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hoeferland

Feb 20, 12 9:57

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Time is running out!!! More Updates for September! 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions Quote | Reply
Hi everyone,


I hope this email finds you well and you're enjoying the first few weeks of the season. During the past few years I have been working with the University of Washington and Len Brownlie (of Aerosports Research) to setup two wind tunnel sessions a year in an effort to provide folks from the Pacific Northwest with a local option at nearly half the cost of sessions at other low-speed wind tunnels. A group of five riders took part in our first session in March 2011 and we had the following results:


(Note: If the following table doesn't come through well the best result was 238 seconds of savings in a 40k TT. Average improvement was ~60 seconds.)


Cyclist
Max. Drag Reduction from Baseline (g)
Est. Time Savings in 40K


Rider 1
10
4.6
Rider 2
513
238
Rider 3
145
67
Rider 4
69
32
Rider 5
92
43

Here is a video of Len talking about aero stuff: http://www.slowtwitch.com/...Air_Attack_2861.html

Here are the details:
- Session Cost: $650 per/rider (with a max of 5 riders per day of session)
- What's included: ~2 hours of tunnel time, professional consulting, and a testing program desiged around your goals (e.g. equipment or position changes, various wind angles, etc.). You'll also receive a summary report and DVD of your session. (In full transparancy it took a while for our riders to receive their summary and DVD during our last session and I've taken steps to make sure this doesn't happen in the future, but it may take a while.)
- Tunnel: University of Washington's Low-Speed Wind Tunnel in Seattle
- Consulting: Len Brownlie of Aerosports Research


Dates:
9/7 and 9/8 2012 - ~4 slots available


What do I need to do to secure a slot?
- Email or call me at 971-404-5665 or hoeferland@comcast.net
- Send a $50 deposit to hoeferland@comcast.net via Paypal (personal funds)


If you have any questions, comments, or concerns please let me know.


Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer

(This post was edited by hoeferland on Aug 16, 12 11:41)


chrisesposito

Feb 20, 12 10:05

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payment sent.


SavageHouck

Feb 20, 12 10:11

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Payment sent.


AndyF

Feb 20, 12 10:50

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Re: 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [hoeferland] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Wow, Len's a great guy who really knows his stuff. Sounds like a good deal, if I was in the market for it. Must work on reducing my volume first. :-)

AndyF
http://alphamantis.com

(This post was edited by AndyF on Feb 20, 12 10:50)


hoeferland

Feb 20, 12 12:36

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Re: 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [AndyF] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Yes, Len is great and you learn a TON from the process.

Only 7 slots left for the April session.
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Feb 24, 12 14:46

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Let me know if you have any questions about the sessions and/or arrangements.
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


chrisesposito

Feb 24, 12 14:55

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Re: 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [hoeferland] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Carl,
first, thanks for setting this up. I've not done this before so have a few questions about what happens during a session.

We show up with bike, race wheels and TT helmet (assuming we have them, of course which I do)?

The tunnel folks do some sort of baseline measurement with this, and then suggests / tests a series of changes to rider position? Do they swap and test different stems, helmets, etc.? Do they have this stuff on hand?

Thanks,
Chris


hoeferland

Feb 26, 12 7:40

Post #8 of 24 (3144 views)
Re: 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [chrisesposito] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
That's pretty close to the typical flow I've experienced so far:

Prior to the session:
- I'll distribute a few questionaries you'll fill out, which will help Len develop your testing objectives and protocol
- You will also get a chance to exchange emails with Len to talk about where to get the most tunnel time "bang for the buck."

You'll bring to the session:
- Typical gear setup
- Anything you'd like to test

We will NOT have additional stems or equipment to change between (e.g. 90 to 100mm stem), but there is time for flipping/exchanging stems, adjusting reach and pad position, etc.

