lance ends up competing regularly on long course then I'll be interested. Right now he's a 70.3 phantom -- he's done pretty well in XTerra, and he used to be fantastic on short course. A few years ago he was doing mountain bike racing up at Leadville and doing well.


I'd say breaking the course record in 2009 by beating the guy who won the last 6 in a row is a little better than..."doing well"....

Sure, but on his second attempt. He was beaten, by the guy whose record he took, in 2008 (and in 2008 David Wiens set yet another course record). Lance came back to win after that, and with an awesome time (smashing the course record). Lance's course record has since been broken, with four riders faster than his old course record. It's not like he showed up once, smashed the record and no-one can touch it. He's a top professional cyclist, not Astroboy. He was doing well. I stand by that.

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The top 15 guys at Kona average 25mph on the bike. You really think Lance isn't capable of better than that?? Really??

I think you have been hanging out with Demi Moore.

23-25 mph was the range for the top 25 overall at Kona last year, about the same for Vegas. These are the top guys putting down these times.

Is LA capable of doing better stand alone, absolutely. However, I think it is fair to say pacing is going to be an issue given lack of recent and elite level experience running off the bike and biking after a swim. Lance maybe racing pro, but he is not a elite level pro triathlete right now. A 2:10 bike split is going to be at or near the top in most 70.3. If Lance does 2:10 (almost 26 mph), he will pay for it on the run. He ran a 1:22 at the Livestrong Houston Half Marathon last year, stand alone on fresh legs.

Part of me hopes he goes sub-4 with a 2:05 bike and lays it down for the win, but his past results do not indicate this is likely.
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I'll say top-3, behind Lieto and Docherty. I see Lance having a nice lead out of T-2 and losing the race on the run. 3:57.
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SpeedRacer1 wrote:
The top 15 guys at Kona average 25mph on the bike. You really think Lance isn't capable of better than that?? Really??

I think you have been hanging out with Demi Moore.

Michie Weiss seemed to overtake him quite easily at Maui.... (another can of worms)
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You have to figure in Amey, Boom Boom, Henning, Cunningham, and Tollakson. The field is stacked for an early season race and it will definitely be a good gauge to see where his fitness is over the distance.

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I'm just bummed his swim wave is only 4 minutes behind mine. It would be cool to be passed on the bike by him, but he will probably get me in the water and I won't even know it. My prediction: 4:09:15.
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I'm just bummed his swim wave is only 4 minutes behind mine. It would be cool to be passed on the bike by him, but he will probably get me in the water and I won't even know it. My prediction: 4:09:15.

Pros go off first so you won't be seeing him at all.

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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [JustinNorCal] [ In reply to ]
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He's going to do IMMT. Said it before, I'll say it again. It's perfect for him & the race.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [J_R] [ In reply to ]
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hahahahahahaha

You seem hurt or something? Dont be angry with me I didnt feed your hero all the EPO.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Cake] [ In reply to ]
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Hilarious. Thanks for making me laugh out loud.
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Cake wrote:
hahahahahahaha

You seem hurt or something? Dont be angry with me I didnt feed your hero all the EPO.

Not hurt at all, I just like to acknowledge deserving accomplishments.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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3:57

Along with the fastest bike split of the day.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [jrd5497] [ In reply to ]
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FROM TEAM LIVESTRONG (email from Lance)

This is a big decision, and I wanted to make sure you heard from me first.
In a few hours, I’m getting on a plane to Panama to race in a triathlon—and I have committed to race in four more with Team LIVESTRONG in 2012.
Getting back into competition will be a big challenge for me personally, but it’s nothing compared to what we need to accomplish this year in the fight against cancer.
The first race is days away, and it would mean so much to me and every Team LIVESTRONG member to know we have your support.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [sciguy] [ In reply to ]
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Is he racing as a pro? I thought I heard he was racing as an AG'er. Would make more sense for him to race as a Pro though. I guess he has his card from doing Xterra.
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Dooayne Tries wrote:
ericM35-39 wrote:
Tri or Die wrote:

Hold on a minute: Lets say you were training hard as a triathlete...Would you be doing KOM's with a cycling team in Austin 2 days before a 70.3 race???


you should see what he did 2 days before his first world championship




what did he do?

A transfusion?

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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [J_R] [ In reply to ]
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Dry those eyes already.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [NJSteve] [ In reply to ]
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He finished yesterday.

*snort*

lol
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Well, thus far the vast majority are saying 3:57 to 4:07.
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Cake wrote:
Dry those eyes already.

I can't , I'm still laughing so hard that I am crying at the notion that anyone could think that one "feeds" on EPO.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [J_R] [ In reply to ]
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HAhaha you think everything is literal. You live in a funny world. No wonder you get upset so easily.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Cake] [ In reply to ]
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Judging by his twitter updates, he's in solid form for this time of year, so it will be interesting to see where he is compared to where the other pro's are at. Either way it's going to be an exiting race.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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4:01 with a top 3 bike split.

"One Line Robert"
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [wsrobert] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't see it already so I'm gonna throw it out there as my chances of being correct should be higher than the rest of you...

DNF

I kinda hope not, cuz I want to see an official number with no excuses to see how he does. But still, I'd like to WIN this thread. haha!
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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btmoney wrote:
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A few years ago he was doing mountain bike racing up at Leadville and doing well.


I'd say breaking the course record in 2009 by beating the guy who won the last 6 in a row is a little better than..."doing well"....


Sure, but on his second attempt... He's a top professional cyclist, not Astroboy. He was doing well. I stand by that.



This all comes down to your definition of "well". Leadville isn't a TT. And bike racing isn't an all out effort. It's tactical. LA flatted 10 miles from the finish in '09 and rode with a flat (and his time still is only 5 minutes off the current record). The point isn't that he had the best time ever. The point is that he won one of the most prestigious mountain bike races in the world on his SECOND try. That is incredible when he doesn't even have a history of mnt bike racing (to my knowledge).
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Coasterx] [ In reply to ]
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I didn't see it already so I'm gonna throw it out there as my chances of being correct should be higher than the rest of you...

DNF

I kinda hope not, cuz I want to see an official number with no excuses to see how he does. But still, I'd like to WIN this thread. haha!

Damn, you took my answer.
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The point is that he won one of the most prestigious mountain bike races in the world on his SECOND try. That is incredible when he doesn't even have a history of mnt bike racing (to my knowledge).

Uhh, the Leadville is not one of the most prestigious mountain bike races in the world. It is not even a pro race.

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you're right. that was an exaggeration. maybe better filed under 1-day-endurance-races-in-the-US.
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What if LA goes sub 4 and wins? I don't think that is likely, and I would bet against it, but what if it happened and he shocked us all?

Would it rattle the pros and put a little fear in the mix?
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What if LA goes sub 4 and wins? I don't think that is likely, and I would bet against it, but what if it happened and he shocked us all?

Would it rattle the pros and put a little fear in the mix?

It would be a sad indictment on the quality of professional triathletes racing today if he comes out and starts winning from the gate. I do not see it happening, though.
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You have to figure in Amey, Boom Boom, Henning, Cunningham, and Tollakson. The field is stacked for an early season race and it will definitely be a good gauge to see where his fitness is over the distance.

I'd say to watch out for Jesse Thomas as well. The guy has apparently learned how to swim really well and runs almost as fast as Raelert. His bike is a question mark though. Hopefully they got that sorted this winter because it definitely isn't due to lack of power (20min power test over 400watts). Maybe finally not having to borrow a bike will help.



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Did Thomas get a bike sponsor? Sky's the limit for him at this point.

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Good analysis and you'll probably be right but I could definitely see him going sub 4.

I agree, sub-4 is well within the realm of possibility. I don't know much about the course, but the bike looks like it has a few big rollers and the run looks flat, maybe equivalent to Oceanside or something.

Swim - He'll come out of the water with the main pack in 24-25 assuming it is not wetsuit legal for the pros.
Bike - I'm sure he could ride with Lieto, but who knows how hard he'll push it first time out. For a former-pro data point, Jalabert had the 13th fastest bike split at Vegas 70.3 and was 7min behind Lieto and 3min behind Crowie, I'm sure Lance is faster than Jalabert. I'm guessing Lance will ride with Lieto, say 2:10-2:12.
Run - Judging by the Strava runs Lance is posting (I saw a tempo run with 4miles at 5:30ish pace), it looks like he could run 1:15-1:18.

Include 3min for transitions and it adds up to 3:52-3:58. My official prediction is 3:55:43.

Craig
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rcmioga wrote:
Good analysis and you'll probably be right but I could definitely see him going sub 4.


I agree, sub-4 is well within the realm of possibility. I don't know much about the course, but the bike looks like it has a few big rollers and the run looks flat, maybe equivalent to Oceanside or something.

Swim - He'll come out of the water with the main pack in 24-25 assuming it is not wetsuit legal for the pros.
Bike - I'm sure he could ride with Lieto, but who knows how hard he'll push it first time out. For a former-pro data point, Jalabert had the 13th fastest bike split at Vegas 70.3 and was 7min behind Lieto and 3min behind Crowie, I'm sure Lance is faster than Jalabert. I'm guessing Lance will ride with Lieto, say 2:10-2:12.
Run - Judging by the Strava runs Lance is posting (I saw a tempo run with 4miles at 5:30ish pace), it looks like he could run 1:15-1:18.

Include 3min for transitions and it adds up to 3:52-3:58. My official prediction is 3:55:43.

Craig

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I am by nature an optimistic person.

That said, maybe we should institute "Price is Right" rules - closest to the actual without going over ;)

Craig
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Did Thomas get a bike sponsor? Sky's the limit for him at this point.

