My hope is that they used this ID only to race. I am worried that if they got away with this, they did something else in my name while in Mexico. Anyone have advice for what my next move will be?
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My hope is that they used this ID only to race. I am worried that if they got away with this, they did something else in my name while in Mexico. Anyone have advice for what my next move will be?
Ok, now we know the time. Lets post some pics of them finishing and out their names. Let me get my pitchfork...brb
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Then send the pictures to IM and explain things to them. Send their names and addresses so they can be denied access to future events.
You could also report him to the police as this is identity theft and is a crime. Don't know what the potential penalties are but with pictures it should be a pretty open and shut case. In fact it isn't the pacing (cheating) that bothers me rather it is the identity theft. Having this on record with the police may at least help a little just in case there is an arrest warrent out for you in Mexico.
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Are these cheaters low on cash?
Just when I thought I would have a semi-productive weekend, too!
DRYE, LEIGH 12/8/6 42/Female 40-44 S 01:07:29 05:42:34 04:11:55 11:10:09
CARLSON, PAUL 84/32/77 37/Male 35-39 E 01:05:00 05:10:30 04:46:30 11:10:23
MEDLER, TERRY 82/103/80 32/Male 30-34 D 01:04:18 06:00:08 03:59:16 11:10:25
LILLEY, ERIKA 9/11/11 32/Female 30-34 Q 01:02:28 05:42:38 04:10:56 11:10:31
PRIBYL, LESLIE 5/6/5 46/Female 45-49 T 01:07:20 05:39:40 04:14:42 11:10:48
Can someone get photos?
Now, back to the regulary scheduled programming........time for some pics!
Which of those 11:10 times is also top in the age group?
It seems the biggest offense is that this PACER was on the track and thus in the way of other racers, or at least that if all racers had their own pacers then they would be. Solution 1: Discredit Cheater and perhaps ban from other races, as well as credit other racers with the possible delay times.
A time record was entered in your name. Solution 2: Ironman erases the time from their records. Ironman contacts media coverage and professional time records to indicate the error. In the future IF you cannot attend a race that you have registered, then you contact them as soon as possible to prevent fraud.
A PACER is disguised as a racer, or a racer might use your name to gain access to a race they would not have otherwise qualified for. Solution 3: Maintain a database of racer profiles so that both the racer and the race officials can verify previous results and race officials can verify participants prior to the start of a race. If a race cannot be organized well enough to verify the identity of it's participants than they should not be considered creditable enough to report the results of their race.
Like I said though. I'm am naive to the full complexities, but I'm will to listen and provide assistance from a unique perspective.
Which of those 11:10 times is also top in the age group?
Uhm, you do realize all that's going to do is get you the real name of the OP, not the criminal, right? I suppose you don't care about that and want to then use that to find pictures of the scumbag, but let's be nice and protect the ID of the OP if we can, please.
Also note that those of you saying the OP should look to press charges, remember the identity theft happened in MEXICO. You'd have to press charges THERE. Even if you had some kind of proof the ID was created in the US (and getting that would be quite a coup), that alone isn't *much* of a crime.
I highly doubt anyone would be so bold as to use your ID for this AND serious criminal activity, so I would guess it's simply prudent to keep an eye on your credit report and such and not worry much about THAT. You might also make some inquiries with Mexican authorities if you speak spanish or know someone fluent, but in general it sounds like it would be pretty easy for you to prove you weren't even in Mexico then so there's little chance you could be in much trouble even if they did do something bad in your name.
Amazing audacity, I gotta say.
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I wonder if the airline gave the guy a hard time when he tried to carry on his gigantic balls.
No, the 2 men's names are innocent. Most likely the OP name is already pulled. The other 2 mens names have no relation to the women. (Even if the OP's name is there he has no relation as he merely belongs to the same tri community and is not in a relationship with the perp
All three women are still suspect
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Now, back to the regulary scheduled programming........time for some pics!
Actually, the took photos of our ID and stapled them to some paper. Not sure what they did then. I used my Mexican resident card as ID and they checked it out to match face to picture.
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I think I see the perp and the accomplice
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DRYE, LEIGH 12/8/6 42/Female 40-44 S 01:07:29 05:42:34 04:11:55 11:10:09
Notice the guy in the Blue shirt approx 2-3 sec behind her. In the official results the next official finisher is 14 seconds back. The guy behind her had his result removed
DRYE, LEIGH 12/8/6 42/Female 40-44 S 01:07:29 05:42:34 04:11:55 11:10:09
CARLSON, PAUL 84/32/77 37/Male 35-39 E 01:05:00 05:10:30 04:46:30 11:10:23
MEDLER, TERRY 82/103/80 32/Male 30-34 D 01:04:18 06:00:08 03:59:16 11:10:25
LILLEY, ERIKA 9/11/11 32/Female 30-34 Q 01:02:28 05:42:38 04:10:56 11:10:31
PRIBYL, LESLIE 5/6/5 46/Female 45-49 T 01:07:20 05:39:40 04:14:42 11:10:48
Here he is a few seconds later (looks pretty fresh for finishing an IM doesn't he)
The next 2 guys come in as expected on the finishing times that are published
FYI- Here are the next 2 guys who finish 2 seconds apart and are in the results. These guys are valid and look like they did a full IM
But ignoring that artifact, there are times where carrying your kids over the finish line is worth a DQ. Hmmmm, due the rules state that you can't carry your kids over the line with you or just that they can't run across with you. I'm too lazy to look it up.
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If this is true you should calling the cops instead of posting here. Ever heard of identity theft?
What they did with the ID thing by itself is a felony. Then there is theft (your entry fee), fraud, etc.
