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Mr. Tibbs
Sep 29, 04 9:44
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [slowguy]
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So to bring things that are not his fault is fair because he is beating you? Odd.
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Mr. Tibbs
Sep 29, 04 9:47
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [TTTorso]
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"When do we put more focus on our own borders?"
We don't. Political third rail. Touch the border and you die.
"Where do you draw the line in our attempt to defend ourselves?"
Where ever we feel the line needs to be drawn. That is what elections are for not the feeling of other countries.
"How many countries who aren't linked to terrorism do we attack before enough is enough? "
How many have we attacked so far?
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slowguy
Sep 29, 04 9:49
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs]
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"So to bring things that are not his fault is fair because he is beating you? Odd. "
How the Hell is he beating ME? The GOPs platform is that they are doign a great job and Sen Kerry will allow us to be attacked again and will take this country to ruin. Offering evidence that the country's not doing that well now isn't odd, it's responsible. Open your eyes wide enough to see more than one side of the issues. We're not just voting for a President. We're voting for another 4 years of Republican led policy in the White House. Things that aren't specifically Pres. Bush's fault are relevant.
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Mr. Tibbs
Sep 29, 04 10:00
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [slowguy]
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Aren't you running for president? Isn't the Bush-Slowguy debate?
So 9-11, the resision and the hurricanes are Bush's fault?
As far as both sides I will declare bullshit if Kerry is blamed for something out of his control.
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peter826
Sep 29, 04 10:04
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [slowguy]
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How the Hell is he beating ME? The GOPs platform is that they are doign a great job and Sen Kerry will allow us to be attacked again and will take this country to ruin. Offering evidence that the country's not doing that well now isn't odd, it's responsible. Open your eyes wide enough to see more than one side of the issues. We're not just voting for a President. We're voting for another 4 years of Republican led policy in the White House. Things that aren't specifically Pres. Bush's fault are relevant.
Well, at least the Republicans can't blame the democrats for whatever has happened the past couple of years, after all, they have control of the house of representatives, senate, and presidency!
slowguy
Sep 29, 04 10:27
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs]
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"So 9-11, the resision and the hurricanes are Bush's fault? "
As usual you just ignore large portions of other people's posts. I specifically said that not everything was his fault. I also specifically said that we're not just deciding on Bush or not-Bush but on whether or not we want the same GOP led White House setting policy for the country.
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PeckerHead
Sep 29, 04 10:57
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs]
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-- So why bring them up if they weren't his fault? Maybe it is because you do blame him and do think those are reasons he should not be reelected. Come on step and defend what you really feel. I do and only half the form hates me. :-p
I will vote for Kerry based more on what I have seen from Bush than what I know about Kerry. I don't know everything there is to know about John Kerry and the main criticism of him is this flip flopping BS (which you could say about every politician). What politician hasn't flip flopped!?
I think nearly everyone is in agreement that we can do better, in some areas like the environment we can do MUCH better. Can we also do much worse than Bush, that is for you to decide. For me, the answer is no. I don't think you'd find many people saying that Kerry is anyone's dream candidate, but in this information age, there is never going to be a dream candidate because they are going to be ripped to shreds and all of the skeletons in their closet exposed.
That is how I really feel, like it or not. I don't see a reason to go into any more detail as the details aren't needed here. They can all be disputed depending on what side of the fence you fall on. To me an empty suit holds more promise than a suit full of shite.
Tri N OC
Sep 29, 04 11:35
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [TTTorso]
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Good for you!!!!!! You are to be congratulated for saying what many Kerry supporters refuse to say: I don't care about anything related to Kerry, I am voting against Bush.
The trouble with it is that not enough people will jump off that particular cliff to make a difference.
My election prediction: It won't even be close. Bush wins.
Does Bush have flaws? Certainly. Why choose him over Kerry? Because Bush will make decisions based on his belief system. Agree with it or not, that is a better approach than Kerry has articulated to this point.
ajfranke
Sep 29, 04 11:44
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [peleke]
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I really don't know why you would say that Kerry didn't get to be hated by the rest of the world. Have you ever heard about his "Coalition of the bribed and the coerced"? Presumably that discribes Great Britian, Italy, Spain, Poland, Italy and Australia among others. If there were an A list of countries I would not want to insult, there is the list.
What about his terrible shot at Allawi this week, when he basically called him a liar and Joe Lockhart called him a puppet? I guess you need to add him to the A list as well.
I just don't see how he will do better. It seems like he will do far worse. The same Europeans who prefer Kerry, by and large also oppose a strong United States. Most of the reporting of that worldwide poll a couple weeks ago didn't both to mention that correlation.
Mike Lamb
Sep 29, 04 13:17
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [slowguy]
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i repeat: i don't understand how anyone other than social conservatives and hawks can vote for bush. he's gone in the opposite direction of a couple core tenets of the republican party with the large amount of spending during his tenure and the growth of the federal gov't. i'd think social liberals, the scientific establishment, fiscal conservatives, anti-war protesters, isolationists, small gov't repubs, etc. would be standing arm in arm to get bush out of office.
