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The Real Animal
Sep 16, 10 5:11
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Has anyone put together Di2 through Shimano's new Missile EVO bars?
Would like to know if it's possible, because from my hours of attempts, it seems to me that the junction mold for the bar end shitfter cables and the braker/shifter cable just doesn't have anywhere to go inside the bars and it's marketed as all internal.
It's really messy, like as if the bars and the Di2 were made from two competing companies that didn't want to work together.
jockeys
Sep 16, 10 6:16
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I haven't, but this guy managed it somehow:
http://www.tririg.com/...Craig_Alexander_Ordu
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SuperDave
Sep 16, 10 10:32
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Has anyone put together Di2 through Shimano's new Missile EVO bars?
Would like to know if it's possible, because from my hours of attempts, it seems to me that the junction mold for the bar end shitfter cables and the braker/shifter cable just doesn't have anywhere to go inside the bars and it's marketed as all internal.
It's really messy, like as if the bars and the Di2 were made from two competing companies that didn't want to work together.
Have you seen Tim DeBoom's new set up?
callofthewild
Sep 16, 10 13:47
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No Devox for him at IMH?
The Real Animal
Sep 16, 10 14:24
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I haven't, but this guy managed it somehow:
http://www.tririg.com/...Craig_Alexander_Ordu
nope. thats not the new bars.
The Real Animal
Sep 16, 10 14:25
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Has anyone put together Di2 through Shimano's new Missile EVO bars?
Would like to know if it's possible, because from my hours of attempts, it seems to me that the junction mold for the bar end shitfter cables and the braker/shifter cable just doesn't have anywhere to go inside the bars and it's marketed as all internal.
It's really messy, like as if the bars and the Di2 were made from two competing companies that didn't want to work together.
Have you seen Tim DeBoom's new set up?
nope. will search.
SuperDave
Sep 16, 10 15:19
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No Devox for him at IMH?
Nope, I don't think so. I think the move from SRAM to Shimano meant PRO bars too. I'm not 100% certain.
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JudgeNick
Sep 16, 10 15:39
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I haven't, but this guy managed it somehow:
http://www.tririg.com/...Craig_Alexander_Ordu
nope. thats not the new bars.
Yeah, those are the original Pro Missile bars. Not the new Evo. But Team Columbia was riding the Evo with Di2 all year (albiet on prototype versions of the bars). FWIW, I have heard that the routing is quite difficult. Don't have any more to give you right now, but I'll try to get the skinny next week at Interbike.
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The Real Animal
Sep 17, 10 3:22
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FWIW, I have heard that the routing is quite difficult. Don't have any more to give you right now, but I'll try to get the skinny next week at Interbike.
Difficult!!! Try impossible.
Myself and four other mechanics have come to the conclusion that the current commercially available Di2 group set and PRO Missile EVO aero bars and stem (
As seen here
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It's a real scratch head thing....why????
We've been on the phone to Shimano in our country and no-one there has put it together yet as the bars are new to market - they've referred our problem on to Shimano tech guys at head international office.
I think professional cycling teams have been cutting/splicing and just making things work as required.
There are two problems - the junction where the cable that runs to the bar end shifters and the cable that runs to the brake/shifters has a molded small box around it. This box does not fit inside the stem/bars. Hands out like a pair of bulls testicles. The other problem is, the cable to the bar end shifters just isn't long enough to actually reach if you could (which you can't because of the junction box) get them through the internal path.
On the instructions that came with the bars there is no junction box pictured. But Shimano say there is only one wiring harness that they are aware of.
Will keep people updated and if you do get an update folks let me know.
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The Real Animal
Oct 15, 10 17:48
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Just an update. Shimano still no answer on this.
Wondering if anyone has seen these bars yet, perhaps at Hawaii or anywhere with Di2 fully internally routed as advertised.
I've now had a lot of very knowledgable people look at it and all are convinced that the new Shimano Missile EVO PRO bars and Di2 are simply not compatible - even though the internal wiring of Di2 is marketed as their big selling point.
All I heard back from Shimano is that HTC managed to do it. But the HTC stems were slightly different AND who's to say that HTC mechanics didn't do some cutting/splicing of cables (something I don't think you should have to do).
So far Shimano has FAILED on this one.
All I can mange to do is electrical tape the cables to the underside of the bars. It looks pathetic.
ginsued
Oct 15, 10 18:09
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Can you post photos of the bars and stem and how you have it set up?
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Oct 16, 10 8:01
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Wondering if anyone has seen these bars yet, perhaps at Hawaii or anywhere with Di2 fully internally routed as advertised.
Good news: I saw the Shimano Pro booth at Kona and got a detailed video of the Missile Evo with internal Di2. Bad news, the video files got corrupted.
