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trigoneroadie

Jun 22, 12 19:33

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Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? Quote | Reply

My master's team practices outdoors all summer (noon on Saturdays!) and I am trying to find a spray sunscreen that will stay on the whole workout and isn't full of harmful ingredients. I saw the sunscreen thread from 6/19 and this site was super helpful for lotions: breakingnews.ewg.org/2012sunscreen/best-sunscreens/best-beach-sport-sunscreens/ but I can't reach my own back and I don't always have someone to put sunscreen on my back before practice. I know sprays are not ideal, but burning my back is less ideal. All the sprays I have looked at have Oxybenzone in them.

Anyone know if a spray that works well during a water work out that does NOT have oxybenzone or other less than ideal chemicals?

If not, I guess the question is: is cancer causing sun exposure better or worse than cancer causing sun screen ingredients? [sigh]


(This post was edited by trigoneroadie on Jun 22, 12 19:48)


chaparral

Jun 22, 12 19:41

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without chemicals? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Give me a moment, I am trying to figure out the best snarky response to your question. Really, you do know what chemicals are?


trigoneroadie

Jun 22, 12 19:44

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without chemicals? [chaparral] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

sorry-harmful ingredients that you don't want to put on your body. Forgot what a tough crowd this is. my bad.


(This post was edited by trigoneroadie on Jun 22, 12 19:45)


Allie

Jun 22, 12 19:56

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without chemicals? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

trigoneroadie wrote:
sorry-harmful ingredients that you don't want to put on your body. Forgot what a tough crowd this is. my bad.

I am not being snarky here, I swear it, but the alternative is the potential for melanoma. So, avobenzene it is for me.

Zinc oxide has been implicated in some recent study for causing cellular changes that can lead to some skin cancers, but I don't recall the full findings and whether or not they were legit.


Elsa

Jun 22, 12 20:02

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Please be aware that the Environmental Working Group is considered by many to be little more than an alarmist group with an agenda. Think PETA of the sunscreen world. Yes, we should be aware of chemicals and understand the impacts of using them, but please don't take everything the EWG says as gospel.

For example, the zinc oxide they so dearly love doesn't provide much protection against UVA rays (the dangerous, cancer causing ones).

Editing to add - I highly recommend. Neutrogena Wet spray for good, stable UVA and UVB protection.


(This post was edited by Elsa on Jun 22, 12 20:09)


Dopers.Suck

Jun 22, 12 20:05

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

http://Www.greenbeaver.com. Or Lavera brand is pretty safe as well. Also Aubrey organics.

Good luck

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ollie3856

Jun 22, 12 20:43

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Kinesys


SpicedRum

Jun 22, 12 20:51

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

as someone else said, you need to decide if you'd rather put (potentially) dangerous chemicals on your skin or (potentially) get skin cancer. That is a choice for you. I guess you should also consider if really want to hurt the environment with an aerosol spray ;-) Which might mean more of the suns rays get to you, but if you're covered with dangerous chemicals that are preventing the damaging rays to get to you, then you should be okay ;-)


Deaf Paul

Jun 22, 12 23:01

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Wear a suit.

-Paul


(This post was edited by Deaf Paul on Jun 22, 12 23:01)


317

Jun 23, 12 4:49

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

http://www.trustthebum.com/shop/sb-pro-50-big/


it's not a spray, but it goes on dry and lasts me through 4+ hour rides after a quick dip in the pool / lake.
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Ryon

Jun 23, 12 19:09

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [Elsa] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Elsa wrote:
Please be aware that the Environmental Working Group is considered by many to be little more than an alarmist group with an agenda. Think PETA of the sunscreen world. Yes, we should be aware of chemicals and understand the impacts of using them, but please don't take everything the EWG says as gospel.

Thank you.

Not to toot my own horn, but I do operate a Cancer Q&A blog and this topic has come up before: http://ryongraf.com/...screen-cause-cancer/

In short, based off my own mining of the scientific literature I find the EWG's claims to frequently be baseless or overblown.
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Experior

Jun 23, 12 19:23

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

trigoneroadie wrote:
My master's team practices outdoors all summer
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I don't always have someone to put sunscreen on my back before practice....

