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vitus979

Sep 30, 04 10:21

Post #51 of 68 (598 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
I won't argue that security shouldn't be the primary concern, but you know what? I don't think that's why people support Bush. I think the people who are voting for Bush would vote for him no matter what. Think Art would be voting differently if 9/11 had never happened? I don't. Same goes for the Kerry voters.







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peter826

Sep 30, 04 10:23

Post #52 of 68 (597 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Who the dems put up is irrelevant. There are too many people who admit they don't like many of Bush's policies, know he isn't going to change, but will vote for him anyway. How exactly do you get through to someone like that?


slowguy

Sep 30, 04 10:25

Post #53 of 68 (596 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [peleke] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
"Switzerland and Sweden do a great job (they kick a couple of the top US labs' ass on a regular basis) "

And Switzerland and Sweden are both pretty secure. They have managed to become so through effective treaty organizations, neutrality, etc.. National Security isn't all about getting the biggest army, and not everyone has the resources to provide their own security, but the ones that have time to devote to cancer research (as just one example) have made provisions to have their friends provide that security for them. Who's going to do so for us in this hemisphere if not ourselves? Mexico?

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5280

Sep 30, 04 10:39

Post #54 of 68 (590 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Peter826] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
I disagree to an extent. I don't agree with all that Bush does but I support him because he has convictions and (although sometimes too much) I like that. I don't see that in Kerry. In the same way people don't like Bush and his personality I don't like Kerry. I think he is an egotistical, elitist, rich and snoby jerk.

The exact opposite of what you said is true too. There are too many people who admit they hate Bush and his policies, and who don't like Kerry either but will vote for anyone as long as it is a vote agains Bush.

In my opinion, the Dems need someone who can with two things. First someone who is likeable and down to earth - a common person or at least can come across that way. Kerry fails miserably here. Second, they need someone who will lay out their stance on the issues and hold to them, even when thing are tough. This doesn't mean to be like dems accuse Bush but to hold a stance for more than a week without changing sides.


Jar Jar

Sep 30, 04 11:15

Post #55 of 68 (580 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [5280] (Deleted by Jar Jar) [In reply to]
 


PeckerHead

Sep 30, 04 11:42

Post #56 of 68 (573 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
-- But I still throw it back at the Dems. Why can they not throw a good JFK Dem that could rule with a golden whip. The nation is primed for the leftist to take over but you guys keep falling over your own hate.

The times of great presidents are over...from now on modern media will always expose a candidate for what they are - HUMAN. You think any of the other candidates they put up wouldn't get ripped to shreds by the right and the media?

To win the presidency, one has to address the state-of-mind the country is in. It appears that too many people are too afraid to make a change now that the terror machine is rolling. Their plan worked to perfection.


Mr. Tibbs

Sep 30, 04 12:04

Post #57 of 68 (570 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [TTTorso] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
"It appears that too many people are too afraid to make a change now that the terror machine is rolling."

Yep.

" Their plan worked to perfection. "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Big conspiracy idiot are ya? Is this all being brought about by the Jewish Free Masons who run the Trilateral Commision to bring about the New World order? Go to prisonplanet.com and you will feel right at home.
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Mr. Tibbs

Sep 30, 04 12:11

Post #58 of 68 (566 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [vitus979] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
"I don't think that's why people support Bush. "



Of course it is. Heard about any soccer moms? No because now they are security moms. People want to be protected and Bush has a plan and is sticking to it. Is it a good plan? That's up to you but just the simple fact that is Kerry is a waffling moron who has made is mind, kinda, on national security too late.

If the Dems would throw a candidate who was strong on defense, promised to strengthen the borders, promised to keep fagots and lesbos from getting married because God hates those sub-humans, hand out drugs and medical care and promise that no one will get screwed buy the rich again they would run the congress, senate and presidency for decades.
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ajfranke

Sep 30, 04 12:12

Post #59 of 68 (566 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [vitus979] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Well actually I might very well vote differently if it weren't for 9/11 and terrorism. Without those issues, there would likely have been a challenge from the right in the Republican primaries, and I might very well have supported the challenger.

