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fordred
Apr 12, 12 22:30
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [mike s]
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There was a rolling resistance test and it was found that the fastest tire is actually a clincher paired with a latex tube.
I've found tubular wheels to ride better for road bikes mainly because it's lighter and makes the ride livelier. It also corners better and rides more subtly compared to a similar psi clincher.
That said, I'm still using clincher on my tri bike. DNFing an expensive tri race due to a tire puncture is not going to happen to me ever!
Brushman
Apr 13, 12 4:19
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [fordred]
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fordred wrote:
...I'm still using clincher on my tri bike. DNFing an expensive tri race due to a tire puncture is not going to happen to me ever!
A common thought. However, for many, this would make no difference.
The number of tri-athletes who can not perform a simple clincher tire/tube change is astounding!
xtremrun
Apr 13, 12 4:35
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Shoopdawoop]
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Shoopdawoop wrote:
Pros:
No pinch flats
Light wheels
Some say the ride and cornering is better
You can ride a flat tub if you are close to the end of a race or transition
You get to act like an ass and scoff at people who don't ride tubies (not sure how to do pink on an iPhone)
Cons:
More complicated initial set up
More expensive flats (though you can have them fixed sometimes)
Can be difficult to change quickly if glued correctly
All you need is a single edge razor blade in your spare kit. Cut the flat one use your finger in the inner tube, rip the tire off. Put the new one on. Maybe 2 to 3 minutes.
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Apr 13, 12 4:57
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [xtremrun]
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That's why I wrote can be difficult; there are ways around it but some people get a little nervous sliding a razor blade across their wheels that cost more than my first car.
nickwhite
Apr 13, 12 5:33
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Thomas Gerlach]
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Vittoria tire has been show to be a disaster
This is news to me. Can you provide a link or something?
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Koz
Apr 13, 12 9:43
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [simpy16]
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Item added to personal to-do list: develop better tubular tire adhesive solution.
I know the old tubie tape is pretty much universally panned, but there has to exist a viable solution that doesn't take 2-3 days to prep a tire for mounting. That just seems ridiculous to the engineer in me.
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Apr 13, 12 9:47
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Koz]
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yea it has to do with getting the right amount of glue applied to both the wheel and tire so there is a good bond.
What people on here keep saying about how tubulars corner better than clinchers is ONLY true if the tubular is glued properly. Sometimes Triathletes cheat and leave a part of the wheel unglued to hopefully help with removing in case of a flat. Not only is this bad rolling resistance but it also can cause the tire to roll off the wheel if it is cornered to hard especially on that part of the tire.
The tape can be used but again it is suppose to have worse rolling resistance than a good clincher and latex option so it goes back to defeating the purpose of having to have tubulars.
Power13
Apr 13, 12 11:52
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Koz]
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Koz wrote:
Item added to personal to-do list: develop better tubular tire adhesive solution.
I know the old tubie tape is pretty much universally panned, but there has to exist a viable solution that doesn't take 2-3 days to prep a tire for mounting. That just seems ridiculous to the engineer in me.
It doesn't, nor should it. A lot of that is roadie lore and completely unnecessary.
For 20+ years I have never taken more than a one night to glue on a tire and have never rolled one (in fact, my tires can be a b*tch to remove).
Coat of glue on the tire, coat of glue on the rim. Sit 20' - 1 hour. Coat of glue on the tire. Put tire on rim. Pump to 120+. Sit overnight, ride the next day.
Just glued a tire on last night for my rebuilt Zipp 404 (now with power!!). Rode the wheel today at lunch.
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Apr 13, 12 12:06
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Thomas Gerlach]
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Which Conti tubular up front to optimize aero?
http://twitter.com/#!/joetysoe
eatfresh
Apr 13, 12 17:02
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [dexterbase]
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If thats a gopro mounted to your helmet in that picture would you please post the vid. That would be interesting to see mr. "base"
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Apr 13, 12 17:10
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [eatfresh]
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That was from 2008, not even sure, did they have GoPros back then?
I do have video though. Let me work on that.
Thomas Gerlach
Apr 13, 12 22:58
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [juha-pdx]
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That all depends on many things but you really can't go wrong with the Supersonic, Attack, or GP4000s. My only real point is there is more to think about than just plain old rolling resistance.
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Apr 14, 12 7:14
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [dexterbase]
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In this day and age, tubulars make no sense whatsoever.
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Apr 14, 12 7:17
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Duffy wrote:
In this day and age, tubulars make no sense whatsoever.