Call the cops!
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I am quite impressed with my INTERNET sleuthing abilities. This really proves that even if you travel to some far off country to cheat that you can be found.
This is on par (maybe worse) than finman
Yep - and she even calls him out as a 'cheater' in the comments of one pic of him running (not sure if it's related to this but still funny, considering).
In what age group is a 11:10 in the top of a (male) age group? It's in the top of some women's but not mens... until the 60-64 AG. Or possibly the 55-59 AG, a 11:10 would have been 5th.
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In what age group is a 11:10 in the top of a (male) age group? It's in the top of some women's but not mens... until the 60-64 AG. Or possibly the 55-59 AG, a 11:10 would have been 5th.
Good call. The op registered today and has one post. The op does not say how old they are and the imposter could be alot younger.
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If I was the OP, I'd still call the police and see what they have to say re: ID. That's the far scarier offense here...
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Its her boyfriend and she says so in some of her pics.
Anyway, her fb page has a picture of her with him where she says "my boyfriend" and then he's tagged. So he's outed for the most part.
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16 Ken Legeai 143 53 M 33 45:48.9 45:48 29 3:07.9 13 2:09:34.6 18.5 15 1:29.2 14 1:32:05.6 9:13 4:32:06.2
17 Leigh Drye 136 41 F 25 35:37.9 35:37 14 1:35.9 12 2:09:23.6 18.5 8 1:00.7 21 1:45:49.4 10:35 4:33:27.5
I can't figure that out. Swim times way off. Bike times very similar (but they'd be on the bike at different times based on their swim splits). Then run times significantly different, but they finish close to each other.
edit: sorry for the format... It didn't just cut and paste like I hoped.
I'm assuming they were in different waves.. it's just weird.
- An athlete wants her boyfriend to accompany her at a race
- Race is sold out
- Boyfriend forges ID of another racer who is from the same town but not going to race
- Race pictures, now posted on this thread shows boyfriend finishing 2 second behind
- Someone figures out who the female athlete is and checks her facebook which has open privacy settings
- Boyfriend is tagged in a few photos
- Everyone is busted (at least on the internet)!
To the OP, quickly capture this thread and confront boyfriend about the identity theft via your lawyer (or whatever legal means). The usage of the identity would bother me more than using the race entry!!!
Looks to me like the OP is a female, which make the impersonation even more crazy. Imagine the conversation at registration.
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DO NOT do anything stupid to get sandbagged on ST!!
Seriously, to the OP-call the police and make a statement/complaint. Forging a government issued ID is a felony. Forget the fact that WTC should can his D-Bag ass, your local DA should be paying him a visit as well.
This guy took advantage of you by assuming your identity and racing on your dime-he could have just banditted the race and avoided all of this hassle! I think he needs to be taught a lesson.
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To the OP, I suggest printing this out now. Before Slowman is forced to pull it for some reason
To the OP, quickly capture this thread and confront boyfriend about the identity theft via your lawyer (or whatever legal means). The usage of the identity would bother me more than using the race entry!!!
+1 Dev!!
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What anyone one does is essentially public domain, regardless of what privacy settings are set on what social networking website.
Yes the OP should capture the thread now before all the FB settings get changed and the data to prove the identity theft is not as readily available.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt in this part of the case.
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Gee both of them have changed the settings on their facebook pages so now we can't seem them. Good thing for the screen shot. quoted here just in case
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I had a bit 2 much eggnog and was having fun trolling on that thread. But cheating makes me angry (cause there is really no point for AG to cheat) so that is why I put in the extra effort here
The Internet never forgets! (and screen shots are cool)
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His Fb profile is down but not hers. This is hers
http://www.facebook.com/leigh.a.drye?sk=wall
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My marathon PR is "under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something."
DO NOT do anything stupid to get sandbagged on ST!!
Understatement of the year! There are some scary...um type As on this website.
Still, highly entertaining though!
What anyone one does is essentially public domain, regardless of what privacy settings are set on what social networking website.
Yes the OP should capture the thread now before all the FB settings get changed and the data to prove the identity theft is not as readily available.
And people think I'm crazy because I don't have a FB account. Never had myspace either. And I'm def. not going to "Link In" with anyone.
Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
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17 Leigh Drye 136 41 F 25 35:37.9 35:37 14 1:35.9 12 2:09:23.6 18.5 8 1:00.7 21 1:45:49.4 10:35 4:33:27.5
I can't figure that out. Swim times way off. Bike times very similar (but they'd be on the bike at different times based on their swim splits). Then run times significantly different, but they finish close to each other.
edit: sorry for the format... It didn't just cut and paste like I hoped.
I'm assuming they were in different waves.. it's just weird.
Well, one scenario is that he sandbagged the swim to come out of the water with/near her, so they could work together on the bike. And possibly pace off of each other for part of the run, but maybe she tanked?
Just one possibility for the time discrepancies.
At any rate....a) what a d-bag for cheating and making a fake id. and b) what a weenie she is for having to have someone pace her on her races. Race your own race!
If you really think about it (which I'm trying not to but am for some reason), the splits and how close they finished to each other are probably a coincidence. This might be guessing a lot, but from the facebook pics/post/comments I'm guessing they end up close to each other in races even when they don't start together so there's a bit of a competition between the two even though they don't start together.
Okay. I'm done with this thread. It's been enough of a time suck. But it's amazing the things that get outed on ST. Finman, newbz, the dude at Kona this year, this guy/gal. i'm sure there are more. Maybe someone can compile a list. Would be a good story...where are they now!
