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Bmanners

Mar 6, 12 16:13

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Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I got the 90mm stem and base bar. Getting two inches cut off of the extensions as we speak. Also had to take a inch off of the seat post. I have only the thinnest spacer under the stem now. I played with it a lil last night and could not get the front end tight. Guy at shop said he needed another spacer to tighten. Does that sound right to you?
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Bmanners

Mar 6, 12 16:20

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Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Also I put the collets (or tightener thingie) for the aero extensions pointed to bottom, just think it looks eyeball faster that way. Are you going to wind tunnel ?
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kirknelson

Mar 6, 12 17:50

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Bmanners wrote:
I played with it a lil last night and could not get the front end tight. Guy at shop said he needed another spacer to tighten. Does that sound right to you?

no, that is not right. i currently have 7.5mm of spacers, but originally set up with 2.5mm (thinnest like you are trying), before adding more spacers.

1. make sure the aluminum 1 1/8" adapter sleeve that fits over the 1" fork is TALLER than the top of the fork by at least 2-3mm or there abouts. (i first did this with uncut sleeve and tall fork until i made final sleeve and fork cuts later)

2. In this order: tighten the headset (6mm hex, of course not too tight, this is your headset bearing load). next, tighten the front stem/aerobar bolt (5mm hex -- use the shortest of the 3 longer bolts that comes. I am using the middle length for my 7.5mm of spacers, but you'll need shortest for 2.5mm spacers). Finally, tighten the stem bolts (4mm hex).


What probably happened is that the mechanic tightened the front stem/aerobar long bolt (5mm) first, then tried to tighten the headset (6mm) next. What happens is the aluminum adapter 1 1/8" sleeve does not engage the top of the headset and you get play as a result.

let me know if for some reason this does not work.
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kirknelson

Mar 6, 12 17:56

Post #29 of 64 (3032 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Bmanners] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Bmanners wrote:
Also I put the collets (or tightener thingie) for the aero extensions pointed to bottom, just think it looks eyeball faster that way. Are you going to wind tunnel ?
i left the collet 4mm adjustment bolts up, just for easier access to them. suppose it might look better down, was just concerned with quick access at the time.

we live in CO and are moving to St. George at end of March. Might wind tunnel toward end of the season if we go to race Rev3 SC again.
would love to, but a lot going on this spring with selling house, moving, etc.
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kirknelson

Mar 6, 12 17:59

Post #30 of 64 (3025 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Bmanners] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Bmanners wrote:
Also I put the collets (or tightener thingie) for the aero extensions pointed to bottom, just think it looks eyeball faster that way. Are you going to wind tunnel ?
are you?
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Bmanners

Mar 6, 12 18:06

Post #31 of 64 (3016 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I am still on the fence about going. It is a 18 hour drive both ways. So that means a hotel room and probably a vacation day. So with gas and all it will be around a 500.00 trip minimum .
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Bmanners

Mar 6, 12 18:10

Post #32 of 64 (3008 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks for the info I will see in the morning. When I was playing with it I was tightening the front bolt first.
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Bmanners

Mar 6, 12 18:14

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Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Number114 and I were talking the other night of maybe cutting the base bar where the bullhorns turn upward. So that they point straight into the wind with less profile. The diameter of bullhorn is same all the way pass the straight point so the brakes should fit no problem. Btw still I am still waiting patiently for the new tririg front brake.
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kirknelson

Mar 6, 12 22:29

Post #34 of 64 (2945 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Bmanners] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Bmanners wrote:
Number114 and I were talking the other night of maybe cutting the base bar where the bullhorns turn upward. So that they point straight into the wind with less profile. The diameter of bullhorn is same all the way pass the straight point so the brakes should fit no problem. Btw still I am still waiting patiently for the new tririg front brake.
hmmmm, never thought of that, and I would prefer that look, similar to vuka bull or vuka aero. i too will get a TriRig Omega front for it, hopefully soon! Talked to Nick a few weeks ago and sounds like it's going well, even a slightly new/better shape than initial prototypes.
if/when you cut it, let me know how it goes. pics please :-)
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Mr. Tibbs

Mar 6, 12 22:38

Post #35 of 64 (2940 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

The bike is great but the little tricycle motor is double super fantastic.
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Recoverie

Mar 6, 12 23:48

Post #36 of 64 (2920 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Definitely a sweet ride. This company seems to produce a quality product. However, my budget won't allow a bike of this caliber any time in the near future. Unless I get sponsored by a team that supplies the bike, I'll have to opt for something like a lower end Speed Concept or Madone (for the road).


