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Mar 14, 12 9:45

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Mar 14, 12 9:53

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Schedule a race, cancel it, and then give people two weeks to get a refund or transfer or that money vaporizes...

Heck, I could make some good coin doing that.
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simpy16

Mar 14, 12 10:07

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WOW!!!!!!!

WTC has LOST IT!!!

I am so glad not many of these races are out west so I am not tempted to get my money back six weeks after I sign up.

I think they need to leave the sinking 5150 series ship and cut their losses.

They are buying a lot of these Oly races and then burying them for nobody to enjoy anymore.


sentania

Mar 14, 12 10:10

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [simpy16] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I guess you missed this part:

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The event, which is held on National Park Service property, was recently denied the required Park Service permit for the 2012 race



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simpy16

Mar 14, 12 10:12

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no i saw that but just seems odd that they could get it in years past but somehow WTC failed to secure it this year.

I think they have had more cancelled 5150 races than they have had actual races so far. It is just a lot of money and expenses people are paying for not much stability that they are going to happen.


kbmcdowell

Mar 14, 12 10:22

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simpy16 wrote:
seems odd that they could get it in years past but somehow WTC failed to secure it this year.

Probably someone forgot to submit a form or make a deadline...


Triburger

Mar 14, 12 10:26

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [kbmcdowell] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Is it just me, or does it seem unethical/ridiculous to take people's money before having the appropriate race permits? Is this a typical practice or a result of this race's proximity to DC?


Blue Rider

Mar 14, 12 10:30

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [simpy16] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I did this race last year and decided it was not worth doing again. It ended being a lot of money for lots of pre-race hassle and a race itself that felt hastily designed.

At some point last fall I received a mass e-mail from the race director asking me to sign up again. I wrote back explaining why I wouldn't, and the director, to his credit, responded. But he emphasized the "premium product", the destination race, and some pre-race changes they would make. I appreciated the communication but it did not change my mind. I wonder how many people felt as I did, and if this had anything to do with the race cancellation.
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Twotter

Mar 14, 12 10:31

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [Triburger] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Pure speculation with no basis of knowledge at all....but I wonder if the organizer's attention was more focused on the DC 70.3 race and all of the logistics that go into planning that...and dropped the ball on this race (either intentionally or unintentionally). Whatever the reason, I'm pissed...but happy that at least it wasn't cancelled a week out.


jackmott

Mar 14, 12 10:32

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [Triburger] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Triburger wrote:
Is it just me, or does it seem unethical/ridiculous to take people's money before having the appropriate race permits? Is this a typical practice or a result of this race's proximity to DC?

sometimes it may be impossible to do it otherwise.
reality isn't always convenient.


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jkahan

Mar 14, 12 10:38

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in the hopes that someone from WTC or DCTRI is reading this....


i have no dog in the fight; i am definitely not a WTC-basher; while I understand that there needs to be some "time frame" established for refunds, etc, two weeks seems a little short; assuming all entrants were notified directly (i.e. email or snail-mail) -- I would think a 3 or 4 week deadline for refund / transfer would have been more customer-friendly.
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hammer11

Mar 14, 12 10:43

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [simpy16] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I believe the DC TRI is run by Washington Sports and Event Management Company not WTC (see bottom of the DC TRI home page). I believe it is an example of a licensed race versus an "owned and operated" event. I would also suggest that most event companies take money before permitting is finalized. Most cities or towns wont actually issue a permit that far in advance so they come to an agreement or "memorandum of understanding" and issue permit later on. I am sure there is more to the story than meets the eye. Just my thoughts.


jakers

Mar 14, 12 10:52

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [simpy16] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

This isn't a race that is owned by the WTC.

That being said, I think it's safe to say that there is an attempt to find alternative for people who signed up. This is very unfortunate, and I definitely sympathize with those out a race now.


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elecengrman

Mar 14, 12 10:59

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Some of the people at the Parks Service are A-holes...one park ranger sat at the finish line at a race on the C&O canal and counted the number of people crossing to make sure the number on the permit wasn't exceeded.
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Cervelo Apple

Mar 14, 12 10:59

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This is exactly why I only sign up for races that are:
1) Have been already longer than my participation in triathlon
2) Run by guys/gals that know their $hit.

Not sure if it is indeed permit related, but I don't understand how anyone can sign up for a race before the race course is announced or permits received.


elecengrman

Mar 14, 12 11:04

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [Blue Rider] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Blue Rider wrote:
I did this race last year and decided it was not worth doing again. It ended being a lot of money for lots of pre-race hassle and a race itself that felt hastily designed.