He's posted that he will be on his own bike this year and not borrowing one. Not sure who it is though. He's on with Pearl Izumi and First Endurance though.



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I have no idea about his swim/bike split... but I can guarantee that he will not run sub 1:20 for the 21.1k. If his open PB is 1:22, I think he will be around 1:25-1:30...
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I don't know what his half-marathon PB is, but I think he ran a 2:47 at either Boston or NYC during his first retirement. He also didn't give up much time to Stoltz on the run at the XTerra US Champs last year. Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if he went 4:16-4:20... just so I could tell my wife that I am fast as a 7-time TdF winner, but I really think he'll go much faster.

Craig
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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If he gets beat badly I hope he doesn't get pissed and try and find other avenues to gain an advantage outside of training. This isn't like the Xterra racing, or running marathons for fun. I think he wants to do well, and it's pretty cut and dry here if you can keep up or not in the non-draft road triathlon format. If he doesn't do well he's not gonna like it.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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speedplays??
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [eganski] [ In reply to ]
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eganski wrote:
speedplays??

Gross.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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Win or place. 3:54

Not really a Lance fanboy but no one has him being the sharp end of the stick.....I'd honestly be surprised if he isnt top two. In one of the events he's going to surprise folks, probably the other two he'll merely meet expectations. My money is on him doing something special (for him) in the run. Guy is fit, fast and a fierce competitor even in mini golf (or so I hear). I guess we will see soon enough,

I imagine 24:30-2:09:00-1:18:00 with the rest in transitions.
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%FTP wrote:
What if LA goes sub 4 and wins? I don't think that is likely, and I would bet against it, but what if it happened and he shocked us all?

Would it rattle the pros and put a little fear in the mix?


It would be a sad indictment on the quality of professional triathletes racing today if he comes out and starts winning from the gate. I do not see it happening, though.

So says Chrissie Wellington...
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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James Haycraft wrote:
eganski wrote:
speedplays??


Gross.
x2
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Aralo wrote:
James Haycraft wrote:
eganski wrote:
speedplays??


Gross.

x2

Macca won Kona using Speedplays. They must be the best.

Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Aralo] [ In reply to ]
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Is he doing a full IM?
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Insidious] [ In reply to ]
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x2...well said.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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He will win. He will win Kona 50 times. He is unstoppable. He is the greatest.

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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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3:55:12

...and he nails 2 volunteers by midnight.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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looks like Tek just uped the ante with a UCI illegal version...


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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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I'm interested to see how Bevan Docherty will go. He's prob the fastest runner there and is a really strong cyclist (witness Athens where him and Carter destroyed the field). Always weird when you get a 2 time olympic medallist competing and all the talk is about some american triathletes without a quarter of his pedigree.
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lacticturkey wrote:
looks like Tek just uped the ante with a UCI illegal version...


I'll give you a B+...you forgot the bottle cages:)

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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [MI_Mumps] [ In reply to ]
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I think I read somewhere that Jesse Thomas got picked up by Specialized. I hope that's true. Seems like a nice guy and a talent.
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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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I say he beats Lieto on the bike. Comes in under 4 depending on if the course is easy or not I don't know.
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He's been training hard. (I get his tweets.) His run might be up a notch. Swim about 23:50. Bike will be under 2:05. That course may be hot, but is no Alpine challenge. Final time prediction: 3:55.

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24, 2:06, 1:22, +2min. 3:54.
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Wow! Too much bike porn on this site...my palms are itching from hair growth.

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"If he gets beat badly I hope he doesn't get pissed and try and find other avenues to gain an advantage outside"

Lawyers?

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Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Robert] [ In reply to ]
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The fact that Lance signed up for a few M-dot races this year is pretty cool, I thought I would weigh-in on it...

My FIRST experience with Lance, without Lance, was as a 13 year old passenger in my dad's old BMW Bavaria driving from Missoula, MT to a race in Spokane, WA. A few local Montana guys in their early 20's had convinced my dad that if he loaned them his car, that they would take me to Washington for this 4 stage, 3 day race. They didn't have any other way to get there and my dad couldn't take the weekend off work to drive me, so the deal was sealed. In our car were myself, Brink Kuchenbroad (a Montana all-star rider for years), Jason Van Marle (a Montana guy who later turned pro for 4-5 years) and Levi Leipheimer. I was friends with Jason and Brink, and I barely knew Levi. I remember just before we left somebody got the call that Lance Armstrong had won the 1993 World Championships Road Race. An unheard of feat for a 21 year old in his first season as a European professional. I could tell this result struck a deep chord in Jason and Levi, who were both extremely motivated to make it to the top of cycling and at the time hadn't made it very far...

I raced with Lance when I was a Junior National Team Cyclist, as a 16 year old in 1996 at Superweek in Wisconsin. I think he was 25 maybe. Lance had dropped out of the Tour de France with "health problems" which would later be diagnosed as cancer, and he wanted to race before the Olympic Games. He and Kevin Livingston from Team Motorola came and raced a few days of Superweek because he wanted some racing before the Atlanta Olympics. He was impressive, I remember one stage he and Horner broke away from our group of maybe 20 and rode the last 20 miles as a duo, he beat Horner in the 2-up sprint and at that time, they were both considered to be VERY fast sprinters. Not field sprinters, but certainly guys who would win from groups who would make selections over smaller climbs. He went on to have a frustrating Olympic road race and placed 6th maybe in the TT in Atlanta? Not bad for a guy three weeks out from a life-threatening cancer diagnoses.

Two years later, I was a member of the US Junior World Championship Team in Holland. The US Team all stayed together in the same hotel. (Juniors, Pros, U-23's, Women) Lance was there, we ate together a few times. As an impressionable 18 year-old it was a pretty amazing experience. Remember, at this time he wasn't a 7-Time Tour Winner, or even a Tour winner, but for an up-and-coming US cyclists he was pretty much God. He was also everything people had said; intense, motivated, witty, charming, and now a cancer survivor having just returned to the highest level in cycling. There is no doubt in my mind he had that special "aura" to him that can only be described by seeing it. His final result the week before in the Vuelta de Espana showed that for the first time in his career, not just in his comeback, he was showing strength in a Grand Tour. He was climbing and time trialing with the best of them and I really noticed while out riding a couple of times how he was visibly 15-20 pounds lighter than the Lance I rode with two years before. He wasn't really a house-hold name in the US yet, but those of us deeply involved in cycling knew that this guy may now one day win the Tour de France. I believe in that World Champs he placed 4th in the road race and 4th in the TT. My mom was sick with cancer at that time, and she came and watched me race there in part because Lance was racing. So I have both sides covered, in that I experienced him from a racing stand-point and how that influenced me, and also from a cancer-family stand-point knowing the hope and inspiration that he gave my mother and our family during her battle with cancer. It really was an amazing thing!

So he goes on to win 7 Tours, I go on to do not too much, I've raced pro triathlon the last ten years with variable levels of success, nothing too amazing. Anyway, it was cool lining up with him at the Urban Dirt Tri last fall as the only other "pro" in the field. Lance looked pretty big to me, maybe pre-cancer bike racing Lance plus 5 pounds? It was hard to say. My hope was that being a decent mountain biker, if I could exit the water close then draft off of him on the road sections (drafting is legal in mountain bike triathlons) for at least the first half of the bike, and not lose too much time in the second. Perhaps off the bike, having not lost too much time I could out-run him. Seeing him race morning, coming from someone who has watched him closely his whole career, I seriously felt like I had chance. LOL

On the swim, he took off with Mike Melley, Mike swam a 4:24 500 in college, or something like that, I'm not a terrible swimmer, I've gone 24:28 at Wildflower Half, close to 50 in IM swims, and this was only 800 meters. I lost a minute.... Onto the bike, again, I'm solid on the MTB, I had just gone 6:43 and placed 2nd overall at Barn Burner, a small 104 mile mountain bike race with maybe 10 pros, but still, I'm not Lance but certainly proficient on the MTB. Lance blew me away, every split i got I rode harder and harder and was still losing gobs of time. In the end he outsplit by almost 3 minutes I believe, or maybe just under, I think he rode 46 and I rode 49 (minutes). I hit the run 4 minutes back, tired, but thinking I could run a 16:30 5k on this technical course and perhaps pull back 90 seconds and keep it from being embarrassing. I felt like I had a decent run, and in the end we ran about exactly the same time, I think he even out-ran me by a few seconds. This part was really surprising to me because like you guys I saw his Boston/NYC marathon times, and I've seen his running style isn't the most graceful. Also, I've gone 1:09 recently in a Rock n Roll half off the couch, I figure I could probably go 1:06-1:07 in a flat half marathon if I worked at it a little and tapered down, so CERTAINLY I was sure I would out-run him. Not the case.

I think now Lance has put together a few months of good training, has lost weight, upped his mileage, and unlike in the fall is actually taking the racing seriously. I believe his crash at Xterrra Worlds affected his run badly, in fact I don't think he even ran hard there because his times didn't add up. His 5th in Ogden at Xterra Nationals was what I believe was similar to his 2nd at Leadville a few years back, which for Lance was an off the couch result which was out of shape Lance and just for fun.

He's physically and mentally superior IMHO to anyone who has ever competed in endurance sports, I think he's probably more suited to cycling than triathlon, but just barely, and I think he's not "OLD" yet being about the same age as Chris Lieto and not much older than Crowie or Macca. Don't underestimate him, I can tell you none of the pros are. One big advantage he has over most of the other guys is endless resources. I can tell you that most pros are on their own for many of the logistics that go into racing an International event like the one down in Panama. Flying charter, having a physical therapist, mechanic, driver, all those things, it's certainly worth a couple percent. Those are my two cents, he may win or may not, but I wouldn't bet against him short or long-term if he decides to be serious about triathlon.