Things to remember:
1. You biggest gains will come from positioning rather than equipment, or at least usually due. So, testing 4 pairs of wheels provides less value than testing 4 hand/arm/head positions.
2. Gross (large) adjustment truing is better than Minor (small) fine tuning during your first tunnel session. During your first session you'll likely find 2 or 3 significant changes that you'll have to remember to "hold" or work your way into. Subsequent sessions will provide a better foundation for small changes.

During the session:
- We'll start with calibration and baseline run to establish our starting point.
- Begin tweaking and evaluating.

For my first session I wanted to optimize my frontal position and then evaluate 2 skin suits and 3 helmets, so my flow was:
- Baseline run
- Adjustment round 1 (saddle up, extensions out, focus on head position)
- Run
- Adjustment round 2 (more coaching on head and shoulder position, arm pads in)
- Run
- Adjustment round 3 (more coaching on head and should position, extensions out and down)
- Run
- Adjustment round 4 (more finer tweaks)
- Run
- Adjustment rounds 5 and 6 and runs (Nike Swift Suit versus Castelli Body Paint)
- Runs
- Adjustment rounds 7 though 9 (3 helmets) - Note, this was insightful, because for my position not all helmets performed the same.

Clear as mud?

Carl :)
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer

(This post was edited by hoeferland on Feb 26, 12 7:41)


hoeferland

Feb 28, 12 15:31

Post #9 of 24 (3016 views)
Re: 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [hoeferland] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
I've replied to all of the recent PM's and questions. Still 7 open slots to fill for April!!!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Mar 1, 12 13:12

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Bump for interest.
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Mar 3, 12 6:45

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Only four slots left for April!!!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Mar 5, 12 8:35

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Re: 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [hoeferland] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
I've updated the posting...we only have 4 openings left!!!

Also, several folks have asked whether or not you'll...

1. Be able to make adjustments during the session? Yes, you'll be able to make adjustments during the session.
2. Will consulting be offered to help recommend changes? Yes, Len will be providing consulting throughout the session to provide insight into the best changes for your body type, flexibility, equipment, etc.
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Mar 10, 12 8:14

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Only 3 slots left for April!!! Get them why you can!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Mar 10, 12 12:04

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Now only 2 slots left!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Mar 13, 12 10:07

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All slots are full for the April session. You can begin to reserve September, which may be extended to two days.
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


TH3_FRB

Apr 10, 12 12:12

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$650/rider and each individual gets ~2hrs of tunnel time?
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hoeferland

Jul 27, 12 8:14

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Re: Updated! 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [hoeferland] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Hi all,

Slots are open for our upcoming September session. Don't wait, because they fill quickly!!!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


DamonHenry

Jul 27, 12 10:07

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Re: Updated! 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [hoeferland] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
What again is the date?


hoeferland

Jul 27, 12 11:10

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The dates are Friday 9/7 and Saturday 9/8.
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


DamonHenry

Jul 27, 12 15:21

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Re: Updated! 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [hoeferland] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Once a given setup is being tested, how much time is required to test the yaw sweep for that given setup?


hoeferland

Jul 30, 12 8:33

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Re: Updated! 2012 University of Washington Wind Tunnel Sessions [DamonHenry] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
That would probably depend on your objectives as well as number of measures, and at what wind speed, for each yaw angle. I think the pedestal can be move remotely during a run, so let's assume 9 total angles (-20, -15, -10, -5, 0, 5, 10, 15, 20) and 3 runs each angle (26, 28, and 30 mph)...that would probably be around 20 minutes. Maybe a bit more.
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Aug 16, 12 11:41

Post #22 of 24 (1389 views)
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Hi all, slots are filling fast, so if you want to go let me know soon!!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Aug 20, 12 11:13

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A quick bump,

We likely have 3 slots left and I'd love to fill them. Step all offseason getting ready in your new aero postion and blow away your competition during your first race of the year!!!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer


hoeferland

Aug 23, 12 15:16

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Looks like we have 2 slots left...let me know if you're interested!!!
Carl Hoefer - Cycling Geek
LinkedIn Profile - http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlhoefer

   
 
 
 
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