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TheBeek

Apr 26, 12 13:11

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My zipps currently have tires taped on and I'm replacing that with glue.
I've gotten the top layer of tape off, but there is still sticky residue and what I guess is the tape's base layer left on the rim. I've used acetone, a toothbrush, a rage, a scrubber sponge and still have this tape crap left on the rim.

can I glue right on top of that or will this cause problems?

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Record10Carbon

Apr 26, 12 13:18

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Oddly, if you use fresh glue it will often roll the old glue off, sorta like viscus boogers of glue. Plus, you get high as hell doing it. You want to get off as much of the old glue as you can. I have even taken baby powder to take the tack off of old glue and then used a spoon to scrape it off.

That will learn ya for using that crazy tape.
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TheBeek

Apr 26, 12 13:21

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [R10C] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
to clarify
I bought the wheels used and the dude before me used the tape.
I'm older and wiser apparently (though I still can't get the damn tape off).


FrankMills

Apr 26, 12 18:50

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Use citrus degreaser. Apply with a brush or wet rag and let it sit for a while. The stuff will come off in little balls like someone else mentioned. Still takes some work but very doable. After you get as much off as you can, be sure to prep the surface with acetone before applying the base coat of glue.


mtlroadie

Apr 26, 12 19:42

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Yea, i've been there. That tape leaves the most ridiculous residue if it's not removed carefully and right away. Basically, you're fucked.

As you probably know by now, degreaser is not going to cut it. I used a product called "Goo-Gone" i think it's also sold as "Goof off" in the USA, check hardware stores. Apply that stuff and let it set a little then get to work, don't expect much, it will only soften the stuff a little. Personally, i found a plastic blue Park tire iron to be the best shape and strength to scrape it off. It's going to take forever so cue up Netflicks and get yourself a beer.
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Toby Tri

Apr 26, 12 19:55

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Did you let part of the rim soak in the acetone for a few minutes, or did you just apply a little bit to a brush or sponge and hope to scrub it off? I'm guessing the latter.

Try again. This time pour some acetone in an aluminum pan and soak a section of the rim for a few minutes. Five should do it. The glue should come right off with a scotch brite sponge. Repeat.


Record10Carbon

Apr 26, 12 19:56

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [Toby Tri] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
When in doubt - MEK, if you are in a state where you are able to purchase it. Just dont get it on ANYTHING, and keep your cigarette away from it.
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jroden

Apr 27, 12 10:10

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
on metal wheels i have used furniture stripper or floor adhesive stripper. brush it on with rubber gloves, let sit and scrape. repeat a few times over a couple days. is it safe for carbon? dunno.


RichardL

Apr 27, 12 15:05

Post #9 of 17 (954 views)
Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [jroden] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
jroden wrote:
on metal wheels i have used furniture stripper or floor adhesive stripper. brush it on with rubber gloves, let sit and scrape. repeat a few times over a couple days. is it safe for carbon? dunno.
Not safe for carbon. The chemicals safe for carbon are: Goo-Gone, Goof Off, Acetone, Isopropyl Alcohol. By the way, Goo-Gone is not the same as Goof Off. Goo-Gone is cirtrus and doesn't release harmful vapor. On the other hand, Goof Off must be used in a well ventilated area or outdoors.


jroden

Apr 27, 12 15:22

Post #10 of 17 (947 views)
Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
You may also just put a thin coat of glue right over top of the tape, put a coat on the basetape and just glue the tires on. Glue over tape is used for cyclocross and it gives you a good bond and if they are just race wheels maybe the tires will last a good long time, esp if you put some sealant in. Getting that crap off with goo gone would not be my idea of fun. I hate tubular tape.


willmcg4132

Apr 27, 12 16:10

Post #11 of 17 (937 views)
Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [jroden] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Im pretty sure the cross tape is a different type of tape, not the same thing as tufo tape.
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jroden

Apr 27, 12 16:22

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [willmcg4132] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
It is different, but you can glue over top of the tufo if you dont want to remove the old


FrankMills

Apr 27, 12 19:37

Post #13 of 17 (918 views)
Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [jroden] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
The solvents in tubular glue soften the tape residue. So what you'll get is a bond that is weaker than straight glue or straight tape. Not recommended.


jroden

Apr 28, 12 3:54

Post #14 of 17 (878 views)
Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [FrankMills] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
you are right, i'm wrong I googled it and found this:

Unlike Tufo’s tape, which is a stand-alone product, the tape Cyclocross World imports from Belgium is designed for use in conjunction with glue-Thorne notes he uses Vittoria’s Mastik One exclusively. The “Belgian Tubular Tape” as Stu calls it-no fancy names here!-is a very thin, double-sided tape with cloth woven in for added strength.

I guess either scrape that stuff off or use it. I'm wondering if you could put a coat on the basetape, let it dry overnight and mount? My experiences with the tufo tape in the past have been ok for road wheels, though it tends to come off in chunks when the tire is removed and starts to goosh out when riding in the heavy rain for long periods.


RichardL

Apr 28, 12 13:14

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Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
If all else fails, heat is your friend. Either use a hair dryer or a heat gun in low heat setting. I used a hobby heat gun this morning on an all carbon Zipp disc to remove left over adhesive residue from Tufo tape, and it worked great. I did a couple of passes over a small section with the heat gun, then used my finger to rub and roll the residue off the rim.


docfuel

Apr 28, 12 18:45

Post #16 of 17 (804 views)
Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [calsbeek] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Try denatured alcohol. Test it to be sure it doesn't hurt the wheel.
I use goo gone for some of this stuff. It might work best after softening it with the denatured alcohol. You can definitely get it in the states.
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FrankMills

Apr 29, 12 11:03

Post #17 of 17 (771 views)
Re: Gluing tubular on top of tape [docfuel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
docfuel wrote:
Try denatured alcohol. Test it to be sure it doesn't hurt the wheel.


So, if you find out it DOES hurt the wheel, then what? Not saying the denatured alcohol is bad, but I've seen similar recommendations with stuff that is questionable. Proven-safe solvents include citrus, acetone, naphta, goo-gone/goof-off, alcohol. Stuff like paint stripper, naval jelly, or other harsher chemicals are sketch. Same with using a heat gun as some of them can get REALLY hot if you're not careful.

   
 
 
 
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