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iRan
Apr 17, 12 9:26
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"The choice in this election is between economy that produces a growing middle class and that gives people a chance to get ahead and their kids a chance to get ahead, and an economy that continues down the road we are on, where a fewer and fewer number of people do very well, and everybody else is running faster and faster just to keep pace."
Axelrod seems pretty clear on the distinction between Romney and four more years of Obama.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/...quote-as-endorsement
http://bangordailynews.com/...-on-fox-news-sunday/
I'm surprised that a ringing endorsement for Romney, by one of Obama's own advisers, didn't get more coverage. Then again, I was skiing all weekend so maybe I missed it.
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Eppur si muove
Apr 17, 12 9:34
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Yes, it definitely could be read that way, couldn't it?
One has to admit that it's a bit peculiar for an incumbent administration, running for reelection, to be arguing against "continuing down the road we're on." Usually, the incumbent's slogan is something like "four more years." Perhaps this time it will be "four fewer years."
klehner
Apr 17, 12 9:47
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I'm not surprised that you are surprised that Romney's camp (and you, apparently) would twist words to meet your objectives.
Obama has done little to change the fundamentals of how the economy
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in this country, in no small part due to the obstructionist policies of the Republicans. The fact that more people are becoming employed, and the economy is growing, doesn't negate the last statement made by Axelrod.
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jkca1
Apr 17, 12 9:50
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I just do not understand the GOP "allowing" another weak conservative to run. The country needs strong fiscal leadership. That is not Mitt's forte. Sigh.
"They are all crooks, both sides of the aisle."
iRan
Apr 17, 12 9:54
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I'm sorry, but you'll have to point out where I twisted Axelrod's words. That's a direct quote.
In any case, it doesn't require twisting. It's really no more than a "slip-of-tongue"...a telling one, for sure. But, a slip nonetheless.
oh, and you truly are an idiot if you think that Romney's camp (and me, apparently) are the only ones who would twist words to meet an objective. How is that rock you are living under?
iRan
Apr 17, 12 9:55
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Very true, and I have said as much before. But, he is what we are stuck with as a candidate and, frankly, to a lot of people it's still better than the alternative.
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Apr 17, 12 10:01
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klehner wrote:
I'm not surprised that you are surprised that Romney's camp (and you, apparently) would twist words to meet your objectives.
Obama has done little to change the fundamentals of how the economy
functions
in this country, in no small part due to the obstructionist policies of the Republicans. The fact that more people are becoming employed, and the economy is growing, doesn't negate the last statement made by Axelrod.
Ken,
I am perplexed on the jobs front...if you look just at the total number of non-farm jobs.
Jan 2009 133,561,000
March 2012 132,821,000
So we need about 127K new jobs per month to keep pace, so that is 127K * 39 months = 4,953,000 down then when you add the jobs we are short in raw numbers is 740,000, so as of this month Obama is down 5,690,000 jobs. We have added $5 Trillion to date to the deficit but down on 5.6M jobs.
Your right not only has he done little to change the fundamentals, he is making it worse. My question would be, is Obama on the clock yet? Cause right now, we are in the worst recovery in our nations history.
patf
Apr 17, 12 10:06
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Eppur si muove wrote:
Yes, it definitely could be read that way, couldn't it?
One has to admit that it's a bit peculiar for an incumbent administration, running for reelection, to be arguing against "continuing down the road we're on." Usually, the incumbent's slogan is something like "four more years." Perhaps this time it will be "four fewer years."
I think he still sees his next four years as a part of his Hope and Change campaign. So in his mind he is still trying to change things.
This way they can save money on adds and re-use that unicorn, hope, and change video that was made. they just have edit out McCain.
Eppur si muove
Apr 17, 12 10:09
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I don't think he should be allowed to use the unicorn until he has qualified for and run the Boston Marathon.
LorenzoP
Apr 17, 12 10:19
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reading stories like this and the 'never worked a day in her life' - gotta wonder which political party is the more desperate
klehner
Apr 17, 12 10:27
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Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 120,000 in March. In the prior 3 months, payroll employment had risen by an average of 246,000 per month.
http://www.bls.gov/...lease/empsit.nr0.htm
According to the same BLS, non-farm employment went from about 138 million in 1/2008 toabout 133 mil in 1/2009 (you know, when Obama took office). It bottomed out at about129 mil in 1/2010 (I'm sure Obama is to blame for the continued decline). After that, ithas continued to rise to over 132 mil now.
Your numbers are another example of lying through statistics. Just as they are as "true" asRomney's 92% of jobs lost are to women, not bothering with context is very telling.
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iRan
Apr 17, 12 10:32
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Exactly. And that was the "slip-of-tongue" that I referred to earlier. They are still running - and thinking - like it is 2008 and this errant comment reflects that.
That is going to kill them in the long run because you can't blame the prior administration 3+ years into your own.
iRan
Apr 17, 12 10:33
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"Gotta winder which political party is the more desperate"
Not really.
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Apr 17, 12 10:39
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seems like Axelrod is doing all right in the current economy.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/...0416,0,7002704.story
Longtime political strategist
David Axelrod
, who helped advise President Obama's presidential run in 2008 and is serving as communications director for Obama's re-election campaign, has paid $1.7 million for a four-bedroom, 3,320-square-foot condo unit in a high-rise condo along
Michigan Avenue
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Eppur si muove
Apr 17, 12 10:43
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Obama has done little to change the fundamentals of how the economy
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in this country, in no small part due to the obstructionist policies of the Republicans.
Do you think that was the obstacle in the first two years of his administration too?
j p o
Apr 17, 12 10:44
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jar1635 wrote:
Exactly. And that was the "slip-of-tongue" that I referred to earlier. They are still running - and thinking - like it is 2008 and this errant comment reflects that.