As far as pro cyclists doping, I have no idea. Of course it was big into cycling but I never did it and I didn't see too many people do it. Lance is a ridiculous talent whether he did or didn't, and as far as whether he is now for triathlon? Zero percent chance.
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One more thing to add to this, I had a brief discussion with Lance on the "podium" post Urban Dirt Tri which is still pretty funny to me:

Lance says,"So dude, I ran to my bike after the swim and was putting my second shoe on and some older lady was leaning over the transition fence SCREEEEAMING at me saying,"Lewis is going CATCH YOU, Lewis is going to CATCH YOU, Lewis is going to CATCH YOU!!!!!" So as I was getting on my bike I just turned around and looked at her and said,"NO HE'S NOT!"

I still wonder who that lady was....
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Lewis,

Thanks so much for the great first hand story. It's a breath of fresh air.

Hugh

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x2, good stuff!
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Bout time someone said something intelligent about the whole thing.

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LewisElliot wrote:
He's physically and mentally superior IMHO to anyone who has ever competed in endurance sports, I think he's probably more suited to cycling than triathlon, but just barely, and I think he's not "OLD" yet being about the same age as Chris Lieto and not much older than Crowie or Macca. Don't underestimate him, I can tell you none of the pros are. One big advantage he has over most of the other guys is endless resources. I can tell you that most pros are on their own for many of the logistics that go into racing an International event like the one down in Panama. Flying charter, having a physical therapist, mechanic, driver, all those things, it's certainly worth a couple percent. Those are my two cents, he may win or may not, but I wouldn't bet against him short or long-term if he decides to be serious about triathlon.

Excellent post, amd great to get some personal insight. The only thing I'd disagree with is the physical superiority.
The thing that really should be highlighted though, well, I highlighted it. He's talked openly about the advantage he has in having a team on call for everything. Of course, that's not something that comes up in most of these discussions. That's why I'm still rooting for the established pros, because they don't have his resources.

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Kudos to you my friend, for a great story, keen insight, and fair prediction all grounded in personal experience. One of my favorite posts of all time.

Thank you for sharing, was great fun to read.

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    According to his interview, he reads the forum for advice - http://www.slowtwitch.com/...s_Tri_Bike_2568.html
    so advantage, um, Lance. :)
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    Thanks for sharing that - great insight for sure.

    I'm surprised about your assessment of his running though. Very interesting.

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    Lewis,

    Thanks so much for the great first hand story. It's a breath of fresh air.

    Hugh

    Yep, definitely a great read! That's the kind of stuff that makes this a place to hang out...

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    By any chance was that race in Washington the West Plains Hammerfest in Cheney ('92)? They had race leaders wear shark helmet covers?


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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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    Agreed. I pulled out an old result sheet where as an 18 year old ('89) he was over 28mph for over 60k and put about 8 minutes on the next fastest cyclist (Scott Molina). I don't know how he will pace but he could drop who he wants when he wants.


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    "Yep, definitely a great read! That's the kind of stuff that makes this a place to hang out..."

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Skoalz] [ In reply to ]
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    I think I'm more excited to see his bike split than anything. Rumor has it he's been doing century rides immediately followed by 5 to 7 mile runs and 75 mile rides followed by 12-15 mile runs. By the looks of things he definitely wants to exploit his strength. I know Lieto is capable of 26mph bike split and a 1:10 - 1:15 marathon. I'm thinking Lance will attempt to put 3-4 minutes on Lieto. Everyone else is going to sit back and hope those two blow each other up and take advantage. ;-)
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    Hey what race was that and where was it? I was looking for some circa 1988 or 1989 race results in Lewisville, TX.

    That is what some folks forget or rather don't know. For as much as people talk about how triathlon has not gotten 'that' much faster, as a teenager, LA was beating the pants off of some really good athletes. Maybe not every race, but certainly enough of them.

    I got a text from a good friend tonight asking if he could go top-5. Yeah, I think so. I think top-3 if he runs well. Times don't really matter in the grand scheme of things so I'm not getting wrapped up in the times. I think that Bevan is the unknown, and in my opinion a favorite. Chris maybe...especially with the rumors of a 'fast' current aided swim...but I think that Lance swims better, rides better, and probably runs equal. That one will be a question of triathlon experience. Rasmus as well depending on which Rasmus shows up and depending on what 50 hours of travel do. Matt Reed, same as Rasmus without the travel. Richie clearly is very experienced and races well and crafty.


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    It was the Heritage International Triathlon in Provo, Utah.


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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Fantastic post. Thanks for taking the time. So tell me/us what you think he does time wise this weekend?
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    all of his bike/run workouts are on strava, so no need to try to guess
    http://app.strava.com/athletes/125154
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    I guess that's the big question, what Lance will do this weekend...?

    My feeling, and it's just a feeling, is he's not where he could be and that he could get "the bug" at this race causing him to really go for it. Go for it means pulling out ALL the stops. Let's not forget Lance 2 years ago in Kona with Dr. Lim swallowing mini-thermometers to test how hot an aero helmet made his core temperature in Kona conditions... That's pretty serious... I find it interesting that he's been in the wind tunnel, testing things, that's already more serious than I thought he'd be. He says he came "way forward" with his saddle, yet he's still on the back Trek Speed concept setting with the saddle all the way back mostly, he's probably 4-5 cm behind the BB now. On his TDF TT bike he was about 7cm behind, so this was not to comply with the UCI standards, but where he had the most power. That said, he was spending the majority of his time at 9 or so cm behind the BB on his road bike, so 7 may have worked best for him at the time. Now, 4-5 cm is a good compromise for an open-hip good running off-the-bike tt position. Don't be fooled though, this is a VERY slack angle compared to the majority of triathletes. I think he probably has good power and good aero numbers in his "new" position. Sorry, I'm off on a tangent.

    So right now, I think Lance can swim lead group, can bike with Lieto, and probably run as well or close to as well as Lieto. Which brings up another point, I think people don't give Lieto nearly the respect he deserves as a cyclist. Right now, with the swimmer upper body and everything, he's a Pro-Tour level cyclist. If he focused only on riding, he could be a GOOD Pro-Tour rider. I think Chris knew or always felt that, he could be the best Ironman triathlete in the world, and one time a couple years back he came within 2 minutes of doing that. I give him credit for sticking with his dream even though he is really that good on the bike.

    Even considering his vast experience as a cyclist, I don't think Lance is probably that well-versed in what happens in a half marathon in a 70.3, and certainly not as a 40 year old. This is why he says he'll race conservatively, which I think is code for,"sticking at the front on the bike, with Lieto." He could break down out there on the run, but I think he also could run near Lieto, or say 4-6 minutes off a Jesse Thomas, Rasmus, or Reed on a good day. I think those two could have a big gap off the bike together and it could be very interesting. One thing I haven't heard mentioned is how psyched Lieto must be that Lance appears to be seriously coming out to play. Last year after Kona, I think there was talk of Lieto quitting IM due to justly being frustrated by the legal/illegal draft packs and wind blocking media that make breaking away nearly impossible. Well now he's got Lance, and where do you think the wind-favorable media is going to be hanging out? If Lieto ever had a fair shot at Kona, this year may be it...

    Could Lance win? Sure. Will he win? I think probably not yet. Is he capable of beating all these guys? Yes, and half IM IMO will be his best distance. Although clearly, based on the races he picked out, he's thinking about Kona. I'll go out on a limb and say I think he'll win a 70.3 this year. If you were going to do odds on this race though, it would be hard even without Lance. Who's the favorite? If somebody had a 1/6 chance of winning, that would be pretty darn good... I would give Lance nearly that...

    Just a side note. As a pro, Lance has done something really cool. Age-groupers want to think it's about them, and it is, but not totally. He picked out a schedule with,"The intention of scoring enough pro-points to qualify for Kona." Here's a guy that could decide morning-of, and probably get to race Kona, but instead, he's going to go pick up the points like every other pro. This is far more tedious than even finding one qualifier and rocking-it like age-groupers have to do, which is awesome BTW. We complain about the system as pros because it's expensive and hard from a scheduling perspective, but of all people Lance Armstrong certainly could find many reasons NOT to want to do this... All of us pros agree there needs to be a system in place, and although not perfect, it's what we've got right now. I think Lance is giving huge legitimacy to the sport, the sponsors, and the professionals within Ironman triathlon, by working his way up the rankings into a Kona qualifying spot, or at least trying to. I think he genuinely cares about triathlon, and many people don't realize that smart and professional decisions like these are "giving back" in a major way.
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    You should post here more often.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [gregn] [ In reply to ]
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    You should post here more often.

    Agreed.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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    Yes, thanks!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Very interesting post. I hope he gets the 'bug' to do well. I think IM France could be his best result for the year if he goes in full health. It will suit his climbing and technical ability and he could just leave everyone behind in the hills. Then being so far ahead he will be able to relax and run at his own pace. I wouldn't discount one of the previous IMFrance winners passing him late in the run though. Running 42kms well after the bike/swim is the hard part and I don't see LA ever going sub 3hrs. I believe he could(have) but he is leaving the triathlon return pretty late in his athletic carreer I reckon.
    As for IMKona, I think he will be tired out by October. If he does well there and keeps getting stronger during the season I will be amazed. And I agree about having such a big support crew, that is worth 10mins in an ironman, over a struggling pro who does it all themselves.


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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SWoo] [ In reply to ]
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    Looks like he's doing about 150 miles per week lately, at least if strava has all his miles. That's really low for a pro but he probably doesn't need to do that much to be really strong on the bike. But that would imply he's well below protour form.

