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cam2win
Mar 25, 11 14:07
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Well said!
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Mar 25, 11 14:15
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Please explain all these comments about the heat? Then, you have admiited that on little training he ran faster than JaJa, in a stand alone, yet you say he cannot run faster in the IM marathon. Which one is it? If with little training and he runs a 2:46, how can you say he does not have the ability for his muscles to adapt drop ten minutes. Dude, if you reread half your posts, you certainly can't believe yourself.
PeacefulWarrior
Mar 25, 11 14:30
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Well, we WERE talking about guys who already WERE professionals, so obviously they have talent or they wouldn't be Pro's. As for genetics, Again, they ARE professionals, so I am assuming they have pretty good genetics and decent athletes if we are sitting here talking about them, correct?
I am not really concerned with all the negative comments here. I got in to the sport of triathlon as an athlete late in the game. I just retired from the military last year and finally decided to start racing now that I don't have to deal with deployments, rifle ranges, demoltion ranges, Field problems, taking care of soldiers, etc......One thing I learned during all military training, schools, and deployments is that your mind is the only thing that limits what you can do.
I am 5'8 and 150 pounds and 39 years old. I have always been a good athlete. I have always stayed in shape and never halfassed anything. You get back what you put in to anything. And I never said I would win Kona. That is not my goal. My goal is to simply qualify for Kona. It will more than likely be 2012. I had ACL/MCL surgery due to an AK47 round going through my knee, but I get stronger, faster, and more endurance every week.
All I am saying, is don't sell yourself short and don't be afraid to work/train a little harder. If that is a bad thing, then flame on! I don't care.
Ultra-tri-guy
Mar 25, 11 15:01
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My take on Lance competing in Kona (if he actually turns up) is that he is on a no lose situation and the only ones who could look silly in the mainstream media and with the non-triathlon community are the triathlon pros.If Lance does have a good swim and were to ride away from the field then really,who gives a shit what happens in the run?We would, but the rest of the planet really won't care.
The media will praise him and build up his finish as an amazing achievement for an old guy who isn't an Ironman triathlete.The general population will,as usual,listen to the news networks and think Lance is even more of a lagend than he already is.
I can here the sportcasters now "LANCE ARMSTRONG FINISHES IRONMAN HAWAII IN 10TH PACE,oh and by the way some other guy won it".
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Miguelon
Mar 25, 11 15:05
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BINGO
pml wrote:
Despite over 300 posts, I am actually surprised there has been little, if any, mention of the psychological influence Lance's presence may play on the top pro triathletes. Since there will be very little basis to predict what LA will actually be able to run, doesn't anyone think his appearance at the event might cause other pros to push a little harder on the bike (which, presumably, will cause them to run a little slower in the marathon) for fear that they may not be able to catch LA on the run--whether or not that is actually true.
I know, in theory, you race your own race, but still, if you want to win, you can't let the race get away from you.
PeacefulWarrior
Mar 25, 11 15:09
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That is exactly what would happen if he came in 10th or whatever. If he won or podium'd, it would get more mainstream media here in the US than all 7 TDF titles put together. :-)
brentl
Mar 25, 11 22:16
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you really need to pull your head out of your arse.
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Mar 25, 11 22:41
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You must have thought long and hard to come up with all of that. ;-)
crwnikeboy
Mar 26, 11 5:50
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Don't know what you're smoking. I don't even think Lance Armstrong would win his age group, much less a top 10 or 5 amongst the pros. He's not the Lance of 5, 10 or 15 years ago. Put your money where your mouth is. He wouldn't be a threat in Hawaii.
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There's NO WAY Lance can run a 2:50 - 3:00 marathon after swimming 2.4 miles and riding 112 miles. Get real. His PR in an open marathon is 2:46:43. Lance is not a triathlete anymore people. That was 20+ years ago.
Two things:
1. He ran those marathons including the 2:46 off of minimal training - Armstrong admitted that himself. Longest run 16 miles and most weeks about 20 miles of running in total! If he got a 2:46 out of that, he has more potential. As an aside this is not fast running. Rec runners and triathletes today think you are some kind of running-God if you can run under three hours in a stand-alone marathon. That's 7 min/mile pace - not terribly fast at all.
2. You as many do are making the mistake of comparing stand-alone marathons with the marathon run in an IM and thinking they are the same. They are not. About the only similarity is that they are both 26.2 miles long. The add-on time for someone who can run a 2:40's stand-alone marathon to an IM marathon run leg is about 20 minutes. So assuming Armstrong can go 2:40 for the stand-alone, which if he took it at all seriously he is capable of, that get's you to 3:00 for the run leg of an IM and as I said that's Sindballe and Lieto run territory ( which has got each of them top-5's) and if Armstrong can lay down a low 50's swim and a 4:20'ish bike, he's fully capable of a top 10 perhaps even top 5 or better finish at IMH.