Even the WTC knew there was something up and pulled the results and contacted the OP to let them know.
WTC should issue a lifetime ban. Not sure if USAT can do the same (but they should)
WTC should issue a lifetime ban. Not sure if USAT can do the same (but they should)
WTC should definitely penalize that couple for what was done. USAT would have no dog in this fight since the race was in Mexico.
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I also doubt the results were pulled. I'm guessing the results weren't online because he didn't wear a chip (can't see one in any of the pictures), but somehow the manual count of people or what ever didn't match up. Or the OP is bullshitting (and IM Coz knows nothing about this) and someone saw his pics etc, told the OP... and is (rightfully so) upset that he used his name etc. That's my guess.
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Oh and I thought New Years Eve was going to be boring this year....
My hope is that they used this ID only to race. I am worried that if they got away with this, they did something else in my name while in Mexico. Anyone have advice for what my next move will be?
Call the cops. Faking as you w/o your permission is not right.
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My hope is that they used this ID only to race. I am worried that if they got away with this, they did something else in my name while in Mexico. Anyone have advice for what my next move will be?
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So buddy you bitch and whine in your first post on your first day here on ST about what many consider to be a serious breach of all kinds of laws/ethics/traditions and all that crap and after four pages of replies you haven't made a single comment.To me that sucks,not because I think badly of you but because I want to know how much truth is in the telling and what the fuck is going to happen becasue of it.
Seriously,I so want to out this (alleged) cheating fucker and have him(if he did the deed) banned from so many triathlons it isn't funny.I will not however because there has been no updates on your part.Seriously dude,let us know what is going on because if ever there was a case for an ST lynching this is it..If this guy did what he did and is girlfriend went along with it then a lifetime ban from all M-Dots is what I will be pushing for.. God help them if they ever step up to any of the Ultra-tris on the planet as I will be there to make sure they are shamed out of participation( and you can tell them that).
There are some people who do silly things and then there are people who (allegedly) did what they did and for my part ST isn't doing enough to crucify this (alleged) bastard for not only breaching WTC rules in a major way but faking another persons identity.THAT IS JUST NOT ON!!!
I want to know what is happening!!!!!!
Can you all tell that I don't have a life?..;-)
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I've been in contact with Ironman, waiting to hear back from them on how they will handle it. They did send me a copy of the fake ID, seems at this particular Ironman, they Xeroxed the IDs as people checked in. I can not recall an event when that happened, so consider myself pretty lucky. The ID is about as crappy and fake-looking as is can possibly be. The morons didn't bother to create one from scratch, used his drivers license and blocked out his personal information (did leave his picture and own driver's license on the fake) and replaced it with inaccurate information of mine..... Aimee is now a male... 5'10" and 165... the volunteers in Mexico buy it.
I've spoken with the US Attorney's office... they prosecute but do not investigate. So far I've had to contact the Secret Service office, FBI and still have a few offices to contact. As I do not know if anything else was done with the fake ID, I plan to continue to pursue it with every office that I can. I've also contacted USAT and am waiting for them to investigate as they either hacked into my account to print out my USAT card or forged information to obtain a one day license.
My only road block so far is that some of the government offices will not pursue it unless it involves finances of over $5000. I believe that I will have to fight this at the state leveI am determined to do something.... beyond the fact that they cheated, my identity was stolen.
This is bound to get ugly. Bitch is mild!
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Either way I hope the prick get crucified..
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My marathon PR is "under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something."
Habitual line stepper.
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How exactly am I arguing with the OP ?
I asked why after only one post ever and four pages of ST banter why there was no response......The OP's misinterpretation of my use of the word " bitching" is thier own worry and not yours....
It is clear that I am on the OP's side and will do all I can to expose this (alleged) prick for the (alleged)cheating douche that he is..
So you can get your facts straight and fuck off!!
Please feel free to respond in kind as it is very early on New Years morning and nothing you can say will insult me more than the drunken Aussies I have already had to deal with in the last few hours
Oh,and Happy New Year to all...
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If you were so hardly done by in this manner wouldn't you be monitoring and participating in a thread that you started?
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I've been in contact with Ironman, waiting to hear back from them on how they will handle it. They did send me a copy of the fake ID, seems at this particular Ironman, they Xeroxed the IDs as people checked in. I can not recall an event when that happened, so consider myself pretty lucky. The ID is about as crappy and fake-looking as is can possibly be. The morons didn't bother to create one from scratch, used his drivers license and blocked out his personal information (did leave his picture and own driver's license on the fake) and replaced it with inaccurate information of mine..... Aimee is now a male... 5'10" and 165... the volunteers in Mexico buy it.
I've spoken with the US Attorney's office... they prosecute but do not investigate. So far I've had to contact the Secret Service office, FBI and still have a few offices to contact. As I do not know if anything else was done with the fake ID, I plan to continue to pursue it with every office that I can. I've also contacted USAT and am waiting for them to investigate as they either hacked into my account to print out my USAT card or forged information to obtain a one day license.
My only road block so far is that some of the government offices will not pursue it unless it involves finances of over $5000. I believe that I will have to fight this at the state leveI am determined to do something.... beyond the fact that they cheated, my identity was stolen.
This is bound to get ugly. Bitch is mild!
A couple of things...
1. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but, as I stated earlier, USAT would have no dog in this fight. IMCoz is not a USAT sanctioned event, since Mexico isn't part of the USA.
2. You're in a rock and a hard place when it comes to law enforcement for several reasons. I am an FBI Agent (I can't help but not say that like Keanu Reeves in Point Break) so I feel I can intelligently address this part of the equation.