RandyS

Mar 7, 12 2:34

Post #37 of 64 (2902 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

kirknelson wrote:
1. make sure the aluminum 1 1/8" adapter sleeve that fits over the 1" fork is TALLER than the top of the fork by at least 2-3mm or there abouts. (i first did this with uncut sleeve and tall fork until i made final sleeve and fork cuts later)

2. In this order: tighten the headset (6mm hex, of course not too tight, this is your headset bearing load). next, tighten the front stem/aerobar bolt (5mm hex -- use the shortest of the 3 longer bolts that comes. I am using the middle length for my 7.5mm of spacers, but you'll need shortest for 2.5mm spacers). Finally, tighten the stem bolts (4mm hex).


What probably happened is that the mechanic tightened the front stem/aerobar long bolt (5mm) first, then tried to tighten the headset (6mm) next. What happens is the aluminum adapter 1 1/8" sleeve does not engage the top of the headset and you get play as a result.

let me know if for some reason this does not work.

Is it just me or are others surprised there are no assembly/service manuals supplied with this bike? Their only tech support literature are torque specs and a picture of the rear brake (as if you bought this at IKEA and assembly by picture is sufficient). No shops in my area have experience building this bike. Other "super bikes" (Shiv, TM01, E-118, SC, P4) have a lot of literature available so a competent mechanic could build it to specs. Blue tech support said nothing was available as bikes of this level are to be assembled by trained professionals. Even if I agreed with this entirely, I still need to know this info when I have to take it apart for travel. Finding an authorized Blue mechanic in the US is hard enough but I wouldn't count on finding one at your race site whether it is in the US or not. A small company like this should provide more rather than less info than the big boys. I can go almost anywhere to find a Specialized or Trek shop but with this bike I have to hope the Trek guy knows what the hell he is doing.


Bmanners

Mar 7, 12 3:39

Post #38 of 64 (2897 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [RandyS] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I Blues defense it was pretty easy to assemble. I am almost sorry I did not do it myself. But mother got me a gift certificate to the bike shop I use for a xmas present. Ya. I know I tell ma to stop getting me presents but she won't listen. Guess it is what she likes to do. But any who u think the hardest thing to do was put the bb30 adapter in. The cables went in so easy it was literally push in and they were through. Only thing I questioned was if it needed cable stops at front of frame. Called Blue support and they told me that the rear brake, front der and rear der able housing is designed to run all the way through.
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Fork-Um

Mar 7, 12 5:17

Post #39 of 64 (2878 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Bmanners] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I have a medium on order and am trying to figure out if I should go with a 90 or 100 stem. From my measurements I could go with both. I'm leaning towards the 90.


Bmanners

Mar 7, 12 5:24

Post #40 of 64 (2874 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Fork-Um] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Why are you leaning towards 90? If you can fit on the 100, wouldnt the handling will be a bit better? You could always push the seat up a bit more.
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Fork-Um

Mar 7, 12 5:36

Post #41 of 64 (2862 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Bmanners] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Handling might be a little better but I guess I don't want to end up stretched out. I'm going to do a couple more measurements and see what I come up with.


kirknelson

Mar 7, 12 8:59

Post #42 of 64 (2828 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Fork-Um] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Fork-Um wrote:
Handling might be a little better but I guess I don't want to end up stretched out. I'm going to do a couple more measurements and see what I come up with.
One thing to consider is the minimum insertion of the extension lengths and where the first bend occurs. I have long arms and I can go another 2-3cm max shorter. with a 100mm stem, you may be cutting extensions pretty short? 90 will handle just fine. I have been riding 80 in CO chinook winds, no issues. Let me know what measurements you may need to help you decide.
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kirknelson

