Well, Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick! Someone actually read what I wrote with out bringing their own baggage to it.

I bow to you in humble thanks.

The reason why you can't "buy whatever plan you want," is because of the preexisting condition laws. The reason for these laws is that you lose your job, you lose your insurance. You get cancer and need treatment, you then look for insurance to cover it, so companies refuse to cover your preexisting condition.

With that in place, if you were allowed to simply buy whatever coverage you wanted, then why would anyone ever pay to have contraceptives covered? You would just simply wait until your wife got ovarian cysts, and then add that to your plan. But when you do that, it's not insurance anymore. It's just paying for what you need at the time you need it.

Again, in any other country civilized country, its just covered and you pay taxes. I've already covered why we have this f'ed up system.

I wonder how many of Limbaugh's hardcore fans realize that the #1 thing he wants is another 4 years of Obama.

Jesus Fuck, Barry, answer that! What makes contraception so special? Fuck. Fuck. Fuck!

1) the one I just explained to you. If you can opt out of coverage, it would make sense simply to opt out of any and all coverage and then just buy insurance when you need it. Don't pay for cancer coverage, then if you get cancer, start paying for the insurance. You'll save a lot of money that way! Same thing with ovarian cysts.

2) the one I explained earlier. If you can simply pay for insurance for what you are personally at risk for, it shifts the burden heavily onto those that are less fortunate. That's not how universal coverage is supposed to work.. *Everyone* is supposed to be covered regardless of their health. You aren't "buying a plan for yourself." You are sharing in a plan that covers a pool of people. So you pay for contraceptives just like others pay for diabetes (for example, *I* am pretty certain I will never personally get type I diabetes, but I have to pay for a plan that would cover me if I do).

3) the one Jodi explained earlier. It's cheaper to cover contraception than it is to cover babies, which is one reason why the government is pushing for it.

4) It's a political wedge issue that the right is shooting themselves in the foot over. Score one more for team Obama. It's about the economy, stupid, unless you can make it about religion, gays, and birth control.

That should be between me and my insurance company.

Um, you don't get it.

We don't have "universal coverage" in this country (yet). I don't have to have health insurance at all (yet).

Once again you are being obtuse.

"Why do I have to do things that are like universal coverage?" Because they are trying to make it universal coverage. This is really not at all a difficult concept.

Instead of playing dumb, just come right out and say you are against universal coverage and don't like it that they are trying to move in that direction.

....... I am talking about the system we are actually using.

DuffY: "Why does the system that we are currently using not resemble the system we are currently using, but instead resemble the way the government is intending it to now be used?"



I'm pretty sure you don't really know what system you are talking about.

What the fuck are you talking about?

He is saying that you generally dont get to choose medical insurance a la carte, whether that means contraception or chemotherapy. I think. Maybe.

Your tact isn't anything new, though you did a decent job of cloaking it for a while. It's built upon a false dichotomy, that being that there can only exist two systems - one which operates as an unregulated free market and one which operates as a government run universal system. The argument then follows that it's *supposed* to be one or the other.

I have found in my experience with dealing with people that the ones who are quick to call others stupid are usually the dumbest people in the room.

....I've never claimed a higher level of intelligence over anyone else.

I said, and think nothing of the sort. You have a pattern of framing a discussion by saying, for example. "Duffy says xxx and disagree because of aaa." The problem is Duffy never said "xxx".