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Mar 26, 11 6:00
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True that.
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Mar 26, 11 6:59
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Don't know what you're smoking. I don't even think Lance Armstrong would win his age group, much less a top 10 or 5 amongst the pros. He's not the Lance of 5, 10 or 15 years ago. Put your money where your mouth is. He wouldn't be a threat in Hawaii.
I always start my comment strings on this subject, as I have here again with two key words,
"on paper" -
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On paper
, Armstrong has the capability of finishing in the top-10, based on what
on paper
he is capable of, (and here the only real mystery from what I can see is the run) and what the field of top Pro men has been doing the last number of years. If the swim workouts that he has been doing are true then he will swim sub 55 and I highly doubt he'll ride over 4:30( with typical or average conditions) - that puts him off the bike at 5:25. A 3:00 run, which I think is best case scenario for him puts him in at 8:25. Which, again if you check times from the last number of years will get him a spot in the top 10 - so no, not a threat to win! If he really fades on the run, and goes, say, 3:30 something, he's still flirting with 9:00, which will win him the 40+ AG handily( but only if he actually races/starts as an AG'er - which I doubt). Of course, if this happens, he will, with certainty, get chicked!!
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Mar 26, 11 10:16
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Fleck, please stop it with the common sense reasoning...
BTW, what is this topic doing on the second page?
Mark M
Mar 26, 11 10:36
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Well said Steve.
Now, how about we really take this thread out for a spin? Lance or Dave...who finishes first? :)
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Mar 26, 11 10:58
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SpeedRacer1 wrote:
If they all worked equally as hard, we would never have a winner. Obviously someone ALWAYS works just a little bit harder. That person is the overall winner. That is in any sport whether it be an individual or a team. That extra work put it in is what determines the Champion/Champions.
You know... I was thinking yesterday as well of another "athlete" with incredibly hard work ethic... In fact he was regarded as one of the "hardest" workers in his sport.
He was later accused of steroid use, even by his "best friend" and is currently battling potential lying to congress charges.
Roger Clemens anyone... Turn around? steroids? Nahhhh... We've never seen or heard anything like this before
Rappstar
Mar 26, 11 11:24
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Just wanted to say that I'm thoroughly impressed with the determination and hard work displayed in this thread. Keep up the good fight everyone...
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Mar 26, 11 11:26
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Fleck wrote:
( but only if he actually races/starts as an AG'er - which I doubt)
I don't see it happening because, I don't see them wanting a couple thousand type A age groupers trying to beat lance and want to swim over top of him in the process.
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Just wanted to say that I'm thoroughly impressed with the determination and hard work displayed in this thread. Keep up the good fight everyone...
Jordan,
It's an interesting thread to be sure. Says and tells a lot about people!
You however, may have one of the rarest and unique opportunities of all . . . to actually race head to head with Lance Armstrong out on the Ironman Hawaii course, somewhere. Be honest, with us, that thought must have crossed your mind at some point? When you pass Lance or he passes you, if this does come to pass, what will you say? This could be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Just you and LA, away from the security, the hangers-on, the media/press etc . . . alone on the Queen K. You can't mess it up!
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Fleck wrote:
When you pass Lance or he passes you, if this does come to pass, what will you say?
This could be a whole thread in itself!
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Fleck wrote:
Just wanted to say that I'm thoroughly impressed with the determination and hard work displayed in this thread. Keep up the good fight everyone...
Jordan,
It's an interesting thread to be sure. Says and tells a lot about people!
You however, may have one of the rarest and unique opportunities of all . . . to actually race head to head with Lance Armstrong out on the Ironman Hawaii course, somewhere. Be honest, with us, that thought must have crossed your mind at some point? When you pass Lance or he passes you, if this does come to pass, what will you say? This could be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Just you and LA, away from the security, the hangers-on, the media/press etc . . . alone on the Queen K. You can't mess it up!
"Does having one nut affect your fisted position"
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Fleck wrote:
Just wanted to say that I'm thoroughly impressed with the determination and hard work displayed in this thread. Keep up the good fight everyone...
Jordan,
It's an interesting thread to be sure. Says and tells a lot about people!
You however, may have one of the rarest and unique opportunities of all . . . to actually race head to head with Lance Armstrong out on the Ironman Hawaii course, somewhere. Be honest, with us, that thought must have crossed your mind at some point? When you pass Lance or he passes you, if this does come to pass, what will you say? This could be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Just you and LA, away from the security, the hangers-on, the media/press etc . . . alone on the Queen K. You can't mess it up!
