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motoxxx

Apr 7, 12 21:44

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http://www.azfamily.com/...crash-146547105.html


(This post was edited by motoxxx on Apr 8, 12 22:36)


Cmikul

Apr 7, 12 21:57

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Speechless


dashmutton

Apr 8, 12 5:02

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"All three men were wearing their helmets."

So too, we assume, was the driver, since the police report didn't mention it.


Also, because the driver seemed really sorry, the police will not issue a citation. "We just didn't want to rub salt in her wounds," says Hegstrom. "She seemed really bummed about the dent in her SUV, and she was already late to wherever she was going."


jackmott

Apr 8, 12 5:15

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it kills me the way every cyclist hit by car article has to mention whether they were wearing their helmet or not.

as if that is a key bit of information, otherwise it wouldn't matter that they were hit right!?

maybe these articles should quit saying "cyclist hit by car"

and instead: "person hit by car"

When a car-driver is killed in an accident they don't report it as a "Car-drive killed in accident"

its a damn person
and they weren't wearing a helmet


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Robert

Apr 8, 12 5:26

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That's a public service announcement for the benefit of the occasional cyclist or parent of a child. But, point taken....

The more important lesson is to stop your car and hunt for your GPS. I was almost killed by a guy bending down to pick up his garage remote while driving his huge SUV.

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silentcs42

Apr 8, 12 5:39

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Often in the reporting of car accidents they do comment on whether the driver was wearing a seat belt or not. This seems similar to me.


JoeB

Apr 8, 12 6:16

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What gets me is the absolute indifference to value of human life exhibited by the driver. She had to have seen the pack of cyclists. The article stated that the three were just part of a larger group. So, it's while riding NEXT to them, instead of on a clear stretch of highway, that she decides to start reaching around the car and swerving across the road.


logella

Apr 8, 12 6:20

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silentcs42 wrote:
Often in the reporting of car accidents they do comment on whether the driver was wearing a seat belt or not. This seems similar to me.

+1

I was about to say the same thing.
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Bad Fish

Apr 8, 12 9:01

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Public and law enforcement attitudes about drivers who hit and kill bikers is beyond words. The thing that is most aggravating is that a non-trivial number of deaths and injuries to bikers are at the hands of those passive aggressive drivers who buzz you for no other reason than they don't like bikers. Opps! I only meant to be a douche, not kill you! My bad. All they have to say is that they didn't see the biker, or whatever, and they are given a free pass.

Here in New Mexico, almost every biker who gets killed by a car "lost control" of their bike and veered into traffic. The few cases where law enforcement doesn't find the biker at fault only administer a wrist slap to the driver because the act wasn't "aggravated", or something. Off the top of my head there are at least 4 examples in the last year where the police more or less completely exonerated the driver.


scottydoubleewe

Apr 8, 12 9:28

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I would go one further even. when you say "person hit by car" you are personalizing the victim but not the perpetrator - the car didn't do it, the distracted woman did.

I like "bicyclist hit by distracted woman" or "distracted driver critically injures three men" because it puts the blame where it is truly due.

either way you are right, "cyclist hit by car" is so impersonal that you can just brush it off after you hear it which is sickening


markrhino

Apr 8, 12 10:12

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http://www.theage.com.au/...-20111206-1oglq.html
this guy said he was swerving to miss a stray dog
a) bulls#*
b) who swerves to miss a stray dog a runs into two people on the other side of the road?

Holland has the right idea. In a accident between a car and cyclist, the driver is automatically deemed at fault.


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Apr 8, 12 10:38

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I was driving yesterday on I10 and was nearly hit by some dumbass woman who was texting and went from the far left lane all the way to the exit ramp because
she was texting. I think that because I ride, I tend to be a lot more careful and aware of what's going on around when I drive, and I saw her cutting across, piled on my brakes
and avoided her hitting me. The person behind saw it coming too and had enough distance to not hit me...The dumbass remained oblivious...I don't think she even
noticed when going back on her little death trip.


devashish_paul

Apr 8, 12 10:38

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scottydoubleewe wrote:
I would go one further even. when you say "person hit by car" you are personalizing the victim but not the perpetrator - the car didn't do it, the distracted woman did.