Mar 7, 12 9:26

Post #43 of 64 (2804 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [RandyS] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

RandyS wrote:
kirknelson wrote:
1. make sure the aluminum 1 1/8" adapter sleeve that fits over the 1" fork is TALLER than the top of the fork by at least 2-3mm or there abouts. (i first did this with uncut sleeve and tall fork until i made final sleeve and fork cuts later)

2. In this order: tighten the headset (6mm hex, of course not too tight, this is your headset bearing load). next, tighten the front stem/aerobar bolt (5mm hex -- use the shortest of the 3 longer bolts that comes. I am using the middle length for my 7.5mm of spacers, but you'll need shortest for 2.5mm spacers). Finally, tighten the stem bolts (4mm hex).


What probably happened is that the mechanic tightened the front stem/aerobar long bolt (5mm) first, then tried to tighten the headset (6mm) next. What happens is the aluminum adapter 1 1/8" sleeve does not engage the top of the headset and you get play as a result.

let me know if for some reason this does not work.

Is it just me or are others surprised there are no assembly/service manuals supplied with this bike? Their only tech support literature are torque specs and a picture of the rear brake (as if you bought this at IKEA and assembly by picture is sufficient). No shops in my area have experience building this bike. Other "super bikes" (Shiv, TM01, E-118, SC, P4) have a lot of literature available so a competent mechanic could build it to specs. Blue tech support said nothing was available as bikes of this level are to be assembled by trained professionals. Even if I agreed with this entirely, I still need to know this info when I have to take it apart for travel. Finding an authorized Blue mechanic in the US is hard enough but I wouldn't count on finding one at your race site whether it is in the US or not. A small company like this should provide more rather than less info than the big boys. I can go almost anywhere to find a Specialized or Trek shop but with this bike I have to hope the Trek guy knows what the hell he is doing.

I've built LOOK 596 and 695 i-pack "super" bikes from framesets and they both had manuals. The manuals were helpful for things like adjusting/removing the integrated Zed Crank, installing front brake on 596 integrated fork, and adjusting the 695 integrated Stem (the latter was probably the most complicated of the three.)

The Triad SL was not nearly as complicated, hence no instructions. The build went smoothly. The above steps for adjusting the headset flow from an understanding of any regular threadless headset. First, the need to load the headset bearings, then cinch down the stem to the fork itself.

As for the rear side-pull brake, all the pieces arrived in a baggie and there's only one way they can go together. I'm sure there are online instructions for the TRP brake.

Threading cables/housing through the frame behind the headset was trial-and-error. stick housing in door #1 and see where it comes out. The front derailleur "door" was obvious since it clearly required a shifter housing ferrule. That leaves just 2 other options for rear derailleur and rear brake.

I can understand the desire to have some type of diagram illustrating how the headset/spacers fit together so you can easily take apart and reassemble for travel.

I don't have a TON of experience building an assortment of "super" bikes, but the Blue seemed easy enough compared to LOOK 596 and 695.

Not sure where you live (to help in person or via phone/email), but I'd be happy to help if you have specific questions on it.
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RandyS

Mar 8, 12 20:05

Post #44 of 64 (2732 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Kirk & Bmanners: did you get the front end to tighten up? I'm not finished with the build but it does look like there should be another spacer (other than the centering ring) between the top bearing and the main carbon spacers. The main spacers rest in part on the front part of the fork so no I doubt that tightening the the headset bolt first would tighten up the fork. I will look at it again tomorrow as I may be missing something obvious.

The BB30 adapters have been a bit annoying. Park tool makes a bearing press that would have made it much easier.

