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jbank
Apr 11, 12 19:38
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Racing my first crit this weekend. I've got a pair of H3s that I use on my TT rig. Are these legal to
use in a typical USA cycling event? Would I look like a tool riding them even if they are legal?
Apart from the aero advantage which is probably not hugely relevant, I have nice tires (Vittoria
tubulars) on the H3s, but don't have particularly good tires on my box rim training wheels.
styrrell
Apr 11, 12 19:41
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Almost certain the answer is yes to both questions.
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Apr 11, 12 19:58
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H3 are not mass start legal, depending on the promoter, they *may* not care and you can race em anyways. But in my area, I think you'd have to take em off. Hell our local association is threatening to weigh bikes in the wednesday night crit.
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Apr 11, 12 20:00
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Just make sure before the race others see you sharpening the leading edges ;-)
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Apr 11, 12 20:05
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sketch.....roadies are going to avoid you at all costs.
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Apr 11, 12 20:09
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Fred of the first degree. If you try it show up wearing a tri top as well to make sure you are fully ostracized.
The bright side is you'll be able to practice your TT skills as nobody will be within 10 feet of you.
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Apr 11, 12 20:10
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AMEN!
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Apr 11, 12 20:36
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jbank wrote:
Racing my first crit this weekend. I've got a pair of H3s that I use on my TT rig. Are these legal to
use in a typical USA cycling event? Would I look like a tool riding them even if they are legal?
Apart from the aero advantage which is probably not hugely relevant, I have nice tires (Vittoria
tubulars) on the H3s, but don't have particularly good tires on my box rim training wheels.
If the race follows the UCI mass start rules they're not:
any wheel that has a rim with a very minimal aerodynamic profile (less than 2.5 cm) and at least 16 metal spokes (which can be bladed within dimensional standards)
. Under these parameters many wheel designs will meet the definition.
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fredly
Apr 11, 12 22:42
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They're perfectly fine and legal for a
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race (why do people insist on citing UCI rules?) and you won't look any more tool-like than the Cat 5 guys in their first crit with the 808s on, eh?
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Tom A.
Apr 11, 12 23:05
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fredly wrote:
They're perfectly fine and legal for a
USAC
race (why do people insist on citing UCI rules?) and you won't look any more tool-like than the Cat 5 guys in their first crit with the 808s on, eh?
This ^^^^^
BTW, H3s are GREAT crit wheels...and don't let anyone tell you that you'll look like "a tool" (Who cares anyway?) One of the best Cat 1 Masters racers I know has long used a pair of H3s for his fast races.
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Apr 11, 12 23:07
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Tom A. wrote:
fredly wrote:
They're perfectly fine and legal for a
USAC
race (why do people insist on citing UCI rules?) and you won't look any more tool-like than the Cat 5 guys in their first crit with the 808s on, eh?
This ^^^^^
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Apr 12, 12 0:56
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fredly wrote:
They're perfectly fine and legal for a
USAC
race (why do people insist on citing UCI rules?) and you won't look any more tool-like than the Cat 5 guys in their first crit with the 808s on, eh?
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As someone who lives in a country who races under UCI rules USAC has weird rules, sometimes they quote the UCI, sometimes not. I would hazard a guess the 16 spoke rule is coming for all as it appears it has been introduced to Junior racing this year, I suspect it's a staged roll out. (quoted from
http://www.usacycling.org/.../USAC_rulebook-1.pdf
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Beginning in 2012, all riders aged 12 and under will be restricted to massed-start bicycles as defined in 1M1(g). These bicycles must also have at least 16 spokes and no wheel covers may be used. In 2013, this rule will also be applied to riders aged 13-14.
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Apr 12, 12 5:05
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jbank wrote:
Apart from the aero advantage which is probably not hugely relevant, I have nice tires (Vittoria
tubulars) on the H3s, but don't have particularly good tires on my box rim training wheels.
You're right the aero advantage will be minimal, since you're in a pack. You could always get new tires for your conventional rims. Try veloflex record or vittoria corsa. If they are clinchers, put in a latex tube.
jbank
Apr 12, 12 5:35
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Tom A. wrote:
fredly wrote:
They're perfectly fine and legal for a
USAC
race (why do people insist on citing UCI rules?) and you won't look any more tool-like than the Cat 5 guys in their first crit with the 808s on, eh?
This ^^^^^
BTW, H3s are GREAT crit wheels...and don't let anyone tell you that you'll look like "a tool" (Who cares anyway?) One of the best Cat 1 Masters racers I know has long used a pair of H3s for his fast races.
