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jeremyb

Feb 11, 10 10:32

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I have the opportunity to have a handlebar made to recreate the Scott 100k bar-----the idea would be an aero or die bar that is less extreme.

Wondering what you all think would be product features to make this bar a little better than the original.

Obvious options include black anodizing, 31.8 or 26.0 clamp diameter, perhaps internal cable routing, other ideas??

Also I would need to commit to 250 bars, which is a lot and I'm unsure I'd ever sell all of them...





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jackmott

Feb 11, 10 10:36

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

don't see much room for improvement. if you went carbon you could shape the bits that stick out to be a bit more aero i guess =)

you could have grooves or holes for internal cabling



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nebmot

Feb 11, 10 10:48

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

You could offer different bends, S/R/J and wrist relief with John Cobb =]





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jeremyb

Feb 11, 10 10:48

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jackmott] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

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don't see much room for improvement. if you went carbon you could shape the bits that stick out to be a bit more aero i guess =)

you could have grooves or holes for internal cabling

Yep that was one of my ideas also.



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jeremyb

Feb 11, 10 10:49

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [nebmot] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Yeah, one way to do this would be to have the extensions separate and you could swap different extensions in as you mentioned.



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Barchettaman

Feb 11, 10 10:50

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

´S´shaped bars are currently more popular than the ´J´ shape of the original. Oops, just seen someone mentioned that already.

I´d buy one. There don´t seem to be any in Europe (or at least on eBay Germany!)

It would be great to have a specific thread for pictures of ´Aod´ and Scott 100k set ups for inspiration. That way they would all be in one place on the site, and AFAICR there have been a number of different and ingenious solutions to the problem of getting shifters, cables and brake levers all on one ´wishbone of death´.

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Mac

Feb 11, 10 11:03

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [Barchettaman] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

a friend had a set of these in the 80's on his "funny bike" --- cool!


Andrew Coggan

Feb 11, 10 11:05

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
I have the opportunity to have a handlebar made to recreate the Scott 100k bar-----the idea would be an aero or die bar that is less extreme.

Wondering what you all think would be product features to make this bar a little better than the original.


I'd vote for having the handgrips closer together - but not as close as they were on the Extremes (or the ultra-rare 100k Extremes). IOW, have just enough space between the extensions to fit the fingers of both hands, with your knuckles touching.


jeremyb

Feb 11, 10 11:08

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [Andrew Coggan] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Here's another idea, that I think would be as good with more adjustability:

A really narrow basebar (the same width (28cm)):





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Andrew Coggan

Feb 11, 10 11:14

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
Here's another idea, that I think would be as good with more adjustability:

A really narrow basebar (the same width (28cm)):



That is similar to the "mini MTB bars" that I used for the Superman position back in the mid 1990s - only difference is that my basebar was straight, w/ DiaCompe 188 brake levers plugged into the ends.


jeremyb

Feb 11, 10 11:15

Post #11 of 78 (8420 views)
Re: Scott 100k's recreated [Andrew Coggan] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
In Reply To:
Here's another idea, that I think would be as good with more adjustability:

A really narrow basebar (the same width (28cm)):



That is similar to the "mini MTB bars" that I used for the Superman position back in the mid 1990s - only difference is that my basebar was straight, w/ DiaCompe 188 brake levers plugged into the ends.

I think with a straight bar though, the bar needs to be wider to get past the elbow pads----also this would have less round bar into the wind.



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Andrew Coggan

Feb 11, 10 11:27

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

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I think with a straight bar though, the bar needs to be wider to get past the elbow pads----also this would have less round bar into the wind.


Not necessarily - my base bar was only ~25 cm wide, i.e., just wide enough for my two hands plus the stem clamp. Obviously it would depend, though, on how the elbow pads were positioned/shaped.


Overdistance

Feb 11, 10 11:28

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I like some of the elements from the Scott Extreme - particularly in the way that the extensions were so close that you could grab both with one hand. However, the wrist relief bends are also appealing. Not sure if both these suggestions could co-exist.


gabbiev

Feb 11, 10 11:35

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
I have the opportunity to have a handlebar made to recreate the Scott 100k bar-----the idea would be an aero or die bar that is less extreme.

Wondering what you all think would be product features to make this bar a little better than the original.

Obvious options include black anodizing, 31.8 or 26.0 clamp diameter, perhaps internal cable routing, other ideas??

Also I would need to commit to 250 bars, which is a lot and I'm unsure I'd ever sell all of them...




These are pretty great bars--but this is coming from someone who currently has them on three different bikes. What I'd like to see are some decent low profile mounts for the pads. I drilled the bars for internal cable routing (they are pretty stout) and they can be tilted/bend to achieve different hand positions. They are solid--no extensions to slip, etc.

The perfect aerobar, at least for me--and I like them even better than Hooker's one piece bars.

Keep the aluminum and I'll buy some sets!