- It was in a foreign country. That's by far the biggest hurdle you'll face. We could debate some possible semantics about where the fabricated documents were made (probably in the USA) but the best venue option for prosecution is Mexico. That's where the race was held, that's where they stole your identity, that's the country they entered while carrying false identification documents, etc.
- Mexico won't do a damn thing about it.
- Even if you could overcome the foreign country venue issue (which you probably cannot) and establish some kind of venue in the USA, there isn't a federal law enforcement agency or US Attorney's Office that will investigate it. It's just not a big enough deal to warrant the use of federal resources. That's just the reality. Federal criminal fraud prosecution really needs the following ingredients: a violation of a US federal crime as defined by some Title 18 USC statute, a victim, a loss, and that it meets the threshold limits of the district. I've had million dollar fraud cases turned down because there were bigger cases that had to be prioritized. My district is much larger than the Eastern District of Louisiana but the loss in this case is still just $600 or so.
- I'm not exactly sure what local/state law enforcement could do. They're even more hamstrung by the venue issue but I could see charging them with some minor theft charge. The problem with that is you had no intention on going to the race so it could be argued it was "victimless" (which would also be applicable to federal charges).
Best of luck. Those people deserve whatever is coming to them if all this is true.
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This thread has full retard status written all over it.
Forgive me asking but what the hell good are you guys if this is the norm? Turn down million dollar fraud case because you're too busy busting pot farmers? Yes, I know the FBI is not the DEA but you're all sharing the same (enormous sum of) money.
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...and Dr. Phil could put some real shit on the perps!
P.S. give ultratriguy a break. He didn't call you anything. I was also interested in hearing a response from you after this guys identity was revealed. Though I'm sure you've been busy.[/reply]
A couple of things...
1. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but, as I stated earlier, USAT would have no dog in this fight. IMCoz is not a USAT sanctioned event, since Mexico isn't part of the USA.
2. You're in a rock and a hard place when it comes to law enforcement for several reasons. I am an FBI Agent (I can't help but not say that like Keanu Reeves in Point Break) so I feel I can intelligently address this part of the equation.
- It was in a foreign country. That's by far the biggest hurdle you'll face. We could debate some possible semantics about where the fabricated documents were made (probably in the USA) but the best venue option for prosecution is Mexico. That's where the race was held, that's where they stole your identity, that's the country they entered while carrying false identification documents, etc.
- Mexico won't do a damn thing about it.
- Even if you could overcome the foreign country venue issue (which you probably cannot) and establish some kind of venue in the USA, there's isn't a federal law enforcement agency or US Attorney's Office that will investigate it. It's just not a big enough deal to warrant the use of federal resources. That's just the reality. Federal criminal fraud prosecution really needs the following ingredients: a violation of a US federal crime as defined by some Title 18 USC statute, a victim, a loss, and that it meets the threshold limits of the district. I've had million dollar fraud cases turned down because there were bigger cases that had to be prioritized. My district is much larger than the Eastern District but the loss in this case is still just $600 or so.
- I'm not exactly sure what local/state law enforcement could do. They're even more hamstrung by the venue issue but I could see charging them with some minor theft charge. The problem with that is you had no intention on going to the race so it could be argued it was "victimless."
Best of luck. Those people deserve whatever is coming to them if all this is true.
So neither US federal or state government will do anything if someone forges a state ID and uses it in another country? Dang.
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They didn't necessarily need your USAT card because in Cozumel we didn't have to show that ID. We had to just show them any ID, which was photocopied. As for the volunteers not checking very carefully, most were young, perhaps high school or early university-aged. Given that they were seeing IDs from many different countries and many different states, they would not have known what was fake or not.
I am appalled at this too! Someone cheated at an Ironman, the Federal Government should send in the Navy Seals to sort this out!
Either way, this couple (the cheater / pacer) have issues.
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I am appalled at this too! Someone cheated at an Ironman, the Federal Government should send in the Navy Seals to sort this out!
POTD!
You open up the newspaper and read that the Feds are involving 3-4 different agencies and spending a couple hundred thousand of dollars to investigate this crap. You're going to tell me you're going to think it's good use of our tax dollars?! Give me a fucking break!
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Anyways.... no to hijack but what was the controversy with Newbz?
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Forgive me asking but what the hell good are you guys if this is the norm? Turn down million dollar fraud case because you're too busy busting pot farmers? Yes, I know the FBI is not the DEA but you're all sharing the same (enormous sum of) money.
1. It's the US Attorney's Office that decides what gets prosecuted and not the federal law enforcement agencies. They have threshold limits because they only have so many prosecutors.
2. It's all about prioritization of resources. The threshold limits more or less depend on the size of the city, size of the US Attorney's Office, etc. In general, the bigger the city/office, the higher the threshold limit. A million dollar case is a goldmine in Podunk, Iowa. A million dollar case would get you laughed out of the US Attorney's Office in someplace like New York City. If you have a bunch of multi-million dollar fraud cases, the smaller cases just don't register very high on the priority meter. Should we go after the $10 million cases or should we go after the $1 million cases? There's only so many FBI Agents and Assistant US Attorneys.
3. The FBI and DEA don't share the same pot of money. We have our budget, they have their budget. They investigate their crimes, we investigate our crimes. What makes you think it's the same money... other than the way over simplified argument that it's taxpayer funds?
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So neither US federal or state government will do anything if someone forges a state ID and uses it in another country? Dang.
On what jurisdictional grounds? Mexico is a foreign country. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?
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It's a violation of state law, with some semantical-esque exceptions which certainly don't apply here.
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I know it would be pointless. . .perhaps just someone in the local tri community calling out these two out would suffice.