I like "bicyclist hit by distracted woman" or "distracted driver critically injures three men" because it puts the blame where it is truly due.

either way you are right, "cyclist hit by car" is so impersonal that you can just brush it off after you hear it which is sickening

If you say this: distracted driver critically injures three men, in effect, you're blaming the driver for hitting three real people, with real lives, relationships and loved ones.

If you say this: Three bicyclists hit by car, in effect the entire this is inanimate and it plays on the general North American public's disdain for people on bicycles or those jogging or anyone generally trying to better their health through exercise....damn those exercise junkies, they really do deserve to die and they got what they deserved when they get on the roads and in our way.

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Duffy

Apr 8, 12 10:44

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Robert wrote:
That's a public service announcement for the benefit of the occasional cyclist or parent of a child. But, point taken....

The more important lesson is to stop your car and hunt for your GPS. I was almost killed by a guy bending down to pick up his garage remote while driving his huge SUV.

-Robert

Just like whether the cyclists were wearing helmets is irrelevant to being hit, so too is the type of vehicle being driven. A Prius will kill you just as dead as a beer truck.

FWIW, I've had way more close calls and have seen way more idiot moves by people in Pruises than people in "huge SUVs".

FWIW2, Hitting a cyclist should be treated at least as harshly as speeding. No citation given? Absurd.


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Sbernardi

Apr 8, 12 12:01

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I get the "how we should report this" but I have read this entire post and have not seen one thing wishing Lito, Brent, and Scott a speedy recovery and prayers for them and their families. One of my very close friends was asked by Brent to go on this ride...

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silentcs42

Apr 8, 12 12:28

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devashish_paul wrote:
scottydoubleewe wrote:
I would go one further even. when you say "person hit by car" you are personalizing the victim but not the perpetrator - the car didn't do it, the distracted woman did.

I like "bicyclist hit by distracted woman" or "distracted driver critically injures three men" because it puts the blame where it is truly due.

either way you are right, "cyclist hit by car" is so impersonal that you can just brush it off after you hear it which is sickening


If you say this: distracted driver critically injures three men, in effect, you're blaming the driver for hitting three real people, with real lives, relationships and loved ones.

If you say this: Three bicyclists hit by car, in effect the entire this is inanimate and it plays on the general North American public's disdain for people on bicycles or those jogging or anyone generally trying to better their health through exercise....damn those exercise junkies, they really do deserve to die and they got what they deserved when they get on the roads and in our way.

She has the right to a fair trial in the US and the media has a responsibility (in theory) not to bias the outcome of the trial. Admittedly or not, saying distracted driver is pretty definitive and damning, as opposed to something like "she is believed to have been driving distracted." You need only look to the Trayvon case to see the craziness that happens when the media puts its own slant on things.

Look, I'm not defending or damning her for her actions and anytime that people get hurt, especially cyclists because I am one too, it's tragic. But it seems like every time these threads pop up it's turn into a rally cry for the damnation of all drivers. See buzz words in earlier posts, such as huge SUV etc. She too probably has a real life with real relationships and real loved ones. They're all people.


mcmetal

Apr 8, 12 15:27

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silentcs42 wrote:
devashish_paul wrote:
scottydoubleewe wrote:
I would go one further even. when you say "person hit by car" you are personalizing the victim but not the perpetrator - the car didn't do it, the distracted woman did.

I like "bicyclist hit by distracted woman" or "distracted driver critically injures three men" because it puts the blame where it is truly due.

either way you are right, "cyclist hit by car" is so impersonal that you can just brush it off after you hear it which is sickening


If you say this: distracted driver critically injures three men, in effect, you're blaming the driver for hitting three real people, with real lives, relationships and loved ones.