    No question he has the potential to duke it out with the best in the sport but I don't think he's done enough training to do that yet. I expect him to do reasonably well to start but not be competitive for the win. It should be interesting to see how much he improves over the season.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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    GMAN19030 wrote:
    gregn wrote:
    You should post here more often.


    Agreed.

    You guys can't have him, Lewis is all ours here in the Valley pf the Sun and we won't share. :) Great stuff, Lewis!

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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    lacticturkey wrote:
    looks like Tek just uped the ante with a UCI illegal version...


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    4:10
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    LewisElliot wrote:
    Right now, with the swimmer upper body and everything, he's a Pro-Tour level cyclist. If he focused only on riding, he could be a GOOD Pro-Tour rider.

    I appreciate the insights and agree with everything you've written except this statement about Chris Lieto. I'd give a decent domestic pro rating at best. Not sure he would have ever made it as a pro-tour rider. He had a few good results racing as an amateur against mid level domestic pros, but nothing that would suggest pro-tour greatness.

    Here is something to chew on. It is a file from the last stage of the Tour of Quatar from Ian Stannard. Stannard is a domestique on Sky. Definitely not one of the stars of the pro-tour.

    https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...4IQRAQIR7QWAB3DP6CSE

    I don't think Chris has it in to produce those kind of numbers..



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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    Did i miss it? Why isnt his name on the participant list?
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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    Ex-cyclist wrote:
    LewisElliot wrote:
    Right now, with the swimmer upper body and everything, he's a Pro-Tour level cyclist. If he focused only on riding, he could be a GOOD Pro-Tour rider.


    I appreciate the insights and agree with everything you've written except this statement about Chris Lieto. I'd give a decent domestic pro rating at best. Not sure he would have ever made it as a pro-tour rider. He had a few good results racing as an amateur against mid level domestic pros, but nothing that would suggest pro-tour greatness.

    Here is something to chew on. It is a file from the last stage of the Tour of Quatar from Ian Stannard. Stannard is a domestique on Sky. Definitely not one of the stars of the pro-tour.

    https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...4IQRAQIR7QWAB3DP6CSE

    I don't think Chris has it in to produce those kind of numbers..


    Agreed. I say this knowing that Chris is by far the more experienced triathlete and having a good bike sets up a good run... but why does anyone think Lieto (or any triathlete) is remotely in Lance's cycling universe? The comments like "Lance will have a top-3 bike split" or "He'll be close to Lieto" just sound absurd to me. I think it's absurd if he doesn't have the top bike split unless he plays it real conservative this weekend just because it's an unknown to him. I wouldn't expect him to be conservative after this race. Lance is arguably the greatest cyclist who has ever lived. Out of the billions of people that have ridden a bike, he's #1. Lieto couldn't beat the worst TdF rider on his best day. Lance won the f'n thing 7 times and came in 2nd just three years ago (moving him up from third due to Contador losing the crown).

    He swims as good if not better than Lieto and will be in the mix on the swim. He has no equal on the bike. The run is the big question. I expect him to be first out of T2 at any race he wants. Can he hold on? We shall see. He certainly isn't going to win any foot races against the likes of Crowie, Raelert, Macca, and many others. His strategy won't be unlike Lieto's strategy in building a cushion on the bike in an attempt to hold on. It works okay for Chris in most places outside of Hawaii.

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    GMAN19030 wrote:
    Ex-cyclist wrote:
    LewisElliot wrote:
    Right now, with the swimmer upper body and everything, he's a Pro-Tour level cyclist. If he focused only on riding, he could be a GOOD Pro-Tour rider.


    I appreciate the insights and agree with everything you've written except this statement about Chris Lieto. I'd give a decent domestic pro rating at best. Not sure he would have ever made it as a pro-tour rider. He had a few good results racing as an amateur against mid level domestic pros, but nothing that would suggest pro-tour greatness.

    Here is something to chew on. It is a file from the last stage of the Tour of Quatar from Ian Stannard. Stannard is a domestique on Sky. Definitely not one of the stars of the pro-tour.

    https://www.trainingpeaks.com/...4IQRAQIR7QWAB3DP6CSE

    I don't think Chris has it in to produce those kind of numbers..


    Agreed. I say this knowing that Chris is by far the more experienced triathlete and having a good bike sets up a good run... but why does anyone think Lieto (or any triathlete) is remotely in Lance's cycling universe? The comments like "Lance will have a top-3 bike split" or "He'll be close to Lieto" just sound absurd to me. I think it's absurd if he doesn't have the top bike split unless he plays it real conservative this weekend just because it's an unknown to him. I wouldn't expect him to be conservative after this race. Lance is arguably the greatest cyclist who has ever lived. Out of the billions of people that have ridden a bike, he's #1. Lieto couldn't beat the worst TdF rider on his best day. Lance won the f'n thing 7 times and came in 2nd just three years ago (moving him up from third due to Contador losing the crown).

    He swims as good if not better than Lieto and will be in the mix on the swim. He has no equal on the bike. The run is the big question. I expect him to be first out of T2 at any race he wants. Can he hold on? We shall see. He certainly isn't going to win any foot races against the likes of Crowie, Raelert, Macca, and many others. His strategy won't be unlike Lieto's strategy in building a cushion on the bike in an attempt to hold on. It works okay for Chris in most places outside of Hawaii.

    Eddy Merckx was better and will always be the best. I'd probably put Hinault 2nd. LA was definitely the best Tour rider of the recent generation.

    I don't think the point was that Chris was close to or equal to LA, but that he could have been a pro-tour rider. We'll never know that for sure, but saying he is currently pro-tour quality is a big stretch. I think even Lieto has made comments confirming that.



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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [GMAN19030] [ In reply to ]
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    Lance is arguably the greatest cyclist who has ever lived.

    That is absurd.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Thanks for making it worth reading through all those pointless posts. Good stuff.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [acumenjay] [ In reply to ]
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    x20. Wish LewisElliot would post a lot more often!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Ex-cyclist] [ In reply to ]
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    I don't think the point was that Chris was close to or equal to LA

    I know it wasn't your point but it was the point of many others in this thread and others like it. I don't think a lot of people understand just how much better professional cyclists (let alone someone in Armstrong's stratosphere) are than professional triathletes on the bike. I know Lance has to hold back something so he can run but his 85% is better than Chris' 85% or however you want to look at it.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [jstonebarger] [ In reply to ]
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    GMAN19030 wrote:
    Lance is arguably the greatest cyclist who has ever lived.


    That is absurd.

    It's absurd to say the only guy who won seven consecutive TdF is arguably the greatest cyclist ever??? I didn't say he was the greatest, I said he was arguably the greatest. He's on the very, very short list. My point was Lance is about a million notches higher than Lieto on the greatest cyclist list.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    Not sure if this has been brought up. (I only have a 2 page ST attention span)... Has anyone looked at the temps for Panama city tomorrow? 28 at the start. 45 at noon. This could have a major impact on the finishing times. Extra T1 and T2 time to cover up, not to mention the misery. There could be some DNFs. God forbid some of these pros get uncomfortable (some). This is going to be awesome!!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cmonster] [ In reply to ]
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    I'm guessing that in celcius that you posted up but either way. Why would they be covering up? That seems like a normal summer race temp around here.

    Weather.com has 76F at the start and 89F at 11 when they are finishing.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    We chatted with George Hincapie and he had some thoughts on Lance racing in Panama.

    http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=J5K7RZh3CG8

    Pus Hincapie now sponsors quite a few triathletes.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Great post!
    Many thanks.

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    Only became interested in cycling in late 90's. But if you don't consider LA on the short list of greatest cyclist then who do you put on the list? Just curious.

    As I mentioned above I only been watching cycling a little over 20 years but in that time LA has been clearly the most dominate cyclist. Also he is easily the best known cyclist worldwide by a large margin. It is always open for interpretation on who you define the "greatest". Like him, hate him, you can not argue with a couple of things:

    1) The best known cyclist of all time. This is worldwide as a % of population name recognition. There is no other cyclist that would come close. In America if you asked 10 people to name a famous cyclist 9 out of the ten would only be able to name LA. I understand it would be very different in Spain/France/Australia and other places. But travel even to a country like China. He had incredible name recognition and there is not other cyclist that would be anywhere close. In a country like France I would guess LA would have as much name recognition as Voeckler.


    2) Had an impact on the sport. LA has easily had the most impact on cycling in history
    3) Performance. I don't know how to compare. Won 7 straight. Only one to do it. In 1 and 2 LA is so far ahead it is an easy comparison.


    4) What else? Consistency? Longevity? Persistence? Think Lance would do pretty well in these categories. Ambassador for the sport? Coming back? Overcoming adversity? Sportsmanship?





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    We chatted with George Hincapie and he had some thoughts on Lance racing in Panama.

    http://www.youtube.com/...ed&v=J5K7RZh3CG8

    Pus Hincapie now sponsors quite a few triathletes.

    Your Mic is to high.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    Humidity will be a huge factor also. Finishing a hard, competitive run in fairly high heat and humidity will 'thin the herd'. Lieto and Armstrong have shown they can race in the heat.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [bartturner] [ In reply to ]
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    Only became interested in cycling in late 90's. But if you don't consider LA on the short list of greatest cyclist then who do you put on the list? Just curious.

    As I mentioned above I only been watching cycling a little over 20 years but in that time LA has been clearly the most dominate cyclist. Also he is easily the best known cyclist worldwide by a large margin. It is always open for interpretation on who you define the "greatest". Like him, hate him, you can not argue with a couple of things:

    1) The best known cyclist of all time. This is worldwide as a % of population name recognition. There is no other cyclist that would come close. In America if you asked 10 people to name a famous cyclist 9 out of the ten would only be able to name LA. I understand it would be very different in Spain/France/Australia and other places. But travel even to a country like China. He had incredible name recognition and there is not other cyclist that would be anywhere close. In a country like France I would guess LA would have as much name recognition as Voeckler.


