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Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 14:48

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Got the Garmin 910xt. Had no problems except the instant pace is horrible. Did the software update and now worse. Garmin said to just sit tight. Bummer but still trying to believe in the product. The 305 in my opinion is still their best and most reliable product.


chrisesposito

Feb 24, 12 14:49

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

thanks for the heads up; I'll avoid updating mine for now.


avikoren1

Feb 24, 12 16:07

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

We have been sitting tight. First for the product release. Then for the fake sw upgrade and now for hopefully the correct sw update. Loosing confidence and patience w garmin.


Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 16:13

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [avikoren1] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Yeah. I typically am a Garmin lover but I am frustrated by this as well. I just yanked my 305 off ebay as I will use it for runs for now since I am someone who does care a lot about current pace. I will use the 910xt for swims but its one hell of an expensive swim watch.


kyle_s

Feb 24, 12 16:20

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Biertuempfel wrote:
Got the Garmin 910xt. Had no problems except the instant pace is horrible. Did the software update and now worse. Garmin said to just sit tight. Bummer but still trying to believe in the product. The 305 in my opinion is still their best and most reliable product.

What is worse about it exactly? I just updated but havent used it again yet

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dcrainmaker

Feb 24, 12 16:24

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Biertuempfel wrote:
Yeah. I typically am a Garmin lover but I am frustrated by this as well. I just yanked my 305 off ebay as I will use it for runs for now since I am someone who does care a lot about current pace. I will use the 910xt for swims but its one hell of an expensive swim watch.

Did you double check on the watch that the firmware actually updated? Meaning, what version on the watch does it show?


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BreadPudding

Feb 24, 12 16:25

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

What's now worse? I used it 3 times for today and yesterday for workouts.


(This post was edited by hcshao on Feb 24, 12 16:26)


Y-Tri

Feb 24, 12 16:41

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

So ..................... what's worse?
I heard the update made things better.
Not so?
-YT


Kenney

Feb 24, 12 16:49

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Curious. I do not understand the importance of current pace being an issue. Not flamin at all. If the current pace was absolutly spot on, would you be constantly changing your effort if it was changing lets say between 5 seconds? Is it something you use to change your effort with? Or is it you just like to know all the time, more than knowing what your exact pace for the last .10 mile was?
Thanks, i is really important for some so I am curious. For me, if my pace is that important I just look at splits, however small they may be, but I would not be changing my effort for any pace with in a tenth of a mile, Think that woud screw with my head to much.....Thanks


Kenney

Feb 24, 12 16:50

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [dcrainmaker] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Where does it say? did not see it when I first turned on, thanks


dcrainmaker

Feb 24, 12 16:52

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Kenney] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Kenney wrote:
Where does it say? did not see it when I first turned on, thanks

Under Settings > then About Forerunner. May be called system within that.

Either way, you're looking for this screen:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/...%25255B11%25255D.jpg


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Kenney

Feb 24, 12 16:56

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [dcrainmaker] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks


waupaca11

Feb 24, 12 17:29

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I just received mine yesterday, applied the update before my first workout and used it for a run today, works like a charm, though the TGT was a bit more intuitive.


Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 17:30

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [dcrainmaker] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

2.40


Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 17:35

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Kenney] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

It is important to me. Currently it bounces around all over the place. I can tell by pace if I am going to blow up. Perhaps I am too anal about numbers but I'm not sure the other info is really that important compared to current pace. The other stuff is just for analysis post run. In a 5k race, it is really easy to get the adrenaline going and go out way too fast. With instant pace, I can typically race better by going out slower and then pushing later. I am a creature of habit and like 1 mile splits and current pace. I don't want to have to monkey around with shorter splits so the watch can be helpful-this is a complete waste of time for me.


Kenney

Feb 24, 12 17:38

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks. I was just curious......It would drive me nuts. Obviously because of complaints it is very important for a lot of people. Thanks again


Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 17:40

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Kenney] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Yeah, maybe it shouldn't be that important to me...I'm not the greatest athlete and have a lot to learn so am open to suggestions....Thanks


Kenney

Feb 24, 12 17:48

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

For me, and I repeat only for me. Think most would not do what I do. But I go by effort and look at pace just as a guage. So in a 5k I would not even look till a mile in, then I would be happy or sad from my time, but if my effort is where it is supposed to be and hr, I let pace fall where it may. On my bike for a race I never have mph on the screen. Just hr time and distance.
I imagine for most having that instant pace to adjust for your goals is a great tool. I was just curious so that is why I asked. So thanks again.


Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 17:51

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Kenney] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Makes sense if you have good self awareness of effort. I'm not sure I am there yet and maybe using the watch as a crutch for this is hindering this awareness. As I am upping my run mileage lately, I am running more by HR trying to keep 155 or below so I have a lower likelihood of injury as mileage increases. Thanks for your perspective.


JoeO

Feb 24, 12 17:54

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Biertuempfel wrote:
It is important to me. Currently it bounces around all over the place. I can tell by pace if I am going to blow up. Perhaps I am too anal about numbers but I'm not sure the other info is really that important compared to current pace. The other stuff is just for analysis post run. In a 5k race, it is really easy to get the adrenaline going and go out way too fast. With instant pace, I can typically race better by going out slower and then pushing later. I am a creature of habit and like 1 mile splits and current pace. I don't want to have to monkey around with shorter splits so the watch can be helpful-this is a complete waste of time for me.

I don't want to dissuade you or anyone else from using the features you like. But I think that in the long term, you will be a better runner (particuarly a better racer) if you learn how to pace yourself without the instantaneous pace feature. It is, in a sense, a crutch

Don't get me wrong, I use the Garmin per-mile splits myself in some races. One could say that they are just a less-frequent crutch. So in that sense, I'm a hypocrite. But I also had 25 years of racing in me before I ever even put on a Garmin. I had enough 5ks where I went out like gangbusters so I was forced to learn how to pace myself, even with all the adrenaline flowing, even without a GPS telling me how fast I'm going right then.. If I had had that watch back when I started, I don't think I ever would have learned. Having a less frequent update forces you to pay much closer attention to how you are feeling, because you aren't going to be able to get that confirmation number for another mile. That's a really good thing for your racing.


JoeO

Feb 24, 12 17:55

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...and now I see Kenney basically said the same thing while I was typing all that...


Burnt Toast

Feb 24, 12 17:56

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Biertuempfel wrote:
Yeah, maybe it shouldn't be that important to me...I'm not the greatest athlete and have a lot to learn so am open to suggestions....Thanks

Learn to stop looking at your watch so much and run by feel. Do you ever see any elite runners looking at the instant pace from their watch?

Most will only have a watch that they have to manual hit the lap button at a mile marker to see how fast or slow they were in the last mile, and compare that to the effort they were putting into that mile. Some days you just don't have "it" and should not try to stay at the pace that you had planned.


Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 17:56

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [JoeO] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Good points and I agree.


Kenney

Feb 24, 12 17:57

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Biertuempfel] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Well I am in my fifties. By this time a great advantage is that your body automaticlly seems to know what effort for the distance. To many times I changed my effort for time goals and screwed up. Again, that is just me though. For an IM for the bike I will just have hr and distance on my computer and am either pleaently surprised of disappointed at mile 56. First time I will look at time.
I do not think you are using the watch as a crutch. You are using the tool correctly. There was nothing for me to use years ago for current pace, so I learned with different tools, that all.


Biertuempfel

Feb 24, 12 18:03

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Re: Garmin 910xt-software update, now worse [Kenney] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I think to be fair, it depends on the distance of the race. As noted, in my longer distance training lately, I am going by HR. I am concerned that in a 5k race, you can adjust too late by waiting for a mile to check pacing. An example is a local race where I followed a tall guy in a Fleet Feet Racing singlet as he could "part the seas" . I usually run 7 min miles for a 5k. I looked up at mile 1 and ran a 5:25. By then, it was too late. My friends ran by me at 1.4 miles and could see I was done. Good lesson learned and not the end of the world. Part of the fun is learning. I would like to do longer races as I have been doing some training rides with a friend training for IM Couer d Alene. He has a very good coach. We rode 50 miles and he had to keep in a certain zone. It was great. We then ran 4 miles off the bike and I didn't even feel like I had worked out. Thanks for the input. I'm trying to get better at this and have a long ways to go.....

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