Barchettaman

Feb 11, 10 11:50

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [gabbiev] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Gabbie, can you post some more pictures of your various Scott setups, if you have a moment?
Cheers
Simon

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stephenj

Feb 11, 10 12:09

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [Andrew Coggan] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Hey Andrew,

Im not sure if you will be able to set me straight, but for some reason I remember that there was testing done on both the 100k and the scott extremes (I went through two sets of these), and the drag numbers were worse than the base-bar/aero bar combo. I took it as a surprise at the time, as I thought that they 'looked' the fastest. My recollection was that the testing was done pre-slowtwitch, and appeared on RST a bunch of years ago (maybe back around 2000ish). Am I remembering this completely wrong? This was the main reason that I abandoned the extremes and went to a vision tech base bar/ clipon (well that, and I got a set of vision techs for near nothing).

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DarkSpeedWorks

Feb 11, 10 12:26

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I think your short basebar idea is good, but you can combine that idea with your scott bar idea. For one, you can have a lot more leeway in how tight you make the various bends of the re-born scott bar, i.e., you can make the bends a lot tighter, as extreme as the alloy tubing will withstand. The reason the scott 100k bar had such gentle bends was not for reasons of ergonomics, or fit, or aerodynamics, it was so that users could get a 'closed' clamp stem on to the bars. Since now 99% of stems have completely 'open' clamps, you can go crazy and make a bar that is 100% functional.


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gabbiev

Feb 11, 10 12:50

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [Barchettaman] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

In Reply To:
Gabbie, can you post some more pictures of your various Scott setups, if you have a moment?
Cheers
Simon

Will do this weekend!


BMANX

Feb 11, 10 13:09

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [Andrew Coggan] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Andrew,

That is exactly what I am going to do with my Profile Stoker bars I just bought. Cut the bars down just about the same width as pictured below but only with a straight bar and plug my Tektro carbon levers in the end facing forwards. This will give me a bit of a hand hold holding onto the ends and when I really need to brake, I can flip up the pads and have access to my brakes.

I will try to pair this with maybe a HED 3rd brake lever up on the bars to have the ability to scrub a bit of speed when needed.


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In Reply To:
Here's another idea, that I think would be as good with more adjustability:

A really narrow basebar (the same width (28cm)):



That is similar to the "mini MTB bars" that I used for the Superman position back in the mid 1990s - only difference is that my basebar was straight, w/ DiaCompe 188 brake levers plugged into the ends.



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Bio_McGeek

Feb 11, 10 13:22

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Don't mess with perfection! I'd buy a pair of reproductions.

Cheers,

Jim


BMANX

Feb 11, 10 13:25

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

I like the idea of these bars maybe having tighter bends and having the extensions just close enough to mount a Garmin/Powermeter right between the extensions. Maybe with a tighter bend you can have the extensions more straight from the last bend forward. More straight as well instead of them sort of angling in.

I think the more pictures we can see of current set ups the better.

What are the thoughts on maybe finding a happy medium between standard and AoD set ups.



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Record10Carbon

Feb 11, 10 13:49

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [jeremyb] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

Um...you had better make sure that some patent lawyers are not watching this thread....


26.0 please, no internal cables - that is why we have bar tape, and you dont want to mess with the machining and chamfer needed to get the tube set for aero shifters

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Record10Carbon

Feb 11, 10 13:54

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [stephen J] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

You are right, I also remember that (Was it in Winning?)

If I recall, the Blackbird (vapor ware), the CarbonX and a few others were much better off "With Rider". BUT, they also had period "Fish hook" style brake levers (standard road levers pointing forward) and Quill stems on non-IS bikes. It was more of a now - vs - then rather than a head to head equal comparo. I also cant remember if it was a 100k or the DH bar.

What I think is missing from this as well as the Retro thread is the best shifting system EVER for aero bars - GRIP SHIFT!

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Tom A.

Feb 11, 10 14:06

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [gabbiev] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

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These are pretty great bars--but this is coming from someone who currently has them on three different bikes. What I'd like to see are some decent low profile mounts for the pads.

Have you tried the CeeGees mounts? About the only thing I don't like about them is I wish I could move them outboard just slightly...since they clamp on the straight part of the bar they end up fairly narrow. Although, I do have to say I've gotten used to my elbows being in so close. But, I'm sure others might not like them that narrow...

I agree on bringing the "handgrip" portions in closer together...also, maybe the "loops" could have a short straight section in the middle of them (running fore-aft)?

A very low profile brake lever made specifically for that bar that could be mounted on the outer portions of the "loops" pointing down would be a nice addition as well.

Actually...this all gave me an alternate idea :-)



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jeremyb

Feb 11, 10 14:10

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Re: Scott 100k's recreated [R10C] [In reply to] Quote | Reply

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Um...you had better make sure that some patent lawyers are not watching this thread....

Not sure that's an issue.

WTB Dirt Drop bars were selling for upwards of $150 a set on eBay.



Then On One recreated them and sells them for $50 retail.



They made a few small changes to the bar so it wasnt identical, but it was. Not really sure how a set of bends in a bar can be patented. If I change a few things about them, seems like it would be fine.



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