ID theft is still no joke though.
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My hope is that they used this ID only to race. I am worried that if they got away with this, they did something else in my name while in Mexico. Anyone have advice for what my next move will be?
I am curious how you know that they made a fake driver's licence.
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Anyways.... no to hijack but what was the controversy with Newbz?
I copied this from the OPs second post...
'The morons didn't bother to create one from scratch, used his drivers license and blocked out his personal information (did leave his picture and own driver's license on the fake) and replaced it with inaccurate information of mine'
Given that the forged document doesn't have anything other than the OPs name on it (not their drivers license number or other personal info) I'm not sure anything is likely to happen. Also, the intent wasn't to steal money or anything like that, but to be able to falsely enter a race (while bad, it's definitely not as bad).
It is pretty bad form by both the racer and the pacer. I honestly don't get why people need a pacer. They do have watches that do this!
As for newbz, he got busted on here for cutting the bike course at a race.
I am curious how you know that they made a fake driver's licence.
From the OP: They did send me a copy of the fake ID,
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I know we haven't spoken since before the race and I have heard you are upset. And at this point rightfully so. I wish you had just contacted me to talk
but since you have gone this route I guess I should remind you of the conversation we had at Terrys post race breakfast where we discussed Cozumel and the fact that you were not going and I was and I asked your permission to pick up your race packet and you were nice enough to say yes and I want to thank you for your generosity.
I do owe you an apology for your name showing up in the results. That was not supposed to happen. As you can see (or could before the results were pulled ) I did not cross any of the timing mats, I did not do the swim but I did do a couple loops of the bike. I certainly did not do the three loops of the run. I might have run 4-5 miles on the run and saw a couple of our friends from home and ran along with them and chatted for a few minutes. Kerry can certainly tell you that she talked with me. I did not pace Kerry and I did not pace anyone else. I was not wearing the timing chip but I had it in my back pocket and crossed the finish line to turn it in so you would not get a charge for losing it. I did not think it would register and for that I apologize. If you want to talk I would be happy to hear from you.
Now for all the curious peeps out there I just want to say that when I go along to these races I like to get out and ride a little. Not necesssarily 112 miles. But it is very boring waiting around for your freinds to finish their race and so I will take my bike out. And yes I know that is against the rules. I always wait until the last AG's have finished their swim and are on the bike before I start so I don't get in anyones way. I like to get out and take pictures along the course and actually have a nice video clip of a group of 5 or 6 who looked like they may have been drafting. And it was very hard to draft in Cozumel, the wind was not on the nose enough.
This is the first time I have used someones number (which I only used to keep the officials from harrasing me on the bike) and you can be sure after this much fuss I will not be doing this again.
Aaargh, never mind.
Slowtwitch does never cease to entertain, that's for sure.
If i were in this situation, I would ensure that neither participant prevented someone from an age group award or a Kona slot. And I would make every effort to out them as cheaters in the local community and tell this story every time their name is mentioned. I would repeat this as long as anyone would listen. Every church 5k and local tri-gathering I was involved in would here of how weak these two cheaters are.
That being said, you are attempting to press criminal charges because some chick and her boyfriend wanted to do an event together on vacation? really? What if this dude was in your family? You really want him locked up for being a tool? Granted, he angered the tri-gods, I get it. He sucks. Bad karma voodoo on him forever. But you may very well change his life over a photocopy.
My advice is to take a few days and really think about what you are doing. I sincerely hope you change your mind or are unsuccessful.
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So neither US federal or state government will do anything if someone forges a state ID and uses it in another country? Dang.
On what jurisdictional grounds? Mexico is a foreign country. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?
Is it the same with forging Federal documents? A US citizen can forge them and US them outside the US and no problem with any US law enforcement?
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And "picking up someone's packet" for them, as most of us might use it, would mean, please get my bib, any swag, t-shirt, etc and bring them home to me, not use them for yourself. D-bag.
My advice is to take a few days and really think about what you are doing. I sincerely hope you change your mind or are unsuccessful.
I think you left out the part about the identity theft. It wasn't a closed course. If the dude wanted to ride around on the course he could have just done so......same as the run.
As far as catching and calling folks out for cheating on the course because they were drafting ... Wow .. The irony ... Talk about pot calling the kettle black.
I know we haven't spoken since before the race and I have heard you are upset. And at this point rightfully so. I wish you had just contacted me to talk
but since you have gone this route I guess I should remind you of the conversation we had at Terrys post race breakfast where we discussed Cozumel and the fact that you were not going and I was and I asked your permission to pick up your race packet and you were nice enough to say yes and I want to thank you for your generosity.
I do owe you an apology for your name showing up in the results. That was not supposed to happen. As you can see (or could before the results were pulled ) I did not cross any of the timing mats, I did not do the swim but I did do a couple loops of the bike. I certainly did not do the three loops of the run. I might have run 4-5 miles on the run and saw a couple of our friends from home and ran along with them and chatted for a few minutes. Kerry can certainly tell you that she talked with me. I did not pace Kerry and I did not pace anyone else. I was not wearing the timing chip but I had it in my back pocket and crossed the finish line to turn it in so you would not get a charge for losing it. I did not think it would register and for that I apologize. If you want to talk I would be happy to hear from you.
Now for all the curious peeps out there I just want to say that when I go along to these races I like to get out and ride a little. Not necesssarily 112 miles. But it is very boring waiting around for your freinds to finish their race and so I will take my bike out. And yes I know that is against the rules. I always wait until the last AG's have finished their swim and are on the bike before I start so I don't get in anyones way. I like to get out and take pictures along the course and actually have a nice video clip of a group of 5 or 6 who looked like they may have been drafting. And it was very hard to draft in Cozumel, the wind was not on the nose enough.
