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damon_rinard
Jun 29, 11 7:58
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Tom A. wrote:
grosso27 wrote:
According to Wired.com, the FM70 embargo lifts tomorrow...
http://www.wired.com/...-the-tour-de-france/
Isn't that Damon Rinard giving the fireman's carry to the "Zabriskie dummy" in that pic?
DZ gets heavy after days of testing at the wind tunnel. (Even though he's made of foam!)
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Jun 29, 11 8:02
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DZ gets heavy after days of testing at the wind tunnel. (Even though he's made of foam!)
The secret is out. Now I know why and how Damon, despite a crazy work/travel schedule, with I am sure little time to actually ride, is able to come out to our club time-trials and road races and and keeps us all honest! Squats with DZ on his back!
Well done my friend!
And nice work with the S5.
Best wishes at the Tour de France!
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Jun 29, 11 8:05
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythrdCsOFJU
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Another IM in 2014 - hopefully..
damon_rinard
Jun 29, 11 8:09
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Tom Demerly wrote:
Here are my questions:
1. How do we integrate this design for the customer in the product mix with the airfoil shaped bikes (P2, P3, P4)?
2. Does this validate previous/current design claims about truncated airfoils?
3. What is its performance across a broad range of wind yaw angles?
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aerodynamics?
5. From a marketing/sales perspective- does this bike bridge the gap between the ride/stiffness category "R" series bikes and the aero-performance "S" series bikes?
6. Will this design theme migrate into future "P" series bikes?
7. Who's the customer?
I'm excited about learning those things...
Great questions Tom! And very clearly laid out for answers:
1. The S5 is a road bike with road geometry, so fit alone makes it hard to compare to the P-series. I would suggest very few customers would struggle to decide between them.
2. No. Where there is a trailing element (down tube at bottle, seat stays at brake caliper, seat tube cutout at rear wheel) an interrupted foil makes perfect sense. Elsewhere on the S5 (head tube, upper half of the down tube, seat tube) the trailing edge is that of a full airfoil for best performance.
3. Lower drag than S3 at all yaw angles (see wind tunnel data in the white paper).
4. (a) For speed, aero is the primary benefit. Saving 9 to 30 Watts over other road bikes is huge. ;-) (b) For riding pleasure, aero is the primary benefit. I'm just so much more happy and comfortable saving 9-30 Watts over the guys I ride with.
5. No. The S5 is an S-series Cervelo. The R-series is still a touch lighter and stiffer.
6. Yes. At Cervelo we apply to every project all the engineering know how that makes sense.
7. Everyone who rides a road bike is the customer. There has always been a large percentage of riders who don't think they deserve an aero road bike. The S5 helps them perform better and have more fun too.
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damon_rinard
Jun 29, 11 8:14
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It's the FK 26 fork on the P4. Great fork and VERY aero
Correct, except technically the P4 fork is named FK25. It has a slight nose cone (behind the brake) to match the P4 aero head tube.
FK26 is the very next design (FK26 follows FK25), and is identically shaped (so very low drag), with the only difference being the top of FK26's crown is shaped to better match to the round head tubes of the P3 and S5.
Both FK25 and FK26 forks are laterally stiffer than the forks that come on the S3 and S2.
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Jun 29, 11 8:21
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Re: Cervelo: Big News Coming Soon [damon_rinard]
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damon_rinard wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
grosso27 wrote:
According to Wired.com, the FM70 embargo lifts tomorrow...
http://www.wired.com/...-the-tour-de-france/
Isn't that Damon Rinard giving the fireman's carry to the "Zabriskie dummy" in that pic?
DZ gets heavy after days of testing at the wind tunnel. (Even though he's made of foam!)
The banter with the real DZ and Phil in the video is classic..."Foam Dave is more
stable
and easier to work with..." Ha! I loved the look Dave gave Phil when he said "more stable" and then added "physically"...
http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/
damon_rinard
Jun 29, 11 8:44
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Re: Cervelo: Big News Coming Soon [Tom A.]
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Tom A. wrote:
damon_rinard wrote:
Tom A. wrote:
grosso27 wrote:
According to Wired.com, the FM70 embargo lifts tomorrow...
http://www.wired.com/...-the-tour-de-france/
Isn't that Damon Rinard giving the fireman's carry to the "Zabriskie dummy" in that pic?
DZ gets heavy after days of testing at the wind tunnel. (Even though he's made of foam!)
The banter with the real DZ and Phil in the video is classic..."Foam Dave is more
stable
and easier to work with..." Ha! I loved the look Dave gave Phil when he said "more stable" and then added "physically"...
Yeah, the real DZ's a laugh a minute!
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Landyachtz
Jun 29, 11 10:09
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Re: Cervelo: Big News Coming Soon [gerard]
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gerard wrote:
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According to Wired.com, the FM70 embargo lifts tomorrow...
http://www.wired.com/...-the-tour-de-france/
It saddens me that Cervelo would give the first exclusive peak (though we've all seen the bike) and test ride to a publication that has to tell it's readers to google Paris-Roubaix.
