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Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's?
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I seem to recall a nice looking lad who frequently raced Ken Souza as a bit of an almost alter- ego. He had short hair and was rather straight-laced in appearance to Souza's dashing "rock star" appeal.

Who was this lad?


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Well, Paul is around here, but I'm thinking of another lad, a bit of an "accountant" to Souza's "rock star".


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [WiScott] [ In reply to ]
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I think it was aerobar early adopter Brad Kearns.

Thank you Sir.


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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There were a few and they all looked straight laced compared to Kenny.

Jeff Devlin
Brad Kearns
Dr. Matt Brick
There was a young gun out of the AZ area I think before PT as well


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [FF Boots] [ In reply to ]
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mike pig
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [FF Boots] [ In reply to ]
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There was "Big" George Pierce from Arizona. He was @ 6 ft. 5. Also, Benjamin Parades from Mexico. A former world class runner that was very fast! Our very own Emilio DeSoto, too. Jeff Devlin was always in the mix. He was 3rd at Kona one year.
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Greg Watson came later I think. Jeff Devlin maybe, but not quite the same speed, especially on the run.


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Was it Brent Steiner?
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [flying wombat] [ In reply to ]
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Yup Brent Steiner, I think he works in the industry still.

Nick Radkiewicks was a fast young guy out of Notre Dame as well.

Joel Thompson had that accountant look a well


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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I remember Souza back in the late 80s/early 90s dominating everything. In my opinion one of the greatest multisport athletes ever to this day. If he wasn't considered "a stone with arms" in the water, maybe the "big four" would have been the "big five" (or "six" if you count Pigg).

Wouldn't it be great to hop in a time machine and see the top duathletes of today racing a young Kenny Souza?
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [FF Boots] [ In reply to ]
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Brent does indeed still work in the industry, with Pearl Izumi. He used to be a rep for Softride way back in the day when I was working at Speedway Bikes in Tucson. It's funny, I was a roadie then and had no idea what a legend Brent was until after I became part of the multisport breathren and left the stupid elitist roadie mentality. Paul Thomas could probably tell us, but I think Joel still has an MD practice in Tucson as well. Both great guys. Between Thompson, Steiner and Thomas, I don't know what was in the Arizona CAP water back then... unfortunately it didn't affect me athletically.

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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I think you are thinking of Joel Thompson.
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [STJay] [ In reply to ]
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Ironic that whatever was IN the AZ water didn't help them in the water, hence they were studs in Duathlon, not tri.


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Greg Watson

I got to ride with him back in '94 when I was still in High School. He happened to be in my LBS when I stopped in during a ride. He was super nice and let me tag along for a one hour ride around town. Super nice. Unassuming. A true class act and a good role model.

He was also one heck of a duathlete back in the day.


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Kenny did not have a nemisis in the 80's. Not till he got married did anyone even get close to him, and that was later on in the 90's. Man that wife of his just sucked the life and speed right out of him. I think the other dominant duathlete just after Kenny was Michel Tobin. He was on top for quite awhile, and I see his name in adventuer racing all the time now. Dude could do it all..
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [cth] [ In reply to ]
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Joel Thompson- the Thompson Timeless Transition Pedal- that was it....


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [FF Boots] [ In reply to ]
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Well, meant that in the sense of CAP (Central Arizona Project) Colorado river water that we were all drinking. But yeah, lotsa tongue-in-cheek there. ;-)

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Joel Thompson is a board-certified hand surgeon in Tucson. He still rides a bit and can throw down some serious watts when he feels like it. His practice has a couple of MD racers...Southwest Hand Cycling Team

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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I see you already got your answer but here are some additional names from back in the Coors Light days, I miss those days!

Fred Kelvan
Shane Cleveland
Craig Reynolds
James Curwin
Mac Williamson
Roger Matherly
John Wessels
Mike Scannell

Also to correct some previous posters, it must have been the SoCal water as back in the late 80's early 90's Joel Thompson and George Pierce were living in SoCal, not Arizona.

PS. I have a stack of results books from the Coors Light races if anyone ever wants a peak.

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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PS. I have a stack of results books from the Coors Light races if anyone ever wants a peak.



I don't know if I ever asked you, but I have been looking for duathlon results from I believe the national champs in Anaheim, from 89 I think it was. Pretty sure Matt Brick won it, Kenny was there, Parades, couple of Kiwis, and yours truly. I did it as a lark, but ended up feeling as good as I ever have in a race, Pr'd my 5k on the 1st run I think, and qualifyied for the US world team, I think 5th or 6th American. Think I was 9th overall, but for the life of me I cannot remember what my splits were.. I rememeber comparing them to the really fast guys, and the course looked legit, not short. It was a crit course, so I caught just about everyone except Matt on the bike, and I think I had a pretty good run for me on the 2nd 5k, but my brain has lost most of that race. I need some conformation to fill in the gaps, and let me know if I have been living a lie all these years.. Maybe you did the race??


Oh ya, it was a Scott Zagarino production as I remember too, and I think I asked him once, and he didnt have the results either..
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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You know what would be cool is to see some footage from the races, if anyone has they could share/upload.

Fwiw, Marty Liquori is on Facebook and I actually sent him a note asking him to put some of it up on YouTube, he asked which stuff from "Running and Racing" and I said the Duathlon stuff. :)

I remember watching that as a collegiate runner fantasizing about the day I could afford a Nishiki Altron with Tri Spokes!

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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What ever became of James Curwen? That dude had one of the most beautiful running strides ever. The kind that makes you say 'now THAT is how you are supposed to run'. We used to put on a race called the Bananaman Duathlon and he came one year. Um, he won while sleep walking;)
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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I see you already got your answer but here are some additional names from back in the Coors Light days, I miss those days!