This is the first time I have used someones number (which I only used to keep the officials from harrasing me on the bike) and you can be sure after this much fuss I will not be doing this again.
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I know we haven't spoken since before the race and I have heard you are upset. And at this point rightfully so. I wish you had just contacted me to talk
but since you have gone this route I guess I should remind you of the conversation we had at Terrys post race breakfast where we discussed Cozumel and the fact that you were not going and I was and I asked your permission to pick up your race packet and you were nice enough to say yes and I want to thank you for your generosity.
I do owe you an apology for your name showing up in the results. That was not supposed to happen. As you can see (or could before the results were pulled ) I did not cross any of the timing mats, I did not do the swim but I did do a couple loops of the bike. I certainly did not do the three loops of the run. I might have run 4-5 miles on the run and saw a couple of our friends from home and ran along with them and chatted for a few minutes. Kerry can certainly tell you that she talked with me. I did not pace Kerry and I did not pace anyone else. I was not wearing the timing chip but I had it in my back pocket and crossed the finish line to turn it in so you would not get a charge for losing it. I did not think it would register and for that I apologize. If you want to talk I would be happy to hear from you.
Now for all the curious peeps out there I just want to say that when I go along to these races I like to get out and ride a little. Not necesssarily 112 miles. But it is very boring waiting around for your freinds to finish their race and so I will take my bike out. And yes I know that is against the rules. I always wait until the last AG's have finished their swim and are on the bike before I start so I don't get in anyones way. I like to get out and take pictures along the course and actually have a nice video clip of a group of 5 or 6 who looked like they may have been drafting. And it was very hard to draft in Cozumel, the wind was not on the nose enough.
This is the first time I have used someones number (which I only used to keep the officials from harrasing me on the bike) and you can be sure after this much fuss I will not be doing this again.
This reeks of "Finman".
I wonder what this dudes challenge is going to be.
Hey, where's the Youtube video to go along with this song and dance?
That is exactly what I think of when I read that the op might have said "OK" to someone picking up their packed for them, not racing in their place.
Other things that make me more uncomfortable about this whole fiasco:
- This guy had to go through the entire process of signing waivers and affirming emergency contact/health insurance issues prior to the race. Many events require athletes to waive risks to the race director/organizing entity as well as the venue so having someone fraudulently sign off on this exposes WTC as well as the venue (Chankanaab?) regardless of what portion of the race he elected to participate in.
- The OP got a phone call from WTC because she didn't register any splits during the entire day but yet still recorded a top-10 finish time in her AG. Unfair to her to have to try and explain this to WTC ex post facto. And, based on her previous IM finishes, this looks like a pretty huge PR (on the order of multiple hours) so I am sure WTC was curious as to how she blew the doors off her previous times AND did not register any splits.
- Plenty of athletes who are there to just comPLETE and not comPETE an event have medical/trauma issues even if going at a pedestrian pace -- hit by a support vehicle on the bike, run off the road by another athlete (a la IM FL 2011 bike course thread), etc... So, what if something like this happened to him? He would have been identified as the wrong person as race/emergency personnel would likely have errantly identified him as the OP. Heck, he is in a predominantly Spanish-speaking country, I can nearly guarantee that there would have been 100% reliance on the bib number he was wearing for identification purposes. Imagine the OP's emergency contact getting a phone call on the day of the event telling said contact that their loved one was being transported to a hospital in Cozumel? "I didn't think she was going to the event???"
- Can you imagine what it would be like to actually show up to a race you were registered for and find out that someone who pulled a similar act had already picked up your race packet? Not what I would want to be dealing with 48-72 hours out from an "A" race. Think about it: anyone can go on to the specific race websites and see the list of registrants > they make a similar fake ID using your name and age but maintaining their photo > pickup your packet first thing when registration opens (so as to pretty much guarantee they get to your packet before you do)... Scary! This will probably result in another "step" in the process that WTC uses during on-site packet pick-up, but I guess it will be worth the wait if they can guarantee that no lowlifes like this try to ruin it for everyone.
And, as for the legal ramifications, I agree that this is between WTC and the offending party (parties?). I agree there was a theft of services and he defrauded a business. WTC needs to ban this guy for life. WTC needs to consider penalizing the accomplice (his g/f) for playing along with it all and allowing him to PACE her during the run -- sorry dude, it WAS PACING no question about it. As I mentioned in an earlier post, if she got a KQ slot out of this she needs to forfeit it. If she affected the roll-down process in any way because of her finishing position in the AG there needs to be additional penalties as well.
.......You are unfreakin unbelievable......Rules do not apply to you though? You and your friend should be banned from all races forever.period.....If in the miniscule chance we meet at a race, I will proclaim your actions to all
So presumably, since you're bringing up this "conversation", it included the part where you were going to forge identities and pretend you were someone else. Okay, cool, got it.
Only thing stopping you from winning post of 2012 is - you're in America and you'll always be behind the rest of us.
Post of 2011 winner right there.
edit: whoops, in his pocket. But still! Finisher's medal and finisher's pic?
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Well done buddy I reckon this is really funny
You think so?
It's one thing to lurk around the fringes of a race, riding a bit here, running a bit there (ummm... even if an open course...not cool in my book, btw)... another thing to pace your girlfriend (which it sure as hell looks like you were doing)... quite another thing to actually cross the freaking finish line when you didn't come close to completing the race... and altogether a huge thing to steal someone's identity to get a race packet (you can claim that you had permission, but it sure doesn't seem so... and even if you DID have permission... that's completely against the rules Jack).