In your opinion.....
People have been saying this for 20+ years......and tubulars are now more popular than they were then (largely due to carbon wheels).
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Apr 14, 12 7:29
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Power13]
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Power13 wrote:
Duffy wrote:
In this day and age, tubulars make no sense whatsoever.
In your opinion.....
People have been saying this for 20+ years......and tubulars are now more popular than they were then (largely due to carbon wheels).
Popular does not equal "makes sense". American Idol is popular. Justin Bieber is popular.
You get no speed gains, pain in the ass to fix a flat, more expensive tires when you do get a flat.
Glue? Please.
It seems to me that there is pretty solid
evidence
that they make no sense when compared to clinchers. When (usually old school roadies) say "tubulars are better"
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is opinion back by zero evidence.
Look at the classifieds. Why are tubulars cheaper than equivalent clinchers? Lower demand.
Banana seats had their time and place, too.
To the OP: there's no reason to be "afraid" of tubulars. There's no reason to buy them, either.
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Apr 14, 12 7:35
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Duffy]
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Ah, the "if you can't measure it, there is no advantage" approach. Got it.
If you think there is no advantage to them, don't ride 'em. But lots of people prefer tubulars....for me, the ride quality is better (perceptive) and I flat far less often (n=1).
YMMV....
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Duffy
Apr 14, 12 7:44
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Power13]
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Ah, the "if you can't measure it, there is no advantage" approach. Got it.
If you can't measure it, it's opinion.
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If you think there is no advantage to them, don't ride 'em.
I don't.
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But lots of people prefer tubulars....for me, the ride quality is better
Again, opinion. And, if you put on some 808 tubulars, road 'em, then put on some 808 clinchers and road 'em,
not knowing what you had on there,
you would not be able to tell the difference.
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I flat far less often (n=1).
Haven't had a flat (on my tri bike, road bike, fixie and cruiser) in over 5 years. Clinchers all.
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Apr 14, 12 8:09
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
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But lots of people prefer tubulars....for me, the ride quality is better
Again, opinion. And, if you put on some 808 tubulars, road 'em, then put on some 808 clinchers and road 'em,
not knowing what you had on there,
you would not be able to tell the difference.
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Nice work....I love how you edit out the fact that I clearly stated my statement re: ride quality was a perceptive one, and then declared it to be an opinion. Uh, yeah.....I just said that!!
As for you declarative statement that I could not tell the difference, we'll have to agree to disagree. But hey, you are entitled to your opinion.
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Apr 14, 12 8:12
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
In this day and age, tubulars make no sense whatsoever.
No doubt about it.....
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread
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Power13 wrote:
Duffy wrote:
In this day and age, tubulars make no sense whatsoever.
No doubt about it.....
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread
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It is also surprising that they don't make any exceptions for more advanced wheels such as zipps, etc.
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What's your point?
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Apr 14, 12 8:19
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Duffy]
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Duffy wrote:
Power13 wrote:
Duffy wrote:
In this day and age, tubulars make no sense whatsoever.
No doubt about it.....
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/...;;page=unread#unread
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It is also surprising that they don't make any exceptions for more advanced wheels such as zipps, etc.
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What's your point?
Look up.....it is going over your head right now!!
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Duffy
Apr 14, 12 8:26
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Power13]
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Right back at you.
"They" are discouraging carbon clinchers because
some of them
have overheating issues. So what? Some of them don't have overheating issues. Why not use those? Mythology perpetuated by the religion of roadie-ism. That's why.
So tubulars are still obsolete.
Remember this "discouragement" is coming from the heart and soul of roadieville. That's the place where myths reign supreme.
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Apr 14, 12 8:46
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Haha. Very funny, but doesn't dispute anything I've said here.
Should I make a list of things road cyclists have shunned or resisted or continue to resist despite the evidence?
Aerobars?
Aero bikes?
Aero wheels?
Carbon!!!!!!?
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Apr 14, 12 13:38
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Re: Why am I afraid of tubulars? [Duffy]
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Ah...now it is triathletes > roadies, not clinchers > tubulars. Gotcha.
Although your claims are demonstrably wrong (go Google Cinelli Laser frames for but one example), I really have no interest in engaging in a discussion that is of little interest to me. can roadies be stuck in lore and myth? Absolutely. But that has nothing to do with your claim that tubulars have no place in today's world.
But I'm sure all the triathlete pros are riding clinchers these days, right?
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