    2) Had an impact on the sport. LA has easily had the most impact on cycling in history
    3) Performance. I don't know how to compare. Won 7 straight. Only one to do it. In 1 and 2 LA is so far ahead it is an easy comparison.


    4) What else? Consistency? Longevity? Persistence? Think Lance would do pretty well in these categories. Ambassador for the sport? Coming back? Overcoming adversity? Sportsmanship?





    Look up Eddy Merckx or Bernard Hinault - their palmares run rings around Armstrong. Lemond had a much more profound effect on cycling in the US than Armstrong. He was the FIRST to WIN at the highest levels in Europe and blazed the trail on how to do it. He popularized the modern time trial bike in the pro peloton. I would even go as far to say that LeMond in his prime was better than Armstrong. He had to overcome the greatest French rider ever on his own team to win his first tour. Hinault was RUTHLESS. Much more difficult than a basket case Jan Ullrich. All of the greats would have had a difficult time with Miguel Indurain - best time trialist ever. Plus, he set such a high tempo the climbs that it was next to impossible to take much time out of him. Armstrong is the best rider of the 2000's. However, to say he is better than Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, etc is blatant homerism.
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    So what you're saying is....

    "
    I got a text from a good friend tonight asking if he could go top-5. Yeah, I think so. I think top-3 if he runs well. Times don't really matter in the grand scheme of things so I'm not getting wrapped up in the times. I think that Bevan is the unknown, and in my opinion a favorite. Chris maybe...especially with the rumors of a 'fast' current aided swim...but I think that Lance swims better, rides better, and probably runs equal. That one will be a question of triathlon experience. Rasmus as well depending on which Rasmus shows up and depending on what 50 hours of travel do. Matt Reed, same as Rasmus without the travel. Richie clearly is very experienced and races well and crafty."

    Good insight, thanks for the post and if you'll be a 'regular' welcome!
    :)



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    There is Merckx, then there is everyone else. There is no argument.

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    I believe a lot of people are being overzealous. Does anyone know how much time Lance has been training, especially on the bike? Dont think he is even close to TDF shape. Plus, when he raced tri's they were always Olympic dist or shorter. I think he will be conservative on the bike but will lose a lot of time the last five miles of the run. Wont guess a time but will guess he will come in around 8th place which would be great all things considered, also considering the strength of the field.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [BBB1975] [ In reply to ]
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    you guys are funny most of you say that you dont like LA yet you cant stop posting about him. Who cares who was the best the thread is about what time you think he will get not how good he was. There are plenty of threads about that
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [kdlsch111] [ In reply to ]
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    he doesn't need to be in TDF shape on the bike 80 percent of TDF shape is better than almost all the pro triathletes on the bike right now. He came in second off the bike at xterra worlds AFTER wrecking himself hard enough to get a concussion. He also just swam a 5:07 500, if he can swim that he'll be up with everyone that matters on pretty much any swim besides an ITU race and especially in a 70.3. I don't know if he'll be able to run with the top guys for the whole time. But him being first off the bike wouldn't be surprising in the least.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    Yep. Went and looked at my weather.com and it was florida. Read twice post once I suppose. Don't know it automatically went to that. I just assumed.
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    BBB1975 wrote:
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    Only became interested in cycling in late 90's. But if you don't consider LA on the short list of greatest cyclist then who do you put on the list? Just curious.
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    1) The best known cyclist of all time.
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    2) Had an impact on the sport. LA has easily had the most impact on cycling in history
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    3) Performance. I don't know how to compare. Won 7 straight. Only one to do it. In 1 and 2 LA is so far ahead it is an easy comparison.
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    4) What else? Consistency? Longevity? Persistence? Think Lance would do pretty well in these categories. Ambassador for the sport? Coming back? Overcoming adversity? Sportsmanship?


    Look up Eddy Merckx or Bernard Hinault - their palmares run rings around Armstrong. Lemond had a much more profound effect on cycling in the US than Armstrong. He was the FIRST to WIN at the highest levels in Europe and blazed the trail on how to do it. He popularized the modern time trial bike in the pro peloton. I would even go as far to say that LeMond in his prime was better than Armstrong. ... Armstrong is the best rider of the 2000's. However, to say he is better than Merckx, Hinault, Indurain, etc is blatant homerism.

    Okay, it's the time prediction thread. I already predicted a fast time (several pages back), but I'm going to go out on a limb and put Amey, Lieto and Cunningham in 1st, 2nd, 3rd. So, now that's done...
    1. Best known cyclist of all time - this is a function of whether you're into cycling, and when you lived. Recent champs will always be better known that past masters. In his time, Merckx was a rock star cyclist (and is still a legend). In other countries, homegrown heroes have much higher stature than they do here, so best known where? And LeMond was/is famous. Armstrong has broken the US mainstream better, and if that's your benchmark then sure, he's the best known.
    2. Most impact on cycling: Armstrong doesn't make this list, IMO. Sure, he won the TdF 7 times, but Merckx had way more influence on the sport. So did LeMond. Indurain won the TdF 5 times in a row, and made an impact at the olympics, as well as winning other major stage races (which Armstrong did not). Chris Boardman had a major impact on cycling too, both track and road. Boardman, Merckx and Indurain have all held the World Hour Record. Boardman still does. Pantani was a joy to watch climbing, and despite widespread allegations of doping (just like some other cyclist we like to talk about), he also never failed a drug test. Regardless, his climbing prowess and aggressive style had a big impact on fans and riders.
    3. Performance. There's a difference between TdF performance and being the best cyclist. You've got to be one of the top riders to stand a chance of winning, but you won't get there unless your team is strong. Armstrong had a very strong team around him.

    I'm not hating on Lance, but is he on the shortlist of "greatest cyclists of all time"? Well, if you make that road racers, and make the shortlist at least 8 long, maybe.

    [back on topic] So yeah, I'm predicting a fast race with Lance outside the top three, but a time of around 3:54 (or whatever I said back on page 2(?)).

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [kdlsch111] [ In reply to ]
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    A couple of quick thoughts to the interesting replies on here before I run out the door to do the Skirtchaser 5k, watch out Bryan Dunn, I'm serious this year!

    -To compare cyclists from different generartions is similar to comparing golfers, football players, or athletes in any sport from different time periods. It's nearly impossible to do. Look at tennis, Federer would have won double as many majors had Nadal not come along, and Nadal a few more if not for Federer... They are two of the best ever, and their careers heavily over-lapped. Lots of factors go into what your eventual "palmares" are, and many of them don't have anything to do with how good you were. Had Lance not come along, or decided to keep playing golf insead of coming back to racing after cancer, Ullrich may have won six or possibly more Tours de France, making him the greatest ever, right? I don't think so, there's so much grey that it makes for a good discussion but there is no RIGHT answer. (Although, I feel like I've seen a few wrong answers on here...)

    -It's easy to look at somebody's power file and conclude that somebody is or isn't a "Pro Tour" caliber rider. Some people are more efficient than others, more aero, have better economy, there are a lot of factors that dictate how good somebody is or can be. I'm telling you, Lieto is a Pro-Tour rider, he would not be last in the Tour De France. When he raced a couple of multi-day pro US stage races a few years back a few friends I have who've raced pro tour, were taunting me with text messages like,"Dude, this guy is better than you ever were on a bike, how do you expect to beat him in a TRIATHLON?" These guys know what they're talking about. He's got the watts, he's got the cadence, he's got the body, and he has acceleration and other factors that many top cycling triathletes don't have. Also, interestingly, he has the position too! Lieto sits nearly 5cm behind the bottom bracket on his TT bike. Many of the top triathlon cyclists would struggle to still ride their fast TT's when they would have to move their seats back 4-7cm's to comply with UCI regs. Just something to think about. Look at Bjorne, dude's a monster on the bike in triathlon, comparable to Lieto and perhaps just a little less consistent. Bjorne time trials as well as many Pro Tour guys, but look at his size, he would not make it up the hills if he had to race a full pro cycling schedule. He also pushes WAY too big a gear to ever respond to accelerations all day. Lieto would climb well, and he has proven that he can. He also has the nice fast cadence required to cycle at a high level. In no way would he ever beat Lance or is he comparable to some super-domestique you may find, after all, there is only one Jens Voight.

    -In any top level activity the differences between the good guys and the great, are very small. Most of us realize this. A 3:50 400 meter long-course swim probably won't make the Olympic Team for an American this time around, but 3:50 is pretty darn good and if you put that guy in the open water with Thorpe or Hackett, over 2.4 miles, or 1.2 miles, or whatever, I wouldn't think there would be a distinguishable difference in how well they swim or who puts a gap into whom. Yes, 3:50 isn't fast enough to make the final heat of the Olympic Games, but it's right up there, and it's easily good enough to compete with anybody in open water conditions. I don't know what Potts has done a 400 in, but I would bet you he could probably sit on this guy's feet if he started with him. That's how I view Lieto in comparison to Lance. Nowhere near, yet surprisingly close. Comparing an individual sport athlete to a triathlete is hard to do. If two runners both run a 5k, one goes 14:00, the other 14:30, it's easy to conclude the 14:00 guy is going to SMOKE the 14:30 dude on the tri-run every time, right? Well I can tell you it doesn't always work like this, so many other factors come into play that can change the outcome, many of them are unknowns. Of course if their ability is significantly different then you can draw more reasonable conclusions, but I don't think Lieto and Lance at this point in their lives are hugely different on the bike in a triathlon format.