The other way to look at it would be that this does not affect the coverage this bike and therefore cycling gets in the cycling magazines, but it will increase the coverage for cycling in a non-cycling magazine. So in total, it means more exposure for our sport (if it wasn't the S5 in Wired, they would have highlighted some Wifi toaster or Facebook enabled running shoe, not another bike)
Wow, I didn't expect this to elicit a response from Gerard himself. I was really only being half serious. Really it's sad that more people outside of cycling don't know what Paris-Roubaix is, not so much that the S5 is being featured in Wired. That's actually pretty cool. But I kinda want to see that Facebook enabled running shoe. Maybe you guys should add that for the S6!
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Jun 29, 11 10:54
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Really it's sad that more people outside of cycling don't know what Paris-Roubaix is, not so much that the S5 is being featured in Wired.
Really? Outside of cyclists who gives a shit about some race? Without using Google do you know where the championship is held for Pesäpallo or how about Kolven? Right, you don't, so why should the rest of the world give a rat's ass about your favourite sport.
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TheDC wrote:
Landyachtz wrote:
Really it's sad that more people outside of cycling don't know what Paris-Roubaix is, not so much that the S5 is being featured in Wired.
Really? Outside of cyclists who gives a shit about some race? Without using Google do you know where the championship is held for Pesäpallo or how about Kolven? Right, you don't, so why should the rest of the world give a rat's ass about your favourite sport.
Wow, did I somehow deeply offend you? That was completely uncalled for.
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Jun 29, 11 11:02
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Pros and Cat5 dentists.
I'm neither, and I would buy one!
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Landyachtz wrote:
TheDC wrote:
Landyachtz wrote:
Really it's sad that more people outside of cycling don't know what Paris-Roubaix is, not so much that the S5 is being featured in Wired.
Really? Outside of cyclists who gives a shit about some race? Without using Google do you know where the championship is held for Pesäpallo or how about Kolven? Right, you don't, so why should the rest of the world give a rat's ass about your favourite sport.
Wow, did I somehow deeply offend you? That was completely uncalled for.
No, sorry, probably came off a little too harsh. I apologize.
But sometimes it really grates me how triathletes and ST members in particular think their sport is the centre of the universe.
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TheDC wrote:
Landyachtz wrote:
TheDC wrote:
Landyachtz wrote:
Really it's sad that more people outside of cycling don't know what Paris-Roubaix is, not so much that the S5 is being featured in Wired.
Really? Outside of cyclists who gives a shit about some race? Without using Google do you know where the championship is held for Pesäpallo or how about Kolven? Right, you don't, so why should the rest of the world give a rat's ass about your favourite sport.
Wow, did I somehow deeply offend you? That was completely uncalled for.
No, sorry, probably came off a little too harsh. I apologize.
But sometimes it really grates me how triathletes and ST members in particular think their sport is the centre of the universe.
Believe me, I know cycling is a foreign sport to most of America. It just sucks that all they see is the Tour de France, because there are many (IMO) more entertaining races. I know that's not going to change anytime soon. All I was saying was that it's a sad commentary on the state of cycling in America that most people don't know the name of the biggest single day race in cycling. Maybe that will change when Phinney wins it a few times ;)
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you're obviously in the wrong profession!
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Jun 29, 11 11:36
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When I worked at Litespeed, we got stuff featured in Wired, Rollling Stone, Outside, Men's Journal and Playboy etc and it pretty much never got us any noticeable traction.
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Jun 29, 11 11:47
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Very exciting bike-though I just bought an S3!
Why/how is it that the S5 is less expensive than the S3?
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Jun 29, 11 11:50
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Landyachtz wrote:
But I kinda want to see that Facebook enabled running shoe. Maybe you guys should add that for the S6!
It will be made if enough people "Like" it.
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Will there be a seat post for steeper seat tube angle? Say closer to 78 degrees?
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If you look at some of the photos, you can tell it has a Cervelo two-position style seatpost, complete with the Cervelo mint.
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according to the geometry
http://s5.cervelo.com/...es/2011/s5/geometry/
, it is 73 degrees at the forward position. Maybe I'm wrong.
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The really interesting thing from an industry perspective is the change in Cervelo's model structuring.
Traditionally, Cervelo has had single "models" and differentiated by parts kit. The S5 appears to be in line with what most manufacturers do, adjust model price by carbon layup and quality.
I'm curious to see what the 2012 line up holds. Because it seems to me that things will have to change, because the S2, S3, S5 pricing and structure right now doesn't make as much sense.
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joesmith wrote:
Will there be a seat post for steeper seat tube angle? Say closer to 78 degrees?
Not planned at the moment, sorry Joe. The S5 is designed as a pure road bike.
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joesmith wrote:
according to the geometry
http://s5.cervelo.com/...es/2011/s5/geometry/
, it is 73 degrees at the forward position. Maybe I'm wrong.
You got it: the front position is zero offset right on 73 degrees.
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