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dmaurich

Apr 12, 12 17:58

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Have no fear, we locked up the location for the after party today... Same place as last year, Bo's Bar on University... Details to come soon, but help us by spreading the word!

For those of us who a) have no shot at winning and b) don't care, the after party is all we got...

I'm sure hoping ASU brings the two painted up guys who rode the tandem bike last year... They stole the show...

See ya'll in a week

Dave Aurich
VP Alabama Triathlon


ston_ar

Apr 12, 12 18:08

Post #77 of 124 (2377 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [dmaurich] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Sweet! Will make sure the word is spread. Looking forward to getting down there 6.5 days til departure


Chris Athey

Apr 12, 12 18:18

Post #78 of 124 (2367 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [dmaurich] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I'll ask Dan and Mike if they're going. I think they both graduated but asking never hurts. You're right they were the team spirit champions. This is something I'm still sore about considering CSU had it 5 years in a row...

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sevarg11

Apr 13, 12 13:56

Post #79 of 124 (2187 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [cjathey] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Dan and Patrick probably won't be there. Dan moved away from Phoenix and Patrick is probably not going to the race. Shame though, they were definitely the best part of last year's race.


Chris Athey

Apr 13, 12 14:27

Post #80 of 124 (2169 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [sevarg11] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I'm sorry about messing patrick's name. For some reason I had it in my head as mike. My apologies.

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Chris Athey

Apr 14, 12 19:35

Post #81 of 124 (2033 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [ston_ar] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

CU has 12 guys and 12 girls starting...how is this fair?

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Mike Ricci

Apr 14, 12 20:00

Post #82 of 124 (2024 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [ston_ar] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I love this thread! See everyone in a few days. Good luck to you and all your teammates.
Mike Ricci
Founder D3 Multisport
USAT Level 3 Elite Coach
Head Coach, University of CO Tri Team
4x National Champions 2010-2013


Chris Athey

Apr 14, 12 20:23

Post #83 of 124 (2009 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [Mike Ricci] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Mike,
How does the 12 male and female athletes you have starting work? Are they possibly all scored or are 5 just there in the "open division"? It seems like a significant advantage when compared to teams like westpoint and arizona whom have 7. If one of their guys/girls have a bad day game over really. But if all 12 of yours have the possibility to score one bad day really doesn't matter much.

Just confused after reading the USAT website regarding this matter.

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ston_ar

Apr 14, 12 20:24

Post #84 of 124 (2009 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [cjathey] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Other teams didn't take their spots, we're starting 8 guys. It's only the top couple I'm thinking about at all.


ston_ar

Apr 14, 12 20:26

Post #85 of 124 (2006 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [Mike Ricci] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Thanks. Looking forward to throwing down on Saturday.


Mike Ricci

Apr 14, 12 20:27

Post #86 of 124 (2004 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [cjathey] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

There were extra slots awarded to the MCTC. We are still only scoring top 4, which is the same as everyone else.
Mike Ricci
Founder D3 Multisport
USAT Level 3 Elite Coach
Head Coach, University of CO Tri Team
4x National Champions 2010-2013

(This post was edited by Mike Ricci on Apr 14, 12 20:27)


Chris Athey

Apr 14, 12 20:28

Post #87 of 124 (2001 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [Mike Ricci] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Right, but do all 12 have the possibility to score in that top 4?

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jonnytri5

Apr 15, 12 7:45

Post #88 of 124 (1916 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [ZackC.] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

ZackC. wrote:
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Stupid young kids...don't you know real triathlon doesn't start until the 35-39 AG? Before that anybody can win if you just show up and have a pulse. It pains me to see 20 year olds gloating about winning their AG with a 2:13 Oly.

I hope this was supposed to be in pink font.

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I bet that's what CollegIate Nationals is like too

Oh wait, you admit you don't have any idea what goes on at collegiate Nationals?

Allow me to enlighten you. Collegiate nationals is the most competitive of the USAT nationals events available to amateurs (I'm excluding the elite nationals in several disciplines because that's obviously not an amateur contest). I'm serious. Collegiate nationals is fast as hell. If you haven't been, you should look at the results. Tuscaloosa is not an easy course, yet times are consistently fast there. Collegiate Nationals doesn't have "Age Groups," and the athletes at the top don't give a shit about winning an age group. I am ~top 5-10% there, I'm 21 years old, and I haven't given a shit about winning an age group since I was 15. The top 10%, maybe even top 15% regularly contend for the overall win at most local triathlons, and the guys at the tippy top are professional-caliber athletes. I don't know how much (or where) you've raced that you've acquired an opinion that the under-34 age groups are soft or sparse, but you are very, very, very, very mistaken. It is a fast fucking race. Since older people so often get to make blanket statements about younger people, I'm going to allow myself to do the same: "You people" need to learn how to use google, or athlinks, or the USAT results page, and familiarize yourself with the results/history of a race before making grossly ignorant statements such as you have just done. I don't really mean it though--this is just directed at you.

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until the 35-39 AG? Before that anybody can win if you just show up and have a pulse.
That is close to being one of the most misguided things I've ever read on here. Just to illustrate, 6 of the top-10 at Age Group Nationals last year were college-age (<24 for the sake of the argument), and the entire podium was comprised of the same. Bragging about winning an age group is stupid anyway. In many cases, those people who are given the age group awards would not have won them had the people who received overall awards were not removed from the age-category results...Especially silly is bragging about winning your age group at age group sprint nationals--all of the fast people raced the oly distance race!! If you are an AG national champion in the sprint and your time x2 > the AG national champion in the Oly then you haven't won anything at all IMO.