From what I recall, it wasn't 100% internal, and the cable box was hanging out. But can't that be run through the stem, or be eliminated?
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Oct 16, 10 8:54
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Are the Evo bars available yet?
GMAN19030
Oct 16, 10 9:45
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Which bars are used on the new Scott Plasma 3 TT bike coming out? That's a Di2 only bike.
The Real Animal
Oct 16, 10 20:14
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OK, so see that photo of the scott. that is not what hte Shimano stem is like. On the Shimano stem all cables have to come out of that hole where the front cable is coming out.
Brakes are all internal and sweet.
It's just that there are two small junction boxes (not the box where you adjust derailleurs) where the cable splits for a section to go out to the brake shifters and a section to go out to the extensions. These small junction boxes do not fit inside the bars, and the cables are not long enough for them to be outside and then run the cables through...
I'll have to try and get some photos taken and uploaded.
GMAN19030
Oct 17, 10 5:14
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Maybe it's a Scott proprietary stem. The bars are Shimano Pro Missile though.
Or the stem is the new Shimano Pro stem as seen here with the new bars:
http://www.bikeradar.com/...-stem-from-pro-26009
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Oct 17, 10 7:43
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The Pro Missle Stem at Interbike is a little different from the Scott Missle Stem. The Scott Missle stem is inverted with the bolts on top. The Shimano marketed stem has the bolts on the bottom with a cut out for the cables to exit on the bottom. No cables were on the display, so I could not see how they would route. The Scott stem would be easier to work on from the top. I assume you would have to route everything and then slowly rotate the bar and pull the cable while putting everything into position. You have to talk to a Shimano tech. They had a Missle setup routed at the Di2 Shimano clinic.
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Oct 17, 10 13:55
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This is new Plasma TT frameset pictured with custom Di2 wiring harness. The stem that comes with the Plasma TT is a Scott custom designed stem (Di2 specific). The bar setup that comes with the frameset is the Shimano Pro Missile TT Bar (Di2 specific).
The Real Animal
Oct 19, 10 3:25
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That photo does not show the cables going out to the extensions.
That is the issue.
Have a look at this diagram.
http://tinypic.com/r/9sqt7s/7
The problem is the highlight junction. It simply does not fit internally in the Shimano EVO stem and bar.
This is how the wire it on the older model bars. That junction box is on the outside.
http://tinypic.com/r/14dq4ae/7
The problem is. The new Missile EVO does not have all those holes - it's designed for everything to do inside.
Now, lets say that junction box can actually fit inside the stem, it certainly can't fit inside the aerobars.
But hey, let's say it can fit inside the aerobars, it certainly can't fit inside the extension mounts AND it would have to, because the cable leading to the extension shifters is so short that you couldn't actually internally wire it even if it did fit inside the base bar.
It's just a fail all round from Shimano.
But hey, i've contacted them and they want me to send it all back for them to have a look at..... Because they've not done it themselves (in my country). You would think they would have stock though... I do know I was the first in the country to get the bars, at this rate I am problably going to be the first to return them and ask for a refund.
Thanks for all the input folks
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Oct 19, 10 6:04
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I am also very interested in how I can instal the Di2 into my Scott Plasma TT arriving in January 2011!
Keep me on track!
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The Real Animal
Nov 17, 10 23:20
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Well I've finally got an asnwer.....
There is actually a totally different wiring harness that is specifically used with the Missile EVO bars.
Unfortunately, in my country no-one ordered any, despite ordering the Missile EVO bars..
the next shipment is due January...
but thankfully Shimano are going to import a one off via air freight.
So, buyer beware - when you are purchasing Di2, make sure you get what will work on your bike and bars. There are a lot of different configerations and combinations. Internail, external, combinations of etc...
Cheers.
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Nov 18, 10 5:15
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I was soooo very close at purchasing Pro missile evo bars for my TT as i have a DI2 group I could use. With all the hazzle I think Im quite happy i didnt spend that much money on the missile evo bars.
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Nov 18, 10 6:25
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Don't be affraid to purchase the missile evo bar. The Di2 TRI cables maight not fit but hey, no problem: cut these , make them longer and solder agian. That is what I will do when I get my Scott Plasma TT frameset :-) I think doing this adaptation might be a bit fuzzy, but this you have to do only once. And with the Missile evo in combination with the Di2 you get a real clean cockpit. And for me this is worth to do it :-)))))
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Nov 18, 10 6:49
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Might consider selling my Xentis setup to get missile evo, but atm I really like the comfort and looks of the xentis aero x1. And I dont need to cut and solder my di2
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Nov 18, 10 6:56
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Hopefully I will not have to solder too much ;-)
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