At some point last fall I received a mass e-mail from the race director asking me to sign up again. I wrote back explaining why I wouldn't, and the director, to his credit, responded. But he emphasized the "premium product", the destination race, and some pre-race changes they would make. I appreciated the communication but it did not change my mind. I wonder how many people felt as I did, and if this had anything to do with the race cancellation.

The bike course was a mess with people riding 3 abreast almost the whole course and getting dizzy due to all the turn arounds on the run.
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JEI

Mar 14, 12 11:29

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I did the race in previous years and although I enjoyed it, I decided to skip it this year (it's the kind of race you do once or twice for the experience but then the logistics become exhausting). I wonder if this means anything with regards to the Nation's Tri in September (same producer and similar venue).


zoom

Mar 14, 12 11:32

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [Cervelo Apple] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Cervelo Apple wrote:
This is exactly why I only sign up for races that are:
1) Have been already longer than my participation in triathlon
2) Run by guys/gals that know their $hit.

Not sure if it is indeed permit related, but I don't understand how anyone can sign up for a race before the race course is announced or permits received.

As some had mentioned previously, jurisdictions do not give permits that far ahead of time. They have an "understanding." If you go by the golden rule that you wouldn't sign up for any races that do not have finalized permits in their hands prior to the opening of registrations, you will be sitting home 99% of the time. That's just the reality of race planning.

Disclaimer: I have no dog to fight in this. I've never done this race for a variety of reasons.

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mikebuteau

Mar 14, 12 11:34

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [hammer11] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

hammer11 wrote:
I believe the DC TRI is run by Washington Sports and Event Management Company not WTC (see bottom of the DC TRI home page). I believe it is an example of a licensed race versus an "owned and operated" event. I would also suggest that most event companies take money before permitting is finalized. Most cities or towns wont actually issue a permit that far in advance so they come to an agreement or "memorandum of understanding" and issue permit later on. I am sure there is more to the story than meets the eye. Just my thoughts.

A level-headed response by Hammer. I'm always amazed by the "let's blame it all on WTC" response before knowing all of the facts. I have a call into the National Parks Service to find out more info from their side. I will share that info when I get it.

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dcrainmaker

Mar 14, 12 11:34

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The real question here is what impact (if any) does this have on the Nation's Triathlon in September - since they share many of the same course features/routes/land and are run by the same group. That race is far more significant number-wise than the DC Triathlon (The DC triathlon came as a resultant of the ITU event a few years ago, and stayed afterwards).

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mikebuteau

Mar 14, 12 12:09

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According to Carol Johnson, a spokesperson for Washington's National
Mall and Memorial Parks.
The permit was denied because it was in violation of the park's policy not
to hold any foot races between the Memorial Day and Fourth of July
holidays. The parks had made an exemption the past two years.
"Because of a number of things going on in the parks this year, it was
necessary to enforce the policy. It had nothing to do with who applied for it."


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brider

Mar 14, 12 12:13

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mikebuteau wrote:
According to Carol Johnson, a spokesperson for Washington's National
Mall and Memorial Parks.
The permit was denied because it was in violation of the park's policy not
to hold any foot races between the Memorial Day and Fourth of July
holidays. The parks had made an exception the past two years.
"Because of a number of things going on in the parks this year, it was
necessary to enforce the policy. It had nothing to do with who applied for it."

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mikebuteau

Mar 14, 12 12:15

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[/quote] Conspiracy killer.[/quote]
Haha. Sorry... just blame it on the media. It's easier that way. :)


mrmoosey5

Mar 14, 12 12:26

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I think this has been a problem before.

I remember in the Nation's Tri's first year, it was advertised as a triathlon and then the swim was "cancelled" a week out and the race went off as a duathlon. But my understanding was that they never had the permit for the swim, they just advertised a triathlon with the hopes that they would get the permit.

Similarly, a recent race was advertised that the course would be on the GW Pkwy, which would have significantly alleviated a lot of the bike course congestion that plagues this race. A week out, the course was "changed." Only later did we learn that the race never had the permits for the parkway, they just advertised it that way hoping things would come together.

I'm curious to hear more details, but I think it's fair to be asking questions.
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Mar 14, 12 13:08

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Re: DC Triathlon Canceled [elecengrman] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

elecengrman wrote:
Some of the people at the Parks Service are A-holes...one park ranger sat at the finish line at a race on the C&O canal and counted the number of people crossing to make sure the number on the permit wasn't exceeded.

Next time some A-hole athlete says banditing a race is a victimless crime you sure as hell better respond with this.

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