    -It's easy to look back at old Lance footage and go,"wow, look how fast he was when he was younger, can he do it again?" C'mon, the kid was 16 years old! He lived with his mom, didn't have any money or much support, and he was kicking the snot out of The Legends of our sport, sometimes not just on the bike... Also, if you watch those old races he was nowhere near the cyclist he became, he was just a big strong kid. When he first made waves as a cyclist, he lost his first couple attempts in the Tour Du Pont (America's big stage race at the time, 10-12 days i think) due mainly to his weak time trials. Compared to Erik Breukink, or Raul Alcala, or Ekimov, (I think those were the three guys who beat him in three different years) he really looked terrible in the TT's. I remember once going into the final TT the race was tight, and Alcala caught Lance for a minute, flatted, got passed by Lance, got a new wheel, then re-passed Lance again, it was hard to watch for a US Lance fan. A year later in the '94 Tour de France, Indurain catches Lance for two minutes in the first TT and puts another 3-4 minutes into him, so we're talking six minutes over 39 miles maybe? Yeah, it's a lot, Lance was not a good TTer when he quit tris for cycling, yet as a triathlete he was smoking Pigg, Allen, Molina, and everyone else on the bike. His TT'ing improved and in '96 he was going very well, beating Rominger in the time trails in the Tour Du Pont and placing well in the Tour De France prologue and the Olympic Games, with cancer.... '99 and back racing, ok, his time trialing became incredible, lots of factors went into this, but I would say now he's still certainly WAAAYYYYY better than he ever was pre-pro-cycling and back then he was crushing everybody in triathlon...

    -I raced an event a couple of years back in Northern California. It was unique, in that you rode a 40k in the morning and then in the afternoon you did a swim/run/swim/run starting based on your 40k time. So the guy who won the 40k would start in the afternoon first, followed 20 seconds later by the person who finished the 40k 20 seconds back, and so on. A pretty cool idea... It was in San Jose. The 40k was accurately measured, and I figured I would do well, but also lining up were Lieto, David Thompson, Chris Foster, Clayton Fettel, and quite a few other good guys. The 40k had one decent hill on the course, maybe 1.5 miles long, the rest was a flat and fast loop course. I split 52:00 low and David Thompson rode almost exactly the same time, within a second or two, and we were second and third. Lieto went 49 and beat us by 3 minutes! Nobody could believe it. Fettell I think went 55, Foster maybe 54, these guys are TOP triathletes.... After this race I realized Lieto is a cyclist who does triathlon, and not the other way around. He also started this sport very late, had he started triathlon as a 15 year old, instead of 25 or 26, I bet you he would have quickly ended up in cycling, like Lance. Would he have been as successful? No, but he would have done very well...

    Now I have to go run a 5k, it seemed like a good idea when I signed up earlier in the week! Really hoping Simon Whitfield doesn't show up, or Gomez, or Brownlee, or Brownlee, or anyone too fast....
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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    "Okay, it's the time prediction thread. I already predicted a fast time (several pages back), but I'm going to go out on a limb and put Amey, Lieto and Cunningham in 1st, 2nd, 3rd. So, now that's done... "

    Matt Reed can put down some smokin times when he is on form. I'm putting him down for the win.

    I predict Lance in top 3 off the bike. Will lose 2 spots on the run. So...anywhere between 3rd and 5th depending on how the others are fairing. 3:59:59.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    This is your year to catch one of those chicks, Lewis! I just need to catch Jamie. :)

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cmonster] [ In reply to ]
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    Haha, yeah panama city florida is a bit different than panama city, panama.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [jstonebarger] [ In reply to ]
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    GMAN19030 wrote:
    Lance is arguably the greatest doper who has ever lived.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [MARV] [ In reply to ]
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    sub 4...just cuz 4 seems long for him...
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Just back from a run...fun thread...I love to look critically at athletes and wonder what they would do elsewhere...

    Lewis, excellent posts...I love the personal experiences...I'm curious as to what role you would see a rider like Chris Lieto playing at a large pro-tour? No one races without a specific job...Would he be a GC guy or a mule? would he be a Jens Voigt? Big George? or a nameless bottle carrier (who can still peg 450 for a long time.)? The point is, last place at the Tour isn't the "worst " guy there...it's just a really strong rider who did his job and managed to get to Paris under the time limits...I'm not sure how many times Cipollini dropped out of the Tour, but it wasn't 'cuz he was not hellaciously fast, he just did his job and then went to the beach...he was definitely still a "star" of the Tour...

    How's Lance gonna do at tris? Who knows? I suspect it will be a little anti-climactic...He will likely be a very competitive, just slightly past prime long distance triathlete...I think Lewis is right in that his access to resources will likely give him a huge advantage.

    and I think LA racing Ironmans will be great for triathlon as a whole...with one caveat...This is going to further obscure the Oly style of racing...One of the most telling lines in Andrew Messick's ST interview was "...and of course, all roads in triathlon lead to Kona." The more LA has the spotlight on him (and WTC) the less focus (and money) will be there for the Maloys and Shivers of the sport...Hopefully, the entire pie grows and everyone gets a slice.


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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [fulla] [ In reply to ]
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    fulla wrote:
    I'm interested to see how Bevan Docherty will go. He's prob the fastest runner there and is a really strong cyclist (witness Athens where him and Carter destroyed the field). Always weird when you get a 2 time olympic medallist competing and all the talk is about some american triathletes without a quarter of his pedigree.

    Post #122 of 177 and no response on this. That's a shame, I get the point of the whole Lance hype, I'm glad for it but c'mon people Bevan Docherty deserve a bit more mention. I'm excited to see him go as well.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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    No doubt. That vid of him running down Gemmell at Plymouth is crazy.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [jager66] [ In reply to ]
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    That vid is like 6 years old and still one of the most motivating videos for a triathlete on the entire internet!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Robert] [ In reply to ]
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    Lieto and Armstrong have shown they can race in the heat.

    examples? The run is where heat kills and my impression has been the opposite for these two. Lieto runs better in 70.3's but watching him run/walk at Kona is painful. Lance, I've only seen him run in marathons and a tiny bit of xterra and that also looked like he was hurting.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [schroeder] [ In reply to ]
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    Yes, but this is shorter race and, well, he had no chance at Kona against Alexander and Raelert on the run, IMHO. Also, didn't he pretty much fall apart half way through? I don't think the heat did him in. The wicked bike split might have something to do with it. What, 4:18 or 20? Sheezh....(Of course, Alexander had a phenomenal PB on the bike then ran 2:44. Ouchee', check for Planet Orc passport there....) Lance has trained in that Texas heat and humidity and has raced many many times when the temps went North of 40 C. He was definitely NOT in his best shape for XTerra. He almost did it on a whim. I do think the heat will affect the times if the bike pace is absolutely breathtaking and the heat is UP come the run. Lieto is a also a bit bigger than Lance, so advantage to Lance on the run, I'd guess. If Lance could just put down a sub-1:20 in the run I think he will have at least a podium finish. My crystal ball is in the shop getting the horizontal hold fixed, so I'm a bit fuzzy.

    Also, Lance and Lieto are both going to be coming out of the water within 1 minute of each other, so I expect that to be one helluva bike race! Wish I were there to see it. I hope WTC gets loads of film.

    Given the Lance/Lieto war on the bike, I would not be surprised to see someone fly under the radar, particularly if they are a 2:44 speed marathoner.

    Who could that be? Anybody have any dark horses. Jalabert? ;)

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Robert] [ In reply to ]
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    Robert wrote:
    Jalabert? ;)

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    LOL. so glad we can finally put the Armstrong/Jalabert question to rest.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Robert] [ In reply to ]
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    Lieto and Armstrong are thick as thieves already!


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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [ianpeace] [ In reply to ]
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    that's a good point ... does anyone know Bevan thinks of Lance doing ironman ?



    ianpeace wrote:
    fulla wrote:
    I'm interested to see how Bevan Docherty will go. He's prob the fastest runner there and is a really strong cyclist (witness Athens where him and Carter destroyed the field). Always weird when you get a 2 time olympic medallist competing and all the talk is about some american triathletes without a quarter of his pedigree.


    Post #122 of 177 and no response on this. That's a shame, I get the point of the whole Lance hype, I'm glad for it but c'mon people Bevan Docherty deserve a bit more mention. I'm excited to see him go as well.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Great post Lewis, nice to hear first hand positive stuff not speculation and hatin'. Lance will only have a positive impact on the sport and bring in a wider audience. Everyone wins!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [lacticturkey] [ In reply to ]
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    Bevan isn't a dark horse, but he sure is a horse. ;) I wouldn't be surprised if he won it on the run after Lieto and Lance's Duel in the Sun. But, does he have enough long course experience?

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    LewisElliot wrote:
    ...his time trialing became incredible, lots of factors went into this, but I would say now he's still certainly WAAAYYYYY better than he ever was pre-pro-cycling and back then he was crushing everybody in triathlon...

    Hmmm.... Sad that I can't read that line and not feel the urge to quote it for posterity...

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Robert] [ In reply to ]
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    Id like to see him win ... such a great competitor
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Robert] [ In reply to ]
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    I don't think 70.3 is long enough long course for it to matter. If we were talking about age groupers then I'd agree you'd need some experience. But these guys are training just as much as oly guys so I'm not seeing that being much of an issue. As long as he did a couple bricks to check nutrition I doubt he will have any issues.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Cake] [ In reply to ]
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [styrrell] [ In reply to ]
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    You are very economical with your use of text.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    5k was awesome, Bryan Dunn is an animal...

    I'll respond to the posts about Docherty (I don't know him at all), Lieto and Lance in the heat, and what Lieto "could" be as a cyclist....

