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Mr. Tibbs
Nov 9, 05 10:05
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We just made it law that marriage is between a man and a woman. I am expecting an end to divorce, rape, armed robbery, teen mothers, single mothers and all other socail ills.
The Christians have won a big battle. It is such an important law that I now believe the Texas family is the greatest family ever. Now that gay dudes are cut out of the legal marriage process criminals and all vices are fleeing my state!
HOOOOORAY! Jesus just called and he said he is coming back now because we have just purged all sin! HOOOOOORAY JESUS! HOOOORAY BEER!!!
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elund
Nov 9, 05 10:23
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did you vote?
Mr. Tibbs
Nov 9, 05 10:34
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Yes I voted for it. You see I see the homosexual secular threat. I have traced all socail ills to gay dudes and their desire to use the law given to straight couples to help protect their ASSets. I know several mass murders who have confessed to me that they won't kill anymore because the gays getting married where their only cover. Now they have no where to hide.
(All kidding aside I didn't vote because it wasn't worth the effort.)
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falk
Nov 9, 05 11:08
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then where do you get off complaining
Mr. Tibbs
Nov 9, 05 11:12
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So I didn't vote because i knew my vote would be a waste of time I can't have an opinoin? Ever take a logic class?
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vitus979
Nov 9, 05 11:14
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Ever take a logic class?
LOL! You live in a society in which the majority opinion is expressed most directly by voting, and you have an opinion, and didn't vote, and when the opposing opinion thus wins the vote, you complain about it. And then you want to know what kind of logic falk is using! Classic.
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Mr. Tibbs
Nov 9, 05 11:21
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My view is a minority view. The simple fact is America is against homosexual marriage. Not by a small number but by over whelming waves of numbers. I am in a no win situtation. I would be arguing against something that is no where based on fact or observation just pie in the sky thinking.
I didn't vote because my vote would be meaningless but I can still say any goddamn thing I want and vote or no vote my statement still stands. This new law will have ZERO effect on anything. It is a feel good law.
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Nov 9, 05 13:20
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I'm in agreeance that it's very likely your vote would mean diddly squat, but I look at it a little differently.
you can either a) say your vote doesn't matter, and don't vote, then it doesn't matter or b) vote, even though it's not going to change anything, but atleast you did your part. I happen to know a lot of people who do "a", myself included, but if everyone who did "a", did "b" instead, all of the sudden, those meaningless votes might mean something and your vote might make a difference. I'm not saying it would happen overnight or that it would ever happen at all, but it you can guarantee it *never* will happen if everyone sticks with "a".
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klehner
Nov 9, 05 13:40
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http://www.nytimes.com/...agazine/06freak.html
"Why Vote?" by the authors of Freakonomics in this past Sunday New York Times Magazine. Very interesting. Here's a question before you read the article: Switzerland has switched over to a mail-in system of voting, where everyone gets a ballot to be returned by mail. Did turnout increase or decrease?
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vitus979
Nov 9, 05 13:45
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Switzerland has switched over to a mail-in system of voting, where everyone gets a ballot to be returned by mail. Did turnout increase or decrease?
Decreased, due to a lesser association with civic virute engendered by mailing it in. (WAG. Haven't read the article yet.)
Isn't Washington state about to go to an all mail voting system?
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Mr. Tibbs
Nov 9, 05 13:54
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The question what if you have no choice in a vote? What if our choices pretty much suck and no matter what choice you make you will be voting for something you don't want? I could have driven in and voted knowing that my vote would not count but what would have been the point? So I can say, "Hey, I voted!" and y'all could say "Oh, you voted. Now I see your point of view."? That wouldn't work because once again my view on this is the extreme minorty view and no little tilting of the windmills on my part will change my mind.
Now can anyone show me how this new law will make everything better in the US?
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Nov 9, 05 14:00
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I'm still trying to figure out why no one is actively trying to "preserve the sanctity of marriage" by banning divorce.
Marriage = One Man + One Woman - wait, not that one, this one. Oooh, maybe this younger one now. Hey, what about that one...
BTW, how many wives has Rush had? And does O'Reilley's antics with a coworker help to preserve the sanctity of his marriage? I wonder.
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Nov 9, 05 14:02
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I'm still trying to figure out why no one is actively trying to "preserve the sanctity of marriage" by banning divorce.
Gotta stop the descent before we can commence ascending.
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Nov 9, 05 14:03
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Right.
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Nov 9, 05 14:04
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Cool, so when are Christians going to start pushing the anti-divorce legislation/amendments?
I'll just be over here waiting while it doesn't happen.
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Nov 9, 05 14:08
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so when are Christians going to start pushing the anti-divorce legislation/amendments?
One step at a time, ya know? It isn't as if there are no Christian voices raised against divorce. But I'd say that as a practical matter, it's necessary to first stop the judicial/legislative/political threat to marriage as between a man and a woman, then it would be necessary to change the majority opinion about the sanctity of marriage as a permanent institution, and only then could one legitimately call for anti-divorce legislation.
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Nov 9, 05 14:10
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Funny how divorce is a non-issue entirely with that group, but they can't say enough about how same sex marriages are evil. God bless hypocricy.
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Nov 9, 05 14:12
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What group?
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The overly politically active right wing evangelicals, specifically. When was the last time you heard any political pressure from them to demand a ban on divorce, or to elect only those who would push for such a ban? It's a non issue.
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and only then could one legitimately call for anti-divorce legislation.
And if you think they would push this issue even when the political climate was right, you're crazy.
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Nov 9, 05 14:21
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When was the last time you heard any political pressure from them to demand a ban on divorce, or to elect only those who would push for such a ban? It's a non issue.
I can assure you that they don't consider it a non-issue. I believe I might even have posted a link or two to some of their work in opposition to divorce, and in favor of a more traditional concept of marriage.
They aren't demanding a ban on marriage because they perceive, quite reasonably, that in the current social environment, it won't work. So in the meantime, they're working on changing that environment. I fail to see the hypocrisy, frankly. It seems that it's not so much a charge grounded in fact, but only one that you think is serious, and therefore damaging.
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Nov 9, 05 14:23
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And if you think they would push this issue even when the political climate was right, you're crazy.
Well, there you go. I defer to your superior understanding of the religious right and your crystal ball.
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Nov 9, 05 14:27
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So dishonest...
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One step at a time, ya know?
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Oh I absolutely know what you mean. I also know that it will never happen.
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It isn't as if there are no Christian voices raised against divorce.
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Sure, there are some. But how many? Would you describe it as a large movement within American Christendom?
Because if you tried to you would be lying through your teeth.
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What group?
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Focus On The Family
The American Family Association
Southern Baptist Convention
Defend The Family
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They aren't demanding a ban on marriage because they perceive, quite reasonably, that in the current social environment, it won't work.
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Moral relativists, then?
Led by opinion polls, not by God.
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NO ONE with any political clout would even attempt to achieve a ban on divorce. The reason, in my opinion, is that there will always be a reason why someone would seek a divorce - gay or straight, even though they swore before God that they would only part in death. This directly affects everyone, and limits their future options, whereas anti-gay groups can push to discriminate against the homosexual minority and their ability to marry, because they KNOW it will never affect them in any negative way. They can enforce their moral righteousness while preserving their right trade up spouses and be forgiven by their church. It's a no-lose situation.
"Reason obeys itself; ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it." - T. Paine
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And if you think they would push this issue even when the political climate was right, you're crazy.
Well, there you go. I defer to your superior understanding of the religious right and your crystal ball.
I'll take that meaningless comment to mean that you agree with me, or at least have no way to refute it.
"Reason obeys itself; ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it." - T. Paine
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