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timboricki
Jul 18, 12 13:56
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Aero Drink Cages - Why they gotta be carbon?
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Why are aero drink cages all made of carbon?
Profile Razor - $84 list price
Bontrager Speed Bottle - $70 list price
Specialized Virtue - $60 list price
Replacement bottles are around $10-$15 for each "system".
Why is the cage so expenisve?
For "normal" bottles, I use a Bontrager RL (Nylon and $15.00 at the LBS). It is plenty light.
Is there some special reason that the Aero Bottles need to be nestled in carbon?
veganerd
Jul 18, 12 13:58
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cause its so freakin cool!!!!!!!!!!! everyone will know how much you paid for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Rambler
Jul 18, 12 14:44
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Carbon gives your water bottle a more comfortable ride.
Ted Striker
Jul 18, 12 15:06
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Re: Aero Drink Cages - Why they gotta be carbon? [timboricki]
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You are right...they don't have to be. We realized this. TorHans Vr bottle available ~August 1st is $39.95, bottle and holder.
Hans
http://www.torhans.com
timboricki
Jul 18, 12 15:11
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Will you offer a package price for a Aero 30 and a VR?
Record10Carbon
Jul 18, 12 15:17
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There is only ONE water bottle cage - and they are less than $20
They will not mark up your bottle, and you will not watch them fly off your bike...
http://www.kingcage.com/...terbottle-cages.html
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beaker
Jul 18, 12 15:21
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I 2nd that! This is the cage/company whom I recommend on all my Hydrotails and other systems. bends to allow a bottle to easily go in and easily go out! They come in Titanium and Stainless too!
Record10Carbon
Jul 18, 12 15:23
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Yeah, for LESS money, you can get a LIGHTER cage (Ti) that will never ever wear out, mark a bottle or let you down....it is just too simple (Ti cage is about $50 retail).
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28 grams
3-2.5 Titanium tubing
Doesn't mark up your bottles
Made in the USA
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OneGoodLeg
Jul 18, 12 15:26
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You did read the "Aero" in the thread title, right?
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Jul 18, 12 15:27
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just got a razor from shop in town for 35. what kind of aero benefits does it have? if any? vs the above mentioned bottle holder with a regular rounded bottle in it.
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Record10Carbon
Jul 18, 12 15:28
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
You did read the "Aero" in the thread title, right?
Yeah - they are stupid, full of fungus. fucks you on the course if you drop your bottle, you cant get a bottle from a buddy on even a training ride if you run out. Like I said, there is only one cage.
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Jul 18, 12 15:29
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Never really thought of that to be honest bit I'll discuss with the rest of the TorHans gang. So maybe.
Hans
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Record10Carbon
Jul 18, 12 15:33
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Never really thought of that to be honest bit I'll discuss with the rest of the TorHans gang. So maybe.
Hans
Been there - done that. What you will find is that the cost of production per piece is cost prohibitive (as compared to imported carbon products). There is no mold to be made and reused. Metal will require constant production skill and human interaction (at the low volume that any cage is made at in comparison). Metal requires a heavier raw good (freight), a jig (equal to a mold - but, not as fast to mass produce), and a welder (meaning a human to pay).
I would LOVE to see a product, but the ROI just is not there.
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Jul 18, 12 15:39
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Record10Carbon wrote:
OneGoodLeg wrote:
You did read the "Aero" in the thread title, right?
Yeah - they are stupid, full of fungus. fucks you on the course if you drop your bottle, you cant get a bottle from a buddy on even a training ride if you run out. Like I said, there is only one cage.
Sure, as a matter of fact I don't have one and if I did I'd only use it for TTs, but that's not the question that was asked.
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Jul 18, 12 15:42
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LOL - have you ever used one? Hell, you cant even hardly get a drink - so, at a TT what are you going to save time wise? Hell, just getting a drink is going to cost you more time than the bottle will save if you dont get a drink. So, if it takes you four seconds longer to get a drink from an aero cage and bottle than a round bottle that you pick out, squeeze and put back seamlessly...what have you gained? Your drink with an aero bottle just cost you more time in use and your lack of aero position than the aero bottle would ever possible gain you. Form, AND Function is what is important.
Oh, we dont think about that ;-)
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Jul 18, 12 15:44
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OneGoodLeg wrote:
Record10Carbon wrote:
OneGoodLeg wrote:
You did read the "Aero" in the thread title, right?