My guess, and utter hope, is that WTC makes sure you or your girlfriend never do this again in a WTC race... or race in any WTC race again.
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You are either an idiot or a douchebag, probably both.
Most normal people actually give the timing chip back WHEN THEY PICK UP THE FREAKING PACKET!!! They don't put it in their pocket all day and then cross the #($*ing finish line.
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They didn't necessarily need your USAT card because in Cozumel we didn't have to show that ID. We had to just show them any ID, which was photocopied. As for the volunteers not checking very carefully, most were young, perhaps high school or early university-aged. Given that they were seeing IDs from many different countries and many different states, they would not have known what was fake or not.
Yes. IMCOZ was under FMTRI's jurisdiction (and I have FMTRI membership and not USAT). I provided my FMTRI number at registration but not at the event (since, I assume it was with the registration. It is possible I was asked to verify the number; not sure. If the OP is interested in pursuing this with FMTRI (that is our, Mexico's, federal triathlon organization) I will assist with contacts and/or translation as needed.
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I know we haven't spoken since before the race and I have heard you are upset. And at this point rightfully so. I wish you had just contacted me to talk
but since you have gone this route I guess I should remind you of the conversation we had at Terrys post race breakfast where we discussed Cozumel and the fact that you were not going and I was and I asked your permission to pick up your race packet and you were nice enough to say yes and I want to thank you for your generosity.
I do owe you an apology for your name showing up in the results. That was not supposed to happen. As you can see (or could before the results were pulled ) I did not cross any of the timing mats, I did not do the swim but I did do a couple loops of the bike. I certainly did not do the three loops of the run. I might have run 4-5 miles on the run and saw a couple of our friends from home and ran along with them and chatted for a few minutes. Kerry can certainly tell you that she talked with me. I did not pace Kerry and I did not pace anyone else. I was not wearing the timing chip but I had it in my back pocket and crossed the finish line to turn it in so you would not get a charge for losing it. I did not think it would register and for that I apologize. If you want to talk I would be happy to hear from you.
Now for all the curious peeps out there I just want to say that when I go along to these races I like to get out and ride a little. Not necesssarily 112 miles. But it is very boring waiting around for your freinds to finish their race and so I will take my bike out. And yes I know that is against the rules. I always wait until the last AG's have finished their swim and are on the bike before I start so I don't get in anyones way. I like to get out and take pictures along the course and actually have a nice video clip of a group of 5 or 6 who looked like they may have been drafting. And it was very hard to draft in Cozumel, the wind was not on the nose enough.
This is the first time I have used someones number (which I only used to keep the officials from harrasing me on the bike) and you can be sure after this much fuss I will not be doing this again.
This is getting better and better.
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Just thought I'd post the OP's statement in case some of you guys missed it.
Picture him trying to keep a low profile at another tri.....Hey I remember you! You're that guy! the Cozumel Douchbag! Look everyone it's the Cozumel Douchbag himself! Hahahahahaha!
Picture him trying to keep a low profile at another tri.....Hey I remember you! You're that guy! the Cozumel Douchbag! Look everyone it's the Cozumel Douchbag himself! Hahahahahaha!
Oh great I can see it know.... He'll be at Ṁ (I guess this site doesn't recognize the M dot character) ; signing autographs as CozDouch.
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After his post it is hard to believe this guy has all his marbles.
But in the history of mankind, men have done way more stupid things just to please a women.
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If this were Canada/us involved, then the fact that the planning/document forgery to commit the crime took place in country A would be enough, usually, for A to prosecute.
Don't you mean on this forum.........
Pink? Maybe. Maybe not. You decide.
Just in case it you haven't heard it enough. You're a douche.
So neither US federal or state government will do anything if someone forges a state ID and uses it in another country? Dang.
On what jurisdictional grounds? Mexico is a foreign country. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?
Is it the same with forging Federal documents? A US citizen can forge them and US them outside the US and no problem with any US law enforcement?
Is it a crime? The very simple answer would be yes. The better question is would the crime merit prosecutorial attention and resources. There's a boatload of factors that would weigh into that decision.
Let's use this case as an example: Pretend that these two idiots falsified Aimee's U.S. passport instead of just her state issued drivers license. Falsifying a U.S. passport is certainly illegal but what was their intent and what harm did it cause? They didn't use it to gain entry into Mexico or the US. They didn't do it for any nefarious reasons. They did it in order to pickup a race packet and do an Ironman. It has zero prosecutorial merit. Who really gives a crap in the grand scheme of things?
Hypothetical #2: an individual falsifies a U.S. passport and goes to Mexico with it. That individual gives that passport to an Al Qaeda operative who then uses it to gain entry into the USA. That would get an awful lot of prosecutorial and investigative attention.
So the answer to your question is it depends.
We're getting way off track here. :-)
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So neither US federal or state government will do anything if someone forges a state ID and uses it in another country? Dang.
On what jurisdictional grounds? Mexico is a foreign country. Why is that so difficult for people to understand?
Is it the same with forging Federal documents? A US citizen can forge them and US them outside the US and no problem with any US law enforcement?
Is it a crime? The very simple answer would be yes. The better question is would the crime merit prosecutorial attention and resources. There's a boatload of factors that would weigh into that decision.
Let's use this case as an example: Pretend that these two idiots falsified Aimee's U.S. passport instead of just her state issued drivers license. Falsifying a U.S. passport is certainly illegal but what was their intent and what harm did it cause? They didn't use it to gain entry into Mexico or the US. They didn't do it for any nefarious reasons. They did it in order to pickup a race packet and do an Ironman. It has zero prosecutorial merit. Who really gives a crap in the grand scheme of things?