My biggest headache with this build has been the Di2 system. The connections would not fit through the holes in the aerobar. After speaking with Blue, I used a round file to open them up a bit. Even then, I learned through trial and error that I needed to run the Di2 wires prior to routing the brake cables as the connections just could not get past certain bends with the brake housing in place. Running the wires then the brakes was no problem once I figured out the order.

I ended up stripping a bold that holds the rear brake cable (even though I used a torque wrench set 1nM lower than specified). I plan to see what the LBSs have around but I am not optimistic. I should be able to make something work but that too will have to wait for tomorrow.


kirknelson

Mar 9, 12 14:29

Post #45 of 64 (2673 views)
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RandyS wrote:
Kirk & Bmanners: did you get the front end to tighten up? I'm not finished with the build but it does look like there should be another spacer (other than the centering ring) between the top bearing and the main carbon spacers. The main spacers rest in part on the front part of the fork so no I doubt that tightening the the headset bolt first would tighten up the fork. I will look at it again tomorrow as I may be missing something obvious.

The BB30 adapters have been a bit annoying. Park tool makes a bearing press that would have made it much easier.

My biggest headache with this build has been the Di2 system. The connections would not fit through the holes in the aerobar. After speaking with Blue, I used a round file to open them up a bit. Even then, I learned through trial and error that I needed to run the Di2 wires prior to routing the brake cables as the connections just could not get past certain bends with the brake housing in place. Running the wires then the brakes was no problem once I figured out the order.

I ended up stripping a bold that holds the rear brake cable (even though I used a torque wrench set 1nM lower than specified). I plan to see what the LBSs have around but I am not optimistic. I should be able to make something work but that too will have to wait for tomorrow.

I can see Di2 making things a bit more tricky. I've never actually built a bike with Di2.

are you missing the silver aluminum ring that engages the top headset bearing? (not sure what it's called). but this interfaces nicely with the top headset bearing, then the black aluminum sleeve sets on top of the silver aluminum ring. The black aluminum 1 1/8" adapter sleeve fits over the fork, and will be inside of the stem making for a snug fit with the stem. Finally, the top of the fork must be lower than the black aluminum adapter sleeve, so that the headset cap engages the black aluminum sleeve, which engages the top of the silver aluminum ring, which engages the top of the headset bearing.

I know for certain you will need the thinnest spacer (2.5mm) as a minimum when putting together the front end. When I first built it up I did with just 2.5mm and had it all snugged down, no loose headset. So as long as you have the little aluminum ring engaging the top headset bearings, a 2.5mm stem spacer, the black aluminum 1 1/8" sleeve engaging the aluminum ring, and the headset cap engaging the black aluminum 1 1'8" sleeve, you should be good. Can't see a reason why it would not snug up.
just make sure your longer 5mm hex front integrated stem bolt is not tightened, nor the 2, 4mm hex stem bolts tightened, before doing the 6mm hex headset cap.

i have a Sette Bearing press that costs 1/3 of the Park press, and works perfectly. even comes with BB30 bushings.

bummer on the stripped bolt. I did that to a front derailleur mounting bolt once. I hate that feeling!
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darkhorse13

Mar 24, 12 11:01

Post #46 of 64 (2445 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [kirknelson] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Hey guys,
I am going to be a Blue SL owner very soon. Quick question, if you had the choice to build this bike with Zipp 808 CC or Bontrager Aeolus 9.0 which would you choose?
Thanks
John


Bmanners

Mar 24, 12 12:09

Post #47 of 64 (2417 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [darkhorse13] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

6 one way half a dozen the other. So for wow factor I would gowith the zipps
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darkhorse13

Mar 25, 12 6:20

Post #48 of 64 (2312 views)
Re: '12 Blue Triad SL LE [Bmanners] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks. I will post pictures when its done


Bmanners

Mar 25, 12 8:51

Post #49 of 64 (2262 views)
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Looking forword to seeing them . Maybe we should start a Blue triad pic post thingee.
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darkhorse13

Mar 25, 12 9:31

Post #50 of 64 (2244 views)
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I like the sound of that. I also have a tririg.com omega brake on pre order :-)

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