I'm sure it must be really hard to find time to train between your naps and YouTube videos and maybe the occasional class. Man, "you young kids" don't realize how much time you have and how easy it really should be to be fast at your age. Talk to me when you're a real working adult.


ston_ar

Apr 15, 12 8:02

Post #89 of 124 (1897 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [jonnytri5] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

jonnytri5 wrote:
I'm sure it must be really hard to find time to train between your naps and YouTube videos and maybe the occasional class. Man, "you young kids" don't realize how much time you have and how easy it really should be to be fast at your age. Talk to me when you're a real working adult.

You forgot all the weed smoking and casual sex, because that's all us college kids do.


ZackCapets

Apr 15, 12 8:05

Post #90 of 124 (1893 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [jonnytri5] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Quit making excuses. I'm fast now, and I'll be fast next year after I have a real job. Why? I'm used to fitting in training in between all the work I've had to do to graduate Aerospace Engineering in 4 years while working and coaching...it will be easier with a real-world job, not harder. If you want to cling to your precious age group because you think life is tough and the playing field isn't level, that is fine by me. Just don't be surprised when you see me looking down from the overall podium not giving a shit...


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James Haycraft

Apr 15, 12 8:06

Post #91 of 124 (1903 views)
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You know, if he's making a sweeping generalization of ALL college students using the ENTIRE collegiate population as context then he's probably right.
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iank

Apr 15, 12 8:32

Post #92 of 124 (1884 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [ZackC.] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

ZackC. wrote:
Quit making excuses. I'm fast now, and I'll be fast next year after I have a real job. Why? I'm used to fitting in training in between all the work I've had to do to graduate Aerospace Engineering in 4 years while working and coaching...it will be easier with a real-world job, not harder. If you want to cling to your precious age group because you think life is tough and the playing field isn't level, that is fine by me. Just don't be surprised when you see me looking down from the overall podium not giving a shit...


We all race the same race, nobody cares how you got there. Pros seem to understand this mentality, but hardly any age groupers do..

x2 except aerospace engineering would make me most likely cry just thinking about it. While technically I don't have a separate job, there are those who consider my school to be a job in and of itself because there are specific things I have to do that are not schoolwork or even the operations of my tri team. I once heard it referred to as "a $290,000 federal work-study program" rather than "free."
If this guy wants to think us collegiates have all kinds of free-flexible time, I'm thinking he probably didn't do anything remotely athletic in college and is bitter about it. It's either that, or he's been doing this for quite a while, has invested lots of time and money, and is bitter about people our age passing him on steel road bikes with clip-ons and toe cages in their first triathlon, even though that never happens according to him.



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wthecoyote

Apr 15, 12 12:40

Post #93 of 124 (1796 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [James Haycraft] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

James Haycraft wrote:
You know, if he's making a sweeping generalization of ALL college students using the ENTIRE collegiate population as context then he's probably right.

More or less... The problem is that the "young kids" taking naps and watching YouTube all day are rarely motivated to do anything like tri's, and most of us doing triathlon are motivated type-A's who have a bunch of other stuff going on.

Every day I wish I had more time to spend just training. But I'm not about to give up either of my engineering degrees, or the Navy ROTC program, or my social life, or sleep...

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calbear08

Apr 15, 12 22:31

Post #94 of 124 (1700 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [cjathey] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

cjathey wrote:
Right, but do all 12 have the possibility to score in that top 4?

Yes, any of the 12 have the possibility to score in the top 4. Places 5-7 won't score but will displace other team's scoring athletes (just like what would happen with a "normal" team of 7). The advantage to having 12 starters instead of 7 is more chances to place high with the "extras" if some of the higher seeded athletes have bad days.

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brachunok

Apr 16, 12 6:57

Post #95 of 124 (1656 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [ston_ar] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Weather conditions (obviously very inaccurate but still...)
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ston_ar

Apr 16, 12 7:22

Post #96 of 124 (1638 views)
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If that holds, the bike splits are going to be somewhat slower from the wind, but the course, minus the bridge, looks to be fairly well protected. Run splits should be faster as the heat will be less of an issue with full cloud cover/rain. Wet/wind could also lead to a bit more danger on the bike, especially for those that are trying to move up through the field.


reefman77

Apr 16, 12 8:06

Post #97 of 124 (1614 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [ston_ar] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Anyone know when we are suppose to get information on what wave we are in? We are really looking forward to this weekend. First time at nationals for our whole big team of 3.


IYLTRI12

Apr 16, 12 8:55

Post #98 of 124 (1581 views)
Re: Collegiate Nationals 2012 Smacktalk [jonnytri5] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Bitter for the good old days? Say what you will about the undergrads, the grad students who typically win this race work their asses off, and we don't get "real job" weekends.


chris123

Apr 16, 12 10:49

Post #99 of 124 (1521 views)
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Wave start lists have been posted on race website.


tri_scott90

Apr 16, 12 10:56

Post #100 of 124 (1512 views)
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Lot's of competition this year, can't wait to watch this weekend!

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