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Mike Lamb
Sep 29, 04 13:19
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [slowguy]
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The GOPs platform is that they are doign a great job and Sen Kerry will allow us to be attacked again and will take this country to ruin
and don't forget that cheney implied it would be the voters' fault that we are attacked should kerry be elected...
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Brian.
Sep 29, 04 13:29
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [mclamb6]
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Mcclamb: Have you caught the latest? Good news for Bush in three new polls President has solid leads over challenger Kerry MSNBC Updated: 4:34 p.m. ET Sept. 28, 2004
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6122850/
Mr. Tibbs
Sep 29, 04 13:34
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [mclamb6]
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Don't forget that Kennedy said we are open for nuclear attack if Bush wins.
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Brian.
Sep 29, 04 13:40
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs]
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Kennedy...a drunken idiot.
Mike Lamb
Sep 29, 04 13:42
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i am fully aware that he is leading in the polls, although it's still a close race. i just don't understand where is base is coming from at this point.
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Mr. Tibbs
Sep 29, 04 15:28
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [mclamb6]
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Bush's base has one major concern which is national security. They believe he has done a good job at it and feel that Kerry can not do a better or could even do a worse job at protecting the US. So the fool you know is better than the fool you don't. Like I have said this election is a report on the current weakness of the Democrat party. Everyone has their heads in the clouds and allowed blind hate of Bush to over come a good attack against Bush.
No one the Democrats can blame but themselves.
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goobie
Sep 29, 04 15:38
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs]
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I'm not disagreeing, just fascinated as to how this has happened. Are there really that many sheep that think national security is the major concern?
The media in this country are something to behold - money trumps integrity everytime.
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PeckerHead
Sep 29, 04 15:58
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [Mr. Tibbs]
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-- Like I have said this election is a report on the current weakness of the Democrat party. Everyone has their heads in the clouds and allowed blind hate of Bush to over come a good attack against Bush.
I think the Dems underestimated the loyalty that a fearful country has to a leader in the time of crisis. If Bush is re-elected, Bin Laden should be caught and held accountable!
Like our attack on Iraq, this is looking like another gift to Bin Laden and his cause.
5280
Sep 30, 04 9:36
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [goobie]
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really that many sheep that think national security is the major concern?
goobie, come on, you can't really be saying that you don't think it is a major concern are you? All the polls show that most people count this as a top concern. Do you think it isn't because you are resigned to the fact we will take another hit or because you live in dream world where we will not be hit again? Even if you discount Al Queda (at your own peril) do you not consider other threats on the horizon to be a major concern? Are you aware that many in the know are are as concerned and convinced we are on the verge of another attack as any time since 9/11? I am sure you are safe where you live thought;)
I know that you want to spend all our time and energy focused on the issues here at home, some of which are important and need to be discussed, but how will the stack up when we are counting bodies again? I will check in with you then to find out how those issues rank.
I just don't understand how there are people like you who don't see national security as a major concern. Serious question for you though. Do you read about the increased activity of probing by Al Queda, the threats of Iran and NK and you just don't think they are serious or do you ignore them and hope they will work themselves out?
slowguy
Sep 30, 04 9:42
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [goobie]
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"Are there really that many sheep that think national security is the major concern? "
National security is THE primary concern. Without it, the rest doesn't mean dick. Also, it is one of the few reponsibilities of the Govt. specifically set out in the Constitution. Nothing in there about cancer research or educating your kids or ensuring medicare. Obviously those issues, and many other domestic and international ones deserve attention, but none of them make a damn bit of difference if we can't provide security for the country.
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Jar Jar
Sep 30, 04 9:50
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Sep 30, 04 9:53
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [peleke]
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"Well, they didn't know about cancer when they wrote the damned thing, did they.... But I know what you mean (and you know we disagree on that ;)"
Yes we do disagree, but all you have to do is look at the countries that can't provide security for their citizens and see what kind of cancer research program they have.
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Jar Jar
Sep 30, 04 10:02
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Sep 30, 04 10:06
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peleke, thank you for the work you do. I am counting on you and your fellow researchers to find the solutions to challenges like cancer. I know you guys can do it. I, like probably everyone else here, has been touched in my family by cancer and other horrible things like alzhiemers and I am nothing but supportive for what you do. It is a super important job that touches us all at one level or another.
The difference is that diseases, while they inflict horrible consequences including death, don't hunt people down with vengance. They don't target people for their beliefs or because they live in a certain country. I don't disagree you have an important fight to wage but the enemy is different.
My opinion is that if our government used the money it had wisely without pissing so much of it away you would have plenty of $ to do what you need to do and for our security as a nation but sadly that isn't the case. Here is an article that I just stumbled on today about the DOD travel system which was an attempt to save money (great intention) but has cost an extra $270 million than was anticipated. How much research could you do with $270 million:)
http://www.cagw.org/...pagename=reports_dts
Mr. Tibbs
Sep 30, 04 10:08
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Re: Please vote for Kerry -- the (only) one good reason [goobie]
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"Are there really that many sheep that think national security is the major concern? "
Yes, because it is.
But I still throw it back at the Dems. Why can they not throw a good JFK Dem that could rule with a golden whip. The nation is primed for the leftist to take over but you guys keep falling over your own hate.
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