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Kenney

Mar 5, 12 17:19

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Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [styrrell] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Not if Ras would of had a tt like the year before :o)...What 3-4 falls. Ras got by on great tactics that year, the let him go, he was not even wearing the #1 for his team............................but you knew that.


jackmott

Mar 5, 12 17:20

Post #77 of 180 (2187 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Mat Steinmetz] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Mat you are a true american hero. Are you american? Either way.


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Power13

Mar 5, 12 17:21

Post #78 of 180 (2186 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Carl Spackler] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Carl Spackler wrote:

And here's another top 5 wrinkle: if Contador signs with Movistar, which I don't know why he wouldn't, Valverde could end up as their guy in July.

???

Did Contador get sacked from Saxo?
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Tom A.

Mar 5, 12 17:25

Post #79 of 180 (2179 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Mat Steinmetz] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Interesting...you can lead a horse to water, huh? ;-) I guess my speculations in post #49 of this thread were right.

Perhaps what is needed is for him to talk to someone who's had to go through the process of "adapting" to the new position and saw the results from it...someone who he would potentially respect, like another top pro rider? Got any ideas? I'm trying to think of someone who's transformed their TT'ing ability by changing their position...


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Tom A.

Mar 5, 12 17:26

Post #80 of 180 (2176 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Power13] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Power13 wrote:
Carl Spackler wrote:


And here's another top 5 wrinkle: if Contador signs with Movistar, which I don't know why he wouldn't, Valverde could end up as their guy in July.


???

Did Contador get sacked from Saxo?

Once he was suspended, his contract was null and void...and since Bjarne won't let him eat donuts, I guess he may be looking around ;-)


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DC Pattie

Mar 5, 12 17:26

Post #81 of 180 (2177 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Mat Steinmetz] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Mat Steinmetz wrote:



I've tried working with him a bit, but it doesn't look like much has stuck. I think there are too many cooks in the kitchen on this one and they don't know who to listen to. They've worked on the fit, worked in the Velodrome, worked in the tunnel...but, he doesn't give anything a chance. He consistently reverts back to the Velodrome testing done with SRM. In my opinion, AS doesn't have the patience to try and improve his TTing...just keeps doing the same thing hoping for a different result. The position is so adaptable, but doesn't give it the time. His saddle wasn't as far forward as it could go...he wasn't at UCI extension limits, his arms were really wide (hard to know without wind tunnel data if this is good or bad, but usually, tall skinny dudes are most aero with narrow elbows). It will take someone spending a lot of time with Andy to change this...Not one wind tunnel trip or a bike fit, but someone who will be there daily for a few weeks that he trusts and will give him the confidence to try something different and be there to make modifications along the way.

His position in the bottom left photo *looks* pretty good.


Carl Spackler

Mar 5, 12 17:29

Post #82 of 180 (2171 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Power13] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Yeah, see here. Stokes is legit on reporting.

Contador was also linked to Movistar when that team formed, which makes sense like Cav > Sky. There was also a CyclingNews article citing a report that said he was done with Saxo, which all parties denied. That probably means it's accurate.

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jackmott

Mar 5, 12 17:29

Post #83 of 180 (2171 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Tom A.] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Tony Martin
Craig Alexander
I bet at one point Levi Leipheimer went through something like that.

Tom A. wrote:
Interesting...you can lead a horse to water, huh? ;-) I guess my speculations in post #49 of this thread were right.

Perhaps what is needed is for him to talk to someone who's had to go through the process of "adapting" to the new position and saw the results from it...someone who he would potentially respect, like another top pro rider? Got any ideas? I'm trying to think of someone who's transformed their TT'ing ability by changing their position...


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hillier99

Mar 5, 12 17:29

Post #84 of 180 (2171 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Mat Steinmetz] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Very interesting insight. Thanks for posting.

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Tom A.

Mar 5, 12 17:30

Post #85 of 180 (2168 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [DC Pattie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

DC Pattie wrote:
His position in the bottom left photo *looks* pretty good.


Both pics *look* pretty good...and, do you notice how his shoulders aren't as "dropped" relative to his neck and head as in the Paris-Nice race photos?


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Tom A.

Mar 5, 12 17:43

Post #86 of 180 (2158 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [jackmott] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

jackmott wrote:
Tony Martin
Craig Alexander
I bet at one point Levi Leipheimer went through something like that.

I'm guessing it might have to be a retired euro-pro...I don't think Martin or Leipheimer would want to help ol' Andy out on this front ;-)


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jackmott

Mar 5, 12 17:46

Post #87 of 180 (2154 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Tom A.] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

good point!

