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ladnday
May 4, 12 11:29
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...Flying Pig Marathon.
http://www.kypost.com/...rmal-weather_7479219
Any predictions on when the first notable triathlon will offer something similar?
I don't like this trend. Train for an event. Prepare for the challenge. Have a plan to cope with the challenges which may present themselves. I have done plenty of races in my time and very few of them have been in perfect conditions -- I survived. We all know that for a 4-17+ hour multisport event there are ALWAYS variables which we can't control.
This is a slippery slope.
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AlwaysCurious
May 4, 12 11:40
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Triathletes have been bitching for years that they should be able to defer an IM registration because of unusual circumstances (injury, family emergency, etc.). Now, we have RDs who give the option of deferring registration because of weather, and we bitch about that, too?
uli
May 4, 12 11:44
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Organizers are simply scared. Not only do people die but then you get sued to top things off. So while you're trying to deal with the emotional backlash of having one of yours die, you have a lawsuit in your face.
As a racer, I'm all for HTFU but I can see where they are coming from. As a race organizer you're always with one foot in jail.
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Mad Jee
May 4, 12 11:48
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This isn't about "wussification" it's about RD's being smart from a legal perspective, that's really what it's all about.
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May 4, 12 11:48
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This subject was absolutely beaten to death after Boston. Abnormally high temperatures and adverse conditions are not one in the same. You can modify your performance to overcome adverse conditions. The same is not necessarily true of high temperatures - especially when they occur ahead of the typical acclimation period.
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May 4, 12 11:49
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uli wrote:
Organizers are simply scared. Not only do people die but then you get sued to top things off. So while you're trying to deal with the emotional backlash of having one of yours die, you have a lawsuit in your face.
As a racer, I'm all for HTFU but I can see where they are coming from. As a race organizer you're always with one foot in jail.
They are just being smart to try and keep their businesses.
The comment that we are always bitching that RD's will not give our money back, for whatever reason the person feels they cannot race, and when an RD steps up to the plate and offers this, bitching again.
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Fruitcake
May 4, 12 11:59
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start is 63 degrees, and 75 by noon. if it starts at 6:30, even a 6 hour marathoner will be threw by noon. 75 degrees is now considered hot?
These people would melt if they had to train down in the deep south all the time! I consider this a cold front!
atl_runner
May 4, 12 12:10
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IronLance wrote:
start is 63 degrees, and 75 by noon. if it starts at 6:30, even a 6 hour marathoner will be threw by noon. 75 degrees is now considered hot?
It was ridiculous at Boston, and is beyond ridiculous here. 75 at noon? Unbelievable.
orphious
May 4, 12 12:33
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Sheesh, I was thinking 90 + degrees would be considered excessive heat. 65-75 to me sounds like ideal condidtions to run.
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May 4, 12 12:41
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IronLance wrote:
start is 63 degrees, and 75 by noon. if it starts at 6:30, even a 6 hour marathoner will be threw by noon. 75 degrees is now considered hot?
These people would melt if they had to train down in the deep south all the time! I consider this a cold front!
Why judge what others need? Again, people always bitch that RD's will not give their money back when they do not feel they should race, for whatever reason.
But now you are saying nope, we will not let the RD offer money back without judging, or now you are going to judge by your standards when it is okay to race or not?
Did the sun come up this morning?
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May 4, 12 12:46
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When does it start getting warm up there? 75 isn't very hot where I'm from..
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May 4, 12 12:51
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IronLance wrote:
These people would melt if they had to train down in the deep south all the time! I consider this a cold front!
As we all know, training for a marathon is waaaaay harder than racing one - especially in the deep south.
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May 4, 12 12:52
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As others have noted....give a big thank you to any of your family/friends who are trial attorneys as they're the one & only reason we've gotten to this point.
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May 4, 12 12:52
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orphious wrote:
Sheesh, I was thinking 90 + degrees would be considered excessive heat. 65-75 to me sounds like ideal condidtions to run.
So why not fly there and race it? With all the deferments, you should be able to win the whole f**king thing.
AlwaysCurious
May 4, 12 12:55
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BrianPBN wrote:
As others have noted....give a big thank you to any of your family/friends who are trial attorneys as they're the one & only reason we've gotten to this point.
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And what point is that, exactly? A point where an RD lets you back out of a race because you're not prepared, and graciously allows you to try again next year at no extra cost? Why is that so terrible?
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May 4, 12 13:02
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AlwaysCurious wrote:
BrianPBN wrote:
As others have noted....give a big thank you to any of your family/friends who are trial attorneys as they're the one & only reason we've gotten to this point.
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And what point is that, exactly?
A point where an RD lets you back out of a race because you're not prepared, and graciously allows you to try again next year at no extra cost? Why is that so terrible?