I admit to being a dyed in the wool Republican, but had the Democrats nominated Lieberman, I would have had a serious decision to make. They nominated Kerry, so that doesn't even constitute a choice by my reasoning.


Mr. Tibbs

Sep 30, 04 12:20

Post #60 of 68 (563 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [ajfranke] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Art is a great example of the mainstream Republican. The fact that Democrats allow their hatt for Bush to blind them from any real, thoughtful look at he weakness of the Republican party proves my point that the Democrats are about to have a civil war in the party.
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slowguy

Sep 30, 04 12:29

Post #61 of 68 (560 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [peleke] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
"My opinion is that if our government used the money it had wisely without pissing so much of it away you would have plenty of $ to do what you need to do and for our security as a nation but sadly that isn't the case. Here is an article that I just stumbled on today about the DOD travel system which was an attempt to save money (great intention) but has cost an extra $270 million than was anticipated. How much research could you do with $270 million:)"

That was the worst example you guys could possibly have come up with. What does a defective transportation system have to do with exagerating the security threats to draw attention away from domestic issues. The article specifically says the DoD had good intentions (to save money) but executed a bad plan. This doesn't have anything to do with some scheme to spend too much on defense at the expense of education or research. Waste like this occurs in every Dept. of the govt.

Slowguy

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PeckerHead

Sep 30, 04 14:27

Post #62 of 68 (553 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
-- HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Big conspiracy idiot are ya? Is this all being brought about by the Jewish Free Masons who run the Trilateral Commision to bring about the New World order? Go to prisonplanet.com and you will feel right at home.

Nice try Tibbs and I hate to disappoint you but I am not a big subscriber to conspiracies and I'd never heard of that site. I guess you are one step ahead of me on the conspiracy front.

The bottom line is the terrorists aimed to disrupt America and they have succeeded. The fact that terrorism and national security is by far the biggest issue in this election means their (the terrorists) plan worked. We have been distracted from the issues right here in our own country. As we travel the globe to defeat terrorists we are simultaneously falling apart at home. Depressing isn't it?


Mr. Tibbs

Sep 30, 04 14:42

Post #63 of 68 (545 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [TTTorso] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
"we are simultaneously falling apart at home"

Prove it.
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goobie

Sep 30, 04 14:47

Post #64 of 68 (544 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [5280] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Sorry, joining this late (us lab jockeys work sometimes).

To clarify, I think what I described as "national security" is really the non sequitur that takes people from 9/11 or Iraq as being a manifestation of protecting this nations security, and that being the paramount issue to be discussed in the election.

It's up there with Tony Blair refusing to apologise for taking Britain to war, but saying he would have done the same thing even if there had been no evidence of WMD. That's ll well and good Tone, but that's not the basis on which you went to war, and doubt you would have got permission for the jaunt if you had been a wee bit more honest.

Anyway, that's an aside. I agree that keeping the nation safe is a/THE primary goal, but I don't think it needs to be the primary topic of discussion when there is so much disinformation and spin floating around.
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PeckerHead

Sep 30, 04 15:04

Post #65 of 68 (539 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Health care, poverty, the national debt, and the environment have all worsened over the past 4 years, to name a few. I think we have to find a way to fight domestic issues and terrorism effectively and simultaneously.


ajfranke

Sep 30, 04 16:53

Post #66 of 68 (529 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [TTTorso] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
Just curious, what percentage of people in poverty in America do you think are obese, have cable TV and a cell phone?


PeckerHead

Sep 30, 04 17:05

Post #67 of 68 (525 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [ajfranke] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
-- Just curious, what percentage of people in poverty in America do you think are obese, have cable TV and a cell phone?

No idea Art. Enlighten me...


ajfranke

Sep 30, 04 19:52

Post #68 of 68 (521 views)
Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [TTTorso] [In reply to] Quote | Reply
I don't know, but I bet it is pretty high.

The point is that poverty statistics in America don't have a lot of meaning when viewed over a substantial period of time. Poverty in America is a walk in the park when viewed against historical standards. That is not to say we should be concerned for others, but saying that it has "increased" is not really saying much.

One big reason poverty in America is up is because of the large number of immigrants, most of whom start out there. If you want to diddle the poverty stats for a campaign sound bite, stop immigration. I don't think that is the answer.

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