Hypothetical #2: an individual falsifies a U.S. passport and goes to Mexico with it. That individual gives that passport to an Al Qaeda operative who then uses it to gain entry into the USA. That would get an awful lot of prosecutorial and investigative attention.
So the answer to your question is it depends.
We're getting way off track here. :-)
You earlier said or implied that no US authorities had jurisdiction to do anything about faking a state ID. Apart from "prosecturial merit" does your statement that it is a crime mean that some US government entity has jurisdiction to do something about about this?
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What else have these people done? Usually, by the time people get caught, it is not the first time they've crossed the line into illegal activity.
You earlier said or implied that no US authorities had jurisdiction to do anything about faking a state ID. Apart from "prosecturial merit" does your statement that it is a crime mean that some US government entity has jurisdiction to do something about about this?
My hypotheticals used a US passport and not a state issued ID. A US passport is a federal document.
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You earlier said or implied that no US authorities had jurisdiction to do anything about faking a state ID. Apart from "prosecturial merit" does your statement that it is a crime mean that some US government entity has jurisdiction to do something about about this?
My hypotheticals used a US passport and not a state issued ID. A US passport is a federal document.
I know.
My question is, does your statement that it is a crime mean any US agency would feel it has jurisdiction to do anything, even if it isn't actually worth doing anything.
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What else have these people done? Usually, by the time people get caught, it is not the first time they've crossed the line into illegal activity.
I never said it was an element of a crime. It is, however, a big part of the equation on what gets prosecuted and what doesn't.
Let's not paint this couple for anything more than what they are.
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What else have these people done? Usually, by the time people get caught, it is not the first time they've crossed the line into illegal activity.
I never said it was an element of a crime. It is, however, a big part of the equation on what gets prosecuted and what doesn't.
Let's not paint this couple for anything more than what they are.
I'm having trouble understanding you. You wrote "Is it a crime? The very simple answer would be yes."
But that aside, what I'm asking is about jurisdiction. For state documents you implied that since this happened in Mexico, no US agency has any jurisdiction. Is that that the same for forging a US Federal document in Mexico and using it in Mexico - would US Federal authorities say they have no jurisdiction?
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You earlier said or implied that no US authorities had jurisdiction to do anything about faking a state ID. Apart from "prosecturial merit" does your statement that it is a crime mean that some US government entity has jurisdiction to do something about about this?
My hypotheticals used a US passport and not a state issued ID. A US passport is a federal document.
I know.
My question is, does your statement that it is a crime mean any US agency would feel it has jurisdiction to do anything, even if it isn't actually worth doing anything.
Using my passport example - if they created the false passport in the US, and transported it in and out of the US... technically that's a crime. Both here and in Mexico.
I even alluded to the fact this couple probably broke the law in Louisiana if they created the false drivers license while still in LA. We, however, don't have any evidence that happened. All we definitively know is a falsified ID was used in Mexico. They could have created it in Mexico. Hence, the jurisdictional dilemma absent any further evidence.
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That's a whole different question than the one you've been asking. Fake US passports are created and used in foreign countries quite extensively.
Who is forging the document? A US citizen or a Mexican citizen? If it's a Mexican, we would not have jurisdiction. I assume you'll say a US citizen though. Hmmmm.... a US citizen forging a US passport in a foreign country and using it only in that foreign country. I'd lean towards it being the foreign government's jurisdiction (since everything about the crime happened there) but I don't 100% know the answer to that.
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That's my official legal ruling on that. ;-)
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Exactly. Being a huge doucheduffell is not a crime.
I feel your pain, buddy. There is literally nothing to do in Cozumel other than riding your bike on the race course, mugging for the cameras and pacing your friends on the run.
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Embarrassing pictures of the guys car with a critique of everything about it(Since this is slowtwitch a bike critique is more appropriate)
And someone threatening the guy with legal action and outing their number, their parents number etc.(thankfully this hasn't happened.)
Otherwise this looks like a legendary thread.
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It's a violation of state law, with some semantical-esque exceptions which certainly don't apply here.
So, serious question here, what I infer from your post is that the act of creating a fake ID isn't a crime, but using one is. Is that right?
That's a whole different question than the one you've been asking. Fake US passports are created and used in foreign countries quite extensively.
Who is forging the document? A US citizen or a Mexican citizen? If it's a Mexican, we would not have jurisdiction. I assume you'll say a US citizen though. Hmmmm.... a US citizen forging a US passport in a foreign country and using it only in that foreign country. I'd lean towards it being the foreign government's jurisdiction (since everything about the crime happened there) but I don't 100% know the answer to that.
US citizen. Same situation as the one that started this thread but a federal instead of state document being forged. You said or implied with state that there was no jurisdiction. So I was curious if that's true for Federal documents. Thanks for the info.
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It's a violation of state law, with some semantical-esque exceptions which certainly don't apply here.
So, serious question here, what I infer from your post is that the act of creating a fake ID isn't a crime, but using one is. Is that right?
It's definitely a crime. I was just saying that creating a fake state issued ID in general is not a federal crime but a state crime. There are certainly exceptions depending on whether the fake state ID was used for something with a federal nexus. That's not applicable in this whole situation though.
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Embarrassing pictures of the guys car with a critique of everything about it(Since this is slowtwitch a bike critique is more appropriate)
And someone threatening the guy with legal action and outing their number, their parents number etc.(thankfully this hasn't happened.)
Otherwise this looks like a legendary thread.
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