If you say this: Three bicyclists hit by car, in effect the entire this is inanimate and it plays on the general North American public's disdain for people on bicycles or those jogging or anyone generally trying to better their health through exercise....damn those exercise junkies, they really do deserve to die and they got what they deserved when they get on the roads and in our way.


She has the right to a fair trial in the US and the media has a responsibility (in theory) not to bias the outcome of the trial. Admittedly or not, saying distracted driver is pretty definitive and damning, as opposed to something like "she is believed to have been driving distracted." You need only look to the Trayvon case to see the craziness that happens when the media puts its own slant on things.

Look, I'm not defending or damning her for her actions and anytime that people get hurt, especially cyclists because I am one too, it's tragic. But it seems like every time these threads pop up it's turn into a rally cry for the damnation of all drivers. See buzz words in earlier posts, such as huge SUV etc. She too probably has a real life with real relationships and real loved ones. They're all people.

Lets put it this way. The cyclists were in a bike lane and there is no legitimate reason for a car to be there, so either she was "distracted" or she intentionally mowed them down.

I suppose another way to characterize the story would be: "Motorist mows down 3 cyclists because reaquiring a lost GPS signal was more important than the lives of anyone else on the road."


motoxxx

Apr 8, 12 22:09

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UPDATE:
Here is the story and the latest updates on the accident:
Lito, Scott and Brent where riding on a single file on the bike lane near McDowell Rd and Elsworth when an SUV hit Scott, then Brent and then Lito. The driver was distracted either texting or adjusting the GPS. Scott and Brent got hit the hardest. The Brumbies riding group was riding behind them when this occurred. They had a couple of doctors in the group and they pretty much saved Scott's live by opening his breathing airways. Thank you guys!!!!
Lito had an exposed fractured in his wrist, broken collarbone and intense road rash on the knee. He just got out of surgery and he is fine and in high spirits.
Brent broke his neck, his spine, some ribs and his hip. He can move and is conscious. They will do an MRI to see if he needs surgery on the spine, or if he just needs a brace.
Scott broke his neck, ribs, had a big cut in his neck and has some bleeding in his brain. He will have surgery to put some plates in his neck and they will wait 24 hours to determine the condition in his brain. He was conscious and he moved all his limps, but because of the brain injury he as sedated.

They are fit and strong and the odds of recovering well are higher amongst athletes.
Their families and we all are grateful for your thoughts and prayers.


jt10000

Apr 18, 12 3:00

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Robert wrote:
That's a public service announcement for the benefit of the occasional cyclist or parent of a child. But, point taken....

So when a pedestrian is hit by a car and killed can we get a PSA about that too? What about people in cars who get injured even with seatbelts - how about some public service on that one?

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kbmcdowell

Apr 18, 12 6:10

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motoxxx wrote:
Lito, Scott and Brent where riding on a single file on the bike lane near McDowell Rd and Elsworth when an SUV hit Scott, then Brent and then Lito. The driver was distracted either texting or adjusting the GPS. Scott and Brent got hit the hardest. The Brumbies riding group was riding behind them when this occurred. They had a couple of doctors in the group and they pretty much saved Scott's live by opening his breathing airways. Thank you guys!!!!
Lito had an exposed fractured in his wrist, broken collarbone and intense road rash on the knee. He just got out of surgery and he is fine and in high spirits.
Brent broke his neck, his spine, some ribs and his hip. He can move and is conscious. They will do an MRI to see if he needs surgery on the spine, or if he just needs a brace. Scott broke his neck, ribs, had a big cut in his neck and has some bleeding in his brain. He will have surgery to put some plates in his neck and they will wait 24 hours to determine the condition in his brain. He was conscious and he moved all his limps, but because of the brain injury he as sedated.

This is what needs to go in the news... people should hear about the types of trauma involved when a biker is hit by a driver of a vehicle. Then maybe they will think twice when they notice someone riding a bike on the road near them.

   
 
 
 



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