Fred Kelvan
Shane Cleveland
Craig Reynolds
James Curwin
Mac Williamson
Roger Matherly
John Wessels
Mike Scannell



Don't forget Richard Vernay and John Gailson. It was amazing that at one time the Biathlon/Duathlon had a thriving pro and AG base. And it was totally fun for us triathletes to jump across and race with you guys, and it was pretty much 1/2 and 1/2 on who was going to win. Mark Allen, Greg Welch, Bustos, many other tri guys did pretty well at Duathlon.. I miss those days too, what happened to kill the sport anyway?
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [tigerpaws] [ In reply to ]
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Jay is still racing and kicking butt in the Carolina's. He's a rep for outdoor equipment and is a race director for some pretty brutal running races in and around Asheville. Class guy. He posts on here sometimes under Jager66.



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Ex-cyclist wrote:
Jay is still racing and kicking butt in the Carolina's. He's a rep for outdoor equipment and is a race director for some pretty brutal running races in and around Asheville. Class guy. He posts on here sometimes under Jager66.

Yup same guy I remember, nice as can be. Bananaman was in Auburn, AL. None of us knew who he was.....the sport was so green. No ST. No interwebz. No online race results. I do recall his pace was just under 5 minutes/mile for the opening run and uh, that as we say folks, was all she wrote.
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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Joel is an ortho surgeon here in Tucson. One of the founding members of the SW Hand Cycling Team.

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [juha-pdx] [ In reply to ]
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If I am not mistaken, Souza's Nishiki Altron was in name only. I recall that he had a ti bike, not available from Nishiki, but with appropriate sponsor decals & paint.

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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On at least one occasion, it was Lance Armstrong! - Anaheim Ironman Duathlon 1989

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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Mike,

You forgot Frank Shorter.


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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i think everyone was pretty staight laced compared to kenny. everyone out there covered their packages up while he let his loose!

joel, brent and I are here in Az still trying to keep it somewhat lean. joel rides quite a bit and brent is still turning the cranks. we are still straight laced and we understand kenny is touring with motley crue and will perform in tucson the same week as Tucson Bike Classic!

thanks for the trip down memory lane. "f'' kenny and lets make some more memories!
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [monty] [ In reply to ]
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My first du was the Coors Light race in Chicago '88. Great venue, transition on lower Wacker Drive, up the ramp to ride on Lake Shore Drive.

Who was the woman dominating the series about that same time, maybe into the early 90's?
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [QRNub] [ In reply to ]
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that was also kenny souza...
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [paulthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Good one PT

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [paulthomas] [ In reply to ]
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Great, now I've got to wipe coffee off my screen.
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [QRNub] [ In reply to ]
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Thanks to Slowman's list, Liz Downing and Maddy Tormoen were the two I remember.
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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [zeusrun] [ In reply to ]
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I remember George P. For a big guy, he could run, powerful on the bike. Saw him a few times at the Desert Princess Du in Palm Springs....I hear it was a bad thing the guy couldnt swim well.

I wonder happened to him?
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"I miss those days too, what happened to kill the sport anyway?"

hey, greg klein's bringing the desert princess back. who said the sport is dead?

PT, you up for a little DP next winter?



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Liz Downing?


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Mike Plumb] [ In reply to ]
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I seem to remember Shane Cleveland having some type of revolutionary aerodynamic bike- more so than a Hooker. Perhaps a Trimble?


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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [dvfmfidc] [ In reply to ]
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George has been in Management Consulting (I think) since before his Duathlon days; pretty sure he's in the Bay area. From what I can tell he has stayed really fit.

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I'll add Gary Souverein to the list. I know he got a 3rd place behind Souza and Tobin at Coors Light Denver one year.

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [tigerpaws] [ In reply to ]
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I remember the BananaMan in Auburn, I won it the first year or two that they held it when it was really more of just a club get together back around 87 or so. Charlie Crawford's (ex) wife used to make all kinds of post race snacks all involving bananas.
I used to race again Jay quite a bit back in those days when I was living in Mobile. Funniest thing I ever saw him do, one year leaving the transition for the 2nd run at the Dannon Fort Walton Beach race jay was running 20 yards ahead of me and tripped on his own shoe lace and took a big tumble. We had a good laugh over that.

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the race in Anahiem was actually a year or two ahead of when I started doing du's. I think they were in Anahiem, then Santa Fe NM, then Pheonix. Phoenix was the first year I did CL Nationals. There used to also be a National Championship race in Ontario that I did one year, maybe 1990? Kenny won it of course. I think I was 9th or 10th.

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Holy smokes Mike Plumb! And I was there one of those years you won it too. I think you were packing your car when I went out for my 2nd run;) Bastard! Do you still run like a gazelle?

If you get really hungry for some of that banana bread I still have the recipe on the original piece of paper I wrote it on in Charlie's kitchen!
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I wish I could still run close to what I used too. Baack then it was low 30's/high 29 minute 10kms. Now I'd be happy breaking 40 minutes ;-) A couple of knee surgeries and 20 years of high mileage has taken a toll. But I never give up trying. I sure miss all the fun races and great people in the SE!!

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Hello to that. 2x left knee 1x right knee(combo's of ACL, MCL and both medial meniscus). I soooooo regret hammering big gears and 70 rpm's. My ego cost me a longer run at triathlon, but oh well cycling rocks too!
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so ture. I have gotten back into the bike racing more now. Still doing the multisports, just a bit slower.

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Re: Who was Ken Souza's straight laced nemisis in the 1980's? [Tom Demerly] [ In reply to ]
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It was Joel Thompson- anyone got a picture of that rad 24 inch wheel Holland that he rode for a while?
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