If Lance races Kona in a year that I also race Kona, and he races as a pro, I'll let Slowtwitch vote on what I should say to him if I have the opportunity to say something to him on the bike.
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If Lance races Kona in a year that I also race Kona, and he races as a pro, I'll let Slowtwitch vote on what I should say to him if I have the opportunity to say something to him on the bike.
Can we vote on what you'll say to him on the run, too?
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Mar 26, 11 15:55
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c.dan.jog wrote:
If Lance races Kona in a year that I also race Kona, and he races as a pro, I'll let Slowtwitch vote on what I should say to him if I have the opportunity to say something to him on the bike.
Can we vote on what you'll say to him on the run, too?
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Rappstar wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Just wanted to say that I'm thoroughly impressed with the determination and hard work displayed in this thread. Keep up the good fight everyone...
Jordan,
It's an interesting thread to be sure. Says and tells a lot about people!
You however, may have one of the rarest and unique opportunities of all . . . to actually race head to head with Lance Armstrong out on the Ironman Hawaii course, somewhere. Be honest, with us, that thought must have crossed your mind at some point? When you pass Lance or he passes you, if this does come to pass, what will you say? This could be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Just you and LA, away from the security, the hangers-on, the media/press etc . . . alone on the Queen K. You can't mess it up!
If Lance races Kona in a year that I also race Kona, and he races as a pro, I'll let Slowtwitch vote on what I should say to him if I have the opportunity to say something to him on the bike.
Jordan Rapp
: Could I get a bottle of water. - - Hey, aren't you Lance Armstrong?
Lance Armstrong
: Jordan Rapp!
Jordan Rapp
: Yeah, that's me. But I'm a big fan of yours.
Lance Armstrong
: Really?
Jordan Rapp
: Yeah, I've been watching those Tour de France races on the Ocho. ESPN 8. I just can't get enough of it. But, good luck in the Ironman. I'm really pulling for you against those jerks from Globo Triathlon. I think you better hurry up or you're gonna not finish.
Lance Armstrong
: Uh, actually I decided to quit... Jordan.
Jordan Rapp
: Quit? You know, once I was thinking about quitting when I was run over by a car and left for dead. But with the love and support of my friends and family, I got back on the bike and I won some races. But I'm sure you have a good reason to quit. So what are you dying from that's keeping you from finishing the run?
Lance Armstrong
: Right now it feels a little bit like... shame.
Jordan Rapp
: Well, I guess if a person never quit when the going got tough, they wouldn't have anything to regret for the rest of their life. But good luck to you Lance. I'm sure this decision won't haunt you forever.
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Whatever you think about his racing, he is a pretty cool dude. This is from one of my fraternity brothers. He's been a big Livestrong guy for a long long time.
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GMAN 19030 wrote:
Rappstar wrote:
Fleck wrote:
Just wanted to say that I'm thoroughly impressed with the determination and hard work displayed in this thread. Keep up the good fight everyone...
Jordan,
It's an interesting thread to be sure. Says and tells a lot about people!
You however, may have one of the rarest and unique opportunities of all . . . to actually race head to head with Lance Armstrong out on the Ironman Hawaii course, somewhere. Be honest, with us, that thought must have crossed your mind at some point? When you pass Lance or he passes you, if this does come to pass, what will you say? This could be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. Just you and LA, away from the security, the hangers-on, the media/press etc . . . alone on the Queen K. You can't mess it up!
If Lance races Kona in a year that I also race Kona, and he races as a pro, I'll let Slowtwitch vote on what I should say to him if I have the opportunity to say something to him on the bike.
Jordan Rapp
: Could I get a bottle of water. - - Hey, aren't you Lance Armstrong?
Lance Armstrong
: Jordan Rapp!
Jordan Rapp
: Yeah, that's me. But I'm a big fan of yours.
Lance Armstrong
: Really?
Jordan Rapp
: Yeah, I've been watching those Tour de France races on the Ocho. ESPN 8. I just can't get enough of it. But, good luck in the Ironman. I'm really pulling for you against those jerks from Globo Triathlon. I think you better hurry up or you're gonna not finish.
Lance Armstrong
: Uh, actually I decided to quit... Jordan.
Jordan Rapp
: Quit? You know, once I was thinking about quitting when I was run over by a car and left for dead. But with the love and support of my friends and family, I got back on the bike and I won some races. But I'm sure you have a good reason to quit. So what are you dying from that's keeping you from finishing the run?
Lance Armstrong
: Right now it feels a little bit like... shame.
Jordan Rapp
: Well, I guess if a person never quit when the going got tough, they wouldn't have anything to regret for the rest of their life. But good luck to you Lance. I'm sure this decision won't haunt you forever.
That wins in my book. Well played.
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