Yeah - they are stupid, full of fungus. fucks you on the course if you drop your bottle, you cant get a bottle from a buddy on even a training ride if you run out. Like I said, there is only one cage.
Sure, as a matter of fact I don't have one and if I did I'd only use it for TTs, but that's not the question that was asked.
Agreed on the "screwed if your drop it". Which is why I want to get away from my PD Razor. Maybe my bike handling skills suck, but I feel like every time I try to put it back in the cage that I am a risk to everyone with 1,000 yards of me. (And it has shot out of the cage on a training ride before.) For about $40 I am willing to try another type to see if it works. As the prices get closer to $100, "no thanks".
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Jul 18, 12 15:58
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LOL - have you ever used one? Hell, you cant even hardly get a drink - so, at a TT what are you going to save time wise? Hell, just getting a drink is going to cost you more time than the bottle will save if you dont get a drink. So, if it takes you four seconds longer to get a drink from an aero cage and bottle than a round bottle that you pick out, squeeze and put back seamlessly...what have you gained? Your drink with an aero bottle just cost you more time in use and your lack of aero position than the aero bottle would ever possible gain you. Form, AND Function is what is important.
Oh, we dont think about that ;-)
What I've seen it used for that might appeal to me (if they cost half as much) is for stowing a flat kit to save a long walk or wait (race would be over anyway). I have a small seat bag that works OK instead, but it's a bit of a pain mounting it with the 'fin' of a Cervelo seatpost sticking out blocking the rails when the saddle is mounted in the forward hole. It'd essentially be a P4-style toolkit.
I've never bothered w/ a drink in 40K or less anyway. But don't let me stop you from arguing a point that nobody asked.
Record10Carbon
Jul 18, 12 15:59
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You have a great idea for the use of the bottle - I have seen many P5 cages converted to be tool cases.
And despite the question that was not asked - it still is the right answer for most of us :-p
Edit : I got to be honest, I did glaze over the word "aero" at first.
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Record10Carbon wrote:
Ted Striker wrote:
Never really thought of that to be honest bit I'll discuss with the rest of the TorHans gang. So maybe.
Hans
Been there - done that. What you will find is that the cost of production per piece is cost prohibitive (as compared to imported carbon products). There is no mold to be made and reused. Metal will require constant production skill and human interaction (at the low volume that any cage is made at in comparison). Metal requires a heavier raw good (freight), a jig (equal to a mold - but, not as fast to mass produce), and a welder (meaning a human to pay).
I would LOVE to see a product, but the ROI just is not there.
I was actually responding to the Aero 30/Vr package deal from the previous post. However, our Vr bottle is made from HDPE, not carbon, not metal. The cost of the injection molded holder was indeed very high for both Vr universal and TorHans/Felt DA. The Vr and both TorHans/Felt DA bottle can utilize the large holder/bottle as a tool carrier as well. We had so much more flexibility on the design w/o having to use the constraints carbon would have presented.
http://www.torhans.com
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Jul 18, 12 18:19
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On a short TT (10-20K) I don't drink at all, unless its very hot. I do drink while warming up & afterwards. I have a Specialized Virtue that does not need 4 seconds more than a round bottle to drink from.
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Jul 18, 12 19:27
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Because they weigh 3 grams less ;) I bought some fake Arundel Mandible for cheap and they hold as good as the real deal.
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keep an eye on chainlove or one of the affiliated sites, they frequently have Cutter carbon cages for $20
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Jul 18, 12 20:40
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Record10Carbon wrote:
There is only ONE water bottle cage - and they are less than $20
They will not mark up your bottle, and you will not watch them fly off your bike...
http://www.kingcage.com/...terbottle-cages.html
I have never had an issue with the Specialized Ribcage with regards to bottle launching and that includes lots of dirt roads and a "roubaix" race. 36 grams for $15 is hard to beat. It marks up my bottles, but I lose bottles in feedzones all the time and don't care if they are scratched to hell or pristine. I really only care that my bottles are there when I reach for them. Now, at some point when I'm building my cost-is-no-object climbing race bike I'll snag some of those Ti cages. I still need my bottles to stay but I can save 16 grams for the pair. When you're building a 13.3lb bike that is still functionally race-worthy you do stupid stuff like spending $50 on a cage, haha
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