Are you the only person on the team?

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dseiler

Jun 24, 12 14:06

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Neotrogena Wet Skin is what I'm using, atm. 3/GO magazine had a favorable review of it, and, happy coincidence, the local pharmacy had an overstock & coupon, so I picked p a couple of cans. So far, so good, and no complaints from the missus.


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Duffy

Jun 24, 12 14:31

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oceanlife

Jun 24, 12 14:36

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

trigoneroadie wrote:
My master's team practices outdoors all summer (noon on Saturdays!) and I am trying to find a spray sunscreen that will stay on the whole workout and isn't full of harmful ingredients. I saw the sunscreen thread from 6/19 and this site was super helpful for lotions: breakingnews.ewg.org/2012sunscreen/best-sunscreens/best-beach-sport-sunscreens/ but I can't reach my own back and I don't always have someone to put sunscreen on my back before practice. I know sprays are not ideal, but burning my back is less ideal. All the sprays I have looked at have Oxybenzone in them.

Anyone know if a spray that works well during a water work out that does NOT have oxybenzone or other less than ideal chemicals?

If not, I guess the question is: is cancer causing sun exposure better or worse than cancer causing sun screen ingredients? [sigh]

Look through here.

http://www.ewg.org/...SPF+greater+than+30/


2lazy2tri

Jun 24, 12 15:17

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Go to Bed, Bath, and Beyond and buy the lotion applicator back brush. It's basically like a back scrub brush with spongy material on the end. Works okay and you can use lotion rather than spray.


trigoneroadie

Jun 30, 12 18:33

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [2lazy2tri] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Oh that is a cool idea. Thanks all for the responses. No I am not the only person on the team, but I'd rather not put lotion on my back and jump in the pool 2 seconds later. Many folks do that, but from what I've read, most lotions aren't formulated to work that quickly.


raz

Jul 1, 12 8:23

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

We live in AZ- land of the blazing sun and I have had melanoma. I'd recommend the cream style sunscreen over the spray when you can but for the purpose of your masters class, why not just use a high quality SPF spray (my family uses Banana Boat)? Yes, it has chemicals but I'm guessing you are in the water for 1-1.5 hours? Just scrub it off in the shower after class. I commend you for worrying about the chemicals, we are exposed to way too many but I think that spraying on some high SPF sunscreen a few times per week is just a drop in the bucket. Other alternative, which is what I do, is to put the sunscreen (cream) on at home, it sinks into my skin on the 5 min drive to the pool and I can hop right in.


MarcusD

Jul 1, 12 10:50

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Check out Endurance Shield. It's a product developed by Jared Shoemaker and his wife, Alicia Kaye. http://www.enduranceshield.com/home
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ttram

Jul 1, 12 12:06

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [trigoneroadie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Surfers (myself included when i did it back in the day) used to swear by Bullfrog...particularly in terms of waterproofness....


bonafide505

Jul 1, 12 15:51

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [Elsa] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

 


You couldn't be more wrong here as Zinc oxide screens out UVA better than anything else.

http://www.skincancer.org/...-on-my-face-and-body




Elsa wrote:
Please be aware that the Environmental Working Group is considered by many to be little more than an alarmist group with an agenda. Think PETA of the sunscreen world. Yes, we should be aware of chemicals and understand the impacts of using them, but please don't take everything the EWG says as gospel.

For example, the zinc oxide they so dearly love doesn't provide much protection against UVA rays (the dangerous, cancer causing ones).

Editing to add - I highly recommend. Neutrogena Wet spray for good, stable UVA and UVB protection.