Races have gone on for decades and decades without making deferment concessions due to conditions. We're now at a point where a RD needs to establish different protocol for their respective events because they fear legal repercussions from individuals who may have trouble completing their event when conditions are challenging.
If you don't take issue with that, then we're on very different pages.
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May 4, 12 13:19
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AlwaysCurious wrote:
orphious wrote:
Sheesh, I was thinking 90 + degrees would be considered excessive heat. 65-75 to me sounds like ideal condidtions to run.
So why not fly there and race it? With all the deferments, you should be able to win the whole f**king thing.
LOL I can't tell if you are being mean spirited or just making a joke. I live in upstate NY so I'm used to cold winters and semi hot summers. Temps usually average in the 80s in the summers so 65-75 seems about right to me. Not saying the RD is right or wrong...
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May 4, 12 13:20
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BrianPBN wrote:
Races have gone on for decades and decades without making deferment concessions due to conditions. We're now at a point where a RD needs to establish different protocol for their respective events because they fear legal repercussions from individuals who may have trouble completing their event when conditions are challenging.
If you don't take issue with that, then we're on very different pages.
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Yes, I get that it comes from fear of legal repercussions, and agree that those threats have put an undue damper on many types of fun and business. But in this particular instance, how has the RD been harmed?
AlwaysCurious
May 4, 12 13:27
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orphious wrote:
AlwaysCurious wrote:
orphious wrote:
Sheesh, I was thinking 90 + degrees would be considered excessive heat. 65-75 to me sounds like ideal condidtions to run.
So why not fly there and race it? With all the deferments, you should be able to win the whole f**king thing.
LOL I can't tell if you are being mean spirited or just making a joke. I live in upstate NY so I'm used to cold winters and semi hot summers. Temps usually average in the 80s in the summers so 65-75 seems about right to me. Not saying the RD is right or wrong...
It was both; a mean-spirited joke. Sorry.
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May 4, 12 13:54
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Yah, well check out the forecast for my marathon Sunday:
SundaySunny. Pleasant High 16 C. Low 8 C.Winds NW 15kph. POP 10%
I trained for crappy conditions, how the hell am I supposed to deal with this? I have already expressed my outrage to the RD and demanded a full refund, entry next year, and a foot rub.
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May 4, 12 14:01
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IronLance wrote:
start is 63 degrees, and 75 by noon. if it starts at 6:30, even a 6 hour marathoner will be threw by noon. 75 degrees is now considered hot?
These people would melt if they had to train down in the deep south all the time! I consider this a cold front!
I biked in 105-115 degree weather during 4-7PM every week last summer in Arizona... 75 would have been awesome! 75? HTFU IMO.
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May 4, 12 14:04
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orphious wrote:
Sheesh, I was thinking 90 + degrees would be considered excessive heat. 65-75 to me sounds like ideal condidtions to run.
doing the conversion...so the 90+ is 32+, well, that's normal everyday temperature here. Just take it easy. 65-75 sounds pretty cold but checking the conversion...65 is EIGHTEEN!!! OH MY GAWD that is FREEZING!!! I can't run in those temps. I wait (like an iguana) in the sun for it to warm up to a minimum of 24. And I see 75 is 23.8 so, yeah, 65-75 is DEFINITELY too cold. No way i'd run in those temps.
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May 4, 12 14:05
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Yes, I get that it comes from fear of legal repercussions, and agree that those threats have put an undue damper on many types of fun and business. But in this particular instance, how has the RD been harmed?
This RD may not be harmed but the next RD who doesn't allow deferments may be harmed when a runner dies from the "heat". The lawyers will point out how Boston, etc. allowed deferment and he didn't when it was even hotter than Boston.
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I think the deferments for weather and RD fear of legal blowback are different than what some triathletes have been requesting in regards deferments in the setting of life issues referred to (death in family, illness, injury, etc...).
With regard to the legal liability, allowing for deferments certainly does not eliminate the possibility of medical emergencies occurring, just the same as lining the course with ambulances doesn't guarantee an athlete won't suffer from cardiac arrest. Further, I contend that the option of a deferment will not in any way provide a legal cushion for RD's -- if a distressed/pissed/distraught loved one wants to bring a suit it will happen. Independent of the outcome of the suit (even if the jury finds for the defendant) the RD still has to go through the motions and expense of compiling a legal defense.
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schroeder wrote:
Yes, I get that it comes from fear of legal repercussions, and agree that those threats have put an undue damper on many types of fun and business. But in this particular instance, how has the RD been harmed?
This RD may not be harmed but the next RD who doesn't allow deferments may be harmed when a runner dies from the "heat".
The lawyers will point out how Boston, etc. allowed deferment and he didn't when it was even hotter than Boston.
Would a lawyer do that???? NO WAY!!!
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