    Docherty- Sick talent, old school work ethic, has stood the test of time, is a legend... Some guys, pure ITU guys, don't make an easy transition to the 70.3's. On paper, a Whitfield/Bennett type would DESTROY a 70.3, yet the couple they've tried haven't gone as well as you might think. I'm not saying they couldn't be top, they just haven't won, as I'm pretty sure they've both tried a couple. I think it would take a little more time for them to make the transition. Reed/Potts/Andreas or Michael R.... Yeah, not winning the biggest ITU's but they made the switch and showed huge success right away... Alexander, I don't think he was a top ITU guy at all, he just worked his way through all distances (except IM) and through years of work became the best, Crowie always did have a pretty strong run though... That guy may be the biggest testament to hard work in triathlon today. He was never the best, it was always Macca or Waldo. One day he just started winning though, and hasn't stopped. Crowie improved his bike, which allowed him to win the Lifetime series races, and recently has improved his bike again, which is allowing him to seriously dominate Ironman. I think for him his own success allowed him the resources that he needed to finally get some help in the tunnel and some good cycling coaches, and he's just run with it. He also excells in the heat. Back to the original subject, nobody in the US really knows who Docherty is anyway, of course the focus is on Lance, and maybe Docherty is the next Michael Raelart, maybe not, he certainly could be. He's older too... We'll know a lot more Sunday after the race. Just MHO remember...

    Lieto n Lance- Neither are excellent in the heat, although Lieto being second in Kona def. doesn't SUCK in the heat, I just don't see him as a guy that picks hot races and dominates them. Lance as a cyclist didn't like the heat, he always had his huge results in the rainy cold conditions when everybody else was dropping out. World's '93, the "Madone" stage of the Tour, he loved rain and to take it to guys in bad weather. He too, like Lieto CAN ride in the heat, but it's not like their favorite thing a-la Indurain or Crowie. Lieto and Lance at race weight (Lance cycling, Chris triathloning) are almost exactly the same size, and Lieto is a little taller. I think Lieto told me once he races at 160, Lance's Tour weight was 158 I believe, I bet Lance is maybe 170 now... HUGE guess there though. Oh, and I was not insinuating anything there about factors going into Lance's improved TT-ing post cancer. I was referring to the fact that he seemed to genuinely develp an ability to "listen" to experts rather than just do it his way. Probably sitting there with no hair and two big scars on your head having some brainiac doctor tell you what he's going to do to keep you alive, and successfully do it, gave him the ability to trust outsiders and apply it to his cycling. He really did work on positioning, nutrition, body weight, cadence, all the things that he just winged and muscled before. That's all I meant.

    Lieto as a cyclist- I thought of this today during the 5k. After drug trouble in triathlon in '98 Spencer Smith signed for a Pro Tour team called Linda McCartney and raced the season as a cyclist. Remember 1998, the Festina scandal, this was a tough time to compete in cycling... He did well, finished mid-pack in most races including Classics like Milan-San Remo. He was a great triathlon cyclist, not Lieto, but pretty great. Guys I knew on USPS at the time said they were not impressed by his riding at all, he certainly wasn't a champion cyclist like he was a triathlete but he did hang in there and get better. At the end of the year, once his doping problems were resolved, I think he went to Kona and got 5th or something, which was pretty cool. Lieto is a better rider than Spencer was IMO, so he would do better than that. GC guy? Now? It's too late, but yes, that's what he would have been. Probably not LA, but somewhere on some Pro Tour Team. A domestique? He's big enough, punches a good hole in the wind for guys to follow (domestiques are rarely smaller than 5'10). Yes, he could be a super-domestique... All I'm saying about him, and having talked to a lot of people about it, he's definitely the one triathlete who could make it over there. Steve Larsen, well yeah, but he was a top biker before.

    You guys are awesome, I'm not trying to be a know it all, I'm writing a book right now and enjoying writing so I thought I would chime in on something I know a little about. We all can't wait to watch the race on IM Live tomorrow.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    You do know Greg Bennet has won a 70.3, right?
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [James Haycraft] [ In reply to ]
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    Did he win Augusta? I made a mistake, perhaps he did. I know the guy can win pretty much anything he puts his mind to. He hasn't raced 70.3 worlds I don't think, and I wouldn't either if I could go win 200k or whatever at Hy-Vee. Perhaps he's not the type I'm referring to, not all the best ITU guys are the best at 70.3's though.

    I heard Bennett was interested in taking on IM last year, we would all enjoy seeing that...
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    It's interesting that people's estimated times have gotten faster over the last few days. From 4:05-4:15 originally, to 4:00:4:07, to sub 4:00 now. Call me crazy, but I don't think his run with be that good relative to the other pros. Unless his bike is off the charts, I still see a 4:07-4:12 type time.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Lewis, I clicked on your user name, nothing listed....................................What, no love for Billings?. I will be running with Renne' Coppock tomorrow and should see Dave. Will tell them I saw your posts and you are doing well......All us old folks here are cheerin you on dude.....Good luck at the races!!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Spencer Smith...hadn't though about that dude in a while...I recall getting absolutely mauled on the bike by him at Du Worlds in like '95 or '96.he was a beast.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    3Aims wrote:
    It's interesting that people's estimated times have gotten faster over the last few days. From 4:05-4:15 originally, to 4:00:4:07, to sub 4:00 now. Call me crazy, but I don't think his run with be that good relative to the other pros. Unless his bike is off the charts, I still see a 4:07-4:12 type time.

    Time guessing is pretty dumb when there hasn't been a race there before. If this was the second year it would make more sense but we have no idea how hard the course really is.
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    Are there pics of LA's bike anywhere, the one he'll ride tomorrow? Did not see in ironman.com


    Damn, that's a cold ass honkey.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    Thanks Kenney, I just haven't set my profile up yet, I lack computer skills to such a degree that I may need Rappstar's help to do it...

    I just had another thought, which are getting out of hand I realize...

    Of the three sports that make up a triathlon, I believe cycling is the one of the three where the top tri-bikers are closer to a pro cyclist, than a good tri-swimmer or runner would be in those sports respectively. The body composition of a biker isn't way different from a triathlete and the transition is made fairly easily if you have the talent/skills. We've seen this a lot more on the women's side, Kristen Armstrong and Karin Thurig sp? come to mind, US Olympic silver medal cyclist Mari Holden was Junior triathlete of the year before switching to cycling, Larsen went back and forth some later in his career... We don't see this in running/swimming with triathlon, maybe it's because of drafting, but more-so I think it's because the physicality of a triathlete isn't extremely different from a cyclist if you know how to do it. Maybe people can think of more people where this applies, or maybe I'm just wrong (like I was about GB!)

    I look at guys like Andy Yoder and maybe now Matt Russell (different thread) and think maybe they could make a transition and be top bike riders..


    (I posted this before, I made a couple mistakes I couldn't stand not correcting. Must proof read)
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    Grant.Reuter wrote:
    3Aims wrote:
    It's interesting that people's estimated times have gotten faster over the last few days. From 4:05-4:15 originally, to 4:00:4:07, to sub 4:00 now. Call me crazy, but I don't think his run with be that good relative to the other pros. Unless his bike is off the charts, I still see a 4:07-4:12 type time.


    Time guessing is pretty dumb when there hasn't been a race there before. If this was the second year it would make more sense but we have no idea how hard the course really is.

    I actually spent a fair amount of time with the company that is putting on the race when I was doing Miami 70.3. They pegged it at a low 3:50s course. Easy swim, moderate bike, moderate/easy run. We'll see.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [dubyakay] [ In reply to ]
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    Hmm. Maybe somewhere on Slowtwitch? Hint... check out the thread you are posting on..... ;)
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [sdmike] [ In reply to ]
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    Chris
    Lieto
    Matty
    Reed
    Paul
    Amey
    Rasmus
    Henning
    Richie
    Cunningham
    Bert
    Jammaer
    Jesse
    Thomas
    Balazs
    Csoke
    Oscar
    Galindez
    Bertrand
    Billard
    Andres
    Darricau
    Romain
    Guillame
    Greg
    Close
    Ezequiel
    Morales
    TJ
    Tollakson
    Bevan
    Docherty
    Kevin
    Taddonio
    Damon
    Barnett
    Guilherme
    Manocchio
    Andrey
    Lyatskiy
    Teemu
    Kyllonen
    Santiago
    Ascenco
    Ivan
    Vasilyev



    Out of all these my prediction of the top 4 in no particular order

    Lance
    Matty Reed
    Lieto
    Rasmus Henning
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cyclops] [ In reply to ]
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    Oh were getting serious now.

    I'll go with

    1) Henning
    2) Lieto
    3) Docherty
    4) Cunningham
    5) Reed
    6) Armstong


    Whoops missed Docherty
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    Based on the fact that in either 2010 or 2011 Lance got 3rd place in the tour de france, first year back after cancer. I conclude the following.

    3rd place in the tour = 1st in HIM = 3rd in regular IM = 20th in Kona
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cyclops] [ In reply to ]
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    If he gets first, he'll have the 1/2 marathon run of his life.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    whats his stand alone half? 1:22?
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [dubyakay] [ In reply to ]
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    Check out his twitter
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cyclops] [ In reply to ]
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    cyclops wrote:
    Based on the fact that in either 2010 or 2011 Lance got 3rd place in the tour de france, first year back after cancer. I conclude the following.



    There are many things wrong here:

    - returned to cycling from cancer in 1998
    - got third in the 2009 TDF
    - didn't finish in the top 15 in 2010
    - didn't race in 2011

    he is not exactly one year removed from a 3rd place TDF shape, but I'd bet he is very fit.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cyclops] [ In reply to ]
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    There is no way he is even top 10, you people are lost in lance fanboy land. Take a good hard look at that list of serious athletes who have gone the distance and proven their worth, lance is lance, but this is not Xterra. Sure top 20 is doable, but closer to 20th is more reasonable.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [-Mike-] [ In reply to ]
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    -Mike- wrote:
    There is no way he is even top 10, you people are lost in lance fanboy land. Take a good hard look at that list of serious athletes who have gone the distance and proven their worth, lance is lance, but this is not Xterra. Sure top 20 is doable, but closer to 20th is more reasonable.