Elsa

Jul 1, 12 16:28

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [bonafide505] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

bonafide505 wrote:



You couldn't be more wrong here as Zinc oxide screens out UVA better than anything else.

http://www.skincancer.org/...-on-my-face-and-body


Zinc Oxide does provide better UVA protection than Titanium Dioxide, but not better than anything else. I'm actually allergic to the sun, more specifically UVA frequencies. I can tell this because I can tell a big difference in wearing a Zinc Oxide sunscreen vs wearing a chemical sunscreen (my symptoms flare up with just physical block sunscreens) I'm going to speak a bit broadly, but a lot of dermatologists don't really fully understand PPD, photostability, etc in sunscreens.

And for the science types...

"Chemical" UV filters, more appropriately called organic (carbon-containing) filters, work by absorbing UV photons and "converting" them into heat. Physical UV filters, also called inorganic filters (zinc oxide/ZnO and titanium dioxide/TiO2), function by absorbing, scattering, and reflecting UV. While some of the most UVA-protective US sunscreens use physical filters, organic filters such as the Tinosorb and Mexoryl filters can provide superior UVA protection to sunscreens that rely on physical filters alone for UVA protection.

Research that has demonstrated the greater protection afforded by non-US sunscreens with Mexoryl and Tinosorb:
In J Am Acad Dermatol 2000;43:1036-8, it was shown that a high PPD sunscreen with the formulation: Mexoryl SX 3.3%, Titanium dioxide 4.1%, 4-Methylbenzylidenecamphor 5.0%, Parsol 1789 (butylmethoxydibenzoylmethane) 3.5% (i.e. Canadian formulations LRP Anthelios L 60, Ombrelle 60, or Vichy 60) was superior to a photounstable formulation with avobenzone and two formulations with only physical filters in preventing tanning.
"Sunscreen A, which induced the lowest pigmentation intensity, contained Parsol 1789, Mexoryl SX, and titanium dioxide for UVA protection. The second best, sunscreen D, was the only other sunscreen with Parsol 1789 and was followed by the 2 physical sunscreens and the 2 sunscreens with only benzophenones for UVA protection. The sunscreens that protected the least against UVA-induced pigmentation were the sunscreens with the second and third highest SPF (45 and 50), showing that selecting a high SPF sunscreen cannot be used as the only guide to compare UVA protection afforded by sunscreens."
Sunscreen D was not photostable: Parsol 1789 (butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane) 3.0% Octyl methoxycinnamate 7.5% Octyl salicylate 5.0% Oxybenzone 3.0%.

Here is a study which found that a sunscreen containing Tinosorb M was superior to a sunscreen containing only physical filters:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/...i?cmd=Retrieve&d

"One sunblock preparation is a UVB absorber containing zinc oxide (ZnO) and titanium oxide (TiO2) exclusively. The other sunblock preparation is a new organo-mineral sunblock containing Tinosorb? M, OCM, ZnO and TiO2. Evaluation of the photoprotective capacities of both preparations on hairless rat skin and on in vitro reconstructed human epidermis revealed that they were effective in preventing UVB-induced damage. In contrast, only the organo-mineral sunblock was effective in the prevention of UVA-specific damage such as dermal alterations characterized by the expression of vimentin."


(This post was edited by Elsa on Jul 1, 12 16:51)


bonafide505

Jul 2, 12 19:10

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [Elsa] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Elsa....I should have qualified that with "in the USA". Which brand do you use and where do you get sunblock with Mexoryl?


Elsa

Jul 2, 12 19:19

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [bonafide505] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I use La Roche Posay Anthelios spf 15 on my face. It contains Mexoryl and is available in the US at CVS and Walgreens. While the spf is only 15, it has the highest PPD of any US sunscreen. It's near 15.

I can tell you that it has made a very big difference in the sun damage on my face.

On my arms (where I'm most allergic), I use Neutrogena Sport spf 70 or Neutrogena Wet kids spf 70+.

For extended time in the sun, I use high PPD European sunscreen that I order online (Bioderma).


TriBri00

Jul 3, 12 12:36

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Re: Is there a 'waterproof' spray sunscreen without harmful ingredients? [ttram] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

agreed
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