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Re: NIMBY makes its way to the tax bill [oldandslow]
oldandslow wrote:


Fallacy of the excluded middle. Inequities-yes, No policies should ever address it. Inequities-No, then any policy is okay.

Eh my sisters and I were part of that excluded middle. My parents made a little better than what was needed to qualify for grant money at the time but couldn't rub two pennies together so had zero savings for college. Thankfully in the late 90's tuition was just turning into a problem; I worked my ass off in HS so got a number of scholarships for the first few years' and I graduated when interest rates were rock bottom so all told I only had $26K in debt. But tuition went from $18K freshman year to $26K senior year (2002) and now, just fifteen years later, it's $70K. That is sickening.

EDIT: just realized you weren't talking about 'excluded middle' in terms of income class. That said I didn't say there weren't solutions, I pointed out community colleges, scholarship programs and grants. Now it's even more robust with the online options. Throwing federal money into the mix was the absolute LAST thing that should've ever been done, imo.

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Very debatable. You and I don't have access to the parallel universe in which grants and loans didn't exist. Our present wealth/education/opportunity gaps fully explain growing inequality, and have arguably been mitigated in small ways by increased access that grants and loans afforded. It might have come crashing down earlier in that parallel universe, but we can't know.

http://www.nber.org/chapters/c13711.pdf
https://www.newyorkfed.org/...ff_reports/sr733.pdf

This has been studied. What's most troublesome to me is that there's a clear correlation between increasing student aid money and tuition, something around $0.50-0.60 for every dollar in unsubsidized loan money. But that's doubly harmful to the kids who have to take out the loans: not only are they hit with the bigger sticker price of tuition, every dollar of increased tuition reprsents an increase in the loan they need to take out. You wanna talk about income inequality? How about low-middle and middle-class students leaving school $200K in debt when their poor and rich counterparts are debt-free...
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You are right, that is a shit solution. Radically reduce access to all poor and middle-class families, and hope that the small drops in cost suddenly allow better access than now???? Yikes, stick to online teaching ideas....

I didn't say radically, in fact I said slowly roll back federal aid money. Yes, it'd suck, but let me ask you: what's YOUR solution? This is an issue on the cost side of the house, nothing but removing the inflationary impact will do anything but mask (or compound) the issue.
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