    20th? Really?

    Boulder 20th Place -> 4:27
    California 70.3 (2010) 20th place -> 4:20
    Florida 70.3 20th place -> 4:26
    Kansas 70.3 20th place --> 4:15

    Lance can probably swim a 24, and easily bike under 2:05 depending on the course. Even at 2:10 for the bike and a 24 min swim that gives him over 1:40-1:50 to jog to top 20 at other these other races. Unless he nukes himself on the bike, All he has to do is run a 1:30 off the bike to be looking at a sub 4:10 which wont be putting him anywhere near 20th in the majority of 70.3s. Its not fanboy land its simple math.
    Last edited by: Grant.Reuter: Feb 11, 12 23:39
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [-Mike-] [ In reply to ]
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    Apparently Lance "Fanboy Land" has more sense than the "Fantasy Land" you're living in.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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    SpeedRacer1 wrote:

    Lance has probably spent more time in the tunnel getting this one bike set up than the top 5 pros, in the race tomorrow, combined.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    I bet you're right. ;-)
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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    SpeedRacer1 wrote:

    Question, After all the years riding UCI legal position does it look like that still is or has the saddle been pushed forward to a more 'triathlon' position?
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [chunkytfg] [ In reply to ]
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    The saddle is forward. He moved from a medium to a large and is on 170 cranks now.

    http://www.slowtwitch.com/...s_Tri_Bike_2568.html
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [sdmike] [ In reply to ]
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    Fair enough. I was duped by the photoshop double-derailleur illegal UCI bike. At least I didn't start another thread.




    Damn, that's a cold ass honkey.
    Last edited by: dubyakay: Feb 12, 12 1:43
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    Grant.Reuter wrote:
    The saddle is forward. He moved from a medium to a large and is on 170 cranks now.

    http://www.slowtwitch.com/...s_Tri_Bike_2568.html

    Cheers
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Salmon Steve] [ In reply to ]
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    I thought people on this board had the best interests for triathlon.


    You must be new here. :)
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Lewis - I've heard Bennett is signed up for IM Melbourne (March 25). Lots of talent at that race. I think Pete Jacobs is doing it along with a couple of other top guys from down there.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Grant.Reuter] [ In reply to ]
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    Second off the bike behind Lieto. Nice.

    Too funny on the swim. The guys putting on this race told me in Miami that this swim would be extremely fast due to the current. I've never seen a 18:00xx HIM swim before. Ha!!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Brandes] [ In reply to ]
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    Damn it, Galidez needs to slow it down and Reed needs to pick it up for my top 6 to work out.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [-Mike-] [ In reply to ]
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    Lance is really struggling now. He's only put 1:50 on Lieto in 6.5 miles and only leads overall by 1:45. Going to be tough to get top 20 now.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [jimswim99] [ In reply to ]
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    jimswim99 wrote:
    Lance is really struggling now. He's only put 1:50 on Lieto in 6.5 miles and only leads overall by 1:45. Going to be tough to get top 20 now.

    I wasn't going to say anything, until he was like a mile out so he could still walk in.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [-Mike-] [ In reply to ]
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    Hey Mike! Who's in fantasy land now! How do you like your crow.)
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [-Mike-] [ In reply to ]
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    -Mike- wrote:
    There is no way he is even top 10, you people are lost in lance fanboy land. Take a good hard look at that list of serious athletes who have gone the distance and proven their worth, lance is lance, but this is not Xterra. Sure top 20 is doable, but closer to 20th is more reasonable.

    Yeah. There's that option too. Or not?

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [-Mike-] [ In reply to ]
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    -Mike- wrote:
    There is no way he is even top 10, you people are lost in lance fanboy land. Take a good hard look at that list of serious athletes who have gone the distance and proven their worth, lance is lance, but this is not Xterra. Sure top 20 is doable, but closer to 20th is more reasonable.

    Just NO WAY he can be top 10 is there Mike? Would you like a bottle of water to wash your feet down?
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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    Predict 3:51:10
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [-Mike-] [ In reply to ]
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    3:50 and second place. Pretty good for a debut.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [gymrat] [ In reply to ]
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    I don't think Mike is going to say anything.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Brandes] [ In reply to ]
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    i predict second place
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cyclops] [ In reply to ]
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    I can't wait to hear what Macca says about it.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Cake] [ In reply to ]
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    ;-)

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    How 'bout 20K views and 230+ posts on an ST Sunday morning?

    Yeah, this is going to be bad for the sport... I bet you Dan just hates this.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Strongly agree that you should post here more often. Thanks for the insight.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    Below 3:51 is quite impressive, certainly better than I would've guessed for his first 70.3 coming back.

    So who won this little contest? Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't something like 3:53 the fastest prediction? He pawned the whole board!!!
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [CSU_Prof] [ In reply to ]
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    The swim and bike were not a surprise for anyone.

    1:17 run for Lance is hella impressive given ALL of his other run race results, including standalone races. Yes, he's run a 2:40 marathon, but I'd still be expecting closer to 1:22-1:25 after a bike/swim at 70.3 distance, or worse given that running is clearly his worst discipline.

    Scary part is to think that if he's all in, there's a 100% chance that he's just going to improve on the run, which will also likely improve his bike, as he won't need to hold back as he was clearly doing at Panama. Makes you wonder if he could have won the whole thing outright if he opened up the engines on the bike - although I agree that the risk of blowing up on the run for him drastically increase witha hard bike compared to run-centric pro triathletes.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [CSU_Prof] [ In reply to ]
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    Fastyellow wins it with 3:53 if I'm not mistaken.
    I called 3:54:31, and a third place finish. Apparently I was quite wrong!

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [Insidious] [ In reply to ]
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    Insidious wrote:
    Win or place. 3:54 .

    I flipped through the pages quickly, but it looks like we had 3 people that called a 3:54 time (before race start).....but Insidious gets the tiebreaker with the win or place tag. Nice work.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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    Under 3:51.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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    I can't wait to hear what Macca says about it.

    I was so thinking about macca...

    would love to see LA LANCED Macca... that would be PRICELESS!

    The entire event (IM) is like "death by 1000 cuts" and the best race is minimizing all those cuts and losing less blood than the other guy. - Dev
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [drsteve] [ In reply to ]
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    drsteve wrote:
    Fastyellow wins it with 3:53 if I'm not mistaken.

    I called 3:54:31, and a third place finish. Apparently I was quite wrong!


    Nope. He said winner goes 3:53, but Lance at 4:00 +- 1.


    You tied for second.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    3Aims wrote:
    Insidious wrote:
    Win or place. 3:54 .


    I flipped through the pages quickly, but it looks like we had 3 people that called a 3:54 time (before race start).....but Insidious gets the tiebreaker with the win or place tag. Nice work.


    ;) thanks.

    I think I get extra credit for calling the run he was going to bust out too...1:17 is still mortal but putting it down after a very competitive 2nd bike and FOP swim leg is the big move for him. I didn't watch the live feed but looks like he and Leito were within spitting distance of one another until after t2. He can ride with that guy and run reasonably well (7th based on the finishers who matter) off the effort anyway.

    Damn impressive from any angle....It will be fun to watch his year.
    Last edited by: Insidious: Feb 12, 12 9:43
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [camaleon] [ In reply to ]
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    Well, I just know Macca isn't going to hold back his thoughts. I want to know if he IS impressed or not. After seeing some of his comments on Lance, I just want to know if Macca is surprised or not. I don't think he thought Lance could race as well as he did today. I could be wrong, but Macca did say he was going to watch this race very closely about a day before Lance was announced to race. My guess is, he knew he was racing.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [3Aims] [ In reply to ]
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    3Aims wrote:
    drsteve wrote:
    Fastyellow wins it with 3:53 if I'm not mistaken.

    I called 3:54:31, and a third place finish. Apparently I was quite wrong!


    Nope. He said winner goes 3:53, but Lance at 4:00 +- 1.


    You tied for second.

    Pretty close....as the swim was a good 5 minutes fast for a 70.3....

    So awesome to see Lance do so well....


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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [LewisElliot] [ In reply to ]
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    Excellent read, thank you for taking the time to write up your thoughts and experiences.

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    jimswim99 wrote:
    Lance is really struggling now. He's only put 1:50 on Lieto in 6.5 miles and only leads overall by 1:45. Going to be tough to get top 20 now.

    yea?

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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    SpeedRacer1 wrote:
    Well, I just know Macca isn't going to hold back his thoughts. I want to know if he IS impressed or not. After seeing some of his comments on Lance, I just want to know if Macca is surprised or not. I don't think he thought Lance could race as well as he did today. I could be wrong, but Macca did say he was going to watch this race very closely about a day before Lance was announced to race. My guess is, he knew he was racing.

    No comments from Macca on Facebook or Twitter. I'm surprised.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cjbruin] [ In reply to ]
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    Maybe someone finally put him at a loss for words. :-)
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [SpeedRacer1] [ In reply to ]
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    Then again. It might just be because he's asleep. I didn't think about the time difference.
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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cjbruin] [ In reply to ]
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    He did have an ITU sprint today that may have occupied him for a while.

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    Re: The Official Lance Armstrong Panama 70.3 Time Prediction Thread [cjbruin] [ In reply to ]
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    I just thought he might have stayed or gotten up to watch it since he said he was going to watch closely. He may have just meant the results, not the live tracker.
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