That is going to kill them in the long run because you can't blame the prior administration 3+ years into your own.
You are obviously right. Obama is in deep, deep trouble. I'd hate to be that guy.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/...p-obama-over-romney/
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/...ages/04/16/rel4a.pdf
According to the poll, 52% of registered voters say if the presidential election were held today, they would vote for the president, with 43% saying they would cast a ballot for Romney,
The survey indicates women voters back Obama over Romney by 16 points (55%-39%), virtually unchanged from an 18-point advantage among women for the president in CNN polling last month.
"By a two-to-one margin, the women surveyed saw President Obama as more in touch with the problems facing American women today."
Half of those questioned say that Obama is more likely to stand up for what he believes, with only 29% saying that about Romney. Nearly half say that Romney is more likely to change his position on the issues for political reasons, just 39% saying the same thing about the president.
Two-thirds say they have made up their minds, with just 29% saying they could change their minds between now and November. As for handicapping the election, right now Americans don't think Romney has a good chance of winning the White House. Only 35% said Romney will be victorious in November.
Eppur si muove
Apr 17, 12 10:46
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Half of those questioned say that Obama is more likely to stand up for what he believes, with only 29% saying that about Romney.
Wouldn't that be a point in Romney's favor? ;)
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Apr 17, 12 10:47
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klehner wrote:
Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 120,000 in March. In the prior 3 months, payroll employment had risen by an average of 246,000 per month.
http://www.bls.gov/...lease/empsit.nr0.htm
According to the same BLS, non-farm employment went from about 138 million in 1/2008 toabout 133 mil in 1/2009 (you know, when Obama took office). It bottomed out at about129 mil in 1/2010 (I'm sure Obama is to blame for the continued decline). After that, ithas continued to rise to over 132 mil now.
Your numbers are another example of lying through statistics. Just as they are as "true" asRomney's 92% of jobs lost are to women, not bothering with context is very telling.
Ken, you can't just count jobs for 3 months, you have to look at where we started and what we have done in the last 39 months. Then you can compare it to what they promised when convincing the congress to spend trillions more. No, I pulled the spread sheet, looked at total non farm jobs in Jan 2009 (Obama's first month) , not the increase or the decrease in any giving month - TOTAL NONFARM JOBS, and looked at them in March 2012. Actually used Paul Krugman's recommended monthly number needed to keep things even and multiplied it by the number of months Obama has been on the clock.
Quote from PK on December 10th, 2009, PK is referencing just adding 127K jobs per month on average over many years..
So that’s a useful benchmark. Even if we add 300,000 jobs a month, we’re looking at a prolonged period of suffering — a huge cost from the Great Recession. So that’s kind of a minimal definition of success. Anything less than that, and it’s bad news. It sort of puts that wonderful report that we only lost 11,000 jobs in perspective, doesn’t it?
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/...10/the-jobs-deficit/
The Obama led recovery is a bust, even the great liberal economist who defined success in 2009 says so. The modest goal is it would take 5 years to recover and get back to full employment - I think full employment is 5%, we are 3 years in, we need about 10 million new jobs in the next two years just to meet this modest goals.
This is the problem for Obama, he has missed every target he has shot at economically. He is on the clock and has been for 39 months. At what point does he take responsibility. Look I am not claiming Romney is the be all end all, I am just pointing our Obama's progress. And when you look at it historically, its the worst recovery in our history.
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Eppur si muove wrote:
Obama has done little to change the fundamentals of how the economy
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in this country, in no small part due to the obstructionist policies of the Republicans.
Do you think that was the obstacle in the first two years of his administration too?
Why would it not have been? Did the Democratic party have a 60 seat majority in 2009/2010?
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Eppur si muove
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Ah, so you want a 60-seat supermajority.
Apparently the left won't be happy until they have unlimited control over all branches of government, checks and balances be damned.
Of course, many on the right would probably take the same attitude.
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jar1635 wrote:
Exactly. And that was the "slip-of-tongue" that I referred to earlier. They are still running - and thinking - like it is 2008 and this errant comment reflects that.
That is going to kill them in the long run because you can't blame the prior administration 3+ years into your own.
1. That's all they know.
2. That's all they know.
The Obama camp will campaign as moderates and hope Americans have no memory.
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Very true, and I have said as much before. But, he is what we are stuck with as a candidate and, frankly, to a lot of people it's still better than the alternative.
At this point the best we can hope for is GOP control of the house/senate. If both sides are forced to work together these is less chance of one side going off the deep end.
"They are all crooks, both sides of the aisle."
Eppur si muove
Apr 17, 12 11:08
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At this point the best we can hope for is GOP control of the house/senate. If both sides are forced to work together these is less chance of one side going off the deep end.
Agreed, except that I would add: If they cannot work together, that would also be an improvement over one side going off the deep end.
j p o
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Eppur si muove wrote:
Half of those questioned say that Obama is more likely to stand up for what he believes, with only 29% saying that about Romney.
Wouldn't that be a point in Romney's favor? ;)
No.
I. Shares your values
Base = Half Sample
Total Men Women
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Obama 49% 47% 52%
Romney 37% 42% 33%
But I'll give Romney his due. There was one question (and only one question) where the majority favored him
Who do you think is more likely to change his position on issues for political reasons -- Barack
Obama or Mitt Romney?
Base = Total Sample
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Barack Obama 39% 40% 37% 43% 30%
Mitt Romney 47% 47% 46% 44% 52%
Eppur si muove
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My point was humorous, but let me just say this: I think that when they asked the "shares your values" question, they were talking about the values of those polled, not my values. Hence my suggestion above.
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