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Tom A.

Mar 5, 12 17:48

Post #88 of 180 (2149 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Carl Spackler] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Carl Spackler wrote:
Yeah, see here. Stokes is legit on reporting.

Contador was also linked to Movistar when that team formed, which makes sense like Cav > Sky. There was also a CyclingNews article citing a report that said he was done with Saxo, which all parties denied. That probably means it's accurate.

There's no way Sr. Fingerbang goes back to Saxo unless Bjarne starts allowing the crullers ;-)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/...om-riis-and-saxobank


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devashish_paul

Mar 5, 12 17:59

Post #89 of 180 (2138 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [DC Pattie] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Hey Matt,

How about you ask Andy to go ride Alpe d'huez and record his time.

Then you give Andy a 10 kilo backpack and ask him to ride Alpe d'Huez and record his time.

Then tell him that this is what he is giving away with his position vs the one you showed him.

Quick question, but could he see what he was doing on the road with the position in this picture and did he 'revert' because he felt his navigation/handling was being reduced to the point of potentially giving more in the real world on the quite technical TT's in leTour (thus the other cooks in his kitchen would drive him back to what he was on).

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devashish_paul

Mar 5, 12 18:03

Post #90 of 180 (2130 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [jackmott] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Matt almost put Andy on the Boardman Corima position...the original P3 circa 1993:



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Carl Spackler

Mar 5, 12 18:03

Post #91 of 180 (2129 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Tom A.] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

>.I'm guessing it might have to be a retired euro-pro...


You might look up Johan Bruyneel's background

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jackmott

Mar 5, 12 18:06

Post #92 of 180 (2121 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [devashish_paul] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

that dude must look at the p3 and shivs coming out today and think "took them long enough"


devashish_paul wrote:
Matt almost put Andy on the Boardman Corima position:



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devashish_paul

Mar 5, 12 18:07

Post #93 of 180 (2119 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [jackmott] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Were you reading my mind as I was editing my post calling the Corima the original P3?

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Tom A.

Mar 5, 12 18:07

Post #94 of 180 (2119 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Carl Spackler] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Carl Spackler wrote:
>.I'm guessing it might have to be a retired euro-pro...


You might look up Johan Bruyneel's background

I definitely know he was a top pro...but, in this context, did he transform his TT'ing at some point with a similar positional change? I don't know that...


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jackmott

Mar 5, 12 18:16

Post #95 of 180 (2108 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [devashish_paul] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

devashish_paul wrote:
Were you reading my mind as I was editing my post calling the Corima the original P3?

I was

but I bet if we dig there is a bike somewhere pre-dating the corima with the rear wheel cutout.


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Carl Spackler

Mar 5, 12 18:26

Post #96 of 180 (2102 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Tom A.] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

No, he taught Lance and Contador how to win the TdF with the TT being a huge part of that. As the saying goes, "people don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole."

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jackmott

Mar 5, 12 18:28

Post #97 of 180 (2099 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Carl Spackler] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Carl Spackler wrote:
No, he taught Lance and Contador how to win the TdF with the TT being a huge part of that. As the saying goes, "people don't want to buy a quarter-inch drill. They want a quarter-inch hole."

I think Contador already knew, and Lance did a lot of work with Hed and Cobb on the positioning front.

Bruyneel and Ferrari no doubt helped on the supply side though.

A huge supply of power is always nice.


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Kenney

Mar 5, 12 18:29

Post #98 of 180 (2099 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [Carl Spackler] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Valverde will have to change from using all his energy in the first week


Shoopdawoop

Mar 5, 12 18:36

Post #99 of 180 (2091 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [jackmott] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Quote:
I was
but I bet if we dig there is a bike somewhere pre-dating the corima with the rear wheel cutout.

Look up the LOOK KG 196; thats the first that I know of.
http://www.lookcycle.com/...-cycle/histoire.html


Carl Spackler

Mar 5, 12 18:37

Post #100 of 180 (2089 views)
Re: Wiggins vs. Schleck [jackmott] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

>> think Contador already knew, and Lance did a lot of work with Hed and Cobb on the positioning front.
Contador was always a great TTer but being a super contender for a GT is a different story. But to that point, Lance listened to the experts around him and won as a result

>>Bruyneel and Ferrari no doubt helped on the supply side though.
Jan had plenty of help and was more successful as a pure TTer. So the supply side argument doesn't play

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