BMANX - I'm responding to you but answering a few of the last questions on this thread.
1. Along with the current extensions I have J-Bend and Ski-Bend on the way. Should not be long for those - maybe mid July. They will use the same adjustable mounting system and will follow what you see on the market from other manufacturers with regard to shape options. This was one of the first request I had after the launch and I agree they are needed to round out the front end options.
1.a. We tested a lot of options with respect to hydration both electronically and then in the tunnel. Our bike is fastest with the current Profile Design FC-35. Its a nice piece and holds gels, fluid and computer (up front were it needs to be). Our bike tested 3.2 watts faster with that system in place. The new extension option will make other preferences viable.
2. I have been looking/working on two tilt options - one option is complete. Drawings and CNC samples are done and a prototype is on the way. If the first option works well I will just run enough CNC for the first bikes - and will include production product available by July. I will not increase the price and simply add it to the package. If its not acceptable I will look at the second option.
3. The bike will be here soon so you should be able to get some reviews from customers rather than from people I select to test ride the bike. I think their reviews will be more meaningful. I have thrashed this bike in every condition from technical rides to harsh pothole filled roads - bombing it down hills and long steady pace rides. I have used the Front Center adjustment to see if I could feel the difference and have ridden it with 53/39 and the stock 52/36 with varying arm length. I would not change anything .... others with different riding styles and locations will be valuable feedback and I look forward to that.
4. Wheels are interesting in this business. I don't own the molds to our wheels but the factory is selling 100's per month in their Track Tubular 1200 g, Road and Track Clincher 1285 g. Those are sold by companies at prices slightly higher than ours and twice the price of ours but those with twice the price have slightly better hubs. The ones that are slightly higher price up to big margins use the same hub we do.
We use Chosen and some of the other wheels at high prices use everything from decal-ed Chosen, Pillar and up to the various DT Swiss selections (240 and 350 made in Europe and made in Taiwan).
Our disk width is 24 mm at the wheel / tire interface and works well with 23 - 28 mm tires. Brake track is 12 mm wide. The brake track is slightly sloped to the 24 mm wide portion - the flat portion of the rest of the wheel is about 25.5 mm wide down to the hub. Because of the way we shroud the rear wheel CCR is a bit more important than Aero on our bike in the rear - we use 23 mm Continental GP 4000 II as stock. You can go up to 28 mm wide if you like and the comfort trade off may well be worth it. For the blacked out version (everything blue is black) the rest is the same. We are also bringing in a limited number of 88 mm rear wheels in both black and blue decals at the request of some pre-order customers. Interior dimension of the Disk is 16.8 mm. It has a nice cut-out so its easy to fill with air and we supply a crack-pipe with each bike.
The front wheel (88 mm) is the same with respect to decals and hub (Chosen). It is 25 mm wide at the wheel / tire interface, 18 spokes and 17.5 mm wide interior, also sloped brake track. We use Continental GP 4000 II tires as stock. The front wheel is fastest with the 23 mm on our bike; 635 g. You can go up to 28 mm tire but it is much faster with the wheel we use as standard. Dimensions are as follows: 25 mm wide, then the brake slope and then slightly wider 28 mm wheel profile at its widest point and then the taper back to the spoke holes 10.5 mm - works great with the 23 mm wheel creating a really nice aero-foil shape.
General on Wheels - I went to 6 of the best wheel factories that do private label after our coordinator and Taiwan team narrowed down the list from many factory options. Two in China and 4 in Taiwan. I really thought we would go with a factory in China at first. I tested the wheels at "Faster" tunnel based on the quality of their manufacturing facilities and general fit and finish. Some Taiwan companies (most) also have facilities in China so the market is blurred in that respect. I tested GP 4000II, SuperSonics, Bontrager Aero in a number of widths on both disk and front 88 mm. I used a fast control wheel and the wheels were slow. You just can't tell by looking at a wheel.
I then started working with a mid sized Taiwan company that produces a really nice wheel with some neat brake track heat dissipation properties. The front wheel was great and tested good but the rear disk was 19 mm wide and I really wanted to get some width to allow for some comfort for our long course customers. They tried to make a 24 mm wide disk for about a year but could not get it to pass QA within my time frame. Facing non-matching wheels from two different factories I decided to make a switch. Its too bad as they were a nice company.
We ended up with a medium-large well established and very high quality company that meet all the requirements that I had originally set out to meet. They had sought us out hearing that I was looking for a partner; I was lucky to have worked with them as I was not sure which way to go at the time (mid March 2016). They were already working on a wide disk so things just worked out. They own the molds and can sell it to others but have not as of this date because I have book all the production on that particular wheel.