Coming from the "Credible Hulk", I'll take that as gold. I'm thinking the best way to not look like a tool is to win! Heck, my best chance might be a solo break anyway, so the aero advantage could actually matter ;)
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Apr 12, 12 5:53
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Tom A. wrote:
fredly wrote:
They're perfectly fine and legal for a
USAC
race (why do people insist on citing UCI rules?) and you won't look any more tool-like than the Cat 5 guys in their first crit with the 808s on, eh?
This ^^^^^
BTW, H3s are GREAT crit wheels...and don't let anyone tell you that you'll look like "a tool" (Who cares anyway?) One of the best Cat 1 Masters racers I know has long used a pair of H3s for his fast races.
John Corriveau here in the New England scene fits that description.
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jbank
Apr 12, 12 6:16
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offrhodes wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
fredly wrote:
They're perfectly fine and legal for a
USAC
race (why do people insist on citing UCI rules?) and you won't look any more tool-like than the Cat 5 guys in their first crit with the 808s on, eh?
This ^^^^^
BTW, H3s are GREAT crit wheels...and don't let anyone tell you that you'll look like "a tool" (Who cares anyway?) One of the best Cat 1 Masters racers I know has long used a pair of H3s for his fast races.
John Corriveau here in the New England scene fits that description.
Google image search seems to show that it is indeed possible to be successful that way:
rickn
Apr 12, 12 7:10
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"Heck, my best chance might be a solo break anyway, so the aero advantage could actually matter ;) "
I wish you luck. That said pretty much every first time CAT5 racer thinks the same thing. It does happen from time to time, but not as often as you might think.
That said, IF you do do it, you'll have a harder time the second round because you'll be marked.-unless you are just pimptacular.
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Apr 12, 12 7:43
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Put a "Fred" decal on each spoke and then go solo. Seeing the wheels and decals at the start, none of the "real cyclists" would take you seriously. If you could pull off the solo win, you'd be legend.
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Apr 12, 12 9:13
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Kenney wrote:
Just make sure before the race others see you sharpening the leading edges ;-)
I think you have your H3's on backwards. Isn't the sharp edge the trailing edge?
jbank
Apr 12, 12 9:26
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rickn wrote:
"Heck, my best chance might be a solo break anyway, so the aero advantage could actually matter ;) "
I wish you luck. That said pretty much every first time CAT5 racer thinks the same thing. It does happen from time to time, but not as often as you might think.
That said, IF you do do it, you'll have a harder time the second round because you'll be marked.-unless you are just pimptacular.
Note that I said my best chance, not that it was necessarily a high probability ;)
Given that my strengths relative to others in the race are probably a relatively high watts/kg and watts/CdA and some skill at TT'ing
and my weakness is tactical naivety and a mediocre sprint, does it not make sense that my best chance would be in a solo break?
What else would you suggest?
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Apr 12, 12 9:31
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How good are you at cornering? I'm around 4W/kg and thought I would kick ass in my first crit. I was dropped after 5 laps. I had never cornered like that in my life nor had I ridden through a corner with 75 other riders. By my second Crit I could hang on. But the first was pretty humbling.
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Apr 12, 12 9:41
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How good are you at cornering? I'm around 4W/kg and thought I would kick ass in my first crit. I was dropped after 5 laps. I had never cornered like that in my life nor had I ridden through a corner with 75 other riders. By my second Crit I could hang on. But the first was pretty humbling.
I guess I'll find out. I really have no idea whether I'll be dropped on the first lap or end up lapping the field. I don't know much
about the relative strength of the field around here. I do know that I did pretty well on my bike legs of my tri races last year
and am both lighter and stronger this year, but it is hard to predict where that puts me relative to other beginner roadies.
Indeed along with the previously listed weaknesses as tactics and sprinting, cornering is likely in there too.
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The cornering will blow your mind. It's awesome though. Scared the hell out of me at first. But once you get the hang of it, it's a blast.
Stay in your drops in the corners. It really makes a big difference by lowering your center of gravity and makes you much more stable. Also just remember, you can go just as fast around the corner as they are. It's all in the mind.
Have fun!
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I hope you have a first crit that goes as well as mine did until the last 100 yards.... made it on to the lead break away in the last few laps. About 5 riders. I was on the back of the breakaway, end of the last lap, guy in front of me pulled out to sprint past the field towards the finish and I held onto his wheel to go with him. Next thing I remember is being loaded into an ambulance. Now I ride in triathlons....
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Geez dude, it was meant as a joke..................would have to be the leading edge to chop off a limb.....................Sorry slowtitch police
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