Dan Kennison
facebook: @triPremierBike
http://www.PremierBike.com
http://www.PositionOneSports.com
1. Along with the current extensions I have J-Bend and Ski-Bend on the way. Should not be long for those - maybe mid July. They will use the same adjustable mounting system and will follow what you see on the market from other manufacturers with regard to shape options. This was one of the first request I had after the launch and I agree they are needed to round out the front end options.
1.a. We tested a lot of options with respect to hydration both electronically and then in the tunnel. Our bike is fastest with the current Profile Design FC-35. Its a nice piece and holds gels, fluid and computer (up front were it needs to be). Our bike tested 3.2 watts faster with that system in place. The new extension option will make other preferences viable.
2. I have been looking/working on two tilt options - one option is complete. Drawings and CNC samples are done and a prototype is on the way. If the first option works well I will just run enough CNC for the first bikes - and will include production product available by July. I will not increase the price and simply add it to the package. If its not acceptable I will look at the second option.
3. The bike will be here soon so you should be able to get some reviews from customers rather than from people I select to test ride the bike. I think their reviews will be more meaningful. I have thrashed this bike in every condition from technical rides to harsh pothole filled roads - bombing it down hills and long steady pace rides. I have used the Front Center adjustment to see if I could feel the difference and have ridden it with 53/39 and the stock 52/36 with varying arm length. I would not change anything .... others with different riding styles and locations will be valuable feedback and I look forward to that.
4. Wheels are interesting in this business. I don't own the molds to our wheels but the factory is selling 100's per month in their Track Tubular 1200 g, Road and Track Clincher 1285 g. Those are sold by companies at prices slightly higher than ours and twice the price of ours but those with twice the price have slightly better hubs. The ones that are slightly higher price up to big margins use the same hub we do.
We use Chosen and some of the other wheels at high prices use everything from decal-ed Chosen, Pillar and up to the various DT Swiss selections (240 and 350 made in Europe and made in Taiwan).
Our disk width is 24 mm at the wheel / tire interface and works well with 23 - 28 mm tires. Brake track is 12 mm wide. The brake track is slightly sloped to the 24 mm wide portion - the flat portion of the rest of the wheel is about 25.5 mm wide down to the hub. Because of the way we shroud the rear wheel CCR is a bit more important than Aero on our bike in the rear - we use 23 mm Continental GP 4000 II as stock. You can go up to 28 mm wide if you like and the comfort trade off may well be worth it. For the blacked out version (everything blue is black) the rest is the same. We are also bringing in a limited number of 88 mm rear wheels in both black and blue decals at the request of some pre-order customers. Interior dimension of the Disk is 16.8 mm. It has a nice cut-out so its easy to fill with air and we supply a crack-pipe with each bike.
The front wheel (88 mm) is the same with respect to decals and hub (Chosen). It is 25 mm wide at the wheel / tire interface, 18 spokes and 17.5 mm wide interior, also sloped brake track. We use Continental GP 4000 II tires as stock. The front wheel is fastest with the 23 mm on our bike; 635 g. You can go up to 28 mm tire but it is much faster with the wheel we use as standard. Dimensions are as follows: 25 mm wide, then the brake slope and then slightly wider 28 mm wheel profile at its widest point and then the taper back to the spoke holes 10.5 mm - works great with the 23 mm wheel creating a really nice aero-foil shape.
General on Wheels - I went to 6 of the best wheel factories that do private label after our coordinator and Taiwan team narrowed down the list from many factory options. Two in China and 4 in Taiwan. I really thought we would go with a factory in China at first. I tested the wheels at "Faster" tunnel based on the quality of their manufacturing facilities and general fit and finish. Some Taiwan companies (most) also have facilities in China so the market is blurred in that respect. I tested GP 4000II, SuperSonics, Bontrager Aero in a number of widths on both disk and front 88 mm. I used a fast control wheel and the wheels were slow. You just can't tell by looking at a wheel.
I then started working with a mid sized Taiwan company that produces a really nice wheel with some neat brake track heat dissipation properties. The front wheel was great and tested good but the rear disk was 19 mm wide and I really wanted to get some width to allow for some comfort for our long course customers. They tried to make a 24 mm wide disk for about a year but could not get it to pass QA within my time frame. Facing non-matching wheels from two different factories I decided to make a switch. Its too bad as they were a nice company.
We ended up with a medium-large well established and very high quality company that meet all the requirements that I had originally set out to meet. They had sought us out hearing that I was looking for a partner; I was lucky to have worked with them as I was not sure which way to go at the time (mid March 2016). They were already working on a wide disk so things just worked out. They own the molds and can sell it to others but have not as of this date because I have book all the production on that particular wheel.
Dan Kennison
facebook: @triPremierBike
http://www.PremierBike.com
http://www.PositionOneSports.com